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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;925873]Are these assuming someone other than Griffin is throwing passes at some point? Otherwise, the mathz don't seem right.[/quote]

Nope, just guessing. I did math with TD's but forgot math with receiving yards. Given your helpful comment, I would shave 75-100 yards from everyone I listed and then things work out better.

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Never good at stats predictions but

RG3-22 TDs 13 INTs (4 of the TDs will be rushing TDs)

Leading Rusher (carries): Hightower

Leading Rusher (yards): Royster

Leading Rusher (TDs): Royster

Leading Receiver (receptions): Fred Davis/Garcon (tied)

Leading Receiver (yards): Hankerson

Leading Receiver (TDs): Hankerson

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[quote=Lotus;925874]Passing yards because Gryphon is a rookie.

As far as the "paradigm shift," I don't see it that way as much as I am just accounting for the fact that Griff will add yards on the ground that Wrecks/Beck did not.[/quote]Gotcha, I keep forgeting to factor in Griffin's rush yards.

I thought you meant 2200 from the running backs a[I]lone[/I] and then looking at your passing yards total of 2,850 yards got me thinking.
This offense has averaged 598 passing attempts the past 2 seasons.
The only way I can see Griff's passing yards total under 3,000 yards is a drastic decrease in passing attempts.
3,000 @ 7.0 YPA = 428 passing attempts which would be a 169 attempts decrease; hence my thinking paradigm shift.

If Kyle avg 598 avg. passing attempts w/ McNabb (A QB he didn't get along with) and Rex/Becks (2 QBs that can't play) then even though Griff is a rook, I can't imagine the passing attempts would drop that much.
Griffin will be the most talented QB Kyle's ever had.

And yes, I'm proly over thinking it.

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[quote=30gut;925884]Gotcha, I keep forgeting to factor in Griffin's rush yards.

I thought you meant 2200 from the running backs a[I]lone[/I] and then looking at your passing yards total of 2,850 yards got me thinking.
This offense has averaged 598 passing attempts the past 2 seasons.
The only way I can see Griff's passing yards total under 3,000 yards is a drastic decrease in passing attempts.
3,000 @ 7.0 YPA = 428 passing attempts which would be a 169 attempts decrease; hence my thinking paradigm shift.

If Kyle avg 598 avg. passing attempts w/ McNabb (A QB he didn't get along with) and Rex/Becks (2 QBs that can't play) then even though Griff is a rook, I can't imagine the passing attempts would drop that much.
Griffin will be the most talented QB Kyle's ever had.

And yes, I'm proly over thinking it.[/quote]

To me you are not overthinking it. I'm with you - I don't see passing attempts decreasing with a Heisman winner under center. And maybe you are right and I am conservative regarding 10's passing yards. It is hard to know what a rookie will do when he has not yet taken an NFL snap in public.

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The Redskins were ranked 16th in offense in the NFL last year. With the brand new additions on offense, I expect that ranking to improve greatly in 2012. Can they do any worse than we they did last year? No, they can't. But expect to see more improvement. If the Redskins can somehow, someway, move into top ten in the NFL in total offense, then expect them to be a playoff team. Let's not forget too that the defense, which is coming off a solid year in 2011, will be even more improved also.

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I can see Griffin throwing for 3200-3500 yards, 18 TDs, 12 INTs, and adding another 400-600 yards on the ground and another 4-6 rushing TDs.

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[quote=SmootSmack;925878]Never good at stats predictions but

RG3-22 TDs 13 INTs (4 of the TDs will be rushing TDs)

Leading Rusher (carries): Hightower

Leading Rusher (yards): Royster

Leading Rusher (TDs): Royster

Leading Receiver (receptions): Fred Davis/Garcon (tied)

Leading Receiver (yards): Hankerson

Leading Receiver (TDs): Hankerson[/quote]

Using your template,

RG3 - 20 TD 11 Ints, 3 rushing TDs

Leading Rusher (yards and carries)- Royster

Leading Rushing TD- Hightower

Leading Receiver (recept and yards) - Garcon

Leading Receiver (TDs): Davis

Best O-Lineman: Silverblunt

Best Offensive Rookie not named RG3: Tom Compton

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;925893]The Redskins were ranked 16th in offense in the NFL last year. With the brand new additions on offense, I expect that ranking to improve greatly in 2012. Can they do any worse than we they did last year? No, they can't. But expect to see more improvement. If the Redskins can somehow, someway, move into top ten in the NFL in total offense, then expect them to be a playoff team. Let's not forget too that the defense, which is coming off a solid year in 2011, will be even more improved also.[/quote]I think raw yards is poor way to measure the quality of an offense or defense but I agree that there only direction for the offense to go is up.

