[QUOTE=artmonkforhallofamein07;967374]Don't we have that in Davis? I would say resigning him is a top priority going into the offseason.

Why are we talkin WRs in the Oline Unsung heroes thread?

Get us a quality RT and those guys are set. Polumbus is good in the run game but lacks the ability to handle top pass rushers.[/QUOTE]

Davis is small - wouldnt call him a redzone target. I agree though he must be resigned. I was wondering the same thing last nite. Just shifted to wr's. early too. Hey atleast theres no Shanny talk rite?

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[quote=SmootSmack;967370]I'm interested to see what Compton brings. Team seems to like him a lot. A few teams tried to sign him to their active roster this year, but Compton stayed here. We rewarded him with a nice bump in salary.

[B]And of course...Jammal Brown!!!!!![/B][/quote]
Hey.....yo, when he and Patrick Ramsey gel, we're gonna have something.

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Monty is our best lineman when it comes to consistency.. He does a lot of combo blocks and calling out alignment. I voted for him to make the pro bowl

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[QUOTE=punch it in;967378]Davis is small - wouldnt call him a redzone target. I agree though he must be resigned. I was wondering the same thing last nite. Just shifted to wr's. early too. Hey atleast theres no Shanny talk rite?[/]

Ha. Agreed, can't talk to much about him after beating 2 division rivals within 4 days of each other.

December 3rd is an epic night for the 2012 season.

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[quote=SmootSmack;967370]I'm interested to see what Compton brings. Team seems to like him a lot. A few teams tried to sign him to their active roster this year, but Compton stayed here. We rewarded him with a nice bump in salary.

And of course...Jammal Brown!!!!!![/quote]

I remember Compton being one of 2 or 3 guys I was a little surprised at not making the team. I was happy to see him put on the PS but had somewhat forgotten about him. He just may our guy at RT next year. Sure sounds like they don't want to lose him. It would be nice to be able use our first couple of picks on some quality secondary help. The way you explained the draft it wouldn't be hard for someone to grade higher than Polombus.

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On a related note, it's good to see Trent fight through an injury earlier in the season and continue to play at a high level. Shows maturity.

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I disagree. Rg3 is hit on nearly every play. The Oline is BARELY getting the job done. its serviceable, but not heroic.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;967406]I disagree. Rg3 is hit on nearly every play. The Oline is BARELY getting the job done. its serviceable, but not heroic.[/quote]

a lot of RG3 hits that i've seen are when we do that gay option shit. Minus the panthers sack fest, we've done a real good job this year on the OL

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[quote=CultBrennan59;967408]a lot of RG3 hits that i've seen are when we do that gay option shit. Minus the panthers sack fest, we've done a real good job this year on the OL[/quote]

I disagree. I watch a lot of film because im crazy, and most of his hits come from when the run from under center and shotgun but dont move the pocket. When hes rolling out or running the pistol he doesnt seem to take a lot of hits. It seems like defensive cordinators dont blitz us very often when we are in the pistol set. I think its one of the main reasons that RG3 has over 120.0 passing rating when hes blitzed.

Lineman just dont hold a very good pocket when its not moving. Oh and Morris has been shady on blitz pickups too. He usually reads wrong. Hes just not use to the slides yet.

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[quote=FRPLG;967165]Our line has been somewhere between just ok and brilliant at times on the whole.

It is a very solid to almost great run blocking line but a poor to below average pass blocking group. Bob makes their stats look better than they should be and they aren't that good anyways.[/quote]

This. I was sort of thrown off by the thread topic, especially after watching RG3 get trucked again several times in the pocket against Dallas. And that's been pretty typical all year. With a mobile QB and especially running the option you expect him to take some shots outside the pocket, but what's surprised me is how badly protection has broken down all season with when RG3 stays in the pocket.

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And like Punch said we've been lucky with injuries across the oline this season. I don't even count J Brown as a starter anymore, but what you can say is our depth is very suspect since the RT is Polumbus. Maybe the backup talent across the interior is better, but there's no way to really know.

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when you have smaller faster OL guys, guess what? they get pushed around more. that's just part of the trade off when you're not starting 5 pro bowlers.

still, morris and our TEs could really do better in blitz pickup and that'd help. I think our LT-RG are good enough though. I mean, you can't have 22 HoFers starting for you.

The line is better this year more than previous because of RG3. He makes anyone look better. Trent though is playing at an all pro level IMO

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Any complaining about the offensive line, or a lack of guys who can make people miss, seems to be a point of view entirely ignorant of the most important fact: we're 7th in the league in points per game with 26.8 and second in the league in turnover margin with +24.

