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[quote=Bucket;966064]This is thread of the year.. Did you see his post game speech? I mean, people say he doesn't have an impact in the locker room just show their bleeding ignorance. He is a motivator..[/quote]

[url=http://www.nfl.com/videos/washington-redskins/0ap2000000108269/Mike-Shanahan-You-guys-did-it-again]Mike Shanahan: 'You guys did it again' - NFL Videos[/url]

Can't help but like Shanahan. At least a little bit.

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I really wanted to bump the "Should Mike be fired thread" but it's locked. Would of loved to re-live all those glorious opinions from the torch lighters who now are the same people rocking Mike Shanahan T-shirts

Hey I was on board to let ms go after 3-6 but I was wrong! He's done a great job

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Playoff cannon!

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Dare I say Shanahan could get some coach of the year consideration if we win out and take the east.

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[quote=HailGreen28;965251]I'm still trying to wrap my brain around the idea of giving a guy a five year contract, swearing to be patient knowing the job may take five years, and then wanting to fire him halfway thru his contract because the job isn't done yet.[/quote]

I wouldn't mind that if it was someone like Jim Zorn who we were talking about or Spurrier but with Shanahan it's a different story. I mean I'm not ready to give up dime a dozen 1,000 yard rushers and a blocking scheme that makes Offensive Lineman.... overachieve.

On top of that theres the roster turnover which happens with virtually any coaching change but seeing the troubles with Denvers offense after Shanny left makes me more hesitant to pull the plug. As many Denver fans will tell you their offensive line went from being a top 5 unit to a liability with virtually the same personnel in less then a year.

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[quote=Mattyk;976471]Dare I say Shanahan could get some coach of the year consideration if we win out and take the east.[/quote]Even given a seven game winning streak and a 10-6 finish, that's a tough sell. I mean, no matter what, Green Bay is doing something at least as impressive as the Redskins, but against tougher competition. Same with the Seahawks.

Today makes it clear that this team is about more than just Griffin though. For Alfred Morris to be running just as hard against the Browns in the fourth quarter of a December slugfest as he was in the preseason as a rookie trying to make the team: that's ridiculous.

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He should at least be mentioned in the conversation, all I'm saying.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;976479]I wouldn't mind that if it was someone like Jim Zorn who we were talking about or Spurrier but with Shanahan it's a different story. I mean I'm not ready to give up dime a dozen 1,000 yard rushers and a blocking scheme that makes Offensive Lineman.... overachieve.

On top of that theres the roster turnover which happens with virtually any coaching change but seeing the troubles with Denvers offense after Shanny left makes me more hesitant to pull the plug. As many Denver fans will tell you their offensive line went from being a top 5 unit to a liability with virtually the same personnel in less then a year.[/quote]

McDaniels was a disaster, but the talent was there. Denver is a truly elite team today.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;976479]I wouldn't mind that if it was someone like Jim Zorn who we were talking about or Spurrier but with Shanahan it's a different story. I mean I'm not ready to give up dime a dozen 1,000 yard rushers and a blocking scheme that makes Offensive Lineman.... overachieve.

On top of that theres the roster turnover which happens with virtually any coaching change but seeing the troubles with Denvers offense after Shanny left makes me more hesitant to pull the plug. As many Denver fans will tell you their offensive line went from being a top 5 unit to a liability with virtually the same personnel in less then a year.[/quote]I really don't think Denver is lamenting the loss of Mike Shanahan right now. They look like a potential super bowl winner.

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[quote=Mattyk;976488]He should at least be mentioned in the conversation, all I'm saying.[/quote]That would be a long conversation involving at least 12 other names. Including Bruce Arians, who didn't even begin the year as a HC.

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Needless, the Shanahan coaching prospectus is clearly a lot different than it was going into the bye week. At this point, the important coaching discussion centers around the best way to retain a staff for next year, not who will coach the team.

The staff overall has been hit and miss this year, and generally bad over the last three years. So it's an obvious spot for the Redskins to address in the offseason. But at least now the discussion about Haslett's future doesn't feel like a mere head coach self-preservation argument.

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[quote=GTripp0012;976492]That would be a long conversation involving at least 12 other names. Including Bruce Arians, who didn't even begin the year as a HC.[/quote]

12 names?

I'd probably have a hard time naming more than 6.

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[quote=GTripp0012;976487]Even given a seven game winning streak and a 10-6 finish, that's a tough sell. I mean, no matter what, Green Bay is doing something at least as impressive as the Redskins, but against tougher competition. Same with the Seahawks.

