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Deion Sanders. The ONE player throughout my Skins history that I truly couldn't find myself rooting for. If he did something I had to force it into my brain "this is for the good of the team". He was the first "me first" guy I remember growing up and I hated him with such a passion.

Tony Romo took his place a few years ago, but for a while Deion was the person I hated the most in pro sports.

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[quote=12thMan;964295]I'm absolutely convinced Brunnell is a socialist.[/quote]

Well, that would explain his bankruptcy.

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john hall. ol' mister pulled quad himself.

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[quote=PWNED;964309]john hall. ol' mister pulled quad himself.[/quote]don't forget the sweatpants

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I honestly cannot see how anyone could pick someone other than Haynesworth to top the list. A complete waste -- he didn't perform on the field, didn't make any effort (think of the 2 minute flop on the ground), and couldn't have been more class-less. Oh, and he had at least two legal issues off the field come up during his brief and disasterous tenure.

As much as I didn't like Sanders, he had some flashes (he had a pick-6 against the Rams the year after they won the superbowl and we beat them at home -- 2000, if I recall correctly, for example). And he wasn't a complete pill to the organization, but he wasn't a great teammate and was past his Prime(time). But Albert was HATED by his teammates and created a circus in the locker room, and that is utterly unforgivable.

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i too have a hard time with how a person could get that much money and TOTALLY dick over their entire team/organization.

i wont TELL you the things ID do for that type of chedda.

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I'll start at the top and work my way down

Snyder - Owner
Shanahan(never liked him when he was at Denver) & Gibbs II - coach tie
QB - Grossman,Beck,George, McNabb - tie
RB - none
FB - None
WR - Lloyd
OL - okay except Rayner & Rabach
TE - none
DE - None - some we misused - no their fault
DT - Haynesworth... nuff said
LB - None
CB - Sanders - still firm beleiver no cowboy should ever be a redskin
S - Arch - nuff said again
P - none
K - Cunduff & Gano

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Jeff George and Albert Haynseworth. Those are the only two I need to list.

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Shaun tiptoe Alexander

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QB-John Beck- thank God it was a small sample. He literally made my eyes bleed.
RB - Shaun Alexander
WR-Rod Gardner
TE-Niles Paul
OT-Stephan Heyer
OG-Dockery
C- Casey Rabach
DE-Jason Taylor
DT-Haynesworth
OLB-McIntosh
MLB-Trotter
CB-Carlos Rogers / D-Hall
S-Adam Archuleta
K-Graham Gano
Coach-no comment............lol__________________

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[quote=Monkeydad;964174][B]This is the most pessimistic thread I've ever seen.


OK, here's my list![/B]

QB - Patrick Ramsey
RB - Shaun Alexander
WR - Taylor Jacobs
WR - Brandon Lloyd
Offensive lineman - Casey Rabach - wins least favorite overall
TE - can't come up with anyone

K - Shawn Suisham
P - Durant Brooks
Returner - Antawan Randel El, although I liked him on offense

CB - Carlos Rogers
S - Adam Archuleta
LB - Jason Taylor
Defensive lineman - Albert Haynesworth[/quote]

This made me laugh..................awesome.

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My list for the "Allstars of FAIL":

QB-John Beck
RB-Trung Canidate
FB-T.J.Duckett
LT-Andre Johnson
LG-Shar Pourdanesh(moved from tackle)
C-Chad Rinehart(tried C with us and Bills)
RG-Jason Fabini
RT-Tyler Polumbus
TE-Christian Fauria
WR X-Brandon Lloyd
WR Z-Micheal Westbrook
3rd WR-Devin Thomas

RDE-Jason Taylor
RDT-Dana Stubblefield
LDT-Albert Haynesworth
LDE-Kenard Lang
RLB-Antonio Pierce
MLB-Jermiah Trotter
LLB-Lavar Arrington
RCB-Carlos Rogers
FS-Mark Carrier
SS-Adam Archuletta
LCB-Dionne Sanders
P-Derrick Frost
K-Shaun Suisham(because he's good now with Pitt)

All coached by Steve Spurrier and Greg Blanche, of course.

Would love to see my team of favorite players wipe the floor with these bums.