So whatever we lack in offensive linemen or players who can make others miss in open space, those deficiencies sure are not showing up in the stat sheet. The line has had poor moments, but the offense overall has been performing extremely well. Griffin is obviously the biggest reason for that.

So unless you think Robert Griffin will get worse, aside from RT I don't know why you'd do anything but invest heavily in defense.

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The Skins have to continue strengthening the OL through the draft. I initially thought the defense needed the the most help but, it's more important that this team protect their greatest chance to win: RG3. After all, the best defense is a strong offense. It's funny how a couple of games made me feel like this team isn't far away from becomng a legit contender.

@ Schneed10: Strong post.

Although not stellar, our O-line has not been terrible. Rather, it has been better than merely functional and a part of the entire offense's success.

[QUOTE=RGIII;967526]The Skins have to continue strengthening the OL through the draft. I initially thought the defense needed the the most help but, it's more important that this team protect their greatest chance to win: RG3. After all, the best defense is a strong offense. It's funny how a couple of games made me feel like this team isn't far away from becomng a legit contender.[/QUOTE]

Well compton, gettis , and lerib are still total x - factors. Bernstine , crawford, and BW of course out there for the secondary too. But we need to draft D just because RG-3 gives us limitless potential on the other side. HTTR.

[QUOTE=Schneed10;967521]Any complaining about the offensive line, or a lack of guys who can make people miss, seems to be a point of view entirely ignorant of the most important fact: we're 7th in the league in points per game with 26.8 and second in the league in turnover margin with +24.

So whatever we lack in offensive linemen or players who can make others miss in open space, those deficiencies sure are not showing up in the stat sheet. The line has had poor moments, but the offense overall has been performing extremely well. Griffin is obviously the biggest reason for that.

So unless you think Robert Griffin will get worse, aside from RT I don't know why you'd do anything but invest heavily in defense.[/QUOTE]

As per my last post this is my point exactly .....but - our oline has dodged the injury bug. One hit could change all of that.

[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;967514]The line is better this year more than previous because of RG3. He makes anyone look better. Trent though is playing at an all pro level IMO[/QUOTE]

Yes. TW - thankful for him.

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[quote=Schneed10;967521]Any complaining about the offensive line, or a lack of guys who can make people miss, seems to be a point of view entirely ignorant of the most important fact: we're 7th in the league in points per game with 26.8 and second in the league in turnover margin with +24.

So whatever we lack in offensive linemen or players who can make others miss in open space, those deficiencies sure are not showing up in the stat sheet. The line has had poor moments, but the offense overall has been performing extremely well. Griffin is obviously the biggest reason for that.

So unless you think Robert Griffin will get worse, aside from RT I don't know why you'd do anything but invest heavily in defense.[/quote]
Very good point.

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[quote=punch it in;967536]As per my last post this is my point exactly .....but - our oline has dodged the injury bug. One hit could change all of that.[/quote]

This is a very fair point and calls for additional investment in depth (depending on how LeRibeus is developing, which I don't think any of us knows). But we're desperate for improvement at safety and we need more pass rushers. Getting Orakpo back healthy next year is huge, but his absence this year shows how badly we need pass rushing depth. I think we need the depth there more than we need it on the offensive line.

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[quote=Schneed10;967574]This is a very fair point and calls for additional investment in depth (depending on how LeRibeus is developing, which I don't think any of us knows). But we're desperate for improvement at safety and we need more pass rushers. Getting Orakpo back healthy next year is huge, but his absence this year shows how badly we need pass rushing depth. I think we need the depth there more than we need it on the offensive line.[/quote]

I think the o-line has gotten somewhat better just by experience and playing together. As you say we really don't know how good the rookies are but they are learning more about this offense and if guys like Compton and a couple of the others work out we may have better depth than we know. Hopefully future starters. There is no doubt about needing safety help. Meriweather showed what a difference good aggressive saftey play can make and in this defense it can make a huge difference. We can always use more pass rushers. The Giants draft them even when they don't need them because they understand how important getting pressure on the QB is. I agree with you completely Schneed. The one thing I wonder about is how well Haslett is using what we have. I expected more sacks from Jackson and wonder if it's him or is Haslett not blitzing as much from his position? Are we disquising and bringing in saftey and corner blitzes? I think we blitzed a corner in the Philly game and couldn't believe it but I don't rewatch a lot of games so it's hard to tell, or recall, how often we're doing certain things. I'm rambling now but I absolutely agree that more should be put into safety and pass rushing depth than o-line at this point. If it doesn't appear that Compton can overtake Polombus than we need a RT but not at the expense of the defense. We can score points but we sure have a hell of a time preventing getting scored on.