Today makes it clear that this team is about more than just Griffin though. For Alfred Morris to be running just as hard against the Browns in the fourth quarter of a December slugfest as he was in the preseason as a rookie trying to make the team: that's ridiculous.[/quote]

Mike has to be given credit, for doing what he's supposed to do. Given the RG trade and salary cap situation, we're a win now team. Mike is (finally) winning some games now. It's exactly what should be expected, so no you can't take him serious as COY.

It's like when people try to give/take credit for doing exactly what's reasonably expected..."I work hard at my job." "I take good care of my kids." We're supposed to do that stuff lol.

But yeah if Seattle wins a playoff game you gotta give Pete serious consideration (and I don't even like the guy). Same for McCarthy.

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I thought most experts had our expectation at 8-8 (at the very best) or so coming into this year, most fans did too. Going worst to first in the east would be a bit more than expected if you ask me. Add in a potential 7 game streak after being left for dead at 3-6. All with 2 rookie QBs and a rookie RB.

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[quote=Mattyk;976499]I thought most experts had our expectation at 8-8 (at the very best) or so coming into this year, most fans did too. Going worst to first in the east would be a bit more than expected if you ask me. Add in a potential 7 game streak after being left for dead at 3-6.[/quote]Yeah but it's not like we activated Mike and Kyle off IR to save the team after Haslett led us to a disastrous 3-6 start. That was merely the fan perception around the situation at the time.

We're where we are today because the defense has been closer to average than awful in the last four games and the offense stopped the free fall it took into the bye week and has developed a pretty efficient passing game which was not there prior to the bye week.

The one coach that deserves the most credit for that, I believe, is Kyle Shanahan, but it is ultimately a full team effort.

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[quote=The Goat;976498]Mike has to be given credit, for doing what he's supposed to do. Given the RG trade and salary cap situation, we're a win now team. Mike is (finally) winning some games now. It's exactly what should be expected, so no you can't take him serious as COY.

[B]It's like when people try to give/take credit for doing exactly what's reasonably expected..."I work hard at my job." "I take good care of my kids." We're supposed to do that stuff lol.[/B]

But yeah if Seattle wins a playoff game you gotta give Pete serious consideration (and I don't even like the guy). Same for McCarthy.[/quote]

horribly weak arguement. Rookie QB, tough division, injuries, and a team that was bad last year and not expected to do shit. Mike is clearly in the convo, give me an effing break.

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This game had me worried but it turned out to be an exercise in play calling. Props to Kyle for a magnificent game plan and play calling.

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7 wins in a row? Two rookie QBs? Rookie RB? Missing the top WR for most of the year. Davis, Helu, Carriker, Orakpo also gone for much of the year...of course he'd get consideration.

That said I give to Carroll

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What happens to that 8-8 expectation when the division-favorite Eagles turn into a full-season disaster who we play twice a season?

We always had the talent for 9-10 wins this year. It looked real dismal at 3-6, but it turns out the team was underachieving at that point. They've overachieved the last five games. And the end result is now a two-game season against Philadelphia and Dallas to determine the NFC East. We're right where we're supposed to be.

[QUOTE=GTripp0012;976507]What happens to that 8-8 expectation when the division-favorite Eagles turn into a full-season disaster who we play twice a season?

We always had the talent for 9-10 wins this year. It looked real dismal at 3-6, but it turns out the team was underachieving at that point. They've overachieved the last five games. And the end result is now a two-game season against Philadelphia and Dallas to determine the NFC East. We're right where we're supposed to be.[/QUOTE]

You were ready to fire him for his underachievement. (And called us morons for supporting him). Seems to me he should get commensurate praise for the over achievement.

Sorry, count me unimpressed woth your reasoning.

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[quote=Bucket;976456]I really wanted to bump the "Should Mike be fired thread" but it's locked. Would of loved to re-live all those glorious opinions from the torch lighters who now are the same people rocking Mike Shanahan T-shirts[/quote]


They should reopen that thread and let some of those peeps eat some crow.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;976530]You were ready to fire him for his underachievement. (And called us morons for supporting him). Seems to me he should get commensurate praise for the over achievement.

Sorry, count me unimpressed woth your reasoning.[/quote]Just stop. No one called anyone a moron for supporting him. The specific comment you're refering to was directed at the idea that waiting five years (as opposed to three) was a wise move. Which remains every bit as moronic now as it was then.

The reason no one is talking about firing Mike Shanahan now is because he's winning games in year three, which is the baseline expectation for anyone who holds employment as an NFL head coach, including Zorn, Gibbs, Spurrier, Schottenheimer, and Turner. He's actually passed Zorn in winning percentage here, so good for him.

There's still a job to finish here, but the Redskins are back on the right track, so there's no imperative to make a change at the top right now.

The interesting discussion in the offseason will be where to go from here. And it will have to wait (hopefully) on the results of our playoff run.

