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[quote=FRPLG;924032]The fact we're debating this is baffling to me. This guy is not an elite prospect. He may have been a good college player somewhat and have some upside but why the hell does that mean we should use another pick on him? He really isn't a better option than most of what we already have and there are obvious risks.[/quote]

People love them some WRs

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[quote=The Dull Roar;924022][url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82a6b6b7/article/josh-gordon-reportedly-wont-fall-past-third-round]Josh Gordon reportedly won't fall past third round - NFL.com[/url]


What do you guys think of this? The only two teams in the east I could see taking him are us (hopefully not; especially not for a 3rd rounder) and Dallas.[/quote]

Read the article, don't understand why the author dismisses the Eagles as a speculative NFC suitor for Gordon.

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I guess the Skins have to consider the draft picks they won't have in 2013 as well. Maybe snaggng Gordon in the supplemental draft gives them better value; a player more likely to start as suppose to just praticing and playing teams. Character issues are always a concern but, I won't dissapointed whichever way the team decides to go.

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I think our sub-par WR production over the last X years has a lot to do with our poorish QB performance. Let's see what RGIII can do with what reasonably looks like at least a decent corp or WRs that we already have. Good QB performance can make average WRs look like all-pros. Protect the QB to give him time to work through progressions and there will be an open WR somewhere. Make the throw and magically that WR is better already. And it didn't cost us a draft pick.

What everyone forgets is that the draft pick can be used on a position next year that we actually need to really improve. Not on a position that we already put resources into and have yet to even see on the field whether that has paid off.

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I'm only convinced we have 3 WR on the roster who will be on the team past this season (Hankerson, Garçon and Morgan) so no harm in scouting him. The question will be if we draft and develop him will he be ready to be an impact player in 2013, which is when his draft pick will impact us. Will he be better than Moss, Armstrong or Robinson in 2013 and most importantly, is he past his character issues?

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[quote=Paintrain;924098]I'm only convinced we have 3 WR on the roster who will be on the team past this season (Hankerson, Garçon and Morgan) so no harm in scouting him. The question will be if we draft and develop him will he be ready to be an impact player in 2013, which is when his draft pick will impact us. Will he be better than Moss, Armstrong or Robinson in 2013 and most importantly, is he past his character issues?[/quote]I don't like the idea of spending anything higher then a 5th round pick on a future draft pick (from an already thin pool of picks) for a player that is not counted on to make an immediate impact.

Nevermind that he's a marginal productive player with a checkered personal history.

Drafting another WR adds to and further confuses/limits an already crowded glut of receivers with an as yet unquantified ability level based on playing time.
And imo you cannot make a personnel decision about a player until you have somewhat of a quantified evaluation of their ability level.

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[quote=Mattyk;924026]I'd guess Dallas is definitely the team[/quote]

Hopefully, a 2nd-round pick lost for this guy would be great for them.

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[quote=Paintrain;924098]I'm only convinced we have 3 WR on the roster who will be on the team past this season (Hankerson, Garçon and Morgan) so no harm in scouting him. The question will be if we draft and develop him will he be ready to be an impact player in 2013, which is when his draft pick will impact us. Will he be better than Moss, Armstrong or Robinson in 2013 and most importantly, is he past his character issues?[/quote]


Yeah exactly. While we may have a logjam at WR, its a logjam of mediocre WR's and those who have yet to prove much, save Moss.

I am against adding Josh Gordon for anything lower than a 5th round pick (maybe a 4th if RGiii vouches for him). But in terms of our WR core i dont think adding him will jam anything up.

"Locks":

Moss
Garcon
Morgan

Then:
Hankerson (probably a lock, i just want more than one game from him before i treat him like hes totally awesome)
Terrence Austin
AA
Aldrick Robinson
Others

So unless you think Terrence Austin, AA or Robinson is a better prospect theres no harm in going after Gordon with a late round pick. If we keep 6 WRs it wont be too hard finding space for him.

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[quote=30gut;924101]I don't like the idea of spending anything higher then a 5th round pick on a future draft pick (from an already thin pool of picks) for a player that is not counted on to make an immediate impact.

