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[quote=SFREDSKIN;947513]Next week, Skins win a shoot out and hand Atlanta their 1st loss of the year. RGIII will have a great game, skins will stop the falcons running forcing them to challenge the secondary, the same can be said for them.[/quote]

Oh God, I forgot, I'm going to be hearing trash talk all week. Lucky for us the Falcons suck on the road, unlucky for us they seem to have gotten over that.

Watching Morris in the preseason I thought he'd be Ryan Torain all over again. I was wrong. He's actually been really awesome. I still think Royster is better but he's not healthy right now.

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[quote=Mattyk;947518]Morris is the real deal. He's quickly becoming one of my favorite guys to watch.[/quote]

the power is off the chain. and he is just a rookie so he will get even stronger over the next few years

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[quote=GTripp0012;947522]Watching Morris in the preseason I thought he'd be Ryan Torain all over again. I was wrong. He's actually been really awesome. I still think Royster is better but he's not healthy right now.[/quote]

Royster looked like he was at half speed today. He looked terrible on the first half screen play, ran with no authority and slow. He had no business being in the game, Grant needs to get reps this week.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;947498]Kerrigan is so good this year. Beast.[/QUOTE]

I'm glad some people realize this.

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I'd still bring in a few kickers to send a message to Cundiff. 6-10 for the year, okay I'll give a break on the 57yd & 60+yd attempts which makes it 6-8. Still needs to be sent a message. 2 misses in an game is not acceptable

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Forgot to mention that Montgomery did a nice job today also.

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For the ones who have pointed about how crappy the bucs are and how we are doomed once the NFC east schedule comes up (mainly in the already closed thread). Remember that crappy bucs team played the gints to a 7 point loss and the cowgirls to a 6 point loss. And we won by 2 with 2 missed FG's (3 if you count the 57 yarder).

Was pretty disappointed in Hazlett today. As much as everyone wants to blame hall for TJax's receptions, one was a perfect pass that Hall missed by an inch or two on close to perfect coverage. He had TJax covered very well and Freeman made a pass he normally cant, a perfect one. But what has me wondering whats up is that you never let a top notch receiver (one with height especially) have deep releases without a safety over the top late in a close game. I still cant for the life of me understand why TJax was running one on one with Hall and we didnt have a safety over the top on those late deep routes.

Do we really need to say much about the game RG3 had? All the times ive drooled over Brady, Rodgers, and Peyton. Not anymore... Young and gifted is better than old and gifted. WOW....

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[quote=CultBrennan59;947496]I'm in agreement with you, but ask yourself this, at this time last year with Cam Newton having the rookie year he had, do you think he would be doing bad his sophomore year? Cause he is.[/quote]

Cam Newton, come on, his attitude stinks. He may as well be 15.....

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[quote=12thMan;947516]Remember a couple years ago if we had a play over 20 yards, that was a big deal.[/quote]

I was in a redskins bar out in san diego last year, and people were cheering for first downs like we were scoring touchdowns. I wasn't sure whether to laugh or feel sorry for us. I just cheered also.

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[quote=takethecake;947531]I was in a redskins bar out in san diego last year, and people were cheering for first downs like we were scoring touchdowns. I wasn't sure whether to laugh or feel sorry for us. I just cheered also.[/quote]

lol

[QUOTE=Skinzman;947529]For the ones who have pointed about how crappy the bucs are and how we are doomed once the NFC east schedule comes up (mainly in the already closed thread). Remember that crappy bucs team played the gints to a 7 point loss and the cowgirls to a 6 point loss. And we won by 2 with 2 missed FG's (3 if you count the 57 yarder).

Was pretty disappointed in Hazlett today. As much as everyone wants to blame hall for TJax's receptions, one was a perfect pass that Hall missed by an inch or two on close to perfect coverage. He had TJax covered very well and Freeman made a pass he normally cant, a perfect one. But what has me wondering whats up is that you never let a top notch receiver (one with height especially) have deep releases without a safety over the top late in a close game. I still cant for the life of me understand why TJax was running one on one with Hall and we didnt have a safety over the top on those late deep routes.

Do we really need to say much about the game RG3 had? All the times ive drooled over Brady, Rodgers, and Peyton. Not anymore... Young and gifted is better than old and gifted. WOW....[/QUOTE]

This isn't really halls fault but our safeties have no range in coverage whatsoever. But today neither Hall nor Wilson could cover very much. Not one person in our secondary had a good game today.