The offense was ranked 16th in total yards which is mostly based on being ranked 14th in passing yards but keep in mind they passed had the 5th most passing attempts in the NFL the other top 5 teams in passing attempts were also top 5 in passing yards.
Thus our passing attack is remarkably inefficient and non-productive.
More importantly the offense was [B][I]26th[/I][/B] in scoring with [B][I]18[/I][/B] pt a game.

Off topic: the focus on yards as a metric for evaluating an offense or defense is a common misconception that leads people to think the Patroits had the worst defense in the NFL when they tied for 3rd in turnovers and 15th in points allowed.

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I'm going all out. 10-6. NFC East champs. 4-2 in the division, dropping one to the Giants and one to the Eagles...sweeping Dallas. Only the tough AFC North opponents hamper our record, but they'll beat up on all of the NFC East teams.


Lose the NFC championship after one win, back better than ever next season. 2014 SB champs in YR3 of RG3.

Griffin is ROY, Pro Bowl alternate after some starters make up injuries to get out of it. He'll outproduce Cam Newton and Michael Vick, his two most-frequent comparisons.

10 wins for #10.

Think I'm crazy? Deal with it.
[IMG]http://nflredskins.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/rg3-portrait-011.jpg?w=620&h=631[/IMG]

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[quote=Monkeydad;925952]I'm going all out. 10-6. NFC East champs. 4-2 in the division, dropping one to the Giants and one to the Eagles...sweeping Dallas. Only the tough AFC North opponents hamper our record, but they'll beat up on all of the NFC East teams.


Lose the NFC championship after one win, back better than ever next season. 2014 SB champs in YR3 of RG3.

Griffin is ROY, Pro Bowl alternate after some starters make up injuries to get out of it. He'll outproduce Cam Newton and Michael Vick, his two most-frequent comparisons.

10 wins for #10.

Think I'm crazy? Deal with it.
[/quote]

I don't think you are crazy. I am tempted to make similar predictions. But I am trying not to drink too much koolaid before camp even starts. I've been burned before.

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[quote=Lotus;925961]I don't think you are crazy. I am tempted to make similar predictions. But I am trying not to drink too much koolaid before camp even starts. I've been burned before.[/quote]

This, and again - This. Given that we had a 5 int game, and a 10 sack game, plus several other losses due in the most part to less then stellar QB play, and given the team went 3-1 with Rex playing ok, I think the improvement RGIII is expected to bring will let other pieces that have been berated (OL, WR corp) finally take a step up. BUT, I have drank the Koolaid so many times that even Jim Jones won't serve it to me. So let's see how Griff and the team do for the first year, then next year I will be ready to drink again.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;925968]This, and again - This. Given that we had a 5 int game, and a 10 sack game, plus several other losses due in the most part to less then stellar QB play, and given the team went 3-1 with Rex playing ok, I think the improvement RGIII is expected to bring will let other pieces that have been berated (OL, WR corp) finally take a step up. BUT, [B]I have drank the Koolaid so many times that even Jim Jones won't serve it to me.[/B] So let's see how Griff and the team do for the first year, then next year I will be ready to drink again.[/quote]

Freakin' hilarious CRed.

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[quote=Lotus;925961]I don't think you are crazy. I am tempted to make similar predictions. But I am trying not to drink too much koolaid before camp even starts. I've been burned before.[/quote]

This. I'm not drinking the kool-aid yet. And I don't expect a Newton-like year from RG3 either. I am thinking somewhere in the 8-8 range, with ups and downs. Secondary will be one of the downs.

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[quote=Lotus;925961]I don't think you are crazy. I am tempted to make similar predictions. But I am trying not to drink too much koolaid before camp even starts. I've been burned before.[/quote]

I originally typed 11-5 before remembering we have Baltimore, Pittsburgh and Cincy this year.

