Re: Redskins vs Rams Postgame Thread
 

In the poll for goat of the week I voted for Danny Smith. Without our second blocked punt in two weeks, we walk off the field with a W and none of the other crap (like Morgan) matters.

Re: Redskins vs Rams Postgame Thread
 

Haslett gets my vote. To let someone like Danny Amendola kill you to the tune of 15-160-1... just inexcusable. I know losing Rak hurts in terms of pressure, but Bradford had all day back there.

Re: Redskins vs Rams Postgame Thread
 

Haslett. If I'm not mistaken, a new NFL record for receptions in a half has been either tied or set this game by danny amendola. LOL. that is ridiculous and embarassing

Re: Redskins vs Rams Postgame Thread
 

What annoys me about this loss is that we were up 21-6, and it felt as if the rout was on.

Re: Redskins vs Rams Postgame Thread
 

if it wasn't for morgan we would have only had to kick from the 40, which is a hell of a lot better than the 50.. But the defense let us down, Sam picked us apart.

Re: Redskins vs Rams Postgame Thread
 

[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;941576]What annoys me about this loss is that we were up 21-6, and it felt as if the rout was on.[/quote]


Even all the rams fans were saying it was going to be an ass kicking after that TD pass to Hank, then like past skins teams our defesne just collapsed.

Re: Redskins vs Rams Postgame Thread
 

[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;941576]What annoys me about this loss is that we were up 21-6, and it felt as if the rout was on.[/quote]

Yeah. I was starting to get comfy on the couch. Then we let 'em off the hook.

Re: Redskins vs Rams Postgame Thread
 

I voted "Other" come on give the Rams some credit, they were fired up coming off a game they probably should have won, but didn't, and Sam Bradford had the best game of his career, it doesn't help the Skins that the Rams media and fans have spent the last week lamenting trading the RGIII pick, and insinuating that Bradford is a bust.

Basically through no fault of the Skins, the rams were ultra fired up, and extra motivated.

The D gave up too many points, but they pay the other guys to play too, and the fact is, the D made a lot of plays.

A LOT OF PLAYS.

The only "scape goat" is Snyderatto, yes three years later (and probably for a couple years to come)... For leaving Shanahan with a ultra thin defense who's best starters were Laron Musclehead "I pick da weight up, and I put da weight down" Landry and Carlos "oh cheating on the eye chart isn't a good idea you say? So I should get contacts? Okay new team, I'll do that, but first let me talk crap about my last team that I was stealing pay checks from" Rodgers.

When a 5th round pick from last year, and the Ravens Ex-2nd string CB are better than anyone left from the Snyderatto "era" you know who your scape goat is. I know it's hard for some fans to fathom how decisions made further back than the last draft and free agent signing period could possible effect the team today... But hey if it's any consolation, Vinny and Danny ALSO couldn't fathom that anything past the next draft and free agency were important either... But I guess that's not much consolation. Sorry.

Re: Redskins vs Rams Postgame Thread
 

I think it's way past time to be blaming Vinny.

Allen and Shanahan have had 3 offseasons now to rebuild the team. It's their regime and their team now.

Re: Redskins vs Rams Postgame Thread
 

[quote=Mattyk;941591]I think it's way past time to be blaming Vinny.

Allen and Shanahan have had 3 offseasons now to rebuild the team. It's their regime and their team now.[/quote]

But the proof is just right there plain as the nose on your face... The secondary is thin as hell and the starters are mostly pretty bad, meanwhile they have had basically zero real chance to upgrade the starters (considering they've addressed so many other areas of the team) and are still forced to employ guys like Hall and Doughty.

3 offseasons is an eternity to fans, but this isn't Madden franchise mode.

Re: Redskins vs Rams Postgame Thread
 

I think what happens is everyone thinks we're better than we are after the big win last week. This is still not a playoff team. We have some holes and they were exposed yesterday.

