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[quote=skinsfan69;928158]Unless the pass rush can bail them out, it's going to be a real long year in the secondary.[/quote]

Exactly - see the Giants

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[quote=CultBrennan59;928532]Josh Wilson started to come on towards the end of the year, and looked like he had grasped hold of the defense.[/quote]

Yes, Josh Wilson did. I'm hoping he gets pro bowl honors this year.

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According to Raheem Morris, Kevin Barnes is having a strong camp. Let's hope it translates on the field during games.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;929329]According to Raheem Morris, Kevin Barnes is having a strong camp. Let's hope it translates on the field during games.[/quote]

he also stated that Barnes is MUCH better playing outside than playing the nickel like he was last year . . . hopefully that is true as it would be nice if Barnes can be at least adequate . . .

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[quote=SmootSmack;928338]From John Keim's weekly email

Q&A with Josh Wilson

Wilson is one of the more insightful Redskins, especially when it comes to talking about his position (cornerback). And with the Redskins’ cornerbacks playing a variety of coverages, I thought it would be interesting to talk to him about playing press coverage and off-man coverage and some of the keys involved in both.

Q: Kevin Barnes was talking about Raheem Morris working with you guys, teaching you some new drills. Has he done anything you haven’t seen before?

A: I’ve seen it all. It’s just different options. A lot of guys who haven’t been to other teams like Kevin have never seen a different option. You play with your head up or you play outside. Fortunately or unfortunately I’ve been on three teams with different mindsets. I’ve played for about six different coordinators. I know a lot of different ways of doing it. It’s not about a scheme or coaches. You have to find out what’s best for you. Everybody can teach inside man, but if you’re not a great inside man, you shouldn’t do it. It’s better suited for you to be a head-up outside guy.

Q: I want to talk about press coverage. Sometimes when you see guys up they jam, and sometimes they don’t. Why is that?

A: You got a lot of different things, and you have to be versatile. If you do the same thing every time the receiver doesn’t have to think about what’s going to happen. You got a quick jam sometimes. Quick jams are one hands. Jump jams are two hands. In mirror technique you back off. Sometimes you stay sturdy and get your hands on, but it’s not a quick fire. You have to mix it up like the receivers mix up their release.

Q: When do you know you’re in trouble?

A: When that receiver stacks you, if that receiver is able to cut you off and has you running right behind him. If I’m behind him (to the side) then I can still catch up, but if he goes (over the top) then you’re in trouble.

Q: What’s the key to playing press?

A: Patience. You have to be patient. Don’t open the gate. Don’t get out of there too fast. Let him show the route.

Q: Sounds simple but is it hard to do?

A: That’s why we’re here and a lot of others are home.

Q: When you’re playing off-man, what’s the key?

A: That’s more of a read. You have to read the quarterback to the receiver. That’s a visual, instinctual thing. Press is man-on-man. You’re in off, you have to do a lot of reading, and your reads can get thrown off. You have to get off the quarterback, and there are different keys when you have to get off the quarterback. It’s a lot more detail work. You can get yourself in trouble real quick if [your eyes] linger too long. You hear people say you got your eyes stuck in the backfield. That can get you in trouble.

Q: If you’re playing off-man, how deep can you let the receiver get into you before you open and run?

A: That’s a personal preference. You have to know what speed you have and what route you think he’ll run. You always know your speed. There’s not any one way to tell anyone to do it. You have to be a player and feel when do you need to get out of there. What kind of speed guy is he? Is he running full speed? Do I know this guy well enough to know he’s running full speed? So you have to study your opponents, too.

Q: How quickly can you narrow what route a receiver is going to run?

A: I can narrow down the routes off the first step. As soon as he does his first step, he only has two choices left. In off, you can narrow it down by what the quarterback does and by how many steps he takes. If he takes a three-step drop, it’s quick. If it’s five steps, it’s a little deeper, and if it’s seven, then it’s a real route. Then you get your eyes back on (the receiver) and see what stem he’s giving you.

Q: Sometimes on a jam I’ll see a cornerback use his outside hand to jam a receiver who is taking an outside release. Can that get you in trouble?

A: You can do that. It depends on what position you have him in. If you still have leverage and say he’s (even), then I can get him outside. But if I’m right here (too far inside), and he can get my outside shoulder. … If he gets his hands on that shoulder, he’s gonna have me beat. It’s all about leverage. … Really it’s all about leverage, and a lot of times you want to show him something. You want to show the quarterback something. So I might show you I’m outside and you think I got this inside route where as soon as you throw it I’m diving at that.[/quote]

Very good read! I'm more confident with R. Morris as a Secondary coach, but still hate the fact that Haslett is the D coordinator. Never liked him! Bring back G.Williams...................oh,....................wait.........................

