Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

[quote=3MiamiDade21egend6;965534]Unfortunately, those classifications are not defined within the scope of football, so the classification is nothing more than the diagnosis; making their analytical relevance "a wash." We have a bad history within the organization of players suffering non-career threatening injuries yet never finding the field on a consistent basis after the fact, as an example. And though I may not be a doctor, I am a graduate of my university's school of health and human performance; so I insist that you do not pass "the new guy's" rant as one of angered stuper.[/quote]

Anyone else here think 3MiamiDade posts in a way uncannily similar to fanarchist?

Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

[quote=3MiamiDade21egend6;965534]Unfortunately, those classifications are not defined within the scope of football, so the classification is nothing more than the diagnosis; making their analytical relevance "a wash." We have a bad history within the organization of players suffering non-career threatening injuries yet never finding the field on a consistent basis after the fact, as an example. And though I may not be a doctor, I am a graduate of my university's school of health and human performance; so I insist that you do not pass "the new guy's" rant as one of angered stuper.[/quote]

Ya know, 20 years ago I took several advanced statistics courses from U of Md. Since then I have done 0 work in the field. So you sound like you have more practical experience. And, I think some on here had said that our facilities were the worst in the league a few years ago. I also thought it had been said that we had moved up the food chain and that ours weren't as bad as they used to be.

Overall, I think every year, every team has certain players go out, and not come back as fast. In fact teams that don't have that seem more like the anomaly or lucky ones.

[QUOTE=Hail to the SteelSkins;965538]Anyone decent on the FA market at Safety?

Thoughts on Ray Ray Armstrong? (due to his situation he should fall pretty late in the draft next year, or am I just hoping he will be half as good as Sean T because of all the early rumors about him?)[/QUOTE]

Miami grad here. Huge Ray Ray fan - mentioned him a couple months ago in another thread. Could be a huge steal in the later rounds.

Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

[quote=NC_Skins;965535]This is some absolutely shitty ****ing news. God damnit.




How many of those teams are down 7 starters for the year? (and still being competitive) It's not like we've lost backups or lost a guy for a few weeks. We've lost guys for the season. You can't lose that many starters (especially quality ones) for that length of time and do well.[/quote]

Plenty of injuries to go around

[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/injuries/pup]NFL Injury Report - CBSSports.com Player Injuries[/url]

Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;965542]What is your basis for this conclusion? Sports medicine is a well developed field. Experts conduct research and regularly provide testimony and reports based on that research in the area all the time. Sarcasm aside, I believe your assertion to be false and, at best, speculative. I would post links demonstrating the falsity of your assertion, but I am at work and have access issses.



I would? And how would you prove this lack of competence?

Facts and expert analysis are absolutely relevant as to whether the Skins staff is incompetent. The question of "competence" is determined by whether or not the techniques, methods and practices of the Redskins trainers conform the standards within the industry. Are they performing the required tests? Are they taking the steps indicated by medical professionals who analyze these things for a living, etc.

Do you have any medical training? Do you know the standards within the industry? Can you tell me what, specifically, the Skins trainers are not doing which trainers in professional leagues are doing and should be doing? If not, you're conclusion that the Skins' trainers are incompetent is, again, base speculation.

You want to believe they are incompetent? Fine. In doing so, however, and without comparative facts or expert opinions, you are simply giving an uniformed opinion.

You, of course, are free to talk out your ass all you like. Your attempt to defend your speculative opinions by asserting that informed opinions can't be made, however, is, at best, wrong and, at worst, ignorant.[/quote]

JR...he's not interested in your silly notion of "facts" and quantitative evaluation that could provide concrete conclusions approaching 100% certainty. He just KNOWS the truth.

Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

[quote=Mattyk;965549]Plenty of injuries to go around

[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/injuries/pup]NFL Injury Report - CBSSports.com Player Injuries[/url][/quote]not hagans!

Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

[quote=3MiamiDade21egend6;965534]Unfortunately, those classifications are not defined within the scope of football, so the classification is nothing more than the diagnosis; making their analytical relevance "a wash." We have a bad history within the organization of players suffering non-career threatening injuries yet never finding the field on a consistent basis after the fact, as an example. And though I may not be a doctor, [B]I am a graduate of my university's school of health and human performance; so I insist that you do not pass "the new guy's" rant as one of angered stuper[/B].[/quote]

Wait, so did your University's "Health and Human Performance" degree include any kind of research into the causes and prevention of sports related injuries? The study or reliance on that research? Practicals in how to treat and prevent sports related injuries? An understanding of what constitutes appropriate treatment/prevention?

In light of this, how can you assert that the opinions of medical professionals is irrelevant and that creating some analytical array for comparing the Skins injuries to those of other teams is impossible? Conversely, you make this assertion but then, in the same breath, say we should consider your opinion as informed b/c you went obtained a degree apparently based on the research and study of those general principals.

I am not a trainer but I played one on TV. :doh:

Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

This sorta thing makes me miss Ryan Clark, LaRon Landry, and Sean Taylor even more! There was a time when our safety core was the least of our worries. Then those dumb ass kids took Sean from this earth, and we let Clark and Landry walk away.

The answer is simple, sign Stanford Routt and move Hall to FS. We have missed a true ball hawk back there at FS, and let's be honest, Hall's only true talent is gambling and hawking the ball.

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;965535]This is some absolutely shitty ****ing news. God damnit.

Keep hearing how injuries happen to all teams. Well, how many of those teams are down 7 starters for the year? (and still being competitive) It's not like we've lost backups or lost a guy for a few weeks. We've lost guys for the season. You can't lose that many starters (especially quality ones) for that length of time and do well.[/QUOTE]

I count four starters. BW, davis, carriker and Rak? Helu i never considered a starter and he wouldnt be even if he was completely healthy. Brown may be a starter but nobody expected him to sniff the playing field anyway. We are definitely not that bad off. Our o- line has stayed healthy above all expectations. Paulsen has been a major step it up guy. Garcon being out for all those weeks sucked but he is back and hopefully ready to contribute as we try and make a run. If you showed me this list before the year Rak is the only guy i would have probably puked in my mouth about. Carriker sucks too but hell injuries happen. And Garcon but he is back. I dont think the injury bug has crapped all over us - not by any stretch.

[quote=los panda;965552]not hagans![/quote]

fml!

Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

Guys are going to get hurt. I'm just hoping the mandatory rule to wear the thigh and knee pads in 2013 will help reduce the injuries. I know players will say the pads do nothing but slow a player down, but it didn't seem to bother players from the 80's and 90's, so I don't see why it would make that big of a difference in performance. I mean, if the NBA players are wearing more pads than the NFL players, there's something weird with that.

Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

[quote=3MiamiDade21egend6;965522]^ in regards to your sarcasm: there is virtually no conceivable method of developing an equation that would accurately illustrate the competency of the group in question. There are simply to many variables in place (bone breaks vs muscle tears, recurring injuries, etc.) when your field of inquiry is a sport as violent as football. Were you to consider the majority of our more recent injuries however, you would find that most are easily reduced in their frequency, if said group had a more "competent" understanding of preventative medicine, which we currently seem to lack.[/quote]

WTF! This post deserves a one month ban, it makes my ears bleed.

JoeR, could he be a lawyer? Be honest...

Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

[quote=FRPLG;965551]JR...he's not interested in your silly notion of "facts" and quantitative evaluation that could provide concrete conclusions approaching 100% certainty. [B]He just KNOWS the truth[/B].[/quote]

Ahhhh ... How foolish of me to doubt him then.

Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

He was laying the wood for the little bit of play he had. Hopefully he can come back next year.

Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

Doughty is back. REJOICE!

[QUOTE=#21Taylor4Ever;965554]This sorta thing makes me miss Ryan Clark, LaRon Landry, and Sean Taylor even more! There was a time when our safety core was the least of our worries. Then those dumb ass kids took Sean from this earth, and we let Clark and Landry walk away.

The answer is simple, sign Stanford Routt and move Hall to FS. We have missed a true ball hawk back there at FS, and let's be honest, Hall's only true talent is gambling and hawking the ball.[/QUOTE]

Stanford Routt stinks. I know our secondary isnt good - at all - but this guy is so overrated by people for some reason - he is not the answer. He would be the new poster child for our piss poor secondary within seconds of him running onto the field for the first time.

Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

[quote=3MiamiDade21egend6;965534]Unfortunately, those classifications are not defined within the scope of football, so the classification is nothing more than the diagnosis; making their analytical relevance "a wash." We have a bad history within the organization of players suffering non-career threatening injuries yet never finding the field on a consistent basis after the fact, as an example. And though I may not be a doctor, I am a graduate of my university's school of health and human performance; so I insist that you do not pass "the new guy's" rant as one of angered stuper.[/quote]

Stuper?

Well, I stayed at the Holiday Inn Express last night...

Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

3MiamiDade21egend6:

I think you might have a point that you are not making very elegantly. I don't know that anyone is specifically saying there ISN'T a problem more than we're saying that we're not so sure and would like to see some type of analysis beyond "I know what I'm talking about and you should just believe me".

EDIT: and if you're not interested in making a point and backing it up with some type of proof then not many will be interested in said point. Moreover, if you openly eschew rational evaluation people will probably only continue to ridicule you.

Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

[quote=SCRedskinsFan;965560]WTF! This post deserves a one month ban, it makes my ears bleed.

JoeR, could he be a lawyer? Be honest...[/quote]

Sure, there are a lot of lawyers out there who spout nonsense. Hell, I make stuff up all the time - you just never know when someone might actually believe you. [Cue CRed's sarcastic response ...]

Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

[quote=SmootSmack;965546]Anyone else here think 3MiamiDade posts in a way uncannily similar to fanarchist?[/quote]

lol...i couldnt put my finger on who that sounded like, but winner winner chicken dinner. lol

Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

[quote=FRPLG;965567]3MiamiDade21egend6:

I think you might have a point that you are not making very elegantly. I don't know that anyone is specifically saying there ISN'T a problem more than we're saying that we're not so sure and would like to see some type of analysis beyond "I know what I'm talking about and you should just believe me"[/quote]

Why is it everyone can say what I want to say but do it so much more concisely?

Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;965571]Why is it everyone can say what I want to say but do it so much more concisely?[/quote]

Because you're a lawyer...sorry you laid it up there for me to swing at. You knew the obvious answer didn't you?

Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;965568]Sure, there are a lot of lawyers out there who spout nonsense. Hell, I make stuff up all the time - you just never know when someone might actually believe you. [Cue CRed's sarcastic response ...][/quote]

No need for sarcasm when your truth is much more satisfying.

Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;965542]What is your basis for this conclusion? Sports medicine is a well developed field. Experts conduct research and regularly provide testimony and reports based on that research in the area all the time. Sarcasm aside, I believe your assertion to be false and, at best, speculative. I would post links demonstrating the falsity of your assertion, but I am at work and have access issses.



I would? And how would you prove this lack of competence?

Facts and expert analysis are absolutely relevant as to whether the Skins staff is incompetent. The question of "competence" is determined by whether or not the techniques, methods and practices of the Redskins trainers conform the standards within the industry. Are they performing the required tests? Are they taking the steps indicated by medical professionals who analyze these things for a living, etc.

Do you have any medical training? Do you know the standards within the industry? Can you tell me what, specifically, the Skins trainers are not doing which trainers in professional leagues are doing and should be doing? If not, you're conclusion that the Skins' trainers are incompetent is, again, base speculation.

You want to believe they are incompetent? Fine. In doing so, however, and without comparative facts or expert opinions, you are simply giving an uniformed opinion.

You, of course, are free to talk out your ass all you like. Your attempt to defend your speculative opinions by asserting that informed opinions can't be made, however, is, at best, wrong and, at worst, ignorant.[/quote]

You are quick to back "expert analysis" as a proven method of judging an individual group. There are two problems with that assumption: the first is that the group represents a fraction of the overall results of said analysis. The second problem is that the analysis given has been provided within a profitable organization, which is more often than not a biased result for desired appearances/image of the organization. Not that any of that matters, as you are determining my hypothesis, which I have not proven to be correct, to be wildly inaccurate and highly speculative without providing evidence of your own to the contrary. You might also notice, upon further review, that I am questioning the competency of this staff without actually calling them otherwise.

Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

[QUOTE=FRPLG;965572]Because you're a lawyer...sorry you laid it up there for me to swing at. You knew the obvious answer didn't you?[/QUOTE]

Well, I was expect something more witty than the obvious softball. jeeez - that is some weak sauce. I throw you a duck and you bunt? Where's the effort? Where's the pride?

Did I mention we beat the Eagles by 25 points? Even losing BM can't change that feeling.

Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

This should be good for an additional 10 pages......

Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

[quote=RedskinRat;965576]This should be good for an additional 10 pages......[/quote]

Gun meet head.

Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

[quote=Chico23231;965570]lol...i couldnt put my finger on who that sounded like, but winner winner chicken dinner. lol[/quote]

We can't be the only ones who see this

Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

[quote=Mattyk;965502][B][B]BM played a nice game but I'm not sure we wouldn't have had the same type of performance without him.[/B][/B] The Eagles are pretty horrible right now on offense. Their OL is a mess and Foles looks lost. Still, I'd rather be moving forward with him than without him.[/quote]

I agree, but I think it brought to light what an advantage it is to have quality NFL level starter play at the position. What if scenarios like getting that type of play the entire season maybe a win or hell even 2 if we had better play at both safety positions. Could you imagine getting quality play from BOTH safety positions? Really hope we dont disregard the position(s) in the offseason.

Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

[quote=SmootSmack;965580]We can't be the only ones who see this[/quote]

Maybe he has a brother.

Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

[quote=Mattyk;965583]Maybe he has a brother.[/quote]

I hope you're no suggesting he's cloned himself?

Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

[quote=Chico23231;965582]I agree, but I think it brought to light what an advantage it is to have quality NFL level starter play at the position. What if scenarios like getting that type of play the entire season maybe a win or hell even 2 if we had better play at both safety positions. Could you imagine getting quality play from BOTH safety positions? Really hope we dont disregard the position(s) in the offseason.[/quote]

The secondary as a whole has to be a top offseason priority.

It's obvious you can't rely on Meriweather and Jackson being the solutions next year given how much of a fail that was this year.

Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

[quote=Mattyk;965589]The secondary as a whole has to be a top offseason priority.

It's obvious you can't rely on Meriweather and Jackson being the solutions next year given how much of a fail that was this year.[/quote]the sad thing is that if they had both started every game for us, we'd probably be sitting a lot prettier.

sad on one level because neither of them are great players
sad on another because of their respective situations

Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

[quote=SmootSmack;965546]Anyone else here think 3MiamiDade posts in a way uncannily similar to fanarchist?[/quote]

Bingo.

Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

[quote=RedskinRat;965576]This should be good for an additional 10 pages......[/quote]

[quote=Mattyk;965579]Gun meet head.[/quote]

Nope. I'm out. I promise not to feed the troll.

Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

ughhhhh it never ends it feels like.....Can we please pick up an athlete at safety please. I cant stand seeing slow doughty, madieu, gomes late to every pass, pick up an athlete please. We need someone that can fly around back there, not the slugs we currently have.

Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;965571]Why is it everyone can say what I want to say but do it so much more concisely?[/quote]

Sorry to interrupt Joe but how can you be qualified to point out a problem if you don't have the solution? Once again..my apologies. Carry on.

Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

[quote=53Fan;965599]Sorry to interrupt Joe but how can you be qualified to point out a problem if you don't have the solution? Once again..my apologies. Carry on.[/quote]

I sense you are making an ironic point here, but it is just ... out ... of ... my ... grasp.

Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

I wasn't sure about the Meriweather signing at first but I'm glad we signed him. Great strong safety. Too bad he won't be able to play anymore this season. At least he was able to play one game and be a difference maker.

Re: Brandon Meriweather, You Big Tease (Injury News)
 

[quote=punch it in;965555]I count four starters. BW, davis, carriker and Rak? Helu i never considered a starter and he wouldnt be even if he was completely healthy. Brown may be a starter but nobody expected him to sniff the playing field anyway. .[/quote]

Brown was expect to be healthy and starting this off-season.

Rak,AC, Meriweather, Davis, Garcon (not really back...he's still hurt/injured), Brown, Helu.......and you might as well call Jackson even though it's not a injury, he's still gone for the year.


Again, how many teams have lost that many STARTERS for the year and still have done well? I know injuries aren't our only issue, but god damn it makes a huge difference.