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[quote=HailGreen28;965221]My list for the "Allstars of FAIL":

QB-John Beck
RB-Trung Canidate
FB-T.J.Duckett
LT-Andre Johnson
LG-Shar Pourdanesh(moved from tackle)
C-Chad Rinehart(tried C with us and Bills)
RG-Jason Fabini
RT-Tyler Polumbus
TE-Christian Fauria
WR X-Brandon Lloyd
WR Z-Micheal Westbrook
3rd WR-Devin Thomas

RDE-Jason Taylor
RDT-Dana Stubblefield
LDT-Albert Haynesworth
LDE-Kenard Lang
RLB-Antonio Pierce
MLB-Jermiah Trotter
LLB-Lavar Arrington
RCB-Carlos Rogers
FS-Mark Carrier
SS-Adam Archuletta
LCB-Dionne Sanders
P-Derrick Frost
K-Shaun Suisham(because he's good now with Pitt)

All coached by Steve Spurrier and Greg Blanche, of course.

Would love to see my team of favorite players wipe the floor with these bums.[/quote]

love the list, but Pierce and Arrington?

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[quote=punch it in;965258]love the list, but Pierce and Arrington?[/quote]Pierce partly because he trashed the organization after the Giants just outbid us. (We should have outbid the giants, but that's another issue). And partly just because he was a another chippy Giants player.

Lavar seemed happy going to Pro Bowls while the team stunk. But when Gibbs and Williams started coaching against freelancing and preferential treatment on the sidelines, suddenly Arrington wasn't happy. And our defense was better without him.

Add Lavar's trash-talking the coaches right before the playoffs in '05, and calling Gibbs a coward for leaving the team himself in '07 (in circumstances a lot different than L. "playbook" Arrington did)......

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QB - Jeff George
RB - TJ Duckett
WR - Brandon Lloyd
WR - Jerome Mathis (The fact that we even looked at this guy is still enough to make my blood boil).
TE - Zeron Flemister
OT - Stephon Heyer
OG - Chad Rinehart
OC - Casey Rabach

DT - Haynesworth
DE - Jason Taylor
OLB - LaVar
MLB - Robert Henson
CB - DeAngelo Hall
FS - Laron Landry
SS - Adam Archuletta

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[quote=HailGreen28;965276]Pierce partly because he trashed the organization after the Giants just outbid us. (We should have outbid the giants, but that's another issue). And partly just because he was a another chippy Giants player.
[/quote]

Actually in retrospect not bidding for Pierce worked out perfectly. Fletcher is still playing at a high level and Pierce is working in the studio despite being 3 years younger.

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I dislike players where we drafted them too high, traded away too much, or killed our cap by paying them too much. That's not to say I didn't root for them to pan out. A few at the top of my list:

1. [B]Albert Haynesworth[/B] - probably everyone's #1.
1a. [B]Adam Archuleta[/B] - gave this bum the biggest Safety contract at the time and allowed Ryan Clark to walk for relative peanuts.
2. [B]Heath Shuler[/B] - Top 5 picks that bust are franchise killers.
3. [B]Desmond Howard[/B] - See Heath Shuler
4. [B]Jason Taylor[/B] - wish we had that 2nd round pick back
5. [B]Donovan McNabb[/B] - ditto
6. [B]Brandon Lloyd[/B] - blame the FO for tearing up the final year of his contract and handing him millions. Never scored a regular season TD in burgundy and gold.
7. [B]T.J. Duckett[/B] - Question to the FO - WHY?
8. [B]Danny Weurfel[/B] - Didn't give up anything to get him, but he was still Spurrier's boy wonder.
9. [B]Speaking of Spurrier[/B] - If I could put a coach on my least favorites list, it would be him. He took Snyder's millions, yet his heart was never all in.
10. [B]Dana Stubblefield[/B]
11. [B]Meion[/B]

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Brandon Banks

And I think I might have Westbrook on both my favorite and least favorite lists

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Thread title should be changed to "How do you spell Deion?".

I've always hated the superstar players way past their prime.
Irving Fryer
Bruce Smith
Dieon Sanders

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QB. Jeff George..
Dline. Fat Albert

Are there two worse individuals that you could have on your team?

