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Man, a lot, A LOT, of people are raving about Richard Crawford. Don't think I really saw that coming

Meanwhile, Young is going to rest his hamstring for the next couple of days.

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The oline is sounding like a hot mess from that practice report. Our defense is good but hardly elite, if the line is getting worked over by this group it will be a sh!t show against the elite defenses we face.

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Our front 7 and reserves are one of the better in the league in my opinion.

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[quote=Monkeydad;927699]Our front 7 and reserves are one of the better in the league in my opinion.[/quote]

Agreed. And one would think that they will be much better than last year.

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[url=http://washingtonexaminer.com/practice-report-july-31/article/2503693]Practice report: July 31 | WashingtonExaminer.com[/url]

[url=http://washingtonexaminer.com/rg3-report-july-31/article/2503687]RG3 Report: July 31 | WashingtonExaminer.com[/url]

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[quote=Monkeydad;927699]Our front 7 and reserves are one of the better in the league in my opinion.[/quote]

Quality DLs and LBs should help with the development of the OL too.

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Ryan Kerrigan was saying recently how he and Brian Orakpo had to go up against Trent Williams in practice. If that doesn't prepare Trent Williams for the better OLBs and DEs in the league then nothing will.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;927901]Ryan Kerrigan was saying recently how he and Brian Orakpo had to go up against Trent Williams in practice. If that doesn't prepare Trent Williams for the better OLBs and DEs in the league then nothing will.[/quote]

I would hope the 4th overall pick could cope with the 2 linebackers drafted later in their respective drafts. As long as he can slide left, with an occasional look to the inside, their not really that challenging for him. I would hope anyway. I would rather he practice against D. Ware.

Not trying to hate on the OLB's but he is supposed to be a badass himself.

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Sounds like Rak and Kerrigan are the ones getting an education so far in camp. TW has been in beast mode.

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[quote=Mattyk;927941]Sounds like Rak and Kerrigan are the ones getting an education so far in camp. TW has been in beast mode.[/quote]

Good. Hopefully, he can make up for the deficiencies on rest of the O-line.

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[quote=Mattyk;927941]Sounds like Rak and Kerrigan are the ones getting an education so far in camp. TW has been in beast mode.[/quote]

Must be that racist back tat...brings out the anger.

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[quote=Monksdown;927940]I would hope the 4th overall pick could cope with the 2 linebackers drafted later in their respective drafts. As long as he can slide left, with an occasional look to the inside, their not really that challenging for him. I would hope anyway. I would rather he practice against D. Ware.

Not trying to hate on the OLB's but he is supposed to be a badass himself.[/quote]

You'd rather he practice against a 2005 11th overall pick than a 2009 13th overall pick?

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The Williams/Orakpo battles sound like they are really, really good. Rak is apparently in the backfield often but it doesn't soulnd like most of them are off Williams. Rather, it sounds like the two of them are absolutely dominating any one else they go against. Men against boys as it were. Williams apparently was handling Kerrigan - who I think we can agree is no slouch - easily.

I think that is excellent news.

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[quote=SmootSmack;927954]You'd rather he practice against a 2005 11th overall pick than a 2009 13th overall pick?[/quote]

Yes. D. Ware is better than Brian Orakpo. More specifically i was just trying to say that our starting left tackle should be better than our ROLB. His performance has a greater impact on the game, and he was drafted high because of it.

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[url=http://www.realredskins.com/rich-tandlers-real-redsk/2012/08/practice-report-special-rg3-edition.html]Practice report: Special RG3 edition - Rich Tandler's Real Redskins[/url]

Man I hope they increase the number of attempts per practice.
11 passes during force on force scrimmage doesn't seem like a lot.
Get that volume up baby!

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[quote=Monksdown;927972]Yes. D. Ware is better than Brian Orakpo. More specifically i was just trying to say that our starting left tackle should be better than our ROLB. His performance has a greater impact on the game, and he was drafted high because of it.[/quote]

Trent Williams should be able to hold off Orakpo and Kerrigan simply because he's bigger and stronger than both of them. But going up against the two of them helps him prepare for the Trent Coles, Osi Umeyonoria's, Demarcus Wares of the NFL, then this is the type of push he needs.