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[quote=mooby;925975]This. I'm not drinking the kool-aid yet. And I don't expect a Newton-like year from RG3 either. I am thinking somewhere in the 8-8 range, with ups and downs. Secondary will be one of the downs.[/quote]


Why not?

Griffin is faster, smarter and has a better arm. Newton had ONE competent WR to throw to. Without Steve Smith, newton would have no one. He has a better O-line than RG3, but Griffin can run out of trouble just as well or better and has a better stable of RBs in my opinion.

He should AT LEAST match Newton's numbers, but I'd expect far fewer mistakes (INTs) and a better completion rate.

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Where is aceinthehouse? He have us at 16-0 with SB trophy.

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Hey, it COULD happen! :D


The Browns could do it too, since it's only July.

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Can he come close to Cam Newtons rookie numbers?

Comp - 310
ATT - 517
21 TDs
17 Ints
4051 passing yards
706 rushing yards
14 rushing TDs

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[quote=Monkeydad;925981]Why not?

Griffin is faster, smarter and has a better arm. Newton had ONE competent WR to throw to. Without Steve Smith, newton would have no one. He has a better O-line than RG3, but Griffin can run out of trouble just as well or better and has a better stable of RBs in my opinion.

He should AT LEAST match Newton's numbers, but I'd expect far fewer mistakes (INTs) and a better completion rate.[/quote]

All of Griffin's attributes are debatable, but my key reason for not drinking the kool-aid is the fact that he's a rookie qb. Newton is not the benchmark for which all rookie qb's should be judged by, as far as I'm concerned he's the exception, at least until seasons like the one he had are commonplace for a rookie qb. Newton also had two elite running backs in the backfield, and a wr who has stepped his game up when he has a decent qb under center. I hope the same can happen with Moss but I'm not holding my breath.

Long story short, I really hope RG3 proves me wrong, but if he played average to above-average football this year I won't be suprised. I don't expect him to be Jimmy Clausen 2.0, but I think he'll have his growing pains.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;925988]Can he come close to Cam Newtons rookie numbers?

Comp - 310
ATT - 517
21 TDs
17 Ints
4051 passing yards
706 rushing yards
14 rushing TDs[/quote]

He'll have less INT's, less rushing td's, and less passing yards by about 500 yards. I'm optimistic that he can have td/int ratio of 2:1 with more than 500 yards rushing. His yardage wont match Cam because he will only play 14 games.

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We should also be utilizing the running game more and not playing from behind as much.

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[quote=Monkeydad;925981]Why not? [Griffin having a Newton like year][/quote]This strikes me as a rhetorical question.
Keep in mind I consider myself an objective fan and my answers will be likewise objective.
Also, remember that I'm one of the few that believes that Griffin is/was a better prospect then Luck.
With that preamble in place, flame suit on...

[quote]Griffin is faster, smarter and has a better arm. Newton had ONE competent WR to throw to. Without Steve Smith, newton would have no one. He has a better O-line than RG3, but Griffin can run out of trouble just as well or better and has a better stable of RBs in my opinion.[/quote]Faster? Yes.
Smarter? Who knows? Booksmarts don't matter, football smart is all I care about we're not talking rocket science here afterall look at Terry Brandshaw or Phillip Rivers.
Better arm? I'll say its even, but that because I'm a homer.
You ask me objectively I say Cam.

Receivers? Griff
OL? Panthers by far.
RBs? Panthers by far.

Goaline running/scoring threat?
Offensive coaching staff embracing the spread/read option concepts?

[quote]He should AT LEAST match Newton's numbers, but I'd expect far fewer mistakes (INTs) and a better completion rate.[/quote]I actually agree that Griffin could match Cam's passing numbers because judging by Kyle's first 2 season Griffin could set the rookie record for passing attempts.

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[quote=Monkeydad;925998]We should also be utilizing the running game more and not playing from behind as much.[/quote]

I wholeheartedly agree. But expect this 2012 Redskins team to put more points on the board. If the defense can stiff the opposing offense to 13/15 points a game, then the Redskins can be a 11-5 or even a 12-4 team.

