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[quote=SmootSmack;958692]Fletcher's disconnect with Haslett was a big reason why he nearly didn't return this year. Haslett and Alexander have butted heads plenty as well. As have Wilson and Haslett[/quote]

Just another reason for me. Fire his ass now. Doesn't have to be Morris to replace him. We have other position coaches besides Morris.

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I still say it doesn't matter what sort of front we run as long as the secondary stinks. If we changed to a 4-3 right now, do you really think anything would be different?

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what about Bob Diaco of notre dame? heard whispers about him, but dont know much. except they do run a 3-4

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[quote=The Goat;958696]Not suitable for a poll, but the most important question on defense is: How the flying f*ck do you end up in a 3-4 defense w/o coaches OR players suited for it???[/quote]

Reminds me of how Zorn was trying to learn the WCO and coach it at the same time.

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I hate like hell to change to another configuration.....need the consistency and we do not need the delay that our guys will experience while they acclimate to the new system not to mention those that will not be a good fit.
And YES, gut the secondary or none of this matters......

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Let him go after the season and focus on drafting/signing defensive starter secondary help and depth in the front 7.

Its a combination of not great coaching and severely lacking talent. There is only so much I could see being done with the players we currently have and the injuries. Fresh start on D next year seems like the best plan to me.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;958720]Reminds me of how Zorn was trying to learn the WCO and coach it at the same time.[/quote]

Say what now?

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Two names that I am interested in Keith Butler and Ron Rivera (if he is fired after the season is over). Ron's 3-4 team in San Diego was very good, he was great with adjustments.

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i'm submitting my vote based on the notion that haslett has lost fletcher, alexander, and wilson (at the very least). fire him now and use the bye to it's fullest potential. morris gets my vote

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[quote=diehardskin2982;958726]Two names that I am interested in Keith Butler and Ron Rivera (if he is fired after the season is over). Ron's 3-4 team in San Diego was very good, he was great with adjustments.[/quote]

Ron Rivera's an interesting choice. Hadn't heard he's on our radar, but not a bad idea

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[quote=SmootSmack;958731]Ron Rivera's an interesting choice. Hadn't heard he's on our radar, but not a bad idea[/quote]

Yes, he would be my #1 choice if the Panthers fire him.

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When they fire him

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[quote=SmootSmack;958725]Say what now?[/quote]


My point is, if you are not good at the 3-4 defense why try to coach it. Do what you do.

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[quote=los panda;958727]i'm submitting my vote based on the notion that haslett has lost fletcher, alexander, and wilson (at the very least). fire him now and use the bye to it's fullest potential. morris gets my vote[/quote]

Agreed on Haslett. Has Slowik ever done anything as DC? Rather not Morris, but I can't imagine anything or anyone making our D any worse. I suppose a Juan Castillo vote might earn a lifetime ban?

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;958732]Yes, he would be my #1 choice if the Panthers fire him.[/quote]

He'll definitely be in high demand. I hope we'll be all over that.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;958735]My point is, if you are not good at the 3-4 defense why try to coach it. Do what you do.[/quote]

Zorn wasn't new to the WCO though

We have a short list of potential DC's next year. None have ever been a DC yet in the NFL (that I recall)

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[quote=SmootSmack;958725]Say what now?[/quote]

Little known fact, Zorn never knew what the west coast offense was when he was in Seattle. Interestingly, he was never actually employed for the Seahawks as a QB coach, he'd just come in periodically and whip dodgeballs and pool noodles at Matt hasselback for fun. Hasselback became good at getting around them, which improved his pocket presence, so they let Zorn keep doing it. To this day, he has no clue what an offensive scheme is.

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[quote=Mattyk;958737]He'll definitely be in high demand. I hope we'll be all over that.[/quote]

I agree. Crazy to think Ron Rivera might be done after two years as the Panthers coach. Are their problems really that bad? I think they need to run the ball more on offense, but that's only because I have Jonathan Stewart in ff. Either way, if Rivera is available after the season I'd definitely bring him in for an interview, minimum.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;958736]Agreed on Haslett. Has Slowik ever done anything as DC? Rather not Morris, but I can't imagine anything or anyone making our D any worse. I suppose a Juan Castillo vote might earn a lifetime ban?[/quote]bob or ryan?

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our own
[url=http://www.redskins.com/team/coaches/Bob-Slowik/5ecf4c35-8a17-4c17-b9e1-58cfbff9e2f9]Washington Redskins: Bob Slowik[/url]

and ryan
[url=http://www.azcardinals.com/team/coaches/ryan-slowik/a8d4058a-fdef-46c1-a928-a99921f32980]Arizona Cardinals: Ryan Slowik[/url]

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Smoot what have you heard of Pepper Johnson and Kevin Greene as D.C. candidates or a possibility for us?

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What about Bobby?

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[quote=SmootSmack;958738]Zorn wasn't new to the WCO though

We have a short list of potential DC's next year. None have ever been a DC yet in the NFL (that I recall)[/quote]

I'd be ok with that depending on their background. Leslie Frazier and Raheem Morris are two guys who made the most of their opportunities when they were in the lower coaching ranks, and I'd be suprised if Raheem isn't a coordinator again pretty soon. Obviously he didn't work out as a head coach and the jury's still out on Frazier but both are guys who have definitely made the most of opportunities when they presented themselves. As long as it isn't another hire like Haslett (mediocre track record with being a d-coordinator and from what it sounds like wasn't even that enthusiastic about coaching a 3-4) I'm fine with it.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;958744]Smoot what have you heard of Pepper Johnson and Kevin Greene as D.C. candidates or a possibility for us?[/quote]

I heard Pepper's name once in passing. Greene haven't heard anything

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Slowik was a terrible DC. Think about all those years MS had a great offense in Denver and terrible defense then look at who was the DC. It was Slowik. Slowick should still be our defensive backs coach not the linebackers coach. I wonder if we could take Kirby Smart off Saban's staff?