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We should have kept OJ on board. Id say we should have kept Landry too but i dont feel like arguing wit the dirty 30 haters. Meriweathers ok.. i liked that pickup now that we let both our safetys go.. still scratching my head.. for Josh Morgan??? We just added Garcon, Cooley will be healthy, RG will get the ball to guys like Santana & Fred who suffered because we had Rex/Beck taking snaps. And the only reason i liked the Tanard Jackson pickup because we put ourselves in such a rough spot out there.

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[quote=Skins4L;929493]We should have kept OJ on board. Id say we should have kept Landry too but i dont feel like arguing wit the dirty 30 haters. Meriweathers ok.. i liked that pickup now that we let both our safetys go.. still scratching my head.. for Josh Morgan??? We just added Garcon, Cooley will be healthy, RG will get the ball to guys like Santana & Fred who suffered because we had Rex/Beck taking snaps. And the only reason i liked the Tanard Jackson pickup because we put ourselves in such a rough spot out there.[/quote]

Landry would be on the PUP list, just like he is right now in the Jets PUP list.

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[quote=ruhskins;929495]landry would be on the pup list, just like he is right now in the jets pup list.[/quote]

ding ding ding.

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[quote=Ruhskins;929495]Landry would be on the PUP list, just like he is right now in the Jets PUP list.[/quote]NFL.com says he was put back on the active roster on July 26. [URL="http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82ad2e82/article/laron-landry-activated-off-pup-list-by-new-york-jets"]LINK[/URL]

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[quote=HailGreen28;929504]NFL.com says he was put back on the active roster on July 26. [URL="http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82ad2e82/article/laron-landry-activated-off-pup-list-by-new-york-jets"]LINK[/URL][/quote]

And I guarantee you being back on the active list doesn't mean he will stay there for long.

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[quote=SkinzWin;929509]And I guarantee you being back on the active list doesn't mean he will stay there for long.[/quote]

In the immortal words of Duffman: OH YEAH!

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[QUOTE=Coach Has]And I think Bernstine is doing a nice job. He’s really athletic, and I think he’s going to be a good player. So, you’ve got six players vying for however many spots, and the practice squad. It’s a good situation to be in.”[/QUOTE]

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/redskins-safeties-competition-is-wide-open/1970/01/01/gJQA2rNOgX_blog.html]Redskins safeties: Competition is wide open - The Insider - The Washington Post[/url]

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[quote=Ruhskins;929495]Landry would be on the PUP list, just like he is right now in the Jets PUP list.[/quote]

People still defending Landry is mind boggling to see. :doh:

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How many safeties will the team keep? Bernstein looks to make the final roster. Who could be the odd man out? Doughty? Madieu? Gomes?

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Jackson, Bernstein, Gomes, and Merriweather if the rookie makes it.

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O line is more of a concern with all of the injuries. If we get banged up in the secondary like we are in the O line, then yeah we are screwed, but the D looked tight against Buffalo, so for now the O line is the only big concern. Those guys have our biggest investment to protect. If he goes down, so does our season.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;930335]Jackson, Bernstein, Gomes, and Merriweather if the rookie makes it.[/quote]

Madieu Williams has been the 'best safety' in training camp according to haslett and shanahan

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[quote=SkinzWin;929509]And I guarantee you being back on the active list doesn't mean he will stay there for long.[/quote]Lol. Agreed.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;930339]Madieu Williams has been the 'best safety' in training camp according to haslett and shanahan[/quote]

That's why I asked the question. It's still early in the evaluation.

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Outside of Hall, the pastfew seasons we have had a vanilla defensive backfield and we seem to alway be OK. The off line already being banged up has to be the bigger concern. Haslett and co will have a nice secondary in place come week 1.

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Giants were 28th in pass defense last year and dead last in rushing. They had Eli and could rush the passer. The point is we're going to have holes just like every other team in the league. If and when RGIII excels at the QB position, the Skins will contend year in and year out and year out.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;930337]O line is more of a concern with all of the injuries. If we get banged up in the secondary like we are in the O line, then yeah we are screwed, but the D looked tight against Buffalo, so for now the O line is the only big concern. Those guys have our biggest investment to protect. If he goes down, so does our season.[/quote]

Are you saying the 'secondary [is] a secondary concern'?

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Hall playing safety is a concern. Why?

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[quote=44Deezel;930391]Giants were 28th in pass defense last year and dead last in rushing. They had Eli and could rush the passer. The point is we're going to have holes just like every other team in the league. If and when RGIII excels at the QB position, the Skins will contend year in and year out and year out.[/quote]

I'd be curious to get Giantone's take on this, but I feel that the Giants were able to generate a hell of a pass rush with their d-line alone. I feel that this helped them in protecting their secondary without having to send extra players on a blitz.