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Just win Baby > Stats

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[url=http://www.redskins.com/news-and-events/article-1/Redskins-Rookie-Passing-Records-To-Watch/8354495f-9a4a-4ca0-8a5b-318d439667a4]Redskins Rookie Passing Records To Watch[/url]

I'd say he's got a great chance at owning all the team records for a rookie QB

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Robert Griffin: 3,473 yards passing 24 TDs 11 Ints
533 yards rushing 7 TDs

Roy Helu: 1,103 yards rushing 9 TDs

Pierre Garcon: 1,087 yards receiving 8 TDs
Fred Davis: 911 yards receiving 6 TDs
Leonard Hankerson: 737 yards receiving yards 5 TDs

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I'll just say this. I have watched the Redskins lack of offense for several years now and and last year was no exception to that fact. If the Redskins can figure out how to score just 21 points per game they will be above .500 for the season. They were 5-11 last year and if you were to just pencil in 21 points for them in the games they lost, they would have been 9-7. Whatever it takes to score 3 TDs per game should be the goal. If another TD here or there verses a FG or a drive killing turnover makes those 3 TDs per game happen, then they will be playoff bound in my mind. I think RG3 is good enough to help this team get those 3 TD, either on a busted play where he makes it happen with his feet, or he buys some time to get that receiver open to make that play. I think he will make more plays than Rex did to help this team score more, and that's what they need.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;926027]Robert Griffin: 3,473 yards passing 24 TDs 11 Ints
533 yards rushing 7 TDs

Roy Helu: 1,103 yards rushing 9 TDs

Pierre Garcon: 1,087 yards receiving 8 TDs
Fred Davis: 911 yards receiving 6 TDs
Leonard Hankerson: 737 yards receiving yards 5 TDs[/quote]


Are you saying Hankerson will move his way up the depth chart and be our #2 guy? It could happen- I just hope b/c he's beasting out and not an injury to moss or failed Morgan experiment.

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[quote=Mattyk;926025][url=http://www.redskins.com/news-and-events/article-1/Redskins-Rookie-Passing-Records-To-Watch/8354495f-9a4a-4ca0-8a5b-318d439667a4]Redskins Rookie Passing Records To Watch[/url]

I'd say he's got a great chance at owning all the team records for a rookie QB[/quote]

Wow, it's amazing how bad our club's rookie qb records are. I hope he re-writes every single one of them(except interceptions)

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I say Robert plays in 15 games this year, puts up 27 TDs and 14 Picks. I say Garcon looks like a bust up till the last 4 games when he starts to come along. I think our running game will be one of the leagues best. I think Josh Morgan will put up poor numbers and be cut. Santana and Cooley play for us, but both end up injured after the 9th game of the season and their careers are done here after the season. I think we beat the saints opening game. We dont beat the eagles, we split with the giants, and the cowboys. We do beat Cam Newton. RG3 wins rookie of the year. Our offense finishes 13th in the league. We draft a RT with our 2nd rounder next year that will be in the middle of the second round, which means an 8-8 record for us. (Best case 9-7)

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I wonder if Jay Schroeder is upset with RGIII wearing #10....:rolleyes::duel::screama:

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;926049]I wonder if Jay Schroeder is upset with RGIII wearing #10....:rolleyes::duel::screama:[/quote]


Wow. I just remembered that I had Jay's jersey as a kid! It was from one of those Hutch uniforms with the helmet.

I also had his Starting Lineup figure.