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[quote=los panda;958742]our own
[url=http://www.redskins.com/team/coaches/Bob-Slowik/5ecf4c35-8a17-4c17-b9e1-58cfbff9e2f9]Washington Redskins: Bob Slowik[/url]

and ryan
[url=http://www.azcardinals.com/team/coaches/ryan-slowik/a8d4058a-fdef-46c1-a928-a99921f32980]Arizona Cardinals: Ryan Slowik[/url][/quote]

Thanks for the links. I was definitely talking about Bob, in terms of taking over in an interim capacity as DC here. I wouldn't really want Morris to take the job, and I was thinking that Bob Slowik has experience. Besides I now trust everyone named Bob! ;)

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;958750]Thanks for the links. I was definitely talking about Bob, in terms of taking over in an interim capacity as DC here. I wouldn't really want Morris to take the job, and I was thinking that Bob Slowik has experience. Besides I now trust everyone named Bob! ;)[/quote]i could live w that, just don't let him loose afterwards like robiskie

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[quote=mooby;958740]I agree. Crazy to think Ron Rivera might be done after two years as the Panthers coach. Are their problems really that bad? I think they need to run the ball more on offense, but that's only because I have Jonathan Stewart in ff. Either way, if Rivera is available after the season I'd definitely bring him in for an interview, minimum.[/quote]

Well, they're 1-6 and just fired their GM. It makes sense if you bring in a new GM, you let him clean house and bring in his own guys. Barring a big turnaround Rivera is likely done.

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[quote=Mattyk;958717]I still say it doesn't matter what sort of front we run as long as the secondary stinks. If we changed to a 4-3 right now, do you really think anything would be different?[/quote]

Only if it brought more pressure on the QB which I think was probably the reason for switching to the 3-4 in the first place. We want to be like the team that just kicked our ass. Seems to work pretty well for them. But we have a secondary that beyond sucks and a DC that isn't very proficient at running it.

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Changing during the season makes no sense so can him after the season. I know we don't have players but it looks like the scheme isn't any good. The Rams game and this past one against Pittsburgh were just awful awful performacnes.

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The defense was much better playing a 4-3 so MS has to take blame for this. I'd have to say for 7 mil a year Snyder isn't getting a good return on investment.

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[quote=skinsfan69;958761]The defense was much better playing a 4-3 so MS has to take blame for this. I'd have to say for 7 mil a year Snyder isn't getting a good return on investment.[/quote]

Has he ever? Perfect examples are Haynesworth and Hall.

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As much as Haslett needs to go, I'd honestly be more concerned about getting better players and what's the plan on doing that. Who are the top free agents? Is it possible to move up in the draft? Demarcus Milliner from Alabama looks like a pretty damn good corner.

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[quote=Mattyk;958752]Well, they're 1-6 and just fired their GM. It makes sense if you bring in a new GM, you let him clean house and bring in his own guys. Barring a big turnaround Rivera is likely done.[/quote]

Oh yeah I forget about them firing Hurney. Good call on that.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;958710]I'd kill if we could get the pilsbury dough boy from Houston.[/quote]

Awesome thought but I don't see it happening in-season.

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The problem isn't the 3-4. The problem is reserves not being able to play up to the level of injured starters. Jarvis Jenkins hasn't done squat in replacing Adam Carriker and while Rob Jackson and Chris Wilson are good backups, neither has generated the pass rush of Orakpo. Cofield and Bowen have played well. Kerrigan, Fletcher, and Riley have also played well. But Hall, Wilson, Madieu Williams, and Doughty have played poorly.

I don't think you can fire Haslett. While he's coordinates the defense, he isn't responsible for schooling the defensive backs. That falls on Raheem Morris and if the defensive backfield is under performing, then it falls on the secondary coach and not the defensive coordinator.

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I'm fine with staying in the 3-4, but let's get some players that fit in the system. I know he's a good player, but Cofield is not a 3-4 NT. We also need ILBs that can do a better job at covering TEs. The thing that sucks is that these areas are not even our biggest needs on D (secondary). Still, personnel-wise we haven't done a good job at bringing the right players for this system.

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[quote=Ruhskins;958772]I'm fine with staying in the 3-4, but let's get some players that fit in the system. I know he's a good player, but Cofield is not a 3-4 NT. We also need ILBs that can do a better job at covering TEs. The thing that sucks is that these areas are not even our biggest needs on D (secondary). Still, personnel-wise we haven't done a good job at bringing the right players for this system.[/quote]

I like Cofield, but also wish we had a true 3-4 NT type, like Casey Hampton.

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[quote=Mattyk;958717]I still say it doesn't matter what sort of front we run as long as the secondary stinks. If we changed to a 4-3 right now, do you really think anything would be different?[/quote]

I pointed this out before but right now we don't really have 4-3 personnel, mainly due to the fact that we're short on traditional linebackers.

I mean lets see.

OLB - Perry Riley (Coverage liability)
MLB - Fletcher
OLB - Orakpo

LDE - Carriker
DT - Bowen
DT - Cofield
RDE - Kerrigan

Ironically we have great depth on the defensive line, so much that it would be hard to give our best players up front snaps while on the back end we have an average at best LB corps. Then again that could be rectified with one offseason so maybe a switch is in the cards but theres no doubt about the fact that this team has made the transition to the 3-4.

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[quote=dmek25;958719]what about Bob Diaco of notre dame? heard whispers about him, but dont know much. except they do run a 3-4[/quote]

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