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[QUOTE]
[url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/redskins-watch/2012/aug/1/redskins-practice-report-81/]Redskins practice report (8/1) - Washington Times[/url]

...
A few takeaways from OL-DL one-on-ones:

[U][B]RT Tyler Polumbus[/B][/U] gets beat when he reaches for the defender and gets too far forward. He loses power and his can’t move his feet to stay in front of the rusher. It happened against OLB Chris Wilson, and rookie Monte Lewis. If Monte Lewis is beating your starting right tackle…

[U][B]DL Jarvis Jenkins[/B][/U]’ bull rush was not successful against rookie G Nick Martinez. Martinez stayed low and used his hands effectively. RG Chris Chester later rode Jenkins out, as well. I’m still waiting to see the power that Jenkins so frequently showed last summer.
[/QUOTE]

Two concerning blurbs above. Sure, first days in practice, and we can wait longer for the preseason to develop --> but I'm hoping Jenkins gets back into form. I was hoping he'd really improve our front d-line rotation..

And Polumbus is continuing to develop, but a little frightening when a rookie is beating our starting RT...

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[quote=ethat001;928062]Two concerning blurbs above. Sure, first days in practice, and we can wait longer for the preseason to develop --> but I'm hoping Jenkins gets back into form. I was hoping he'd really improve our front d-line rotation..

And Polumbus is continuing to develop, but a little frightening when a rookie is beating our starting RT...[/quote]

I wouldn't look too much into this. Polumbus did a tremendous job at right tackle for us last season when Jammal Brown was placed on IR. I'd cut Ploumbus some slack considering this is his first bit of work with the starting offensive unit since training camp began.

I'm expecting Jarvis Jenkins to play excellent football this season.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp12/story/_/page/claytoncampskins120801/nfl-observations-washington-redskins-training-camp]NFL - Observations from Washington Redskins training camp - ESPN[/url]

Interesting blurb from Clayton here:

[quote=John Clayton]
3. Safety in numbers? A sleeper position for the Redskins might be safety. Shanahan overhauled the position by bringing in Brandon Meriweather, Tanard Jackson and Madieu Williams. They could end up being steals. Meriweather is the most interesting acquisition. He was immature at times in New England and was a nonfactor last season for the Chicago Bears. Still, Meriweather is a former first-round talent who really loves playing the game. He's a good blitzer and a big hitter. Jackson had numerous off-the-field issues in Tampa Bay, but he's talented free safety who can make plays. At one point, Williams was one of the highest-paid safeties in football. Even though it didn't work out for him in Minnesota, he could help a decent Redskins defense as a backup. He has good coverage skills.
[/quote]

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Took the drive down to Ashburn 8/1/12 and this is what I saw with the untrained eye.

IT WAS HOT.
Fletch & Kerrigan had the day off.
TW does look really good had a play were he rode Riley out and just pushed him to the floor like a rag doll.
Lo Ax looks good, made nice INT of RG3 and tried to run him down on a 30 yard TD run should've taken a better angle.
Hank looks good don't see any hint that still has an injury.
RG3 threw 2 INT's the 2nd one Hall stepped in front of the receiver, ball slightly under thrown.
RG3 is fast I mean FAST.
Cousins looks good made some nice throws.
OL is coming along there trying or maybe our DL just might be that good.
DL looks BIG & PHYSICAL.
Robinson made some nice catches you can see the speed.
Niles looks good.
Moss looks fast.
Hall is SMALL please don't complain about him not being a physical CB.
Banks is looking focused on making team as WR.
Rex came out on the field wearing a sleeve and started throwing like RG3 from the sidelines it looked funny and you could see/tell RG3 found it FUNNY as well.

This is what I saw from my untrained eye. Please forgive grammar & punctuation. If you have any questions on other players post them & If I can answer I will. There was so much going on. Had a GREAT time was well worth the drive, I beleive we are moving in the right direction.

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Good breakdown. Have heard a lot of people saying Griff is holding on to the ball too long. Did you see that?

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[url=http://washingtonexaminer.com/redskins-practice-report-aug-1/article/2503801]Redskins Practice Report: Aug 1 | WashingtonExaminer.com[/url]

[url=http://washingtonexaminer.com/rg3-report/article/2503795]RG3 Report: Aug 1 | WashingtonExaminer.com[/url]

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;928057]Trent Williams should be able to hold off Orakpo and Kerrigan simply because he's bigger and stronger than both of them. But going up against the two of them helps him prepare for the Trent Coles, Osi Umeyonoria's, Demarcus Wares of the NFL, then this is the type of push he needs.[/quote]

How high was DeMarcus and Osi drafted? It doesn't always determine the pro-level success these guys have.

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[quote=SmootSmack;928071]Good breakdown. Have heard a lot of people saying Griff is holding on to the ball too long. Did you see that?[/quote]

Thx, I didn't see that yesterday.

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I keep hearing OG Nick Martinez's name mentioned recently. Is he playing well or is it just a slow news day? Would be nice to find a diamond in the rough on the OL. We need several.