Our #10s:
10[B][URL="http://www.redskinsdb.com/player.asp?ID=2D3A24262C3D3A2B5F5E"]Rudy Bukich[/URL][/B]QB6' 1'' / 202Iowa
10[B][URL="http://www.redskinsdb.com/player.asp?ID=2C2021212A2226245F5D"]Mike Connell[/URL][/B]P6' 1'' / 200Cincinnati
10/19[B][URL="http://www.redskinsdb.com/player.asp?ID=2B2E362A2E285F5E4F4F"]Eagle Day[/URL][/B]DB/P/QB6' 0'' / 183Mississippi
10[B][URL="http://www.redskinsdb.com/player.asp?ID=283D2E272E242A215F5D"]Kent Graham[/URL][/B]QB6' 5'' / 242Notre Dame
10[B][URL="http://www.redskinsdb.com/player.asp?ID=283D2A2A213B3D2A5F5E"]Trent Green[/URL][/B]QB6' 3'' / 215Indiana
10[B][URL="http://www.redskinsdb.com/player.asp?ID=272E23232520275F5C4F"]John Hall[/URL][/B]K/P6' 3'' / 229Wisconsin
10[B][URL="http://www.redskinsdb.com/player.asp?ID=252E3D3D2A2C3D2E5F5E"]Craig Jarrett[/URL][/B]P6' 2'' / 215Michigan State
10[B][URL="http://www.redskinsdb.com/player.asp?ID=3D3A3B232A252A295F5E"]Jeff Rutledge[/URL][/B]QB6' 1'' / 196Alabama
10[B][URL="http://www.redskinsdb.com/player.asp?ID=3C2C273D20252E365F5E"]Jay Schroeder[/URL][/B]QB6' 4'' / 215UCLA

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[quote=Monkeydad;925980]I originally typed 11-5 before remembering we have Baltimore, Pittsburgh and Cincy this year.[/quote]

Does anyone else feel like the defense for Baltimore and Pittsburgh is starting to fall off a little bit? I'd worry more about that offensive line for the Steelers more than anything.

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Baltimore maybe. They're missing Suggs, Reed...who knows with his contract fight if he'll play and how motivated he'll be, he's seriously angry at the team. The secondary isn't as good anymore.

Pittsburgh should be just as strong. Cincy could be a top 5 NFL defense and Cleveland isn't terrible and have made some nice additions. Watch out for their rookie James Michael-Johnson at LB.

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[quote=Monkeydad;926059]Baltimore maybe. They're missing Suggs, Reed...who knows with his contract fight if he'll play and how motivated he'll be, he's seriously angry at the team. The secondary isn't as good anymore.

Pittsburgh should be just as strong. Cincy could be a top 5 NFL defense and Cleveland isn't terrible and have made some nice additions. Watch out for their rookie James Michael-Johnson at LB.[/quote]

You never know with Cincy. They have a track record of following good years with bad years, for whatever reason.

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[quote=Lotus;926061]You never know with Cincy. They have a track record of following good years with bad years, [B]for whatever reason.[/B][/quote]

Player arrests.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;926057]Does anyone else feel like the defense for Baltimore and Pittsburgh is starting to fall off a little bit? I'd worry more about that offensive line for the Steelers more than anything.[/quote]

Not at all. First off, both have top 5 FO in the league. Both always seem to find guys to replace their fading talent. Check what Pittsburg did in the draft...drafted a couple studs for the Oline. They will be fine.

These teams depend on the draft to grow their teams and dont go out and spend stupid money. Seems to work.

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[quote=Monkeydad;926059]Baltimore maybe. They're missing Suggs, Reed...who knows with his contract fight if he'll play and how motivated he'll be, he's seriously angry at the team. The secondary isn't as good anymore.[/quote]Um...I live in Baltimore.
Ed Reed has been working out at the Ravens den since some time last week.
And although that defense lost Suggs there won't be as huge of a drop off in production as people think.
Between Kruger, McPhee and Upshaw the Raven's pass rush won't fall off that much.
There secondary with Ed Reed, Pollard and CB trio of Kerry Williams, Jimmy Smith and Webb is solid.

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In conjunction with Griffin throwing the football, look for the running game to be even stronger. What's the chances in the Redskins having two of three running backs each rushing for a 1,000 yards?

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I'm not optimistic about this season. 5-11.

Griffin plays well, but a few bonehead throws make us think Rex Grossman is a bad influence on him. He still puts up almost Cam-Newton-like numbers, till he's hurt halfway through the season.

Shanny and Allen continues to build the team, though not having our own first round pick the next two seasons hurts. Griffin will become the best QB in the NFCE soon, especially as the other guys get old, and we really start to win in 2013 and onwards.

That's what I'm expecting. I hope to be pleasantly surprised this season.

Other than all those picks we gave up recently, I think Mike Shanahan's been building this team the right way. And if anybody could be trusted nowadays to make such a gamble on a guy like Griffin, it's Shanny.