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Wait wha?!?!?!

[QUOTE]Rich Campbell ‏@Rich_Campbell

Redskins are preparing to replace injured P Sav Rocca. Former Philadelphia Eagle Chas Henry will work out tomorrow, a source confirms.
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Why havent we heard of this?? or did I miss somethin?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;953781]Wait wha?!?!?!



Why havent we heard of this?? or did I miss somethin?[/quote]yeah, news to me

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2012/10/18/redskins-working-on-backup-punter-plan/]Redskins working on backup punter plan[/url]

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Nooooo. Not the Aussie Rock-a!

Weak puns aside, I feel like Sav Rocca is the best punter we've had in years. I think we started taking it for granted since he had an excellent season last year, but if he's out than once again who knows what will happen.

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yeah, he's def a good one. only good ones i remember in my time were reggie roby and matt turk

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Redskins corners Josh Wilson and DeAngelo Hall have to cover Hakeem Nicks and Victor Cruz. Manning is fond of throwing the ball to Cruz who is one of the better wide outs in the NFL. As long as Cruz and Nicks can't get open the sack total on Manning will multiply.

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umbrellas cover people from falling rain. sometimes it rains. the people who use umbrellas won't get as wet as the people who don't

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[quote=The Goat;953774]Perry Riley has improved already this season, and I swear he seems to improve even within games. If he can be a dominant run-stopper alongside London for the rest of the season, while Kerrigan/Lorenzo/Jackson/Wilson put pressure on the QB our defense could improve overall.

However, Haslett has to improve his scheme and adjustments or it makes no difference how well our guys do. I'm very frustrated with the defense. Strongly believe we have the talent, albeit in a 4-3 front, to be a dominant defense, but our coaching has been pretty abysmal. If Haslett can't optimize his scheme and adjustments to improve the defense dramatically over the rest of the season I think he needs to go.[/quote]

I don't think Coach Haz has done a bad job. The defense has underachieved a lot this season so far because players are simply not playing like their capable of playing. Like when Josh Wilson fell down on a play against the Bengals and the WR ran 42 yards for a TD. It's plays like that that keep the Redskins from winning games.

What I would like to see is Coach Haz call something different similar to what Richie Pettibon used to do. Pettibon used to call the defense using 3 man lines and five man lines back when the Redskins ran a 4-man front. I would like to see the Redskins employ the 46 defense as well as the 4-3 defense for many 10 or 15 of the opposing offensive snaps. That might bewilder the opposing offense and its coordinator.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;953781]Wait wha?!?!?!



Why havent we heard of this?? or did I miss somethin?[/quote]

I had no idea Rocca's injury was anything serious. Too bad, cause he's also our holder. In related news, Nick Sundberg will likely return to practice next week

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I just read about Sav Rocca's injury in the Washington Post. Hopefully he won't be out long.

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Not to be a downer...but I would be shocked if the Redskins beat the Giants.
So they beat the Vikings...a team a month ago that was expected to be 6-10 or so...we have lost to some average teams...yeah a win makes you feel good...but until we can beat a better team, we are in no position to be talking about leading the division...no way.
We are not there yet guys, please be more realistic and patient.
of course, I'd be thrilled to be wrong...I just don't see it.
We don't have the secondary or Oline to play at a playoff game level yet...this will be a good measure of how long it will take us to truly compete. I just hope we don't crack with late turnovers, penalties, etc that are typical with rebuilding teams.

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[quote=skinsnut;953830]Not to be a downer...but I would be shocked if the Redskins beat the Giants.
So they beat the Vikings...a team a month ago that was expected to be 6-10 or so...we have lost to some average teams...yeah a win makes you feel good...but until we can beat a better team, we are in no position to be talking about leading the division...no way.
We are not there yet guys, please be more realistic and patient.
of course, I'd be thrilled to be wrong...I just don't see it.
We don't have the secondary or Oline to play at a playoff game level yet...this will be a good measure of how long it will take us to truly compete. I just hope we don't crack with late turnovers, penalties, etc that are typical with rebuilding teams.[/quote]

This game could turn out to be similar to the Redskins-Packers Monday Night game from 1983 where both offenses put up tons of points. We don't know what will happen. The Redskins match up well with the Giants. The Redskins have already proven that they can score points. We can also run the football and RG3 can hit his receivers or take off with it when no one is open. I'm not concerned with Victor Cruz or Hakeem Nicks. We've already faced a bunch of great wide receivers already. Very confident our defense will hold them.

