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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2012/09/19/redskins-give-contract-extensions-to-coaches-jim-haslett-danny-smith/]Redskins give contract extensions to coaches Jim Haslett, Danny Smith[/url]

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[quote=stacks42;942549][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2012/09/19/redskins-give-contract-extensions-to-coaches-jim-haslett-danny-smith/]redskins give contract extensions to coaches jim haslett, danny smith[/url][/quote]

wtf?!

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HogHaven, ES, WaPo,Myself...we all share about 95% of the same sources. and I think we've all heard different things in spite of that. I haven't heard that Haslett's gone after this year, though I know others have. I do know that Raheem has given the appearance of being in control of the D since he arrived but that could be as much about personality as anything else

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[quote=RGIII;942551]wtf?![/quote]Old news. Extensions done last offseason.

OTOH, plenty of coaches have been fired while under contract. You just have to keep paying them their guaranteed money.

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Radio Raheem has more of a say in the secondary play call and in turn more of a say in the entire defensive play calling then the past Db coach. That is all you are seeing. No need to go into panic mode.

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[quote=NC_Skins;942548]It wasn't just a "bad half". Seven out of the past nine games our opponents have put up 30 points (or very close to it).


Cowboys - 27
Jets - 34
Patriots - 34
Vikings - 33
Eagles - 34
Saints - 32
Rams - 31

Haslett was on notice the moment Shanny went out and grabbed Morris without Jim even aware of it. (or no say so either)[/quote]

Oh yes, that juggernaut offense with Rex Grossman at the helm throwing picks, not converting on third down, and leaving our defense out on the field for extended periods.
Of course you could counter with our running game improving (one of the best down the stretch). I would counter that with something else.
But as we all learned, Haslett was given a contract extension. He's not going anywhere. We are they New York Jets and give contract extensions when we insult someone in house, a la Mark Sanchez.

Here's a question... Does it even really matter?? Our d sucks anyway

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[quote=skinsfaninok;942558]Here's a question... Does it even really matter?? Our d sucks anyway[/quote]

I disagree, it's better than last year, even the secondary. The problem is Haslett not knowing how to adjust.

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[quote=SBXVII;942513]Any chance we can pray the Jets have an awful season and Rex gets fired, and then we can replace Haz with Rex next year?[/quote]

Well with Haz's feet to the fire, my guess is Morris would get the first shot. I dont know how Rex would fare down here with persona, he would def step on some toes and be constantly removing his foot from his mouth.

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[quote=Stacks42;942549][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2012/09/19/redskins-give-contract-extensions-to-coaches-jim-haslett-danny-smith/]Redskins give contract extensions to coaches Jim Haslett, Danny Smith[/url][/quote]


Remember, they also gave McNabb a big contract extension right after he was benched...lol


[quote=aircoryell;942557]But as we all learned, Haslett was given a contract extension. He's not going anywhere. We are they New York Jets and give contract extensions when we insult someone in house, a la Mark Sanchez.[/quote]


McNabb got a contract extension too and he wasn't going anywhere either...oh..wait.

[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;942560]I disagree, it's better than last year, even the secondary. The problem is Haslett not knowing how to adjust.[/QUOTE]

No rak will make us worse than last year. I hope we get it turned around but I just don't see the talent in the secondary

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I think the Redskins defensive talent is above average even though they have a few holes in some positions. Haslett has enough talent and enough time to put something better than what he had against the Rams. The main thing is - Haslett has to put the players in position to make plays because even in the Rams game, the players made impact plays when they were given an opportunity.

I don't think it's a good idea to replace him now, but there needs to be some sign of improvement in the Bengals game that shows that he can coach.

The Rams loss was all on Haslett with preparation, game-plan, and in game adjustments.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;942563]No rak will make us worse than last year. I hope we get it turned around but I just don't see the talent in the secondary[/quote]

Yes, orakpo is a big loss but a rotation of Wilson, Jackson and white will surprise. As for the secondary we have the same guys as last year, look at Gomes he's better, Wilson is playing better, meriweather is better than not having Atogwe or Landry, Crawford so far looks better than Westbrook. Our weak links are griffin, Williams and Hall. Hell, even Hall is playing better.