Nevermind that he's a marginal productive player with a checkered personal history.

Drafting another WR adds to and further confuses/limits an already crowded glut of receivers with an as yet unquantified ability level based on playing time.
And imo you cannot make a personnel decision about a player until you have somewhat of a quantified evaluation of their ability level.[/quote]

I'm not really for or against drafting him but I think we owe it to ourselves to at a minimum evaluate him. If we pick him, it's for 2013 and beyond. At this point after missing a year of college football and missing all offseason work, he's nothing more than the 53rd man on the roster and the #6 receiver.

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[quote=FRPLG;924086]I think our sub-par WR production over the last X years has a lot to do with our poorish QB performance. Let's see what RGIII can do with what reasonably looks like at least a decent corp or WRs that we already have. Good QB performance can make average WRs look like all-pros. Protect the QB to give him time to work through progressions and there will be an open WR somewhere. Make the throw and magically that WR is better already. And it didn't cost us a draft pick.

What everyone forgets is that the draft pick can be used on a position next year that we actually need to really improve. Not on a position that we already put resources into and have yet to even see on the field whether that has paid off.[/quote]

No doubt QB play has held us back. Griffin can do things we just haven't seen over the last several years i.e. fire a laser rolling out either direction etc. However, we haven't provided him w/ very good WR targets for the endzone. Moss is a little guy, though has a knack for finding open spaces in the endzone. Garcon, from all the video I can find, struggles to find open space whether it's underneath the defense, redzone or endzone. Garcon, up to this point at least, has to "beat" the defender with a quick slant or in a footrace to gain big yards. Morgan and Hankerson are total question marks regarding redzone/endzone situations.

Short of adding a big target WR I think we'll see most touchdowns come from TEs and RBs. Something akin to the Patriots last year (hopefully). Regardless, it would be awesome to get Griffin a big WR target in the next couple/few years.

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[quote=Paintrain;924113]I'm not really for or against drafting him but I think we owe it to ourselves to at a minimum evaluate him. If we pick him, it's for 2013 and beyond. At this point after missing a year of college football and missing all offseason work, he's nothing more than the 53rd man on the roster and the #6 receiver.[/quote]And that's why it all depends on what round your talking about for me.
Imo this team cannot afford to spend anything more then a 5th or later on the 53rd man/6th WR.

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First of all I dont think this kid is as bad a guy as everyone seems to think. Yes, he smoked some bud in college and got caught and booted off the team. Then after he transfered to Utah who, "did their homework and thought he deserved another chance" was suspended for the year due to transefer rules not unlike what happened to LeRibeus. Im willing to bet 95% of the people on the site have smoked some weed and probably in college. Yes, I understand he had higher stakes than most of us but im not gonna condem a kid for being a kid. I also think that coming here with RG3 tellin him that he put his name on the line and to keep it clean, not to mention guys like Davis and Williams who I truely think have learned from their mistakes will mentor him with experience from past mistakes. Just sayin, I think he deserves a look.

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TheSidelineView.com reports the Eagles are attending Baylor WR Josh Gordon's Tuesday Pro Day.
Gordon has drawn a big crowd, but the only teams confirmed to be in attendance are the Cowboys, Eagles, Bills and Browns. Gordon is listed at 6-foot-4, 225 pounds, but The Sideline View's Adam Caplan reports he's likely to be measured at 6-foot-3. He's expected to be timed in the 4.4s in the 40-yard dash.

Source: Adam Caplan on Twitter Jul 10 - 11:03 AM

The Philadelphia Eagles, Cleveland Browns, Buffalo Bills, and Dallas Cowboys were among the teams confirmed to have attended. Obviously, there were Texans officials on hand, too. In all, 21 teams showed up.