Re: Redskins vs Rams Postgame Thread
 

I was there at the game. Nothing is more frustrating is to listen to a bunch of Fake Rams fans, yelling and screaming like they won the Superbowl after the Redskins gave them a Christmas present. Where was the defense? Receivers were wide open and the tackling sucked. Steven Jackson was benched and they let a second and third string back run all over them. Bradford had all day and delivered. I think the offense operated fairly well in a hostile environment. It is very loud and intimidating in the dome. But the two biggest mistakes was the blocked punt and Josh Morgan dumb-ass play. The punter is too slow with his delivery. He will get blocked again. I would be looking for another punter. I don't know how you punish Josh Morgan. That dumb-ass play was uncalled for. The game was totally out of hand and Roger G. needs to bring back the regular refs ASAP. The Rams knew they could get under the Redskins chin and were pushing their buttons all day. I lot of the crap was happening during TV timeouts and I don't know if you guys saw that watching TV. 9 times out of 10, the Rams were the instigators.

Re: Redskins vs Rams Postgame Thread
 

[quote=44 goes 50 gut;941597]But the proof is just right there plain as the nose on your face... The secondary is thin as hell and the starters are mostly pretty bad, meanwhile they have had basically zero real chance to upgrade the starters (considering they've addressed so many other areas of the team) and are still forced to employ guys like Hall and Doughty.

3 offseasons is an eternity to fans, but this isn't Madden franchise mode.[/quote]

huge mistake not resigning Carlos, but I believe it was the scheme vs the talent yesterday.

Plus Bradford looks like a different QB, he looks like the real deal the first 2 weeks of the season.

Re: Redskins vs Rams Postgame Thread
 

[quote=skinsfan69;941599]I think what happens is everyone thinks we're better than we are after the big win last week. This is still not a playoff team. We have some holes and they were exposed yesterday.[/quote]


yes, like our horrible DB play, 8-8 is still my expectations

Re: Redskins vs Rams Postgame Thread
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;941602]yes, like our horrible DB play, 8-8 is still my expectations[/quote]

I would like to see more Crawford less Griffin.

Re: Redskins vs Rams Postgame Thread
 

[quote=44 goes 50 gut;941597]But the proof is just right there plain as the nose on your face... The secondary is thin as hell and the starters are mostly pretty bad, meanwhile they have had basically zero real chance to upgrade the starters (considering they've addressed so many other areas of the team) and are still forced to employ guys like Hall and Doughty.

3 offseasons is an eternity to fans, but this isn't Madden franchise mode.[/quote]

I'm not buying it, sorry. 3 offseasons has been enough time for them to almost completely turn over the roster. At this point blaming Vinny who last made a decision for this team in 2009 rings a little hollow to me.

Re: Redskins vs Rams Postgame Thread
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;941604]I would like to see more Crawford less Griffin.[/quote]


CG is so bad

Re: Redskins vs Rams Postgame Thread
 

[quote=Mattyk;941612]I'm not buying it, sorry. 3 offseasons has been enough time for them to almost completely turn over the roster. At this point blaming Vinny who last made a decision for this team in 2009 rings a little hollow to me.[/quote]

*shrug* well I disagree, probably take this aspect of the discussion up in the newly posted secondary thread so I don't derail here.

Re: Redskins vs Rams Postgame Thread
 

[quote=Chico23231;941601]huge mistake not resigning Carlos, but I believe it was the scheme vs the talent yesterday.

Plus Bradford looks like a different QB, he looks like the real deal the first 2 weeks of the season.[/quote]

Before we crown Bradford, Hasslettusdown loves turning mediocre players into first ballot HOFer's.

My bad Chico i meant to put this on someone else's quote

Re: Redskins vs Rams Postgame Thread
 

[quote=Chico23231;941601]huge mistake not resigning Carlos, but I believe it was the scheme vs the talent yesterday.