Be more optimistic. Don't doubt.

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We need to duplicate our gameplan we used in week 1. Control the clock.

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[quote=hagams;953859]We need to duplicate our gameplan we used in week 1. Control the clock.[/quote]

The Redskins have the 2nd highest rushing average per game in the NFL. The NYG are 9th in the NFL in run defense. I think the Redskins have the advantage. Controlling the clock and pounding the Giants with the run could be Mike and Kyle's focus as they put together the offensive game plan.

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As in any game minimizing penalties will also be key.

The Skins have 44 penalties for 396 yds, while the Giants have 42 penalties for 316 yds.

IF we are able to play a clean game, that should give us a bit of an edge. If the players don't keep outbursts under control, an untimely 15 yd penalty could be huge.

This report brought to you by Captain Obvious, when being right in front of your nose isn't good enough call on Captain Obvious to show you the truth.

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If we score more points than the Giants, I think we can win this one.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;953877]If we score more points than the Giants, I think we can win this one.[/quote]

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[quote=JoeRedskin;953877]If we score more points than the Giants, I think we can win this one.[/quote]

Spoken like a true lawyer. Love it. :laughing-

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[quote=SmootSmack;953815]I had no idea Rocca's injury was anything serious. Too bad, [B]cause he's also our holder[/B]. In related news, Nick Sundberg will likely return to practice next week[/quote]

Jimminy Crickets.

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we'll fight our guts out

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[quote=JoeRedskin;953877]If we score more points than the Giants, I think we can win this one.[/quote]

Interesting. I'm going to look at it this from another angle though. I think if the Giants score fewer points than us...then we got this!

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[quote=SmootSmack;953904]Interesting. I'm going to look at it this from another angle though. I think if the Giants score fewer points than us...then we got this![/quote]


what if we score the same amount?

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If the 49ers front 7 could not get to Eli once, we probably won't and we don't have the secondary do keep up with Cruz, Nicks (has an injury), Bennet or Hixon. We better hope the Giants don't bring there A game because if they do, we have no shot. They are a better team, probably top three team in the NFL if they play their best. Just hope they underestimate us.

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Two words. Trap. Game.

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[quote=skinsnut;953830]Not to be a downer...but I would be shocked if the Redskins beat the Giants.
So they beat the Vikings...a team a month ago that was expected to be 6-10 or so...we have lost to some average teams...yeah a win makes you feel good...but until we can beat a better team, we are in no position to be talking about leading the division...no way.
We are not there yet guys, please be more realistic and patient.
of course, I'd be thrilled to be wrong...I just don't see it.
We don't have the secondary or Oline to play at a playoff game level yet...this will be a good measure of how long it will take us to truly compete. I just hope we don't crack with late turnovers, penalties, etc that are typical with rebuilding teams.[/quote]

So now we throw out beatting a better team in the Vikings beacaus they were picked to be 6-10 this year? That's great logic.

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[quote=firstdown;953915]So now we throw out beatting a better team in the Vikings beacaus they were picked to be 6-10 this year? That's great logic.[/quote]


But if we would have lost to them it would have been because "The redskins are just not on the level of Minnesota" Instead we beat them by 2 scores BTW and its not a huge deal.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;953916]But if we would have lost to them it would have been because "The redskins are just not on the level of Minnesota" Instead we beat them by 2 scores BTW and its not a huge deal.[/quote]

I'm a Redskin fan and all wins are huge deal.

[QUOTE=firstdown;953918]I'm a Redskin fan and all wins are huge deal.[/QUOTE]

Yeah really

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[quote=skinsfaninok;953905]what if we score the same amount?[/quote]

Then Donovan McNabb loses.