[B][SIZE="3"][COLOR="Sienna"]Caplan reports that Gordon ran a 4.52 forty-yard dash after measuring in at 6-foot-3 1/8 and 224 pounds. Gordon recorded a 36-inch vertical leap with a 10-foot, 1-inch broad jump. He did 13 reps on the bench.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B]

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/10/supplemental-prospect-gordon-runs-4-52-forty-at-pro-day/]Supplemental draft prospect Gordon runs 4.52 forty at Pro Day | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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I think I heard he ran a 4.5 today

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As for using a pick in the supplemental on him? I absolutly agree a 3rd is way too rich for my blood and was hoping to use a 5th or 6th. That being said, the supplemental draft is always overhyped and teams throw out rumors to get other teams to either reach with a higher pick than needed or cross them off their board altogether. I would not be surprised if he falls to at least the 4th. I also wonder why everyone here and elsewhere was mocking a WR to us before the draft and now we are "set"? What has changed? Moss lost wieght and is looking good? Also, if we do use a bargain pick on him this year he will get very little playing time and mostly be developing. Which in turn would put him a year ahead of any reciever we draft in 2013. Therefor speeding up the development and talent of our WR overall by 2014.

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PFT says 21 teams showed up for the workout. Anyone have a clue which teams those were - did the Skins show up is what I'm really asking...

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[quote=mbedner3420;924127]PFT says 21 teams showed up for the workout. Anyone have a clue which teams those were - did the Skins show up is what I'm really asking...[/quote]

Yes they were there, also....Gordon's QB today was JEVAN SNEAD!!!!!!!

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[quote=SmootSmack;924129]Yes they were there, also....Gordon's QB today was JEVAN SNEAD!!!!!!![/quote]

Obviously the Shanahans were there to scout Snead.

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[quote=SmootSmack;924129]Yes they were there, also....Gordon's QB today was JEVAN SNEAD!!!!!!![/quote]

Did he get with anyone else after Tampa Bay released him? In league?

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[quote=Lotus;924132]Obviously the Shanahans were there to scout Snead.[/quote]

Decent plan.

Cut Rex. Promote Cousins to backup. Put Snead on PS.










Then we take the cap savings from losing Grossman to coax Randel El out of retirement to return kicks.

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Hogs Haven is putting out an interview with RG3 this afternoon and Kevin, the co-editor and interviewer, hints that RG3's opinion of Gordon was less than glowing...

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[url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2012/7/10/3148913/interview-catching-up-with-rgiii-where-he-is-with-the-redskins-offense#storyjump]Interview: Catching Up with RGIII & Where He is With the Redskins Offense - Hogs Haven[/url]

Interesting interview... Last three questions are related to Gordon.

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Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora
RG3 is pushing the Redskins brass hard to land Gordon in tomorrow's draft. Many teams interested, about 20 at Gordon's pro day Tues...

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[quote=CultBrennan59;924235]Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora
RG3 is pushing the Redskins brass hard to land Gordon in tomorrow's draft. Many teams interested, about 20 at Gordon's pro day Tues...[/quote]

RG3 vouching for Gordon is interesting. Maybe he is worth a 5th...?

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I've heard rumors that Hankerson isn't healing quite like he was expected to... Maybe we do draft Gordon.

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I really haven't been paying much attention to any inside info the past several weeks...but I suspect a) we wouldn't spend more than a 4th on this guy and b) this is more about acting interested to get someone like say the Cowboys to drop a 2nd round pick on this guy

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[quote=SmootSmack;924248]I really haven't been paying much attention to any inside info the past several weeks...but I suspect a) we wouldn't spend more than a 4th on this guy and b) this is more about acting interested to get someone like say the Cowboys to drop a 2nd round pick on this guy[/quote]


This is partly why i like the guy (not necessarily the guy but the situation he may cause). I think hes worth taking a 5th round chance on without much thought, and it wouldnt kill me if we put in a 4th round bid. Since we pick 6th it forces everyone in our division to pick a whole round ealier if they really want him. Hes a complete gamble, but id rather Dal or someone be forced to gamble a 3rd round pick on him than a 4th.