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[quote=VTSkins1961;947527]I'd still bring in a few kickers to send a message to Cundiff. 6-10 for the year, okay I'll give a break on the 57yd & 60+yd attempts which makes it 6-8. Still needs to be sent a message. 2 misses in an game is not acceptable[/quote]

There's something very concerning about missing a 31 yard FG. I feel like NFL caliber kickers need to be money 45 yards and under. Scrub college kids can make 31 yard kicks.

I don't care if we don't have a kicker who can't kick from 50+. 45 yards and under though? That should always be a gimme.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;947496]I'm in agreement with you, but ask yourself this, at this time last year with Cam Newton having the rookie year he had, do you think he would be doing bad his sophomore year? Cause he is.[/quote]
Yes. In fact worse. After 4 games he had already thrown 5 picks and was completing below 60%. Newton cares more about looking good than winning.

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[quote=GTripp0012;947533]This isn't really halls fault but our safeties have no range in coverage whatsoever. But today neither Hall nor Wilson could cover very much. Not one person in our secondary had a good game today.[/quote]

Im not going to say he was great every play, but you cant get better coverage on some of those than he had today. That one throw by Freeman was perfect, just barely out of reach of Halls outstretched arm, and TJax still had to reach for it himself. A perfect pass will not be stopped by Revis and Ed Reed in double coverage.

As for Range in coverage, 2 deep already has them deep and if they only see one receiver going deep to their side, its an easy read to get there. And since our pass coverage took 5-7 seconds for our rush, the secondary should have given up 400 yards through the air. You do know our defense has 11 players, not 4.

[QUOTE=DynamiteRave;947534]There's something very concerning about missing a 31 yard FG. I feel like NFL caliber kickers need to be money 45 yards and under. Scrub college kids can make 31 yard kicks.

I don't care if we don't have a kicker who can't kick from 50+. 45 yards and under though? That should always be a gimme.[/QUOTE]

Sure. Or coach can man up and go for it making the kicker irrelevant.

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RG3 is a beast. The [U]last drive RG3 even called his own plays[/U], since his headset was out. Calm, poised. Every game seems like a different game plan, can't wait to see him with the full play book out there (and passing in red zone instead of running). Best thing is his accuracy and lack of interceptions. Need to work on fumbles however..

WTF with Merrriweather / Robinson? So strange..

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;947519]RGIII is what makes the running game for the skins go, defenses don't know if he'll run, pitch it or hand it off.[/quote]

I can't believe no one saw that coming during the offseason. Oh wait...
[quote=Dirtbag59;913542]
Especially with RG3 on the team the Skins should be top 5 in rushing, especially now that they have depth along the offensive line.[/quote]

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[quote=ethat001;947539]RG3 is a beast. The [U]last drive RG3 even called his own plays[/U], since his headset was out. Calm, poised. Every game seems like a different game plan, can't wait to see him with the full play book out there (and passing in red zone instead of running). Best thing is his accuracy and lack of interceptions. Need to work on fumbles however..

WTF with Merrriweather / Robinson? So strange..[/quote]

Let's not forget the hard count, he set TB offsides 3 times and he was so good he even had Lichtensteiger jump offsides once.

[QUOTE=Skinzman;947537]Im not going to say he was great every play, but you cant get better coverage on some of those than he had today. That one throw by Freeman was perfect, just barely out of reach of Halls outstretched arm, and TJax still had to reach for it himself. A perfect pass will not be stopped by Revis and Ed Reed in double coverage.

As for Range in coverage, 2 deep already has them deep and if they only see one receiver going deep to their side, its an easy read to get there. And since our pass coverage took 5-7 seconds for our rush, the secondary should have given up 400 yards through the air. You do know our defense has 11 players, not 4.[/QUOTE]

The receivers route can always be disrupted. Then there is no such thing as a perfect pass. And Hall had help most of the day. It isn't his fault that the help often didn't get there, but c'mon, it's a weekly occurrence with Hall. He got a pick today, so good for him. He is what he is.

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[quote=GTripp0012;947542]The receivers route can always be disrupted. Then there is no such thing as a perfect pass. And Hall had help most of the day. It isn't his fault that the help often didn't get there, but c'mon, it's a weekly occurrence with Hall. He got a pick today, so good for him. He is what he is.[/quote]

Disrupting a route only makes no perfect pass if its a timing route. Those werent timing routes. Those were Freeman standing in the pocket without pressure and hitting a deep pass. If the Skins were getting pressure then those jams make a difference, if not, not so much.

Hall may be what he is, but he covered well today. Hatred is an easy thing to blind people, but give him credit where credit is due. He played pretty good today. Revis isnt stopping that pass to TJax without help, and people would chalk it up to good coverage, but a perfect pass.

