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I just hate the thought that I have to carry a gun in our society to feel protected. Is that what the forefathers wanted? A society so violent and crazy we need to carry firearms everywhere?

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I like how some think the answer to gun control is more guns.

We sure are a gun f'ing crazy society.

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Like mredskins says, everyone thinks they'd be Rambo or some shit like that in such a situation.

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[quote=mredskins;926206]Regardless if you are a excellent marksman how do you shoot someone with tear gas going off and in the dark? Should they carry their gun, gas mask, and night vision at all times?

"Heading out to see Batman honey."
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"OK be safe."

"Always."[/quote]

Hilarious......

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[quote=SmootSmack;926213]Like mredskins says, everyone thinks they'd be Rambo or some shit like that in such a situation.[/quote]

Or capable. Whatever......

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As mentioned previously, we've had this discussion before. Personally, I think there should be a form of gun control. I think the idea of localized gun control makes sense. I see no need for assault rifles to be legal and little need for hand guns to be legal. I enjoy shooting guns. I'll go out and shoot trap or go to the range from time to time. I enjoy it as an activity for entertainment. However, these are tools for killing other humans plain and simple.

To be honest, my real issue with it is the ease at which someone can purchase a firearm. While assault rifles and handguns are more strict. At 17 me and 4 friends were able to buy a rifle, at walmart, with ammo within 20 minutes. Oh yeah.. we were all drunk. To me, there's an issue with the ease at which I purchased a firearm. Many of those things were not legal and the oversight was not there to keep it from happening.

Yes, people will find ways to get guns. However it puts them in precarious situations, will become much more expensive, and difficult to obtain for those not in tune with the criminal element. To me, fewer guns is better than more guns. Just because someone goes through a couple hour class about gun ownership doesn't give them the training, understanding, or ability to operate the gun in a stressful situation. I have two friends with conceal carry and it makes me nervous. They hear a loud noise and they start to reach down. They're just waiting to be a hero.

For every study one side shows the other side can counter. You can twist and contort all sorts of numbers and make them work to your advantage. Every article I see on it is slanted to their way. Imagine that, gunowners.org has numbers to say how much safer we are because of gun ownership. Oh look! hippiesagainstguns.org have numbers that counter those numbers. All I know is that a majority of violent crimes are commited with firearms. Would that change with a ban, probably not. Would the number drop? Hopefully.

Finally, in regards to the tragic situation in Colorado. Saying someone being locked and loaded is going to save the day is a hard pill to swallow. No required combat training, dark theatre, tear gas, chaos, etc. Hell, I doubt many military folks have training on a situation like that. I heard the same thing about the guy in the tower with a sniper rifle -- somehow someone with a handgun would have stopped him! Doubtful.

What happens if one of these concealed carry guys kills someone while trying to kill the shooter? To me, that is cold blooded murder and they should go to jail for life or have the death penalty. In situations, such as this one, there is absolute chaos. People running everywhere. It's not as if there's a clear path. Would it be possible for that person to stop the threat? Maybe. Personally, I'd rather make it more difficult for psychos to get out there. Will it still happen? Of course. Would it limit these occurrences? I believe so.

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I'm not sure why you guys are wasting time arguing about gun control and gun laws in general. Since when do the criminals obey laws?

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[quote=skinsguy;926224]I'm not sure why you guys are wasting time arguing about gun control and gun laws in general. Since when do the criminals obey laws?[/quote]

I tried to make that point to the gun control supporters earlier but they don't understand that common sense point. They just think hanging a "Gun Free Zone!" sign will make the orange-haired terrorists go home and play video games to get their anger out.

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Regardless of the gun control issue and for the permit record I am for folks having guns. I just don't believe we should all walk around wearing guns thinking we can stop a "sucker punch". I can even agree and have thought of buying a gun as home protection but IMO the dangers of having it in my home out weigh the benefit of protection; simply my opinion.

Now what really scares me about the CO shooting was my reaction Friday morning when learning about. I was very cavalry about the whole situation. I made some in bad taste post on here and even thought to myself driving into work that I couldn't wait to dive into the story when I got to my computer. Has this world made me that desensitized to violence? I feel ashamed, especially now after reading some of the victims stories. I am afraid a lot of our society is heading that way; thinking it is just the next news story.

We as a society glorify violence so much. You don't even have to look past the theater the shooting happened in to see the violence. People were there to watch a violent movie.