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The Redskins fans should give a lot of credit to offensive line coach Chris Forester. If the Redskins offensive line is good this year, it's because of the the position coach and because the offensive line have played together long enough to where they have become a great unit.

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[quote=Schneed10;967521]Any complaining about the offensive line, or a lack of guys who can make people miss, seems to be a point of view entirely ignorant of the most important fact: we're 7th in the league in points per game with 26.8 and second in the league in turnover margin with +24.

So whatever we lack in offensive linemen or players who can make others miss in open space, those deficiencies sure are not showing up in the stat sheet. The line has had poor moments, but the offense overall has been performing extremely well. Griffin is obviously the biggest reason for that.

So unless you think Robert Griffin will get worse, aside from RT I don't know why you'd do anything but invest heavily in defense.[/quote]

What are you talking about? Sacks don't matter? It's especially concerning when you have a mobile QB who's gonna take a certain number of shots anyway, and who's already suffered a concussion this season to boot. I'm amazed at fan attitudes/reactions to the beating RG3 takes to survive our poor blocking and even turn some of those blown plays into something.

And who's to say with solid protection our offense wouldn't be top 2? Is there no difference between 7th overall and 2nd overall in points? I would guess wins could be the difference, and last I checked we haven't broken 0.500.

We agree that RT has to be upgraded, but I'm also pretty certain pass protection has to improve or the answer to your question (does RG3 get worse) won't be the one we're hoping for. He's tough as nails but so was Vick as a young player...our bodies break down.

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Will Montgomery, C, Washington. A standout all season for Washington, he's the No. 2 rated center in the game this year, according to ProFootballFocus.com rankings. Montgomery kept Robert Griffin III clean all game Thursday and was a force in the running game as well. The Redskins did a very smart thing in the offseason when they knew they were in cap jail but also knew they wanted to keep this promising 29-year-old center as the centerpiece for a rebuilt line to protect RGIII. They signed him to an extension through the 2016 season, guaranteeing only $2.5 million of his deal; Montgomery will earn $12 million over the next four years, a good deal for a center who earned it, and a good deal for the team paying him.

Read More: [url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/peter_king/11/26/Week-12/index.html#ixzz2DLEJZmCQ]Richard Sherman's suspension; Colin Kaepernick; playoff chase; more Week 12 thoughts - Peter King - SI.com[/url]

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Monty sure has turned out to be pretty damn solid. I used to think he was a good stopgap center, but better suited as a backup. Now it's clear he's a legit starter in this league.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;967587][B]The Redskins fans should give a lot of credit to offensive line coach Chris Forester[/B]. If the Redskins offensive line is good this year, it's because of the the position coach and because the offensive line have played together long enough to where they have become a great unit.[/quote]

This.

Draft another mid round tackle to compete with Tom Compton and Polumbus to compete for the RT spot. And this O-line is set for awhile. Kory L will be competing for his spot with McRibeus and Gettis next year. O-Line plan has come together extremely well.

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[quote=Mattyk;967782]Monty sure has turned out to be pretty damn solid. I used to think he was a good stopgap center, but better suited as a backup. Now it's clear he's a legit starter in this league.[/quote]

Gee, if you read the quote by King sounds like in this case both the player and the FO had win-win situations. I guess it is not all gloom and doom at Redskin's Park after all. As some seem to believe here.

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[quote=mredskins;967780]Will Montgomery, C, Washington. A standout all season for Washington, he's the No. 2 rated center in the game this year, according to ProFootballFocus.com rankings. Montgomery kept Robert Griffin III clean all game Thursday and was a force in the running game as well. The Redskins did a very smart thing in the offseason when they knew they were in cap jail but also knew they wanted to keep this promising 29-year-old center as the centerpiece for a rebuilt line to protect RGIII. They signed him to an extension through the 2016 season, guaranteeing only $2.5 million of his deal; Montgomery will earn $12 million over the next four years, a good deal for a center who earned it, and a good deal for the team paying him.

Read More: [url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/peter_king/11/26/Week-12/index.html#ixzz2DLEJZmCQ]Richard Sherman's suspension; Colin Kaepernick; playoff chase; more Week 12 thoughts - Peter King - SI.com[/url][/quote]

Just what I was about to post!

PK praises the OL again in his 10 things I think I think part of his column


...and they were considered one of our major weaknesses coming into the season..HA!