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[quote=Defensewins;928084]I keep hearing OG Nick Martinez's name mentioned recently. Is he playing well or is it just a slow news day? Would be nice to find a diamond in the rough on the OL. We need several.[/quote]

This might be the first I'm hearing this name.

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To all: How do you feel about RGIII running the option, QB draws, and other designed running plays?

Frankly, I don't like the idea of making him a runner at all. As an NFL QB, He's going to take enough hits in the passing game.

I have no problem with his rolling out with a run or pass option, particulary in the Red Zone. An occaisional QB draw by RGIII, in the right situation, should be very effective. The Skins should take advantage of his speed in those types of plays.

But, if they use him as an option QB, he's going to take some big hits whether he pitches the ball or keeps it. I think that use of RGIII's skills would be far too risky to his health. If training camp practices are an indicator of what they want to do with RGIII in the running game, I'm hoping that the Shanahans come to their senses and drop the idea of using him to run the option offense.

To me, the primary benefit of a mobile QB is that he can extend plays or turn broken plays into positive yardage.

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Not only that, in person he looks really, REALLY skinny. When I saw him on TV he looked like he could handle a beating, but the guy must have that "wiry" strength or something because I'd be really concerned with him getting smashed by an LB at full force.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;928089]To all: How do you feel about RGIII running the option, QB draws, and other designed running plays?

Frankly, I don't like the idea of making him a runner at all. As an NFL QB, He's going to take enough hits in the passing game.

I have no problem with his rolling out with a run or pass option, particulary in the Red Zone. An occaisional QB draw by RGIII, in the right situation, should be very effective. The Skins should take advantage of his speed in those types of plays.

But, if they use him as an option QB, he's going to take some big hits whether he pitches the ball or keeps it. I think that use of RGIII's skills would be far too risky to his health. If training camp practices are an indicator of what they want to do with RGIII in the running game, I'm hoping that the Shanahans come to their senses and drop the idea of using him to run the option offense.

To me, the primary benefit of a mobile QB is that he can extend plays or turn broken plays into positive yardage.[/quote]

It's my understanding, and I could be wrong about this, that they are intentionally putting in plays from the Baylor playbook to make him more comfortable in the offense with the realization that he will eventually transition completely to the Shanahan playbook when he is acclimated to the speed of the game.

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[quote=RGIII;928078]How high was DeMarcus and Osi drafted? It doesn't always determine the pro-level success these guys have.[/quote]

DeMarcus Ware was drafted 11th overall and Osi was 56th overall.

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Any word of rookie FS/SS JORDAN BERNSTEIN from TC?

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;928089]To all: How do you feel about RGIII running the option, QB draws, and other designed running plays?

Frankly, I don't like the idea of making him a runner at all. As an NFL QB, He's going to take enough hits in the passing game.

I have no problem with his rolling out with a run or pass option, particulary in the Red Zone. An occaisional QB draw by RGIII, in the right situation, should be very effective. The Skins should take advantage of his speed in those types of plays.

But, if they use him as an option QB, he's going to take some big hits whether he pitches the ball or keeps it. I think that use of RGIII's skills would be far too risky to his health. If training camp practices are an indicator of what they want to do with RGIII in the running game, I'm hoping that the Shanahans come to their senses and drop the idea of using him to run the option offense.

To me, the primary benefit of a mobile QB is that he can extend plays or turn broken plays into positive yardage.[/quote]

Personally I like the idea of the option, draw, and other designed running play, used in moderation. The threat that Gryphon might run, beyond just ordinary scrambling, is a weapon in its own right and can be used to open up the passing game. A linebacker, safety, or cornerback who has to worry about Gryphon keeping will be distracted from passing game responsibilities. So I think Gryphon should run in an intentional way more than most other QB's.

However, I agree with you about the specter of injury. So if Gryphon runs just enough to establish the threat and keep defenses honest, that will be good enough for me.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;928089]To all: How do you feel about RGIII running the option, QB draws, and other designed running plays? [COLOR="DarkOrange"][B][I][I LOVE IT!][/I][/B][/COLOR]....

But, if they use him as an option QB, he's going to take some big hits whether he pitches the ball or keeps it. I think that use of RGIII's skills would be far too risky to his health. If training camp practices are an indicator of what they want to do with RGIII in the running game, I'm hoping that the Shanahans come to their senses and drop the idea of using him to run the option offense.

To me, the primary benefit of a mobile QB is that he can extend plays or turn broken plays into positive yardage.[/quote]Great topic...[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/47172-new-look-offense-same-but-better.html[/url]

For me its a risk/reward question. (and a frequency of use question)
And I think the potential benefit is worth the risk.
If Griffin can learn to be smart about when to look for and when/where to takes contact vs. avoid contact I think he can reduce the injury risk greatly.
For all Cam Newton's size he's very smart about when/where to take contact vs. protect himself and get down.