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[quote=53Fan;964108]I'll start at QB. Donovan McNabb. Close second Jeff George WR Brandon Lloyd CB Deion Sanders DT Albert Haynesworthless Safety Adam Archuletta OLB Warrick Holdman Thanks PainTrain..almost forgot MLB Jeremiah Trotter. RB Clinton Portis.[/quote]

George was a flat out dick. At least McNabb was somewhat liked by teammates. Remember the quote by George? "That leadership stuff is overrated!" lol.

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I figure I'll toss mine in:
QB: Danny Wuerffel (George and Brunell are distance 2nd and 3rd)
HB: Ladell Betts
WR: Jacquez Green
OL: Levi Jones

DL: Haynesworth
LB: Warrick Holdman
CB: Carlos Rogers
SS: Ifeanyi Ohalete
FS: Matt Bowen

P: Durant Brooks
K: Gano

[QUOTE=PWNED;964312]i too have a hard time with how a person could get that much money and TOTALLY dick over their entire team/organization.

i wont TELL you the things ID do for that type of chedda.[/QUOTE]

Lmao.

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[quote=skinsfan69;965418]George was a flat out dick. At least McNabb was somewhat liked by teammates. Remember the quote by George? "That leadership stuff is overrated!" lol.[/quote]

The fact that we brought that bum in and totally dicked over Brad Johnson will always burn me. Perfect example of what was wrong with the Snyder/Vinny era.

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[quote=skinsfan69;965418]George was a flat out dick. At least McNabb was somewhat liked by teammates. Remember the quote by George? "That leadership stuff is overrated!" lol.[/quote]

Wasn't George the QB one of the Cowgirls dragged by the collar after sacking him and our O-Line just stood there and watched it? Nobody liked that prick.

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[quote=53Fan;965488]Wasn't George the QB one of the Cowgirls dragged by the collar after sacking him and our O-Line just stood there and watched it? Nobody liked that prick.[/quote]

Yup, Ekuban I think it was

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Brandon Banks. If youre going to devote a roster spot to a return specialist, he atleast needs to be good. Banks has zero value on offense and negligbile value on special teams. every year i hope its the year the coaches finally decide hes not worth keeping... and ever year thecoaches keep him anyway. why?

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;965496]Brandon Banks. If youre going to devote a roster spot to a return specialist, he atleast needs to be good. Banks has zero value on offense and negligbile value on special teams. every year i hope its the year the coaches finally decide hes not worth keeping... and ever year thecoaches keep him anyway. why?[/quote]

Well, I mean what else could we use that roster spot for? If you're not going to provide a solution you can't point out the problem :)

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I would say about Jeff George though, that I didn't ever really feel he was a bad person in my interactions with him. He was quiet and a bit of a loner, but not an a-hole by any means.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;965309]Actually in retrospect not bidding for Pierce worked out perfectly. Fletcher is still playing at a high level and Pierce is working in the studio despite being 3 years younger.[/quote]True, Pierce wouldn't have helped us now, but whoever would be depth between Pierce, MacIntosh, or Washington would have been nice. Assuming we still draft Rocky with a 2nd rd pick in '06.

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[quote=SmootSmack;965517]I would say about Jeff George though, that I didn't ever really feel he was a bad person in my interactions with him. He was [B]quiet and a bit of a loner[/B], but not an a-hole by any means.[/quote]

Bad combo for a QB.

I don't know that he was an a-hole, but he certainly didn't garner much respect from his teammates wherever he played.

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[quote=SmootSmack;965495]Yup, Ekuban I think it was[/quote]Mildly surprised the refs did nothing. I think that game was at dallass.

[QUOTE=HailGreen28;965276]Pierce partly because he trashed the organization after the Giants just outbid us. (We should have outbid the giants, but that's another issue). And partly just because he was a another chippy Giants player.

Lavar seemed happy going to Pro Bowls while the team stunk. But when Gibbs and Williams started coaching against freelancing and preferential treatment on the sidelines, suddenly Arrington wasn't happy. And our defense was better without him.