Even folks on here that are very anti-gun love to play games like GTA or Modern Warfare. What makes us fantasize about violence so much? I will be the first to raise my hand and say it is cool to run my car through a bunch of people on GTA and see what happens or shoot down a bunch of folks on MMW2.

I am not really asking for a answer; just my thoughts over the past few days and my fear of what my children's world will look like when they are my age.

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As I addressed in my post. Will it completely keep criminals away from guns? Absolutely not. However, if there's a limited supply. Demand goes up. Eventually it becomes both difficult and expensive to get your hands on a gun meaning FEWER psychos are able to get them. It's not something you'll completely eliminate, but it's something you can greatly reduce.

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[quote=Daseal;926235]As I addressed in my post. Will it completely keep criminals away from guns? Absolutely not. However, if there's a limited supply. Demand goes up. Eventually it becomes both difficult and expensive to get your hands on a gun meaning FEWER psychos are able to get them. It's not something you'll completely eliminate, but it's something you can greatly reduce.[/quote]

They've tried this tactic with terrorism, drugs, and alcohol. It doesn't work.

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[quote=mredskins;926233]Regardless of the gun control issue and for the permit record I am for folks having guns. I just don't believe we should all walk around wearing guns thinking we can stop a "sucker punch". I can even agree and have thought of buying a gun as home protection but IMO [B]the dangers of having it in my home out weigh the benefit of protection; simply my opinion.[/B]

Now what really scares me about the CO shooting was my reaction Friday morning when learning about. I was very cavalry about the whole situation. I made some in bad taste post on here and even thought to myself driving into work that I couldn't wait to dive into the story when I got to my computer. Has this world made me that desensitized to violence? I feel ashamed, especially now after reading some of the victims stories. I am afraid a lot of our society is heading that way; thinking it is just the next news story.

We as a society glorify violence so much. You don't even have to look past the theater the shooting happened in to see the violence. People were there to watch a violent movie.

Even folks on here that are very anti-gun love to play games like GTA or Modern Warfare. What makes us fantasize about violence so much? I will be the first to raise my hand and say it is cool to run my car through a bunch of people on GTA and see what happens or shoot down a bunch of folks on MMW2.

I am not really asking for a answer; just my thoughts over the past few days and my fear of what my children's world will look like when they are my age.[/quote]

The only danger in having a gun in the home is when one deos not properly no how to store their gun. They don't load themself and they don't shoot themself. You keep boiling water away from kids and you keep guns away from them also. I cannot think of one time where I read about a kid shooting someone where proper firearm safty was followed.

As far as the violence on TV and games the left laughed and mocked the conservatives that questioned these things years ago.

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[quote=firstdown;926241][B]The only danger in having a gun in the home is when one deos not properly no how to store their gun. They don't load themself and they don't shoot themself. You keep boiling water away from kids and you keep guns away from them also. I cannot think of one time where I read about a kid shooting someone where proper firearm safty was followed.[/B]

As far as the violence on TV and games the left laughed and mocked the conservatives that questioned these things years ago.[/quote]

That is your opinion and you have a right to it. We don't see eye to eye on that one.

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[quote=Monkeydad;926229]I tried to make that point to the gun control supporters earlier but they don't understand that common sense point. They just think hanging a "Gun Free Zone!" sign will make the orange-haired terrorists go home and play video games to get their anger out.[/quote]

Well duh, of course not.


We have to ban video games too.

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[quote=NC_Skins;926240]They've tried this tactic with terrorism, drugs, and alcohol. It doesn't work.[/quote]

Exactly!

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[quote=mredskins;926248]That is your opinion and you have a right to it. We don't see eye to eye on that one.[/quote]

That's not opinion thats fact. Now if you just don't feel safe having a gun around the house then that another story.

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[quote=skinsguy;926224]I'm not sure why you guys are wasting time arguing about gun control and gun laws in general. Since when do the criminals obey laws?[/quote]

So the answer is just let everyone have a gun? Ok

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[quote=SmootSmack;926262]So the answer is just let everyone have a gun? Ok[/quote]

Oversimplifying it, but, "Yes".

I don't think a majority of people should be permitted to drive, but they are. Cars aren't designed to kill but they do an admirable job of the task.

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[quote=firstdown;926241]The only danger in having a gun in the home is when one deos not properly no how to store their gun. They don't load themself and they don't shoot themself. You keep boiling water away from kids and you keep guns away from them also. I cannot think of one time where I read about a kid shooting someone where proper firearm safty was followed.

