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[QUOTE=Daseal]I don't like the guy - but if he came cheap I'm fine.[/QUOTE]

I'm shocked you don't like him :rolleyes:

Seriously though, what's not to like?

He's a great slot guy, fast, makes plays, he has playoff and SB experience, he'll make a great #3, and he's not going to break our bank.

What's not to like?

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EXACTLY - He's a slot guy. In the mold of every receiver we already have. If he's cheap - I'm fine with it. If we had to pay him much of anything, it's a waste. I want either a big name rookie or Jacobs to play. I still feel Coles will be our #1 next year. No matter what I think he'll come back and play hard, and maybe Gibbs will work to accomidate him some.

Heard a really nasty rumor - heard Coles WANTS to go to Dallas. Just a rumor some Dallas fan told me he read. I don't believe it, but if so - burn the heretic.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Huh?

Monk was the quintessential possession WR. 6'3, 210 was big back in his playing days. WR's the size of Clark and Sanders were the norm.[/QUOTE]

Well I am not going to get into a pissing contest with you. If you say he was big then ok. I just remember attending his football camp and he didn't appear that big to me.

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6'3 210 is a good size for a WR even nowadays would you agree, so yes back when Monk was in his prime he was larger than your typical WR of the day, that's all I'm saying.

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i've said this in the past and i'll say it again patten reminds me of gary clark, he is a small and fast wr. not neccisarily(sp) a possesion wr but a deep threat. he averaged over 18 yards a catch.

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He averaged 18 yards per catch in a DIFFERENT OFFENSE. What do you think Coles YPC would have been as a Patriot?

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my point is he gets open down field. he has quickness to go with his speed , something, i think, coles did not have.

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when the safeties drop down to help against the run and patten is in a one on one , patten can get open most of the time. coles was really strugling to do that .

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[QUOTE=Daseal]He averaged 18 yards per catch in a DIFFERENT OFFENSE. What do you think Coles YPC would have been as a Patriot?[/QUOTE]

It seems Coles has to be the man on offense, so we will probably never know what his YPC would have been with a TEAM like the Patriots. He came on with the Skins to be Spurrier's superstar, he wants out because he doesn't want to play 2nd fiddle to Portis

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Coles couldn't hack it on the Pats, not enough balls to go his way, LOL

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Monk was defiently a big possession type reciever 6'3" and 215lbs was aa big WR back in the day, as for Patton he's more of a ricky Sander's type player he will stretch the defense. so long as his contract is reasonable I like the signing I still believe we have to go out and get that big reciever possession type reciever to give Ramsey a big target in the red zone.

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The Smurfs are back!
I'm so happy to have added David Patten! I was scared with the Redskins recent past that we'd pick up Burress. Patten is a proven WR where as Burress is about as reliable as Gardner in the catch department while being quite speedy on the flats. Burress like Gardner seems to fail in properly excuting his routes consistantly. Patten can fly and will catch most balls. And what is the stat last season? 37 1st downs on 44 catches? Uh noone on our team can top that. Burress? Hell no. Patten is good person and a proven great player who we didn't have to spend ridiculous money for. He's got 3 rings, same as Gibbs. Although Patten never lost a SB. Great signing. Rabach great signing. Please sign Smoot. I just hope that Fred agrees to somewhere close to 10 million then add incentives on to make it a possible 14 million and stays in DC. I'm not surprised by Pierce going to NYG cause we couldn't afford to pay him what they did, however they paid to have the leader of Williams defense. Division rival defensive team leader... If the guy was in a wheelchair it might be advantageous to sign him! Reguardless of what Pierce spills to the enemy (by the way Pierce coulda been a Redskin for life with good money) we can still blitz Manning.

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patten is seriously under rated i think, and he was the #1 WR for a while in NE last year and remained consistant whether he got the #1 or #2 CB, so i think he's probably more important than just a #2 WR.. a smurf for sure, but he can play.

Patten Signing
 

Not alot of talk about this on here??? I think this is a significant addition to the team. Experience and productivity are the bright spots not too mention speed. Good possession receiver for some crossing routes.

What does everyone think?

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this is the 3rd-4th thread, general feeling is its a very very solid pickup, but we're still taking williams if he's available.

realy patten is capable of being a better #1 than a player like S. moss, but he's an excellent #2 and can provide the deep route seperation coles is no longer able to... oh yeah, he can also catch the ball, which is always a plus.

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Solid veteran who provides us w/ some speed.


And like That Guy pointed out....he catches the damn ball. Thats all we ask.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]this is the 3rd-4th thread, general feeling is its a very very solid pickup, but we're still taking williams if he's available.

realy patten is capable of being a better #1 than a player like S. moss, but he's an excellent #2 and can provide the deep route seperation coles is no longer able to... oh yeah, he can also catch the ball, which is always a plus.[/QUOTE]

I disagree, we should take the best talent that is there when it is our turn to pick. We have gotten into trouble in the past when we have picked for need.
I have a feeling we will picking a defensive player (LB or CB or SS).

