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[quote=SouperMeister;951345]Fed Ex Field has never been the home field advantage that RFK was. I've seen many games at both, and I believe that the curved roof of RFK reflected fan noise, effectively multiplying it. There is no doubt that RFK was a louder venue, even with 35,000 fewer seats.[/quote]

Here is a quote from a Post article from when FedEx first opened...

[quote]Afterward, many current Redskins were equally effusive about playing here for the first time, particularly about the noise level, which they insisted was equal to if not better than the decibel level at RFK.

"I felt like I was at LSU again," said defensive tackle Marc Boutte.[/quote]

Go back to the Giants and Dallas games in '05. I guarantee those games were louder than any RFK game.

[QUOTE=skinsguy;951289]
With me being a fan that doesn't live close enough to go to games on a regular basis, I don't really think much about the losing streak at home. I think it sucks, don't get me wrong, but I'm not investing as much money into it as a lot of you guys who have season tickets or go to more than two games a season, pay for parking, pay for over-priced beer, over-priced food, etc[/QUOTE]

I hadn't thought about the home losing streak in this way. I live about 7 hours away and haven't been to a game in probably 3 years.

I would assume it is quite depressing for season ticket holders. Can you imagine going basically a whole season with no wins at every game you attend?

The prices charged for tickets, food, drinks etc. lends itself to non fans or people who view the game as a status marking. 80% of the people in the stadium have no true passion for the team.

Plus, the teams money is in the suites. Corporations buy these suites and hand tickets out as perks. How many people from these corporations truly like the Skins?

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[quote=cpayne5;951373]Here is a quote from a Post article from when FedEx first opened...



Go back to the Giants and Dallas games in '05. I guarantee those games were louder than any RFK game.[/quote]i would say that fedex has the potential to be louder than rfk, but it's up to the fans.

look at the crowd from a rock concert in the '80s, and then look at the crowd from a rock concert today. people have dialed it down from 11, all the way down to lame.

they just don't get loud and go nuts like they used to, that's my take on it.

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[quote=los panda;951382]i would say that fedex has the potential to be louder than rfk, but it's up to the fans.

look at the crowd from a rock concert in the '80s, and then look at the crowd from a rock concert today. people have dialed it down from 11, all the way down to lame.

they just don't get loud and go nuts like they used to, that's my take on it.[/quote]

There have also been significant changes to stadium rules. You can no longer stand up when your team is on defense which to me affects my cheering ability! They've taken a lot of the stadium activities out of the game. Security concerns have taken some of that out of the home crowd.

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One word answer for additional crowd noise - Vuvuzela

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[quote=Daseal;951384]There have also been significant changes to stadium rules. You can no longer stand up when your team is on defense which to me affects my cheering ability! They've taken a lot of the stadium activities out of the game. Security concerns have taken some of that out of the home crowd.[/quote]they enforce that at fedex? some people seemed to stand for most of the game the last time i went, maybe i'm recalling it wrong. i was in 109 or 110, it was the patriots game last season. i noticed some people (in redskins gear) didn't even clap, stomp their feet, or open their mouths - wtf?

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[quote=Daseal;951384]There have also been significant changes to stadium rules. You can no longer stand up when your team is on defense which to me affects my cheering ability! They've taken a lot of the stadium activities out of the game. Security concerns have taken some of that out of the home crowd.[/quote]

What? You can't stand up when your team is on defense! I've never heard of such BS. U have gotta be making this up.

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[quote=Daseal;951384]There have also been significant changes to stadium rules. You can no longer stand up when your team is on defense which to me affects my cheering ability! They've taken a lot of the stadium activities out of the game. Security concerns have taken some of that out of the home crowd.[/quote]

Sorry, but I'm going to have to call BS on that. I've never had that experience at Fedex. Provided, I don't go to a lot of games per year, but I was never asked to sit while the defense was on the field.