As far as the violence on TV and games the left laughed and mocked the conservatives that questioned these things years ago.[/quote]

What TV shows and video games was Andrew Kehoe a fan of?

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[quote=SmootSmack;926264]What TV shows and video games was Andrew Kehoe a fan of?[/quote]

Well since he died in 1927 probably not many but they may just be your point. =)

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Mr. Kehoe was an animal abuser, all the signs were there.

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[quote=SmootSmack;926150]Or people may have still panicked and forgotten they even had a gun.

Or even worse yet, more people could have been hurt or killed in the cross fire.

I'm not sure why anyone needs to buy assault weapons such as the AR-15 (which I believe was once federally banned), and I don't know anyone should be allowed to sell/buy ammunition over the Internet.[/quote]

Indulge me on the last paragraph please.
Without Googling, tell me what an "assault rifle is" and why should it be banned?
And since I can go buy all the .223 I want at Wal Mart, why should I not get it off the internet?

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[quote=RedskinRat;926263][B]Oversimplifying it, but, "Yes[/B]".

I don't think a majority of people should be permitted to drive, but they are. Cars aren't designed to kill but they do an admirable job of the task.[/quote]

Please honestly consider if this was true at this moment. At 16, everyone gets a sidearm. Honestly just think about that right now and look around you, I get nervous. It would be a more fearful society.

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[quote=SmootSmack;926262]So the answer is just let everyone have a gun? Ok[/quote]

I don't get it either. Why bother with any laws at all then? Why are we wasting time with such foolishness?

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[quote=Chico23231;926274]Please honestly consider if this was true at this moment. At 16, everyone gets a sidearm. Honestly just think about that right now and look around you, I get nervous. It would be a more fearful society.[/quote]

Why are you picking 16? I'd have gone with 21.

Surely only those with a chronically poor aim would be fearful?

Fuq 'em.

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[quote=RedskinRat;926278]Why are you picking 16? I'd have gone with 21.

Surely only those with a chronically poor aim would be fearful?

Fuq 'em.[/quote]

I believe he choose 16 because the original point was about drivers.

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Image fail.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;926273]Indulge me on the last paragraph please.
Without Googling, tell me what an "assault rifle is" and why should it be banned?
And since I can go buy all the .223 I want at Wal Mart, why should I not get it off the internet?[/quote]

To your second question first, I don't think it should be so easy at a WalMart either but there's no screening at all on the Internet. You say you're a 40 some year old man from Michigan, you could be a 12 year girl in Budapest for all I know.

To your first question, I know where you're going with this. As you already did in the other thread. But I don't know what the need is to have a rapid fire weapon like that.

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[quote=Mattyk;926275]I don't get it either. Why bother with any laws at all then? Why are we wasting time with such foolishness?[/quote]

Let's just make everyone a mod while we're at it

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Mayor Bloomberg to the rescue with more of his stupid antics. How did this clown get elected anyway?


[url=http://reason.com/blog/2012/07/24/mayor-bloomberg-says-cops-should-go-on-s]Mayor Bloomberg Says Cops Should Go On Strike Until Americans Give Up Their Guns - Hit & Run : Reason.com[/url]


[quote]New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg told CNN's Piers Morgan last night that he doesn't "understand why police officers across this country don’t stand up collectively and say we’re going to go on strike, we’re not going to protect you unless you, the public, through your legislature, do what’s required to keep us safe."[/quote]

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[quote=Chico23231;926274]Please honestly consider if this was true at this moment. At 16, everyone gets a sidearm. Honestly just think about that right now and look around you, I get nervous. It would be a more fearful society.[/quote]


I think at 18 every Swiss male gets screened for their army or mitilia. 2/3rds are deemed fit and are forced to join and every member gets issued 2 assualt rifles and 2 pistols to keep at home.

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[quote=mlmpetert;926287]I think at 18 every Swiss male gets screened for their army or mitilia. 2/3rds are deemed fit and are forced to join and every member gets issued 2 assualt rifles and 2 pistols to keep at home.[/quote]


No jack nuts you get a Swiss Army knife and are left in the woods for a week. Who ever is left at the end of the week is in the army.

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[quote=SmootSmack;926262]So the answer is just let everyone have a gun? Ok[/quote]

If jumping to conclusions was an Olympic sport, you would have already won the gold. :doh:

Obviously I did not say the answer is to let everyone have a gun. I'm saying it's fruitless to argue gun laws, since criminals do not follow law anyway. All the gun laws do is keep an honest man honest. Period.