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[quote=NC_Skins;942562]Remember, they also gave McNabb a big contract extension right after he was benched...lol





McNabb got a contract extension too and he wasn't going anywhere either...oh..wait.[/quote]

The contract with exercisable option after the first year? No one, including McNabb, though that was going to run its course. So that's a weak argument to lean on.

I just want to point out, coming from the other skins board, it's refreshing to be able to argue these points with others who are able to articulate their point without spiraling into name calling. I had moved idea adults watched football anymore.

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I think Haslett let the Saints performance and post-game hype distract him. He needs to focus and also needs a Plan B and Plan C just in case Plan A wasn't working as expected. I don't think he was expecting Amendola to set a record in the first half, so obviously his game-plan wasn't working.

Another thing that I've observed is - Haslett's defense gets softer relative with when the Redskins are leading.

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Just thinking about it now and after reading John Keim's ten observations article on the rams game - I think it is the case where Haslett's strategy is to play softer defense when they are in the lead. In the article, Keim says that some players felt last year, the "rules" of the defense changed too often.

This may explain why opposing teams like the Rams are able to come from behind and win against the redskins. After it was 21-6 in the first half, the game should have been out of reach for the Rams - if the Redskins would have been more aggressive rather than playing soft.

They are all professionals and so if it did happen i dont think it was with half as much of the drama that we all make it out to be on here. Personally i think they should just can his ass now and give morris the job. Wouldnt be the first time haslettusdownagain has been sent packing.

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[quote=warriorzpath;942575]I think Haslett let the Saints performance and post-game hype distract him. He needs to focus and also needs a Plan B and Plan C just in case Plan A wasn't working as expected. I don't think he was expecting Amendola to set a record in the first half, so obviously his game-plan wasn't working.

Another thing that I've observed is - Haslett's defense gets softer relative with when the Redskins are leading.[/quote]

Would have been nice to blitz the shit out of Bradford eh? Would have loved to have done that, maybe gotten a few more turnovers and/or short fields. Not saying do that all the time, but maybe try that when you're up by two scores and see how it works? If they score on you quickly, THEN you readjust.

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Need for stability and foresight. I hoped this FO was different from the old regime.

[QUOTE=RGIII;942586]Need for stability and foresight. I hoped this FO was different from the old regime.[/QUOTE]

Well being different from the old regime also means getting people in and around the team that know wtf they are doing.

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Back in February, or whenever he told that person about the Redskins going after RGIII, he put the last nail in his coffin. From what I remember they brought in Morris to get an understanding of the 3-4 with Haslett, and they'd fire him at the end of the season.

From what I'm also hearing, Haslett never got an extension, story is false.

[QUOTE=InsaneBoost;942590]Back in February, or whenever he told that person about the Redskins going after RGIII, he put the last nail in his coffin. From what I remember they brought in Morris to get an understanding of the 3-4 with Haslett, and they'd fire him at the end of the season.

From what I'm also hearing, Haslett never got an extension, story is false.[/QUOTE]

Forgot about that. See i knew it wasnt just the look on his face that appeared dumb.

[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;942573]Yes, orakpo is a big loss but a rotation of Wilson, Jackson and white will surprise. As for the secondary we have the same guys as last year, look at Gomes he's better, Wilson is playing better, meriweather is better than not having Atogwe or Landry, Crawford so far looks better than Westbrook. Our weak links are griffin, Williams and Hall. Hell, even Hall is playing better.[/QUOTE]

Hall read Sam the other day and he dropped it like Carlos lol. But im one of the few hall fans I think

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Yep, A lot of people have put blame on Haslett for his gameplan, but what people don't realize is we are thin int he secondary so we have to keep 4 LB's on the field as we did against the Rams. When Wilson went down it got even worse. So that means, Riley would of been in man coverage with one of the WR's if you wanted to Rush your two best Pass rushers in Rak, and Kerrigan.

So for people to assume that Haslett is a terrible coach is kinda a stretch. He's no hall of famer, but with the average secondary that is also injury ridden is something that hurts us more then Haslett's gameplan. Not many DC's can overcome the obstacle we have at the moment..

[QUOTE=Bucket;942596]Yep, A lot of people have put blame on Haslett for his gameplan, but what people don't realize is we are thin int he secondary so we have to keep 4 LB's on the field as we did against the Rams. When Wilson went down it got even worse. So that means, Riley would of been in man coverage with one of the WR's if you wanted to Rush your two best Pass rushers in Rak, and Kerrigan.