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[quote=firstdown;953915]So now we throw out beatting a better team in the Vikings beacaus they were picked to be 6-10 this year? That's great logic.[/quote]

eh, honestly i never thought they were that good to begin with, i dont buy christian ponder as i've stated before... the defense is ok, front 7 mainly.. and a better 2ndary than ours... lack of weapons in the passing game, percy harvin is ok but as a #1 he lacks size and possession ability.. just really dont buy them at 4-1 and i think they caught SF sleeping... good win... good team effort... we need to play better to beat the giants sunday

[QUOTE=donofriose;953908]If the 49ers front 7 could not get to Eli once, we probably won't and we don't have the secondary do keep up with Cruz, Nicks (has an injury), Bennet or Hixon. We better hope the Giants don't bring there A game because if they do, we have no shot. They are a better team, probably top three team in the NFL if they play their best. Just hope they underestimate us.[/QUOTE]

I never get the no chance comments. first because its the nfl, and any given Sunday. second, we have shown the ability to play with this team (unless david wilson is a superman), and third the griffin factor. I understand we might not be favored, and a blowout is a possibility, but no chance? meaning no conceivable way that a combination of time consuming drives and turnovers with one or two 3 and outs sprinkled in could lead to us winning? I think a few more weeks of this team playing for a full 4quarters and the pessimists may finally be converted.

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[quote=SkinzWin;953911]Two words. Trap. Game.[/quote]

For the home team.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;953925]I never get the no chance comments. first because its the nfl, and any given Sunday. second, we have shown the ability to play with this team (unless david wilson is a superman), and third the griffin factor. I understand we might not be favored, and a blowout is a possibility, but no chance? meaning no conceivable way that a combination of time consuming drives and turnovers with one or two 3 and outs sprinkled in could lead to us winning? I think a few more weeks of this team playing for a full 4quarters and the pessimists may finally be converted.[/quote]

I think we have a chance. In my post I was speaking to the fact that if both the redskins play as well as they possibly could, and the giants play as well as they possibly could, the Giants will win, and will probably win in a convincing manner. I agree anything can happen, but if both teams bring their A games, they Giants will win. If the Giants bring their C game like they did last year, we will can beat them if we execute. It depends on which NYG team shows up.

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[url]https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/10/19/3tfo-redskins-giants-week-7/[/url]

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[quote=Meks;953921]eh, honestly i never thought they were that good to begin with, i dont buy christian ponder as i've stated before... the defense is ok, front 7 mainly.. and a better 2ndary than ours... lack of weapons in the passing game, percy harvin is ok but as a #1 he lacks size and possession ability.. just really dont buy them at 4-1 and i think they caught SF sleeping... good win... good team effort... we need to play better to beat the giants sunday[/quote]

Harvin is not just ok, he makes plays for that team pretty consistently now and was a beast at Florida. I wouldn't call him just ok but I agree that the Vikings are not as good as their record would indicate.

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[quote=donofriose;953939]Harvin is not just ok, he makes plays for that team pretty consistently now and was a beast at Florida. I wouldn't call him just ok but I agree that the Vikings are not as good as their record would indicate.[/quote]

If Harvin was on a high profile team, he would be regarded as the best playmaker in the game. Dude can hurt you everywhere. Catching, running and kick returning.

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he is good, a beast yes, just not as a number 1

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[quote=Meks;953941]he is good, a beast yes, just not as a number 1[/quote]

Its easier to find a number 1 than find a Harvin-type player.

Do number 1 WR typically lead the league in receptions? Because Percy leads with 49 rec in 6 games. He's scored rushing the ball, kick return of 105 yards, and catching the ball this year.

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i'll check out his stats at the end of the year... but yea he's a dynamic heck of a player

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;953804]I don't think Coach Haz has done a bad job. The defense has underachieved a lot this season so far because players are simply not playing like their capable of playing. Like when Josh Wilson fell down on a play against the Bengals and the WR ran 42 yards for a TD. It's plays like that that keep the Redskins from winning games.

What I would like to see is Coach Haz call something different similar to what Richie Pettibon used to do. Pettibon used to call the defense using 3 man lines and five man lines back when the Redskins ran a 4-man front. I would like to see the Redskins employ the 46 defense as well as the 4-3 defense for many 10 or 15 of the opposing offensive snaps. That might bewilder the opposing offense and its coordinator.[/quote]

Just can't agree with the first paragraph. Haslett's scheme to start games and his adjustments mid-game have been lousy. This 3-4 defense should be based on man coverage at least 80% of the time and only works if the offense is confused about where the pressure will come from. I think Haslett has achieved that in maybe six full quarters...over our first six games.

Every defense misses a play or two, and actually I have to say our secondary has been more fiery this season than as long as I can remember. We have smaller DBs and they've hit guys in the mouth in every game. What you're mostly seeing is players out of position to compete, and that's a result of scheme and adjustments (or lack thereof).

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No Kenny Phillips for the Giants on Sunday