And while the theater massacre was horrific and something that I hope never happens again, there was no absolute way of preventing this guy from doing what he did. Even if gun laws were more strict, he would have gotten his material some other way. If he was psychotic enough to kill a bunch of innocent people, what makes you think he would not have used illegal means to obtain his weapons? It's a moot point.

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[quote=SmootSmack;926282]Let's just make everyone a mod while we're at it[/quote]

Didn't you sort of already try that experiment?

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[quote=SmootSmack;926281]To your second question first, I don't think it should be so easy at a WalMart either but there's no screening at all on the Internet. You say you're a 40 some year old man from Michigan, you could be a 12 year girl in Budapest for all I know.

To your first question, I know where you're going with this. As you already did in the other thread. But I don't know what the need is to have a rapid fire weapon like that.[/quote]

I agree you should not be able to buy any guns or ammo over the internet. While I'm for the right to own guns I also think we could improve our laws. Here in Va I'd like to see a back ground checks done for even personal gun sales. As it is today any individual can sell a gun to another individual without a back ground check of any kind. Most people have heard of the Gun Show loophole and that's it because individuals also sell guns at these shows.

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[quote=firstdown;926294]I agree you should not be able to buy any guns or ammo over the internet. While I'm for the right to own guns I also think we could improve our laws. Here in Va I'd like to see a back ground checks done for even personal gun sales. [B]As it is today any individual can sell a gun to another individual without a back ground check of any kind.[/B] Most people have heard of the Gun Show loophole and that's it because individuals also sell guns at these shows.[/quote]


I buy all my guns this way whenever possible. While i think it would be ridiculous to require a background check for private sales i would be okay with a law that says you have to personally know someone or show an ID to buy a gun. Or maybe if no ID is avialable you have to write a reciept.

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[quote=SmootSmack;926281]To your second question first, I don't think it should be so easy at a WalMart either but there's no screening at all on the Internet. You say you're a 40 some year old man from Michigan, you could be a 12 year girl in Budapest for all I know.

To your first question, I know where you're going with this. As you already did in the other thread. But[COLOR="Red"] I don't know[/COLOR] what the need is to have a rapid fire weapon like that.[/quote]


I have bought ammo on the internet.
I had to register with the buyer first, and supply a fair amount of info.
Then I had to provide a copy of my scanned drivers license and have a matching shipping address for the delivery.
So your Budapest comments are way off.

And I still dont think you know what an "assault weapon" is because they fire as rapidly as a lot of deer rifles. And the large magazine debate is pretty stoopid since they are so easy to modify.

The "need " is - they are a freakin riot of fun to shoot on the range.
And since I'm harmless and practice gun safety like a lot of other guys, why deprive me.

And your [B]I dont know[/B] comment that I have marked in red is because you know very little (at least thats the perception you give me) about firearms and the shooting community in general.
And if this is true I would prefer people like you not voting on gun issues.

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[quote=skinsguy;926289]If jumping to conclusions was an Olympic sport, you would have already won the gold. :doh:

Obviously I did not say the answer is to let everyone have a gun. I'm saying it's fruitless to argue gun laws, since criminals do not follow law anyway. All the gun laws do is keep an honest man honest. Period.

And while the theater massacre was horrific and something that I hope never happens again, there was no absolute way of preventing this guy from doing what he did. Even if gun laws were more strict, he would have gotten his material some other way. If he was psychotic enough to kill a bunch of innocent people, what makes you think he would not have used illegal means to obtain his weapons? It's a moot point.[/quote]

Go back to ES, jerk! :)

Seriously though...I quoted the wrong person

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[quote=Alvin Walton;926304]And since I'm harmless and practice gun safety like a lot of other guys, why deprive me.[/quote]

Because society is now decided by the lowest, most inept common denominator.

Thin the fricken herd, already!

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[quote=Alvin Walton;926304]I have bought ammo on the internet.
I had to register with the buyer first, and supply a fair amount of info.
Then I had to provide a copy of my scanned drivers license and have a matching shipping address for the delivery.
So your Budapest comments are way off.

And I still dont think you know what an "assault weapon" is because they fire as rapidly as a lot of deer rifles. And the large magazine debate is pretty stoopid since they are so easy to modify.

The "need " is - they are a freakin riot of fun to shoot on the range.
And since I'm harmless and practice gun safety like a lot of other guys, why deprive me.[/quote]

Well thanks for educating me on the Internet piece.

As for the "need"...we can't always have what we want.

But whatever, it's a culture I just don't understand.