Plus Bradford looks like a different QB, he looks like the real deal the first 2 weeks of the season.[/quote]

(Rodgers subject Taken up in the secondary thread) Agree on Bradford, he was playing with a chip on his shoulder after his sophomore slump, and all the Rams media and forums talk centered around lamenting RGIII. Bad timing for the Skins... Simple as that.

Rams fans got a very good QB, but like Skins fans they didn't want to wait a couple years before they start making judgments...

Re: Redskins vs Rams Postgame Thread
 

[quote=CrustyRedskin;941630]Before we crown Bradford, Hasslettusdown loves turning mediocre players into first ballot HOFer's[/quote]

Can you not see the guys Skillset? I presume you watched him at least three times in the three Skins vs Rams game he's appeared in? Even if you've never seen another Rams highlight you should be able to see his obvious talent.

Re: Redskins vs Rams Postgame Thread
 

[quote=CrustyRedskin;941630]Before we crown Bradford, Hasslettusdown loves turning mediocre players into first ballot HOFer's.[/quote]Before we got RG3 I would have killed to have Bradford under center here.

He's not a scrub.

Re: Redskins vs Rams Postgame Thread
 

I seen him throwing to wide open receivers all day. Yeah that was pure greatness.

Re: Redskins vs Rams Postgame Thread
 

[quote=CrustyRedskin;941630]Before we crown Bradford, [B]Hasslettusdown[/B] loves turning mediocre players into first ballot HOFer's.

My bad Chico i meant to put this on someone else's quote[/quote]

Weak. Whoever came up with that nickname is trying too hard.

Re: Redskins vs Rams Postgame Thread
 

This will cheer everyone up!

[url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2012/9/17/3346026/recapping-the-redskins-loss-to-rams-with-seinfeld-animated-gifs]Recapping the Redskins Loss to Rams With Seinfeld Animated Gifs - Hogs Haven[/url]

Re: Redskins vs Rams Postgame Thread
 

[quote=44 goes 50 gut;941632]Can you not see the guys Skillset? I presume you watched him at least three times in the three Skins vs Rams game he's appeared in? Even if you've never seen another Rams highlight you should be able to see his obvious talent.[/quote]

You have to take into account his throwing time, they had amazing pass protection yesterday. It doesn't mean he isn't good, but the time he had to throw has to be factored in. He isn't mobile, and we didn't hit him nearly enough. There is no excuse for that, when you consider how average their offensive line is.

Re: Redskins vs Rams Postgame Thread
 

[quote=CrustyRedskin;941630]Before we crown Bradford, Hasslettusdown loves turning mediocre players into first ballot HOFer's.

My bad Chico i meant to put this on someone else's quote[/quote]\

Let's not forget that Sam Bradford was the first pick of the draft a few years ago. He is a talented guy who has nothing around him.

Re: Redskins vs Rams Postgame Thread
 

[quote=CrustyRedskin;941635]I seen him throwing to wide open receivers all day. Yeah that was pure greatness.[/quote]

well that's what he's paid to do. hit the open guy. :doh:

Re: Redskins vs Rams Postgame Thread
 

Bradford is no scrub that's for sure. Gotta give him credit he got the job done.

Re: Redskins vs Rams Postgame Thread
 

[quote=CrustyRedskin;941635]I seen him throwing to wide open receivers all day. Yeah that was pure greatness.[/quote]Yeah, he carved up the secondary like a Thanksgiving turkey, and we never adjusted to it.

Was he not supposed to do that? :confused-

Re: Redskins vs Rams Postgame Thread
 

I just think it was more poor defensive game planning and adjustments than Bradfords qb ability.

Re: Redskins vs Rams Postgame Thread
 

Mike Pereira, the ref guy for the league, showed how when Fisher challenged the Stephen Jackson play that not only was the red flag a 15 yard penalty, since the challenge flag was thrown before the challenge was initiated upstairs the challenge is then disallowed and the call on the field must stand. The call was fumble and we got the ball. Instead the Rams kept the ball and kicked the field goal... we lost by 3 points...