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[quote=NC_Skins;976536]They should reopen that thread and let some of those peeps eat some crow.[/quote]Or you could start a new one.

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[quote=GTripp0012;976542]Or you could start a new one.[/quote]

some people just cant get enough of "i told you so"

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[quote=Chico23231;976544]some people just cant get enough of "i told you so"[/quote]Well, those who aren't right very much have a tendency to want to milk it.

If I really wanted to, I could spin the second half surge of the Redskins as something I was right on because I advocated patience for the remainder of the season with the coaching staff. But that would be claiming victory in the middle of a process that hasn't played itself out quite yet. I'm just happy the Redskins are back on track.

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Kevin Sheehan brings up a great point in indicators for the health of an organization. You lose your starting rookie QB and your BU rookie QB (that you drafted) brings it home. Not to mention that 11 draft picks that you drafted contribute meaningfully.
And you shift gears in your O to match your QB and down the road you go.
Mike and Co and BA deserve a huge Attaboy for the turnaround that is in progress in DC currently............HTTR

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[quote=GTripp0012;976538]Just stop. No one called anyone a moron for supporting him. The specific comment you're refering to was directed at the idea that waiting five years (as opposed to three) was a wise move. Which remains every bit as moronic now as it was then.

The reason no one is talking about firing Mike Shanahan now is because he's winning games in year three, which is the baseline expectation for anyone who holds employment as an NFL head coach, including Zorn, Gibbs, Spurrier, Schottenheimer, and Turner. He's actually passed Zorn in winning percentage here, so good for him.

There's still a job to finish here, but the Redskins are back on the right track, so there's no imperative to make a change at the top right now.

The interesting discussion in the offseason will be where to go from here. And it will have to wait (hopefully) on the results of our playoff run.[/quote]

GTripp I love the insight and analysis you provide this forum.

But there will be no discussion regarding the Shanahan's in the off season even if we were to lose out from here. And your "no imperative to make a change at the top right now" statement is self-righteous BS. Your ego is exceeding your grasp of what's going on here.

IMHO

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I think the incredible results of the 2012 draft class have somewhat masked the fact that the 2011 draft class took a large step back this year (and that the 2010 class took a step forward). You can see that the Redskins depth is moving in a positive direction overall at a lot of positions.

But that was my argument in favor of the Cousins pick on the day it was made. It was a depth pick, and it got crucified. Defensively, the Redskins actually have less depth now than they did in 2010, but at least they aren't a disaster in spite of their weaknesses. And the offense just put up 38 on a decent defensive team without it's starting quarterback and with the team's top receiving target on injured reserve.

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[quote=SCRedskinsFan;976549]GTripp I love the insight and analysis you provide this forum.

But there will be no discussion regarding the Shanahan's in the off season even if we were to lose out from here. And your "no imperative to make a change at the top right now" statement is self-righteous BS. Your ego is exceeding your grasp of what's going on here.

IMHO[/quote]Agreed, but that's been the problem all along: a lack of accountability.

When you're winning games, accountability is something you talk about in a positive light. That's the difference now.

And this really isn't about me at all, but whatever.

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bruce and Mike have done it the right way. Aside from a couple bumps {McNabb}, stuck to the draft and was patient in finding the right QBs to run his system. Anybody who thought this woulda been in first two years is certifiable insane. Glad we are finally reaping the benifits of a cohesive plan

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[quote=Chico23231;976560]bruce and Mike have done it the right way. Aside from a couple bumps {McNabb}, stuck to the draft and was patient in finding the right QBs to run his system. [B]Anybody who thought this woulda been in first two years is certifiable insane[/B]. Glad we are finally reaping the benifits of a cohesive plan[/quote]

In one of Mike's first presser's he stated this was a 5 year deal and thinking differently was foolish.........
Seems to be working out.

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[quote=Chico23231;976560]bruce and Mike have done it the right way. Aside from a couple bumps {McNabb}, stuck to the draft and was patient in finding the right QBs to run his system. Anybody who thought this woulda been in first two years is certifiable insane. Glad we are finally reaping the benifits of a cohesive plan[/quote]I want to see them sustain it. If they can build up around Griffin without the benefit of any first round picks the next two years, then they've done a really good job.

Or if they win the Superbowl this year, I don't give a crap if they sustain it.

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Dude is looking like a genius right now.

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[quote=Chico23231;976501]horribly weak arguement. Rookie QB, tough division, injuries, and a team that was bad last year and not expected to do shit. Mike is clearly in the convo, give me an effing break.[/quote]

Wrong. Rookie QB we bet the farm on because he's arguably the most dynamic athlete in pro football and actually been better than anyone expected. We're actually one of the healthier teams right now, and have been remarkably healthy across the oline this season. And finally, the last two years have been atrocious (Zorn-line in wins) because we were rebuilding, right? We're a win now team. Next year we're likely to see defenses catch up to us a bit, most QBs experience some kind of sophomore slump, and again we're not in any position to add significant talent in the next two years UNLESS we bet the farm in the next decade lol.