[QUOTE=Skinzman;947543]Disrupting a route only makes no perfect pass if its a timing route. Those werent timing routes. Those were Freeman standing in the pocket without pressure and hitting a deep pass. If the Skins were getting pressure then those jams make a difference, if not, not so much.

Hall may be what he is, but he covered well today. Hatred is an easy thing to blind people, but give him credit where credit is due. He played pretty good today. Revis isnt stopping that pass to TJax without help, and people would chalk it up to good coverage, but a perfect pass.[/QUOTE]

Except the part where our 15 point lead evaporated, Hall covered pretty well.

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[quote=GTripp0012;947522]Watching Morris in the preseason I thought he'd be Ryan Torain all over again. I was wrong. He's actually been really awesome. I still think Royster is better but he's not healthy right now.[/quote]

I'm not sure I agree Royster is better at all. Outside of a distinct lack of breakaway speed Morris seems pretty complete to me.

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[quote=GTripp0012;947544]Except the part where our 15 point lead evaporated, Hall covered pretty well.[/quote]

Oh, now we went from our defense only having 4 players to now only having 1. Do you people even watch football?

I'd bet anything that the coaches tape shows Hall getting beat by a lot and simple pitch and catch on the throw. I know it wouldn't change your mind either way. You can just tell with some people.

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I don't understand why we constantly let WRs run free. Are our CBs so bad at jamming that we don't try? Our pass defense constricts of ...hope to get pressure or its a 20 yard completion. We do nothing to disrupt routes. He'll I'd prefer we held or something. Anything. We don't even look like we try sometimes.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;947501]Yes I would. His mechanics always looked like garbage.[/quote]

Interesting Ignoring for a moment what my own eyes tell me which very much disagree with you. I've heard two ex head coaches, an ex GM, two highly regarded retired QB analysts and the top draft experts for ESPN and NFLN discuss Cam and not one of them ever said anything remotely supporting your opinion. Plenty of maturity and work ethic speculation, that on hindsight mostly seems to have not become an issue.

He had a good game today BTW. Besides last weeks body language much ado about nothing which is interesting in itself. Eli can spend his first three years regularly looking like a whiney 9 year old who didn't get a cookie EVERY TIME the slightest thing went wrong and no one so much as talks about it in passing. But the "immature" Newton sulks on the bench after a bad game and its a national story. I'm sure its got a lot to do with flash and self promotion of one versus the down to earth personality of the other.

[QUOTE=GTripp0012;947549]I'd bet anything that the coaches tape shows Hall getting beat by a lot and simple pitch and catch on the throw. I know it wouldn't change your mind either way. You can just tell with some people.[/QUOTE]

He gets beat but he also can make some big plays. Unfortunately he has gotten beat more this year

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[quote=GTripp0012;947549]I'd bet anything that the coaches tape shows Hall getting beat by a lot and simple pitch and catch on the throw. I know it wouldn't change your mind either way. You can just tell with some people.[/quote]

If you are talking about the one deep pass im talking about, he was as close to TJax as he cna get without outright tackling him. Perfect pass cannot be stopped. No way was Hall going to stop those. Like I said, if it was Revis, you would say great coverage but perfect pass. Since its someone you dislike, he was beat by 27 yards even though he was within inches of making the play. The coaches tape wont back that up.

Listen, im one who says we should have cut Hall long ago due to his salary and that his play doesnt match it. Today, he played well regardless of what everyone elses hate for him is saying.

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[quote=FRPLG;947545]I'm not sure I agree Royster is better at all. Outside of a distinct lack of breakaway speed Morris seems pretty complete to me.[/quote]

Royster is the better pass blocker. There have been a couple of sacks that fall fairly squarely on Morris. But he has shown improvement there and he's been a pleasant surprise running the ball. No complaints about Morris from me.

[QUOTE=FRPLG;947550]I don't understand why we constantly let WRs run free. Are our CBs so bad at jamming that we don't try? Our pass defense constricts of ...hope to get pressure or its a 20 yard completion. We do nothing to disrupt routes. He'll I'd prefer we held or something. Anything. We don't even look like we try sometimes.[/QUOTE]

Well someone did try to jam Jackson on the goal line and whiffed.

I think we're just small on the outside and can't jam that effectively. You have to though. Can't play defense any more without using physicality on those receivers.

[QUOTE=Skinzman;947553]If you are talking about the one deep pass im talking about, he was as close to TJax as he cna get without outright tackling him. Perfect pass cannot be stopped. No way was Hall going to stop those. Like I said, if it was Revis, you would say great coverage but perfect pass. Since its someone you dislike, he was beat by 27 yards even though he was within inches of making the play. The coaches tape wont back that up.