Re: Redskins vs Rams Postgame Thread
 

Normally, I tend to blame the team for losses, even with a bad call because the team has already put itself in the position of one bad call losing the game...but that was THE WORST-OFFICIATED GAME I HAVE EVER WATCHED. All game long. It hurt both teams but we were definitely on the short end more often.

It was embarrassing. The NFL needs to do whatever they can to get the real refs back NOW. It's hurting their product more than anything else could.

With the bad refs combined with a dirty Rams team (Finnegan and Fisher), this game turned into a hockey game early on...fights, frustration...all fueled by the blatantly-bad and missed calls. These refs also seemed afraid to break anything up between the players.

The worst was that cheap shot on Fletcher, but he avenged it on the next play.

Re: Redskins vs Rams Postgame Thread
 

[quote=mooby;941636]Weak. Whoever came up with that nickname is trying too hard.[/quote]

Comes pretty easy after yesterdays debacle.I just wished one time he looked like he gives a Sh#$%^t.

Re: Redskins vs Rams Postgame Thread
 

[quote=Monkeydad;941660]Normally, I tend to blame the team for losses, even with a bad call because the team has already put itself in the position of one bad call losing the game...but that was THE WORST-OFFICIATED GAME I HAVE EVER WATCHED. All game long. It hurt both teams but we were definitely on the short end more often.

It was embarrassing. The NFL needs to do whatever they can to get the real refs back NOW. It's hurting their product more than anything else could.

With the bad refs combined with a dirty Rams team (Finnegan and Fisher), this game turned into a hockey game early on...fights, frustration...all fueled by the blatantly-bad and missed calls. These refs also seemed afraid to break anything up between the players.

The worst was that cheap shot on Fletcher, but he avenged it on the next play.[/quote]

Usually my motto is that good teams find a way to win despite officiating, but yesterday's game is completely different. Can't excuse how those officials lost control of the game.

[QUOTE=mredskins;941659]Mike Pereira, the ref guy for the league, showed how when Fisher challenged the Stephen Jackson play that not only was the red flag a 15 yard penalty, since the challenge flag was thrown before the challenge was initiated upstairs the challenge is then disallowed and the call on the field must stand. The call was fumble and we got the ball. Instead the Rams kept the ball and kicked the field goal... we lost by 3 points...[/QUOTE]

That is definitely true. What pissed me off more then anything was how many times a Ram player would push after the whistle, lay on a player for an excessive time,mouth off constantly or the 3-4 blows to the head.

The real refs would've stopped that early by throwing a flag each time. These non calls changed how the game was played from our side. They just missed the standard calls over and over again. Very frustrating game to watch...

Re: Redskins vs Rams Postgame Thread
 

I said on here a while ago, but I had the feeling every game is going to be a shootout for us this year. It's going to come down to RGIII outscoring our own secondary all season long. I love our offense. 40 and 28 points scored...we haven't seen this kind of scoring for ages. However, we've given up 32 and 31 points too.

Yesterday doesn't damper my excitement about this year's team at all though. We will still be dramatically better than last year.

I'm more angry about yesterday's game than disappointed or worried about the team. They played with a fire I haven't seen from the Redskins before. They were definitely furious about the refs and getting sick of the Rams' dirty tactics and cheap shots that the refs were allowing. Morgan's outburst was inexcusable but it was just a result of 60 minutes of frustration...we were playing against the Rams and the refs. I love the passion that Shanahan coaches with. He sticks up for his guys, even got in the middle of a brawl on the sidelines once.

I said to my wife during the game, "Coach Gibbs would never have allowed his team to behave this way, but I'm not saying it's a bad thing, I'm glad to see them fighting and caring about the game for once."

Janoris Jenkins and Cortland Finnegan are nothing but instigators....they've pulled some crap two weeks in a row. Fisher is an enabler too.