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[quote=44Deezel;930391]Giants were 28th in pass defense last year and dead last in rushing. They had Eli and could rush the passer. The point is we're going to have holes just like every other team in the league. If and when RGIII excels at the QB position, the Skins will contend year in and year out and year out.[/quote]

Yes they were, but from the point the Skins beat them and they dropped to 7-7 until they won the superbowl those numbers are very deceiving. When they went on that run their running game, and pass D stepped up big time. So my point is that its not only up to RG-3, and our D-line - but if and when the time comes for our o-line and secondary to step it up to the next level - they have to do so. Just like the Giants "holes" stepped it up.

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I'm skeptical about Cedric Griffin playing corner. The man was torched for 41 yards on the first play from scrimmage, I heard. I thought that the coaches would have him play safety but he could provide quality depth at corner. Maybe he just had a bad outing but I don't expect such poor play from a corner that used to play the Bears twice a year.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;932195]I'm skeptical about Cedric Griffin playing corner. The man was torched for 41 yards on the first play from scrimmage, I heard. I thought that the coaches would have him play safety but he could provide quality depth at corner. Maybe he just had a bad outing but I don't expect such poor play from a corner that used to play the Bears twice a year.[/quote]

Against Brandon Marshall and Jay Cutler dude. It wasnt Jake Locker and Kendall Wright. Keep some perspective.

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[quote=Monksdown;932207]Against Brandon Marshall and Jay Cutler dude. It wasnt Jake Locker and Kendall Wright. Keep some perspective.[/quote]

C. Griffin hasn't looked good in the past two games. It is the preseason and secondary is a weakness...but I'd like to see some improvement from him. As I said before, he's making the rest of the secondary player look good.

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[quote=Monksdown;932207]Against Brandon Marshall and Jay Cutler dude. It wasnt Jake Locker and Kendall Wright. Keep some perspective.[/quote]

We're in the NFC East and playing against the AFC North this season. We need guys who can play.

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[quote=Monksdown;932207]Against Brandon Marshall and Jay Cutler dude. It wasnt Jake Locker and Kendall Wright. Keep some perspective.[/quote]

It doesn't matter who the opposing QB and star wide receiver is, home boy. The fact of the matter is Cedric Griffin didn't play well. I know Brandon Marshall is one of the best wide outs in the NFL, but Griffin could have defended that play better than he did.

[QUOTE=GusFrerotte;930385]Outside of Hall, the pastfew seasons we have had a vanilla defensive backfield and we seem to alway be OK. The off line already being banged up has to be the bigger concern. Haslett and co will have a nice secondary in place come week 1.[/QUOTE]

Outside of the bears game hall hasnt exactly been chocolate......

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Someone please step up. We can't have Reed trying to cover people. He can tackle well, but that's it.

[IMG]http://www.sportsgeekery.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/texans-wp-3.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=GusFrerotte;930385]Outside of Hall, the pastfew seasons we have had a vanilla defensive backfield and we seem to alway be OK. The off line already being banged up has to be the bigger concern. Haslett and co will have a nice secondary in place come week 1.[/quote]

:doh:

So now playbooks AND roster lists have flavors?

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[quote=Monkeydad;932487]:doh:

So now playbooks AND roster lists have flavors?[/quote]

:laughing2

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;932241]It doesn't matter who the opposing QB and star wide receiver is, home boy. The fact of the matter is Cedric Griffin didn't play well. I know Brandon Marshall is one of the best wide outs in the NFL, but Griffin could have defended that play better than he did.[/quote]

I just dont understand why we're surprised that our 3rd db sucks against elite talent. We knew this was coming this season. We anticipated it. I said it a few weeks ago in a different thread. Our defense is going to give up a lot of big plays this year. Hopefully they stiffen up a bit in the redzone, but i wouldnt count on it. We'll stop the run, but big receivers will dominate us all year. Hopefully our OLB's improve from being Good to Great. That's really our only hope against the pass. Raheem is a good motivator, but you cant coach height and speed. Cedric's technique will likely improve by the end of the year, but at that point we'll be looking to address the situation via free agency.

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Elite WR are gonna make the play more times then not given 1 on 1 coverage, especially against the 3rd DB.

During regular season I doubt Cedric Griffin will be covering elite WRs 1 on 1.
(Heck I hope he's not even on the team)

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Like to see Crawford get some reps with the starters

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[quote=Chico23231;932520]Like to see Crawford get some reps with the starters[/quote]

me too bro, i smell upside.

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I'm all for that idea too. Put him on Reggie Wayne this week. Collie might be out, got hurt last game.

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[quote=Chico23231;932520]Like to see Crawford get some reps with the starters[/quote]

It appears that Crawford was a steal where the Redskins selected him. It makes you forget about Chase Minnefield.