Unless you think Mike has suddenly become a defensive expert, as in he took the scheming away from Haslett, I don't know how you even put Mike as the most improved coach on the team, let alone the league. Haslett, who seemed overwhelmed the first half of the season, has schemed his way back into respectability. Kyle, who flashed genius early, is putting whole games together now instead of just series and quarters.

Where Mike gets credit is not buckling under the intense pressure of being 3-6 when he's coaching a win now team. It's not a small thing IMO, takes some real brass.

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All this team ever needed was a good QB, thats the big difference this season. Shanny deserves all the credit because he had the balls to finally brake the bank for a great QB (RG3). Not only that but took the insurance and drafted Cousins as well. Great job Shanny!

[QUOTE=The Goat;976603]Wrong. Rookie QB we bet the farm on because he's arguably the most dynamic athlete in pro football and actually been better than anyone expected. We're actually one of the healthier teams right now, and have been remarkably healthy across the oline this season. And finally, the last two years have been atrocious (Zorn-line in wins) because we were rebuilding, right? We're a win now team. Next year we're likely to see defenses catch up to us a bit, most QBs experience some kind of sophomore slump, and again we're not in any position to add significant talent in the next two years UNLESS we bet the farm in the next decade lol.

Unless you think Mike has suddenly become a defensive expert, as in he took the scheming away from Haslett, I don't know how you even put Mike as the most improved coach on the team, let alone the league. Haslett, who seemed overwhelmed the first half of the season, has schemed his way back into respectability. Kyle, who flashed genius early, is putting whole games together now instead of just series and quarters.

Where Mike gets credit is not buckling under the intense pressure of being 3-6 when he's coaching a win now team. It's not a small thing IMO, takes some real brass.[/QUOTE]

so much wrong...

we aren't one of the healthier teams.. its on you to prove an obviously wrong statement

qb slumps are highly overblown. Newton's stats are better this year, Flacco and Ryan have had highly productive seasons every year. I looked at stats for a bunch of qbs at one point and the drop in passer rating was mostly 1 or 2 points or non-existent. QBs in good schemes don't generally suddenly slump.

We are short 1 draft pick next year, so far we have found several good late round picks so I don't think suddenly we will find no talent to keep building. We are winning now, but not a "win now" team mode. We have youth infused on both sides of the team, and will keep adding througb FA AND the draft.

I do agree both coordinators have stepped up during this winning streak.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;976641]so much wrong...

we aren't one of the healthier teams.. its on you to prove an obviously wrong statement

qb slumps are highly overblown. Newton's stats are better this year, Flacco and Ryan have had highly productive seasons every year. I looked at stats for a bunch of qbs at one point and the drop in passer rating was mostly 1 or 2 points or non-existent. QBs in good schemes don't generally suddenly slump.

We are short 1 draft pick next year, so far we have found several good late round picks so I don't think suddenly we will find no talent to keep building. We are winning now, but not a "win now" team mode. We have youth infused on both sides of the team, and will keep adding througb FA AND the draft.

[B]I do agree both coordinators have stepped up during this winning streak.[/B][/quote]

Yes, they've stepped up.

Having said that, I still think Haslett needs to go next year. Especially with Better DCs out there or that will be out there, like Ron Rivera and Romeo Crennel.

Don't think the skins would get rid of him? One name for you; Clancy Pendergast. He was the DC for the Cardinals that year they went to the Super Bowl (defense was a lot like ours; Inconsistent most of the year, good for the playoffs, and blew big plays in the super bowl) and they fired him after the super bowl...

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I am not going to cry if Haslett is gone, but when you think about how this D has taken control in the 2nd half since the Dallas game, and we should get more talent on that side of the ball in the off season, plus our guys back I could be ok if he stays as well.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;976641]so much wrong...

we aren't one of the healthier teams.. its on you to prove an obviously wrong statement

qb slumps are highly overblown. [B]Newton's stats are better this year[/B], Flacco and Ryan have had highly productive seasons every year. I looked at stats for a bunch of qbs at one point and the drop in passer rating was mostly 1 or 2 points or non-existent. QBs in good schemes don't generally suddenly slump.

We are short 1 draft pick next year, so far we have found several good late round picks so I don't think suddenly we will find no talent to keep building. We are winning now, but not a "win now" team mode. We have youth infused on both sides of the team, and will keep adding througb FA AND the draft.

I do agree both coordinators have stepped up during this winning streak.[/quote]When you wrote that I was thinking "there is no way that's true."

And yet it is.