Re: Redskins vs Rams Postgame Thread
 

[quote=CrustyRedskin;941663]Comes pretty easy after yesterdays debacle.I just wished one time he looked like he gives a Sh#$%^t.[/quote]

If he looked like he was giving a shit but we were still losing games in the fashion we lost yesterday would it actually make you feel better?

Re: Redskins vs Rams Postgame Thread
 

[quote=Mattyk;941545][url=http://washingtonexaminer.com/rams-31-redskins-28-ten-observations/article/2508197#.UFcS1EL1CWg]Rams 31, Redskins 28: Ten observations | WashingtonExaminer.com[/url][/quote]


Good points by Keim. Especially these two points.


[quote]4. Man, a lot of angry topics tonight. This one: special teams. Nobody draws more negative tweets on the coaching staff than Danny Smith. It’s the nature of the position; if there’s a hold on offense no one calls for Kyle Shanahan’s job. But with so few plays on special teams in comparison, perfection is demanded. I get it. Smith has a good reputation around the league and has been sought after by other teams. All that being said, he deserves whatever heat comes his way right now because his unit has allowed two punts to be blocked after a season in which five field goals were blocked. Each one is explainable, but this is a bottom line business and the bottom line is that this keeps happening. Based on how the roster is put together I’m not sure how much consideration is truly given to special teams – look at how many receivers don’t play it, for example. That’s how you have DeAngelo Hall ‘volunteering’ for special teams. Yeah, that deserves quote marks. But that’s not to absolve Smith. This is his unit and he’s paid a lot of money to make it work. By the way, on the punt block, Perry Riley appeared to be the guilty party. Last week it was backup linebacker Chris Wilson who made the mistake. That’s the troubling part, it keeps happening to different players.

5. I’ve never seen a returner get up and slap the ball, as if he were thiiiis close to breaking a long return as Brandon Banks. I admire his confidence but man. It’s almost every time. Need to ask him about this; it’s not a criticism but it is something that’s noticeable. Oh, and you know a game will turn on one of his fumbles, right? It’s happening too much anymore.[/quote]

So spot on with the Banks thing. Dude acts like every run he does is so close to breaking free, but that's hardly the case. Not even close to breaking any.

Re: Redskins vs Rams Postgame Thread
 

[quote=44 goes 50 gut;941629]*shrug* well I disagree, probably take this aspect of the discussion up in the newly posted secondary thread so I don't derail here.[/quote]

I reluctantly agree with Matty (as much as I liked blaming Vinny for everything, including global warming, and felt justified in doing so). Too many examples of coaches and GMs making turnarounds with little depth. Look at SF. Heck, I will bet the Rams finish near .500 this year. We have more talent on the roster than was displayed yesterday, and that is significantly on the coaching staff. I was "watching" the game on NFL.com, and I was struck by how many times with 3rd and 6, we'd get 5 yards. We had a LOT of 4th and 1 punts yesterday, and that's on Kyle and Mike. The special teams' debacles are too frequent, and that's on Danny. Our secondary was eaten alive -- that is on Raheem and Haslett (how we couldn't generate more pressure is beyond me). They may not be a strong unit, but the Rams have a very good QB and basically 1 receiver, and we could do nothing to stop them.

To be clear, there are individual failures aplenty to point out as well -- Morgan's dumb penalty, Robinson's drop; the list isn't short. And the refs did not distinguish themselves.

But the bottom line is that we've got an electrifying new QB who played reasonably well, but he needs folks (other than London "Mr. Consistency" Fletcher) around him to step up. And no one did yesterday. In his press conference, Griffin lamented the pick. Sure it wasn't a great pass, but he ran for 2 TDs and threw for the 3rd (and the other one was a defensive score). But we should still be competitive even if Griffin throws the occasional pick (which he will do).

We just have to play with more heart -- especially on D. If we can pick up a W against Cincy, that will be a nice way to bounce back from a disappointing loss.