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[quote=Gtothearry;951381]I hadn't thought about the home losing streak in this way. I live about 7 hours away and haven't been to a game in probably 3 years.

I would assume it is quite depressing for season ticket holders. Can you imagine going basically a whole season with no wins at every game you attend?

The prices charged for tickets, food, drinks etc. lends itself to non fans or people who view the game as a status marking. 80% of the people in the stadium have no true passion for the team.

Plus, the teams money is in the suites. Corporations buy these suites and hand tickets out as perks. How many people from these corporations truly like the Skins?[/quote]

I would say you're pretty dead on about the corporations. I mean, I live in NC now, and if a company or an individual gives me Carolina Panthers tickets, I'm going to go because it's fun going to Charlotte for games. I'm not a Panthers fan (although I'd root for them since they are a "home" team) and in the end, I wouldn't care as much if they won or lost, but I'd go because the tickets are free and it's a fun event.

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[quote=skinsguy;951398]Sorry, but I'm going to have to call BS on that. I've never had that experience at Fedex. Provided, I don't go to a lot of games per year, but I was never asked to sit while the defense was on the field.[/quote]

Once, I was told to sit down or I would be removed by security. People behind me complained.

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[quote=Daseal;951384]There have also been significant changes to stadium rules. You can no longer stand up when your team is on defense which to me affects my cheering ability! They've taken a lot of the stadium activities out of the game. Security concerns have taken some of that out of the home crowd.[/quote]

That's gotta suck for fans in the standing room only party decks

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[quote=SmootSmack;951416]That's gotta suck for fans in the standing room only party decks[/quote]

lol

"You! Sit down!"

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[quote=SmootSmack;951416]That's gotta suck for fans in the standing room only party decks[/quote]:lol: criss cross applesauce

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[quote=cpayne5;951404]Once, I was told to sit down or I would be removed by security. People behind me complained.[/quote]

So you were standing for much of the game?

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[quote=skinsguy;951433]So you were standing for much of the game?[/quote]

Yes, that's why I was threatened with ejection.

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fat tubs can wear nothing but paint on their tits, but no one can stand while the home defense is on the field, cool.

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[quote=cpayne5;951439]Yes, that's why I was threatened with ejection.[/quote]

Oh, well, that's understandable.

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The best Fed Ex Field win in Redskins history? The inaugural game in 1997 against the Cards. Michael Westbrook's acrobatic touchdown catch from Gus Frerotte in OT has to this point been the most thrilling Redskins victory at Fed Ex Field, although it was called Jack Kent Stadium at that time.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;951459]The best Fed Ex Field win in Redskins history? The inaugural game in 1997 against the Cards. Michael Westbrook's acrobatic touchdown catch from Gus Frerotte in OT has to this point been the most thrilling Redskins victory at Fed Ex Field, [B]although it was called Jack Kent Stadium at that time.[/B][/quote]

So you are saying that it's Snyder's money grubbing fault, because he erased Jack Kent Cooke's name from the stadium and tore the legendary heart and soul out of the stadium for the sake of a dollar.

;) I knew it was a curse!!!

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ol' raljon

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;951459]The best Fed Ex Field win in Redskins history? The inaugural game in 1997 against the Cards. Michael Westbrook's acrobatic touchdown catch from Gus Frerotte in OT has to this point been the most thrilling Redskins victory at Fed Ex Field, although it was called Jack Kent Stadium at that time.[/quote]

The 2005 OT win over Jacksonville, the win against the Bears just days after burying Sean Taylor, the Troy Vincent block against the Cowboys...none of those as exciting?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;951461]So you are saying that it's Snyder's money grubbing fault, because he erased Jack Kent Cooke's name from the stadium and tore the legendary heart and soul out of the stadium for the sake of a dollar.