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I really don't think we're all that serious about adding him....and interesting sig you've got there

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[quote=SmootSmack;924258]I really don't think we're all that serious about adding him....and interesting sig you've got there[/quote]

Is that not the same thing you said right before we traded for RG3? Answer that one! :)

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[quote=mbedner3420;924261]Is that not the same thing you said right before we traded for RG3? Answer that one! :)[/quote]

LOL yeah they were more serious about that one than I thought. Got that one wrong for sure

But hey, I did say they were very serious about Kirk Cousins after seeing him at the Senior Bowl

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i would really like to hear what Griff says about the kid, but i honestly think we have a sleeper at wr in Lance Lewis on the roster already

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[quote=SmootSmack;924262]LOL yeah they were more serious about that one than I thought. Got that one wrong for sure

But hey, I did say they were very serious about Kirk Cousins after seeing him at the Senior Bowl[/quote]

Hahaha. I don't doubt you are right about Gordon. I just don't see them actually getting him, either. But I heard someone mentioned that Hankerson wasn't healing right and may not be up to speed this season, so it has me wondering...

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Last I heard about Hankerson was that he should be 100% for training camp and that they were just bringing him along slowly in minicamps. Has there been any news to the contrary?

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It might not be a reliable source, but someone on Hogs Haven said this:

[QUOTE]Well WR is a definitely a need.
Long story short from a DR buddy in N. VA, Hanks labrum hasn’t healed properly and there is concerns that he may never be “right”. So I’m not expecting anything from him this year. He also told me some Cooley stuff that I wish I could share but I’m afraid of a Rodskin’s type of incident.

@Callahan_9 on the twitter machine.
by Diesel44 on Jul 10, 2012 10:37 AM PDT reply actions [/QUOTE]

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[quote=CultBrennan59;924235]Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora
RG3 is pushing the Redskins brass hard to land Gordon in tomorrow's draft. Many teams interested, about 20 at Gordon's pro day Tues...[/quote]

So based on JLC's track record, we probably have zero interest in Gordon.

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[quote=Paintrain;924272]So based on JLC's track record, we probably have zero interest in Gordon.[/quote]

hahahaha I was waiting for someone to say that.


Yeah the funny thing I'll always remember about JLac is that he always broke the latest big news the last. And the news he broke was always the "huh?" reaction news from the fans. Example:

Jlac: The Minnesota Vikings have announced that they have signed CFL Defensive player of the year Solomian Eliminian.


Fans: Huh? Who?

----

Jay glazer: the redskins will be trading 3 first round picks to the st. louis rams for the #2 pick and RG3.

Adam Schefter, Rob Rang, Peter King, John Theismann, RG3, every skins fan: Redskins have traded for robert griffin...

JLac, 2 days later: My sources are saying that the redskins will trade for robert griffin...

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[quote=SmootSmack;924258]I really don't think we're all that serious about adding him....and interesting sig you've got there[/quote]


I was wrong about picking 6th, but in this instance it doesnt make a difference for us as well still pick before Dal, Phil, and NYG.

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/11/before-the-supplemental-draft-the-nfl-has-its-own-draft-lottery/]Before the supplemental draft, the NFL has its own draft lottery | ProFootballTalk[/url]


Thanks for noticing! No affiliation. I just love current events.

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[quote=Bubba305-ST21-;924265]i would really like to hear what Griff says about the kid, but i honestly think we have a sleeper at wr in Lance Lewis on the roster already[/quote]


Someone posted a link to an interview where 3 questions (not question 3) were asked to Griffen about Gordon.

Griffen's answears were all positive but not overly positive like you might expect from a young rookie who wants to add a former teammate. Griffen is in a tough spot and spoke like a leader should by not alienating anyone yet staying positive. It seems its tough to get a good read out of a good QB regarding their personal feelings on team "operations" type stuff. But im sure behind closed doors the FO is well aware of what Griff thinks about Gordon.

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we dont have the luxury to use a pick on this guy

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/11/report-robert-griffin-iii-pushing-redskins-to-take-josh-gordon/]Report: Robert Griffin III pushing Redskins to take Josh Gordon | ProFootballTalk[/url] blah blah blah