So for people to assume that Haslett is a terrible coach is kinda a stretch. He's no hall of famer, but with the average secondary that is also injury ridden is something that hurts us more then Haslett's gameplan. Not many DC's can overcome the obstacle we have at the moment..[/QUOTE]

Jim is that you?

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no offense, but the 4th quarter D didn't really look any better than the first 3.

it's whatever, but losing orakpo and carriker doesn't make fixing the D any easier.

also, I don't really know why danny smith is here though when we have blocked kicks on a weekly basis and the guy he fought for fumbling and muffing returns at least once per game. our STs are kinda awful.

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I just watch the NFL network replay and this is what I saw:

Lots of cushion by the DB's
Griffin the CB had a bad game
Rams OL got away with lots of holding
Refs were horrendous
Tackling by the defense in general was horrendous lots of mistackles
No anticipation by the defense on lots of plays (bad coaching)
Fred Davis dropped like 3 balls
Robinson dropping the deep ball (something was mentioned by the lights on the dome causing it)
Blocked punt changed the game
No one covering on Mulligan's TD in the endzone
easy 2 pt. conversion given
Overall the skins were in the game, a bonehead play by Morgan, a bad decision to go for a 62 yard field goal after initially looking like they were going for the first down.

Next week they kick ass on the Bengals.

[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;942606]I just watch the NFL network replay and this is what I saw:

Lots of cushion by the DB's
Griffin the CB had a bad game
Rams OL got away with lots of holding
Refs were horrendous
Tackling by the defense in general was horrendous lots of mistackles
No anticipation by the defense on lots of plays (bad coaching)
Fred Davis dropped like 3 balls
Robinson dropping the deep ball (something was mentioned by the lights on the dome causing it)
Blocked punt changed the game
No one covering on Mulligan's TD in the endzone
easy 2 pt. conversion given
Overall the skins were in the game, a bonehead play by Morgan, a bad decision to go for a 62 yard field goal after initially looking like they were going for the first down.

Next week they kick ass on the Bengals.[/QUOTE]

Thanks Alot for the recap. I had almost blocked (no pun intended) most of it out of my mind. Lol. Agreed about next week.

Regardless of how bad he was doing you never change play calling mid game. In the 2nd game of the season! This is clowntown status if true.

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[quote=InsaneBoost;942590]Back in February, or whenever he told that person about the Redskins going after RGIII, he put the last nail in his coffin. From what I remember they brought in Morris to get an understanding of the 3-4 with Haslett, and they'd fire him at the end of the season.

From what I'm also hearing, Haslett never got an extension, story is false.[/quote]

Well I don't believe that at all. I have serious doubts that Shanny would come out and bold face lie about an extension for his DC. That's really hard to believe.

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[quote=punch it in;942598]Jim is that you?[/quote]

No it's not. It's a realistic fan. I'm not defending Jim Has. I'm simply stating what happen against the Rams.

You want to rush your best Pass Rush... IE - Rak and Kerrigan, now put together all of our active secondary, and remember that they are human beings, and not robots so they need breathers etc. Now put together a scheme that involves having your best Pass rushers on the field, and a solid secondary...

When they come out in 4 WR's which they did almost 70% of the game. You cant throw all 4-5 DB's in Man coverage. You need a zone over top.. So who do you put man on in the secondary w/o pulling Rak or Kerrigan to do so? Would lay on Riley, and Fletcher to cover slot's, and TE's.

Now, would I of started putting Hall on there biggest threat in the slot in man, and work coverages around? Sure, it sounds simply but most defenses are run around scheme's and coverages.. If you are running a Cover 2 Tampa, then you can just say.. Hey, let's man up on the slot, and leave a hole in the zone.

Redskins were caught off gaurd from the sleeper slot WR this game, and never recovered because we didn't have the man power to adapt without crippling our pass rush even more.. We switched to our deepest DB set when Rak got a hurt a few times, and pulled Jackson which resulted in Bradford changing the play at the line and the RB running through holes as big as a truck.

One of our biggest issues against the Rams was Gholston getting abused, and the lack of pass rush because of Bradfords quick releases.

All the blame doesn't go on our DC. It can be evenly distributed to our secondary talent, depth, injuries, Haslett, and other factors..