;) I knew it was a curse!!![/quote]

Put it this way. This Redskins franchise hasn't been exactly right since Jack Kent Cooke's death. It all started with Cooke not leaving a will and handing the team, the stadium, and Redskins park over to his son John. If that happened, there would have been no Milstein bros. buying the team although Jerry Jones, Al Davis and the rest of the owners didn't approve their purchase of the franchise. Dan Snyder was to initially be a minority owner with the Milsteins. After the owners didn't approve, everything went back to Cooke's estate. Snyder sold Snyder Communications and then bought the Redskins. And the rest is gloomy history in the making from there on out. I never understood why the NFL owners didn't approve of the Milstein purchase of the Redskins. For all we know, they would have been excellent owners.

The team hasn't seen stability since Jack Kent Cooke died. If John Kent Cooke owned the team, the Redskins would have been contenders every year. This Redskins franchise has been in disarray since Snyder purchased it.

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[quote=SmootSmack;951464]The 2005 OT win over Jacksonville, the win against the Bears just days after burying Sean Taylor, the Troy Vincent block against the Cowboys...none of those as exciting?[/quote]

Hey Smoot, those were some great games. You played in all of those games. But the game in 1997 was more exciting simply because it was the first game ever played at Jack Kent Cooke Stadium/Fed Ex Field and it went into overtime.

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[quote=SmootSmack;951464]The 2005 OT win over Jacksonville, the win against the Bears just days after burying Sean Taylor, the Troy Vincent block against the Cowboys...none of those as exciting?[/quote]can't believe that jacksonville game was that long ago

can't find a better vid of the play
[YT]YZ6i1-e87u8[/YT]

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:laughing2[quote=los panda;951441]fat tubs can wear nothing but paint on their tits, but no one can stand while the home defense is on the field, cool.[/quote]

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[url=http://www.usatoday.com/story/gameon/2012/10/12/troy-aikman-dallas-cowboys-home-field-advantage/1629427/]Troy Aikman says home fans never gave Cowboys a lift[/url]

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;951602][url=http://www.usatoday.com/story/gameon/2012/10/12/troy-aikman-dallas-cowboys-home-field-advantage/1629427/]Troy Aikman says home fans never gave Cowboys a lift[/url][/QUOTE]

Not a surprise, Dallas has so many bandwagon fans

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;951184]But they are good enough to win some of those games. They should have beaten Dallas at FED EX last year. They should have beaten the Vikings at FED EX last year too. They let New England get out of there with a win. They play good enough to win but end up not winning.[/quote]

"Should have" is an interesting choice of words; what's the scenario in which a team loses a game but "should have" won? The implication is that the team performed well enough, but a few mental errors or seemingly forgivable mistakes made the difference in close game. But I'm not sure if a team deserves to win a game like that. If a team gets ripped off because of a bad call (ie the Packers and the Fail Mary game), then I can understand. But I can't think of any games in the eight game home losing streak in which the Redskins did enough to earn a victory.

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Cause Fedex field sucks. Should have never left RFK. but the biggest reason is probably the team just has not been that good.

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next big thing for cowboys stadium: seats suspended from tracks in the rafters so fans can watch the game from directly above

[IMG]http://imageshack.us/a/img217/9505/mayanadventuresuspended.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=Coff;951610]"Should have" is an interesting choice of words; what's the scenario in which a team loses a game but "should have" won? The implication is that the team performed well enough, but a few mental errors or seemingly forgivable mistakes made the difference in close game. But I'm not sure if a team deserves to win a game like that. If a team gets ripped off because of a bad call (ie the Packers and the Fail Mary game), then I can understand. But I can't think of any games in the eight game home losing streak in which the Redskins did enough to earn a victory.[/quote]

Even with Rex Grossman quarterbacking, the Redskins weren't the best offensively in the NFL, but they moved the ball well enough last season. The game against Dallas at Fed Ex Field was close. The defense gave up huge plays in that game especially that 59 yard pass from Romo to Witten where he outran the entire Redskins defense on the way to the end zone. It's huge plays like that one given up that causes the Redskins games. Witten is tough to defend, but the defense should never allow a play like that. Take away that play and the play where DeAngelo Hall allowed Dez Bryant to convert on 3rd and long and the Skins win that game.