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[quote=Schneed10;967521]Any complaining about the offensive line, or a lack of guys who can make people miss, seems to be a point of view entirely ignorant of the most important fact: we're 7th in the league in points per game with 26.8 and second in the league in turnover margin with +24.

So whatever we lack in offensive linemen or players who can make others miss in open space, those deficiencies sure are not showing up in the stat sheet. The line has had poor moments, but the offense overall has been performing extremely well. Griffin is obviously the biggest reason for that.

So unless you think Robert Griffin will get worse, aside from RT I don't know why you'd do anything but invest heavily in defense.[/quote]

you miss the point entirely. this thread refers to our offensive linemen being heroes. Theyre not. theyre passable at best. we have the 7th rated offense in spite of a mediocre offensive line, not because of it. This thread is about the o-line and the o-line is not very good. Still, if we're ranking offseason needs, its hard to argue that the secondary isnt the top concern. O-line would be second. That said, our o-line has been remarkably healthy this year. I shudder to think how bad things would get if any of the starters were gone for any length of time. We cannot ignore the line in the offseason.

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How exactly are we planning to add depth to the offensive line?

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[quote=SmootSmack;967826]How exactly are we planning to add depth to the offensive line?[/quote]

I know right...easier said than done.

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The OL is far better than we expected. We have a few young guys for depth who are still developing. The OL chicken littles need to chill.

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[quote=Mattyk;967842]The OL is far better than we expected. We have a few young guys for depth who are still developing. The OL chicken littles need to chill.[/quote]

So typical of the short-term memory fanbase. We (finally) have a season where we get really, really lucky and don't suffer multiple injuries across the oline, which still sucks at pass protection, and all history is forgotten. The only indication of our depth is that it's terrible e.g. Polumbus. The interior depth could be better, but who really knows? Not that we have significant resources to add OL talent, but a starting caliber RT is critical. And then the backups gotta get coached up. It's not a dire situation (although RG3's body may say otherwise some days), but to ignore how lucky we've been this season injury wise and the poor pass-protection is just :doh:

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i saw leribeus suited up on turkey day. he's suited up 3 times now, i believe. hurt stepped in last year.

like matty said, the young guys are coming along. the line has done a great job this year, all things considered. it's true, nobody wants polumbus starting, but come on, it's not that bad.

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[quote=Mattyk;967842]The OL is far better than we expected. We have a few young guys for depth who are still developing. The OL chicken littles need to chill.[/quote]

I see you get the point I was making. Others remain ignorant

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[quote=Chico23231;967783]This.

Draft another mid round tackle to compete with Tom Compton and Polumbus to compete for the RT spot. And this O-line is set for awhile. Kory L will be competing for his spot with McRibeus and Gettis next year. O-Line plan has come together extremely well.[/quote]

I checked Mike Shanahan's draft record. The highest offensive lineman he's taken in the draft was Trent Williams. When Shanahan was in Denver, most of his offensive linemen were 3rd-7th round selections. If the Redskins find value at RT, I'd like the RT to be taken in the earlier rounds of the draft much like with Jon Jansen. RT has been a concern since Jansen was released in 2008.

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ooops wrong thread

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[quote=Gary84Clark;967852][url=http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/2012/11/cowboys-sign-lb-poppinga-wr-armstrong-release-wr-andre-holmes.html/]Cowboys sign LB Poppinga, WR Armstrong; release WR Andre Holmes | Dallas Cowboys Blog[/url][/quote]

Doesn't fit in this thread really, but thanks

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[quote=SmootSmack;967826]How exactly are we planning to add depth to the offensive line?[/quote]

Is there not going to be a draft or free agency next year?

[quote=Mattyk;967842]The OL is far better than we expected. We have a few young guys for depth who are still developing. The OL chicken littles need to chill.[/quote]

Taken 2 was far better than i expected... but it still wasnt very good.

Our OL has done a decent job, but not heroic. RGIII is hit or knocked down on almost every single drop back. He is our franchise quarterback, andits not like hes a stocky guy like newton or rothlisberger. He's young now, but eventually, his body wont be able to recover as quickly and those hits will start taking a toll.

we've invested a fortune (in draft picks) in RGIII. we need to protect that investment by doing everything we can to upgrade the line so that he doesnt get knocked down so much when he's in the pocket. When your ranking team needs in the offseason, i cant imagine how improving the Oline is not 2nd... preferably guys like polumbus and Chester can become our backups/depth and we have better starters in front of them.