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Why would we draft defense? The obvious need are on offense. Especially a big posession WR. I agree with That Guy, if Mike Williams is still on the board at #9 we would be stupid, dumb, retarded to not draft him.

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maybe we'd consider trading down and considering defense if williams was gone... but if he's there i really can't see us passing him up.

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[QUOTE=Defensewins]I disagree, we should take the best talent that is there when it is our turn to pick. We have gotten into trouble in the past when we have picked for need.
I have a feeling we will picking a defensive player (LB or CB or SS).[/QUOTE]
Did you seriously just say that we would draft defense? Whatever your smoking, hook it up. And you even mentioned Strong Safety. What team are you talking about? We have the 3rd best defense, the 27th best offense, and your concerned about building the defense. What a joke.

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Adding Patten to the receiving core was a great pickup. Not only will he provide to be a valuable receiver but also an older guy who has experience winning that can help mentor our young receivers. With all the talk of us taking a WR at #9 this is a great signing

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Nice post DMac, and welcome to the board!

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[QUOTE=Monksdown]Did you seriously just say that we would draft defense? Whatever your smoking, hook it up. And you even mentioned Strong Safety. What team are you talking about? We have the 3rd best defense, the 27th best offense, and your concerned about building the defense. What a joke.[/QUOTE]


Our starting MLB and leader of our D (Pierce) is gone to Giants. MLB Michael Barrow has a bad wheel, did not play a single down last year and is probably gone as well. Who do have in mind to start at MLB? Monksdown on crack?
If you knew something about football, you would know Williams' system is dependent on having good LB's and CB's, including good backups at LB. People were getting upset on this sight last year with the large amount of LB's & CB's we picked during to offseason last year. Considering all the big injuries we had at LB last year (Arrington & Barrow) Williams ended up being right.

Point 2: When you pick near the top of the first round, you have take the best player available. If it that player is not at a position that will help your team or you feel is not worthy of being picked that high you trade down. If you reach for a certain player because of need (WR) you end up wth a Desmond Howard. IMO Braylon Edwars is the only WR worthy of being a top 9 pick. Williams is a big possesion WR and is not very fastest.
Derek Johnson, if available is a top 5 player who happens to be a LB, a position we need to fill.
We also are thin at CB and SS. The reason I say we are this at SS is our talent at SS is good, but not great.

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[QUOTE=Defensewins]Our starting MLB and leader of our D (Pierce) is gone to Giants. MLB Michael Barrow has a bad wheel, did not play a single down last year and is probably gone as well. Who do have in mind to start at MLB? Monksdown on crack?
If you knew something about football, you would know Williams' system is dependent on having good LB's and CB's, including good backups at LB. People were getting upset on this sight last year with the large amount of LB's & CB's we picked during to offseason last year. Considering all the big injuries we had at LB last year (Arrington & Barrow) Williams ended up being right.

Point 2: When you pick near the top of the first round, you have take the best player available. If it that player is not at a position that will help your team or you feel is not worthy of being picked that high you trade down. If you reach for a certain player because of need (WR) you end up wth a Desmond Howard. IMO Braylon Edwars is the only WR worthy of being a top 9 pick. Williams is a big possesion WR and is not very fastest.
Derek Johnson, if available is a top 5 player who happens to be a LB, a position we need to fill.
We also are thin at CB and SS. The reason I say we are this at SS is our talent at SS is good, but not great.[/QUOTE]
Your name shows your bias, so I'll cut you some slack. I dont pretend to know everything about Gregg Williams Defense. But I can assume that he does, and if he says that Lemar Marshall can get the job done, then so be it. I liked Pierce, but you need more than one season at a pro bowl level to earn pro bowl money.

And you dont like Sean Taylor at Strong Safety?

We are thin at cornerback, but most will argue that this year's draft has more wide out talent than corner talent.

That being said, with the addition of Patten, we could possibly wait on a wide receiver. If they see a defensive lineman they particularly like, then that is fine with me. But this year isnt the end to our Coles problems, I am concerned about next year too. Is this the end of Lav Coles offseason complaints?

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didn't williams run a 4.5-4.6 at the combine last week? i know there r mixed feelings about combine results but that's still pretty damn good for a guy of his size and dude didn't look like he hadn't played in a year either. I could understand trading down if he's gone but if he's there it'd be idiotic to pass up on him. Not only would it fill a huge need but it'd be with a player who has a very high upside to his potential.

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[QUOTE=jbcjr14]Not alot of talk about this on here??? I think this is a significant addition to the team. Experience and productivity are the bright spots not too mention speed. Good possession receiver for some crossing routes.

What does everyone think?[/QUOTE]

Actually there's plenty of talk going on, please take a look around before posting a new thread. thanks

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whoa that kind of freaked me out for a second. I finish posting a reply and it shows i'm on the 7th page of the thread when I was on the first of the repeat thread. the power of merging at work.

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sean taylor is a free safety... bowen then lott then franz/clark played SS... bowen is perfect... unless you want him to actually cover someone, in which case he's more than worthless. sucks he's only 2/3rds of what we need...