Bottom line is we can't stop many people atm with our defense the way it is, and won't be able to stop many teams that have speedie slot WR's.

I wouldn't be surprised if AJ Green had 200 yards receiving this week.

[QUOTE=Bucket;942613]No it's not. It's a realistic fan. I'm not defending Jim Has. I'm simply stating what happen against the Rams.

You want to rush your best Pass Rush... IE - Rak and Kerrigan, now put together all of our active secondary, and remember that they are human beings, and not robots so they need breathers etc. Now put together a scheme that involves having your best Pass rushers on the field, and a solid secondary...

When they come out in 4 WR's which they did almost 70% of the game. You cant throw all 4-5 DB's in Man coverage. You need a zone over top.. So who do you put man on in the secondary w/o pulling Rak or Kerrigan to do so? Would lay on Riley, and Fletcher to cover slot's, and TE's.

Now, would I of started putting Hall on there biggest threat in the slot in man, and work coverages around? Sure, it sounds simply but most defenses are run around scheme's and coverages.. If you are running a Cover 2 Tampa, then you can just say.. Hey, let's man up on the slot, and leave a hole in the zone.

Redskins were caught off gaurd from the sleeper slot WR this game, and never recovered because we didn't have the man power to adapt without crippling our pass rush even more.. We switched to our deepest DB set when Rak got a hurt a few times, and pulled Jackson which resulted in Bradford changing the play at the line and the RB running through holes as big as a truck.

One of our biggest issues against the Rams was Gholston getting abused, and the lack of pass rush because of Bradfords quick releases.

All the blame doesn't go on our DC. It can be evenly distributed to our secondary talent, depth, injuries, Haslett, and other factors..

Bottom line is we can't stop many people atm with our defense the way it is, and won't be able to stop many teams that have speedie slot WR's.

I wouldn't be surprised if AJ Green had 200 yards receiving this week.[/QUOTE]

Well if you blame Haslett (even partly) than what could he have done because according to your stance on things he simply had no options?
I do not think that we are the least talented or leAst deep secondary in the league and i do not think you will see danny amendola have a game like that ever again so i am going to say again that the scheme was piss poor.

[QUOTE=Bucket;942613]No it's not. It's a realistic fan. I'm not defending Jim Has. I'm simply stating what happen against the Rams.

You want to rush your best Pass Rush... IE - Rak and Kerrigan, now put together all of our active secondary, and remember that they are human beings, and not robots so they need breathers etc. Now put together a scheme that involves having your best Pass rushers on the field, and a solid secondary...

When they come out in 4 WR's which they did almost 70% of the game. You cant throw all 4-5 DB's in Man coverage. You need a zone over top.. So who do you put man on in the secondary w/o pulling Rak or Kerrigan to do so? Would lay on Riley, and Fletcher to cover slot's, and TE's.

Now, would I of started putting Hall on there biggest threat in the slot in man, and work coverages around? Sure, it sounds simply but most defenses are run around scheme's and coverages.. If you are running a Cover 2 Tampa, then you can just say.. Hey, let's man up on the slot, and leave a hole in the zone.

Redskins were caught off gaurd from the sleeper slot WR this game, and never recovered because we didn't have the man power to adapt without crippling our pass rush even more.. We switched to our deepest DB set when Rak got a hurt a few times, and pulled Jackson which resulted in Bradford changing the play at the line and the RB running through holes as big as a truck.

One of our biggest issues against the Rams was Gholston getting abused, and the lack of pass rush because of Bradfords quick releases.

All the blame doesn't go on our DC. It can be evenly distributed to our secondary talent, depth, injuries, Haslett, and other factors..

Bottom line is we can't stop many people atm with our defense the way it is, and won't be able to stop many teams that have speedie slot WR's.

I wouldn't be surprised if AJ Green had 200 yards receiving this week.[/QUOTE]

And also its not like bradford is a threat to run so make him beat you by making throws into tite coverage atleast and forget about pressure pressure pressure. I mean it took all of 3 seconds to see the zone was not working. Was a game of can rak get to sam before sam throws to danny. Any other dc would have laid off and said ok were going to make you earn those yards by throwing into coverage atleast. Even if you give him time to do so by rushing three it is better than what haslett did. We kept giving them ten or twelve yard passes to a wide open guy and they kept taking it. Haslett was being so damn stubborn. The rams must have been laughing to themselves.