Add Lavar's trash-talking the coaches right before the playoffs in '05, and calling Gibbs a coward for leaving the team himself in '07 (in circumstances a lot different than L. "playbook" Arrington did)......[/QUOTE]

Im holding personality out of this and based my list on what they did or did not do for the team. Haynesworth would ofcourse encompass all of that. Pierce - arrington - portis - guys like that may have rubbed some the wrong way but there are countless others at those positions that fit the bill better imo. I remember them taking Lavar out on third down plays all the time that last year he was here. almost seemed out of spite - power trip - to me?

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[quote=punch it in;965532]Im holding personality out of this and based my list on what they did or did not do for the team. Haynesworth would ofcourse encompass all of that. Pierce - arrington - portis - guys like that may have rubbed some the wrong way but there are countless others at those positions that fit the bill better imo. I remember them taking Lavar out on third down plays all the time that last year he was here. almost seemed out of spite - power trip - to me?[/quote]Lemar Marshall started playing in Lavar's spot, in'04, and we didn't miss a beat.

We had a top 5 defense in '05 without Lavar, too. His knee injury was a legitimate issue, but Lavar trashed the coaches first for holding him out, then trashed them for putting him back in too early. :doh: Add his wanting to freelance in William's gap defense, how could you work with that guy? The Giants spent big money on him, and got practically nothing from him. Except a copy of our playbook.

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[quote=Mattyk;965526]Bad combo for a QB.

I don't know that he was an a-hole, but he certainly didn't garner much respect from his teammates wherever he played.[/quote]

Terrible combo. The whole Snyder/Cerrato/Turner/Johnson/George ordeal was one of the worst things I've seen. It was like a soap opera. And honestly the one person who acted the most "mature" about it at all from my perspective was George

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[quote=The Goat;965516]Well, I mean what else could we use that roster spot for? If you're not going to provide a solution you can't point out the problem :)[/quote]

any player on any NFL practice squad at any position. Seriously. Banks is a one trick pony thats not even good at his one trick. I would rather develop any player at any position that has multiple ways to contribute to the team than waste a roster spot on Banks.

The additional problem with banks is that, if you have him on the 53 as a returns specialist, you also have to have him on the gameday 46. So where as most teams have 46 "useful" players on their roster on gameday, we only have 45. if we used Banks rosterspot on someone who could also play DB/LB/DL/OL/TE/RB/WR, we'd have a player who could step in if one of our primary guys were injured. With Banks, youre not going to put him in on offense if Moss gets hurt. Instead, you'll play an extra TE. Banks is completely useless in every way possible.

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[quote=SmootSmack;965540]Terrible combo. The whole Snyder/Cerrato/Turner/Johnson/George ordeal was one of the worst things I've seen. It was like a soap opera. [B]And honestly the one person who acted the most "mature" about it at all from my perspective was George[/B][/quote]

Interesting. Well it wasn't his fault he was brought in. I'm sure in some respect it was awkward for him coming in with an already established guy here in Johnson.

It all started when Snyder fired Casserly. All downhill from there.

[QUOTE=HailGreen28;965536]Lemar Marshall started playing in Lavar's spot, in'04, and we didn't miss a beat.

We had a top 5 defense in '05 without Lavar, too. His knee injury was a legitimate issue, but Lavar trashed the coaches first for holding him out, then trashed them for putting him back in too early. :doh: Add his wanting to freelance in William's gap defense, how could you work with that guy? The Giants spent big money on him, and got practically nothing from him. Except a copy of our playbook.[/QUOTE]

Fair enough. Cant put him on my list but fair enough.

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I wouldn't put LaVar on my least fav list, wouldn't put him on my fav list either. Overall I think he was a little overrated. Fantastic talent, but I never got the impression he was all in as far as studying the game and really putting in the work off the field to be the best that he could be.

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[quote=Mattyk;965550]I wouldn't put LaVar on my least fav list, wouldn't put him on my fav list either. Overall I think he was a little overrated. Fantastic talent, but I never got the impression he was all in as far as studying the game and really putting in the work off the field to be the best that he could be.[/quote]

Agreed. I think a lot of the negativism towards LA is the type where people look and hate on him because he didn't seem to care enough to maximize his production relative to his talents. That always triggers a little more emotionalism from a certain set of people. Which I think is somewhat understandable.