Listen, im one who says we should have cut Hall long ago due to his salary and that his play doesnt match it. Today, he played well regardless of what everyone elses hate for him is saying.[/QUOTE]

There's no way to know without seeing the all22 but I think you're just inaccurate here.

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RG3 is our QB. He is really good now and is only going to get better. He will be an elite QB. Morris is a keeper. He is a beast. Kerrigan is a beast...
We need to address the db's & ol. Both starting and for depth. We also have to find a good kicker in the off season (or earlier if Cundiff has more days like today)

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Just got done watching the game, but wow! What a game. Plenty to like and dislike from this game, and it's been covered pretty effectively around these parts. The part I loved the most was how easy the 2 min drill looked with RG3 back there. I've never seen a qb in a Redskins uni run a 2 min drill like that before. It looked like the Bucs were saying "fine, move the ball down the field easily, we're just going to pin our hopes on your iffy field goal kicker", like they weren't even trying. Awesome.

As others have said, Morris is also awesome. His weak point is his pass blocking but if he works as hard on that as he does everything else I have no doubts that will improve. And kudos to our o-line for stepping it up today against the former #1 rush defense in the NFL.

Also shout out to Ryan Kerrigan for being a beast once again. It feels like he's so good we are starting to take every good play he makes for granted. He ain't perfect but damn if he isn't having a hell of a sophomore year.

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We also need a new dc and special teams coach. I don't like the 3-4 but if we can get to work for us I can live with it.

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[B]Good[/B] (RG3 is almost a lock to be in my good category every week)


[B]Alfred Morris-[/B] Has improved each week; want to see him on 3rd downs and in the passing game

[B]O-line-[/B] Blocked well in both the run and pass; Kory L had somewhat of a bad game but the line was solid

[B]Kickoff/Punt Coverage and Punt Protection- [/B]No blocked punts, Solid kickoff and punt coverage.


[B]Bad[/B]

[B]Cundiff-[/B] I'll give him a break on the 57 yarder but the 31 yarder is inexcusible, unprofessional, and near unforgivable. Not only does he miss but his shanks hit fans instead of in-between the uprights; and if it was a 42, or 43 yarder he would've missed. Can't go through the season w/ Billy "Goat" Cundiff

[B]Secondary-[/B] This might stay on my bad until next year. There is some good though... We know what's our #1 priority in FA/Draft.

[B]Bucs Fan Trolls-[/B] "Lynard Hankerson", and the rest of you clowns got on this site all last week and talked s%*t ... and you guys lost... classless

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[quote=skinsfaninok;947552]He gets beat but he also can make some big plays. [B]Unfortunately he has gotten beat more this year[/B][/quote]

when you evaluate a corner do you consider the plays where the QB does not even target the WR that he is covering? those plays should count as making a play too. not just the result of whatever happens when the QB actually targets the WR he is covering. QBs usually dont pass it to covered WRs

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[quote=vallin21;947561][B]Good[/B] (RG3 is almost a lock to be in my good category every week)


[B]Alfred Morris-[/B] Has improved each week; want to see him on 3rd downs and in the passing game

[B]O-line-[/B] Blocked well in both the run and pass; Kory L had somewhat of a bad game but the line was solid

[B]Kickoff/Punt Coverage and Punt Protection- [/B]No blocked punts, Solid kickoff and punt coverage.


[B]Bad[/B]

[B]Cundiff-[/B] I'll give him a break on the 57 yarder but the 31 yarder is inexcusible, unprofessional, and near unforgivable. Not only does he miss but his shanks hit fans instead of in-between the uprights; and if it was a 42, or 43 yarder he would've missed. Can't go through the season w/ Billy "Goat" Cundiff

[B]Secondary-[/B] This might stay on my bad until next year. There is some good though... We know what's our #1 priority in FA/Draft.

[B]Bucs Fan Trolls-[/B] [B]"Lynard Hankerson", and the rest of you clowns got on this site all last week and talk s%*t ... and you guys lost... classless[/B][/quote]

Guess they won't be coming back to visit anytime soon.

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Griffin is tied with Matt Ryan with a 69.4 percent completion rate. Only behind ARodgers in the NFL. That's pretty incredible.

Another interesting stat on the bad side:

The Skins are tied with the Bucs for worst 3rd eff. at 25.5% (oddly both of us successful on 13 of 51 attempts)

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[quote=GTripp0012;947544]Except the part where our 15 point lead evaporated, Hall covered pretty well.[/quote]

The 15 point lead should have been a 21 point lead. The O looks good until they get a big lead. We're finally scoring TDs in the red zone. Next step is learning to play with the lead/closing teams out. I believe we're ahead of the curve and will be the team to beat in the NFC East in 2-3 years.