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[QUOTE=Monksdown]Your name shows your bias, so I'll cut you some slack. I dont pretend to know everything about Gregg Williams Defense. But I can assume that he does, and if he says that Lemar Marshall can get the job done, then so be it. I liked Pierce, but you need more than one season at a pro bowl level to earn pro bowl money.

And you dont like Sean Taylor at Strong Safety?

We are thin at cornerback, but most will argue that this year's draft has more wide out talent than corner talent.

That being said, with the addition of Patten, we could possibly wait on a wide receiver. If they see a defensive lineman they particularly like, then that is fine with me. But this year isnt the end to our Coles problems, I am concerned about next year too. Is this the end of Lav Coles offseason complaints?[/QUOTE]


Sean Taylor is a free safety.
Lemar Marshall as a fulltime MLB is an experiment, just like Pierce at MLB last year was a very successful experiment. Neither of these two players had any experience at MLB before last year. We need a back up plan if Lemar does not work as well as Piece did.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]sean taylor is a free safety... bowen then lott then franz/clark played SS... bowen is perfect... unless you want him to actually cover someone, in which case he's more than worthless. sucks he's only 2/3rds of what we need...[/QUOTE]
Too much time with the video games I guess. Espn 2k5 lists him as a Strong Safety, what he was in college.

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[QUOTE=Defensewins]Sean Taylor is a free safety.
Lemar Marshall as a fulltime MLB is an experiment, just like Pierce at MLB last year was a very successful experiment. Neither of these two players had any experience at MLB before last year. We need a back up plan if Lemar does not work as well as Piece did.[/QUOTE]

barrow, barnes, campbell... we still have like 42 LBs...

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[QUOTE=Defensewins]Sean Taylor is a free safety.
Lemar Marshall as a fulltime MLB is an experiment, just like Pierce at MLB last year was a very successful experiment. Neither of these two players had any experience at MLB before last year. We need a back up plan if Lemar does not work as well as Piece did.[/QUOTE]
Your right about Taylor. My fault.

But dont you have any apprehension about the value of Pierce? Not any. I was concerned that after one year with a great defense, he could be overrated. Again, I love the guy, I just think it takes more than a year to prove your worth.

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[QUOTE=That Guy]barrow, barnes, campbell... we still have like 42 LBs...[/QUOTE]

Barrow? How many games did he play as a Redskin?
that leaves two back ups? Not enough.

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[QUOTE=Monksdown]Your right about Taylor. My fault.

But dont you have any apprehension about the value of Pierce? Not any. I was concerned that after one year with a great defense, he could be overrated. Again, I love the guy, I just think it takes more than a year to prove your worth.[/QUOTE]

I agree, we could not resign him for what the Giants signed him. Same with Smoot. He is not worth the big contract that he is asking for. Smott is not a shut down corner, we should not pay him like one, regardless of how much everylone like his personality.

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[QUOTE=Defensewins]I agree, we could not resign him for what the Giants signed him. Same with Smoot. He is not worth the big contract that he is asking for. Smott is not a shut down corner, we should not pay him like one, regardless of how much everylone like his personality.[/QUOTE]
Yeah the Smoot thing. I really like his character too. I can deal with not resigning him. But i dont want to get an equivalent cornerback for more or even the same amount. Either we go elite, or maybe we draft and work from within. Again, I leave it in the hands of Gregg and the defensive boys.

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[QUOTE=Monksdown]Yeah the Smoot thing. I really like his character too. I can deal with not resigning him. But i dont want to get an equivalent cornerback for more or even the same amount. Either we go elite, or maybe we draft and work from within. Again, I leave it in the hands of Gregg and the defensive boys.[/QUOTE]

Good point. Whatever will save us some money and gets us a servicable CB.
We actually already have another proven, very talented CB on our roster Walt Harris. He was still recovering from a knee injury last year, but still played OK last year. He is injury free, signed and ready to go. Lets not break the bank on a CB or any player this year.

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After seeing the way the team is handling things so far, I have a lot of faith in how the CB situation will be handled as well.

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I have faith in Gregg Williams, and if he thinks we have enough depth at LB, CB, and Safety then I'll take his word for it.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]We have a big possession type of guy to go to, his name is Chris Cooley.

We had a big possession guy the last few years in Gardner, where did that get us?[/QUOTE]


I Like Cooley a lot but that's what TE's / H-back's do, and let's face it with Gardner you actually have to catch the ball to possess it, so I don't believe Gardner qualifies. :)

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[QUOTE=Daseal]He averaged 18 yards per catch in a DIFFERENT OFFENSE. What do you think Coles YPC would have been as a Patriot?[/QUOTE]

i agree but 18.2 is much above the average for wr, he is number 3 in yards per catch with anyone with over 40 catches. he had fewer catches but a reason for that is because he is not a number 1 and because the patriots spread the ball well.
Just for kicks and giggles the number 1 and 2 with over 40 are Ashley Lelie
and Santana Moss. Not to bad names!!
I just hope that he fits well and it seems that he is good when he gets open