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[quote=punch it in;942619]Well if you blame Haslett (even partly) than what could he have done because according to your stance on things he simply had no options?
I do not think that we are the least talented or leAst deep secondary in the league and i do not think you will see danny amendola have a game like that ever again so i am going to say again that the scheme was piss poor.[/quote]

Contradiction...

We are one of the least "deep" and talented in the league, and you may not see Amendola have a better game then this because there are better secondary's that'll be able to man up and jam him off the line.

Haslett didn't have many options.. I don't know what he could of done besides play man across the board, and hope for the best. Even then, I don't see Riley being able to man up on the slot all game.

If it was ME. I would of brought in Crawford to man up Amendola in rotation w/ Hall and run a Over Man at the top. Still wouldn't of stopped the quick throws, but at least we could made Bradford think about it.

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[quote=InsaneBoost;942590]Back in February, or whenever he told that person about the Redskins going after RGIII, he put the last nail in his coffin. From what I remember they brought in Morris to get an understanding of the 3-4 with Haslett, and they'd fire him at the end of the season.

From what I'm also hearing, Haslett never got an extension, story is false.[/quote]

See I had always thought Haslett's original deal was thru '13

[QUOTE=Bucket;942621]Contradiction...

We are one of the least "deep" and talented in the league, and you may not see Amendola have a better game then this because there are better secondary's that'll be able to man up and jam him off the line.

Haslett didn't have many options.. I don't know what he could of done besides play man across the board, and hope for the best. Even then, I don't see Riley being able to man up on the slot all game.

If it was ME. I would of brought in Crawford to man up Amendola in rotation w/ Hall and run a Over Man at the top. Still wouldn't of stopped the quick throws, but at least we could made Bradford think about it.[/QUOTE]

My point was that we arent the worst secondary in football and amedola wont have a game like that against lesser ones. Therefore it is hasletts fault and i agree with having hall / crawford rotate in slot and playing man across board. Haslett though stuck to his guns for far too long.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;942606]I just watch the NFL network replay and this is what I saw:

Lots of cushion by the DB's
Griffin the CB had a bad game
Rams OL got away with lots of holding
Refs were horrendous
Tackling by the defense in general was horrendous lots of mistackles
No anticipation by the defense on lots of plays (bad coaching)
Fred Davis dropped like 3 balls
Robinson dropping the deep ball (something was mentioned by the lights on the dome causing it)
[B]Blocked punt changed the game[/B]No one covering on Mulligan's TD in the endzone
easy 2 pt. conversion given
Overall the skins were in the game, a bonehead play by Morgan, a bad decision to go for a 62 yard field goal after initially looking like they were going for the first down.

Next week they kick ass on the Bengals.[/quote]

We've been talking all week at work about this, the block punt WAS the most important play in the game. In fact, the RG3 Int was the second most important play in the game. The Aldrick Robinson drop the 3rd. The Morgan play is over rated and everyone been pointing to it. Cundiff was not a gurantee to make the game tieing kick.

Just going back and looking at the plays, we committed a ton of errors on the field. Take out the block punt, RG3 Int and the Robinson drop, we probably win 13-17 points minimum and were not crushing Haslett all week.

This is still a young team, trying to come together as a group. Gotta give it a lil more time.

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[quote=Chico23231;942655]We've been talking all week at work about this, the block punt WAS the most important play in the game. In fact, the RG3 Int was the second most important play in the game. The Aldrick Robinson drop the 3rd. The Morgan play is over rated and everyone been pointing to it. Cundiff was not a gurantee to make the game tieing kick.

Just going back and looking at the plays, we committed a ton of errors on the field. Take out the block punt, RG3 Int and the Robinson drop, we probably win 13-17 points minimum and were not crushing Haslett all week.

This is still a young team, trying to come together as a group. Gotta give it a lil more time.[/quote]

I agree with you. The blocked punt was the biggest play, not some of the others that people are talking about. Take away that play and we likely come home with a W.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/20/redskins-gave-jim-haslett-a-contract-extension/]Redskins gave Jim Haslett a contract extension | ProFootballTalk[/url]
Apparently Haslett and Danny Smith were recently signed to extensions

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I' m still vacationing and still don't have reason to believe this story is true