But there is huge and specific benefit to Griffin executing designed zone-read plays (that could result in QB runs) that is unique to Newton, Tebow and Griffin.

The run threat posed by structured zone-read plays (i.e. QB runs) forces defenses to account for the QB in the run game by giving the offense a numerical advantage over the defense.
This threat makes it possible to run(RBs) with efficiency from shotgun.

This in turn forces defenses to play 'honest' looks against shotgun formations that respect the threat of the run and creates the opportunity for big plays off play-action from shotgun.

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[quote=Lotus;928098]Personally I like the idea of the option, draw, and other designed running play, used in moderation. The threat that Gryphon might run, beyond just ordinary scrambling, is a weapon in its own right and can be used to open up the passing game. A linebacker, safety, or cornerback who has to worry about Gryphon keeping will be distracted from passing game responsibilities. So I think Gryphon should run in an intentional way more than most other QB's.

However, I agree with you about the specter of injury. So if Gryphon runs just enough to establish the threat and keep defenses honest, that will be good enough for me.[/quote]

[IMG]http://www.saintdavidsepiscopal.org/gryphon2.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=30gut;928107]Great topic...[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/47172-new-look-offense-same-but-better.html[/url]

For me its a risk/reward question. (and a frequency of use question)
And I think the potential benefit is worth the risk.
If Griffin can learn to be smart about when to look for and when/where to takes contact vs. avoid contact I think he can reduce the injury risk greatly.
For all Cam Newton's size he's very smart about when/where to take contact vs. protect himself and get down.

But there is huge and specific benefit to Griffin executing designed zone-read plays (that could result in QB runs) that is unique to Newton, Tebow and Griffin.

The run threat posed by structured zone-read plays (i.e. QB runs) forces defenses to account for the QB in the run game by giving the offense a numerical advantage over the defense.
This threat makes it possible to run(RBs) with efficiency from shotgun.

This in turn forces defenses to play 'honest' looks against shotgun formations that respect the threat of the run and creates the opportunity for big plays off play-action from shotgun.[/quote]

Very good point! Also, looks like they have been practicing some pistol formations as well. I see Helu and Royster having some big games as well. With our OL being undersized but athletic, I think the option plays and some of these shotgun/pistol formations will play to our advantage.

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[quote=skinsguy;928118]Very good point! Also, looks like they have been practicing some pistol formations as well. I see Helu and Royster having some big games as well. With our OL being undersized but athletic, I think the option plays and some of these shotgun/pistol formations will play to our advantage.[/quote]

Yes, it should be handled like Peyton Manning in Indy...get the ball out of his hands before anyone can touch him.

Griff is already a master at screen passes. Moss has always turned those into big plays too. Helu is a pass-catching back.

It just makes sense.

Make every drive a 15-play, 80-yard drive. Sure, we might only get 5 yards a play when not busting long gains, but the D won't be able to force us into a 4th down. TD every time. :D

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[quote=skinsguy;928118]Very good point! Also, looks like they have been practicing some pistol formations as well. I see Helu and Royster having some big games as well. With our OL being undersized but athletic, I think the option plays and some of these shotgun/pistol formations will play to our advantage.[/quote]

Good insight. I'm looking forward to seeing the pistol in action. We might have an offense this year which is fun to watch.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;928089]To all: How do you feel about RGIII running the option, QB draws, and other designed running plays?

Frankly, I don't like the idea of making him a runner at all. As an NFL QB, He's going to take enough hits in the passing game.

I have no problem with his rolling out with a run or pass option, particulary in the Red Zone. An occaisional QB draw by RGIII, in the right situation, should be very effective. The Skins should take advantage of his speed in those types of plays.

But, if they use him as an option QB, he's going to take some big hits whether he pitches the ball or keeps it. I think that use of RGIII's skills would be far too risky to his health. If training camp practices are an indicator of what they want to do with RGIII in the running game, I'm hoping that the Shanahans come to their senses and drop the idea of using him to run the option offense.

To me, the primary benefit of a mobile QB is that he can extend plays or turn broken plays into positive yardage.[/quote]

Right now we're going to have to use him on this type of stuff. Do you expect him to sit back in the pocket and consistently move the chains as a rookie? I don't. Not right now. As his career moves along, and if/when he gets the pocket game down, then I'm sure they'll scale it back on the option stuff.

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Grant Paulsen reported that Trent Williams is having an outstanding camp through the first week.

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I might be attendance Saturday if any of you guys are headed that way.