In the New England game the defense allowed Gronkowski to catch passes for over 150 yards. The Pats virtually had no running game and no defense. Grossman had another fine day that day. But the defense allowed Brady and the Pats offense to remain in the game which is why they lost.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;951618]Even with Rex Grossman quarterbacking, the Redskins weren't the best offensively in the NFL, but they moved the ball well enough last season. The game against Dallas at Fed Ex Field was close. The defense gave up huge plays in that game especially that 59 yard pass from Romo to Witten where he outran the entire Redskins defense on the way to the end zone. It's huge plays like that one given up that causes the Redskins games. Witten is tough to defend, but the defense should never allow a play like that. Take away that play and the play where DeAngelo Hall allowed Dez Bryant to convert on 3rd and long and the Skins win that game.


In the New England game the defense allowed Gronkowski to catch passes for over 150 yards. The Pats virtually had no running game and no defense. Grossman had another fine day that day. But the defense allowed Brady and the Pats offense to remain in the game which is why they lost.[/quote]

Really solid post. The defense has been the bigger problem under the current regime, which is a shame because we've had the talent all along to at least be above average consistently. Really poor decision to force the switch to the 3-4 w/o securing the personnel to make it thrive. Frankly, we would have been much better off sticking w/ the Blache defense.

But you can't give the offense a pass, even looking at this season. Too inconsistent, especially on 3rd downs. But the real evaluation starts right now IMHO. We should see a more traditional offense going forward, and the play-calling and scheme will make it or break it. We've got a solid ground game, average WR corp (good enough to consistently move the chains), dominant TE and a QB with elite skills. It's on Mike and Kyle.

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[quote=los panda;951614]next big thing for cowboys stadium: seats suspended from tracks in the rafters so fans can watch the game from directly above

[IMG]http://imageshack.us/a/img217/9505/mayanadventuresuspended.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

that'd be cool if they had a couple of 'em and tied them to the ball's motion, so you would go flying down on kickoffs or fg's. Just don't tell me how they handle bathroom breaks.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;951205]When you win 10 games in 2 years, you're not a good team. Bad teams lose at home and on the road.

We're close to breaking the streak. I wouldn't worry.[/QUOTE]

Yupp. Lets try not to blow this stat out of proportion. Sample size is small and we've just been a bad team.

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[quote=skinsguy;951458]Oh, well, that's understandable.[/quote]

Ok, so no standing at a football game. Got it. Only cheering from a seated position is acceptable these days.

:benched:

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The Curse.

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[IMG]http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/cerratoeagles09bpregame.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=cpayne5;951640]Ok, so no standing at a football game. Got it. Only cheering from a seated position is acceptable these days.

:benched:[/quote]

Dude, it's perfectly understandable to stand when you're cheering on the defense on a crucial play, but to stand for most of the game? I can understand people around you getting sick of you having your butt in their face the entire time. Sit your happy ass down and have another hot dog!

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[quote=Monkeydad;951645]The Curse.

[IMG]http://nbcprofootballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/v-cerrato.jpg?w=174[/IMG][IMG]http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/139/vinny2nt9.gif[/IMG]

[IMG]http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/cerratoeagles09bpregame.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

Ceratto's negative shadow still looms. I guess it's going to take one or two more drafts and a free agent signing or two for Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan to completely undo the mess that Cerrato left behind.

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It's the DC sports curse...After last night, i'm not sure i can handle another home lose..

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[quote=SmootSmack;951464]The 2005 OT win over Jacksonville, the win against the Bears just days after burying Sean Taylor, the Troy Vincent block against the Cowboys...none of those as exciting?[/quote]

The Jacksonville game was in 2006