[QUOTE=redskins5044;974077]Just saw Donte Stallworth catch a TD why isn't he in jail.[/QUOTE]

He did his time. The circumstances around his accident were completely different.

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[quote=redskins5044;973753]Ok I guess I'm a pussy then, not going to argue about it. The dude messed up and he will have to live with killing his friend for the rest of his life. He goes out and kills himself it will bring the spot light to he NFL again.

I guess Lenoard Little and Donte Stalleworth are already their in the sea. Oh wait both played after getting a DUI and killing a innocent victims. Oh and Ray Lewis who is praised left and right got a second chance.

I am not defending him; just saying a loss of another life in this situation it not necessary.[/quote]

I agree with you to a certain extent, but i believe whole heartedly that Ray Lewis is the only guy out of the bunch who was absolutley guilty. Where as Stallworth and Leonard Little made horrible mistakes that cost lives, i believe Ray Lewis set out and succeeded in committing murder, and i think that's the difference.

Not here to argue about Ray Lewis one way or the other, that's just my opinion. Josh Brent will pay the rest of his life whether he does jail time or not, my guess is he probably won't do any time...

Killing a innocent bystander is different than a someone who willing got into the car with drunk driver. Ok, doesn't seem the same to me.

Stallworth paid his way out of a longer jail term. Part of the plea deal was a financial settlement to the family.

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[quote=redskins5044;973712]I just saw on ESPN, that the cowboys released Josh Brent. I just hope they still continue to help him with a support system, I understand he committed a crime but his best friend died in the wreck. Watching the reporters surround him after he was released asking questions about his friend was sick to me.

Bottom line he deserves what comes his away as far as jail time or whatever, but his emotional state is probably fragile. NFL needs to support him as far as counseling goes and keep a close eye on him because he could become suicidal.[/quote]

I just read that Brent is still technically a cowboy. In this situation, the cowboys must wait for a ruling from Roger Goodell and any other penalties/restrictions on Brent before they make a move on releasing / inactivating him. They do not expect him to return in regular capacity as a player anytime soon.

There is some speculation that Brent, who will likely avoid jail time, will go into some sort of counciling/therapy program paid for by the cowboys, and that the cowboys want to retain rights to Brent, and even Jason Garrett was quoted one hour ago saying that Brent was "absolutley" still on the team's plans and that they wanted Brent to feel welcome and comforted, that he knows he committed a terrible act and that is worse than any penalty anyone can deal out. The article closed in saying that this situation was different than when a player goes out and committs a drunken or drug fueled act, this is just tragically poor judgement that cost the life of a friend...

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Lot of "perfect" people here it seems

Stallworth's situation seems to repeatedly be forgotten

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Looks like a whole lot of judging going on here. Stone him and cast him out to sea? Lol! Wow. I could easily see a couple of buddies going out getting drunk and making the mistake of driving. An accident happens..one dies and we stone the other one. Damn right! That'll teach that sob to kill his friend! He'll be punished and he needs to accept that. He's responsible for the death of another human being due to his choice to disobey the law and drive while intoxicated. I'm sure it wasn't his intent but it was his choice to drive while impaired. Hopefully he serves his time and uses his mistakes and his friends death to help others with substance abuse problems.

[QUOTE=redskins5044;974088]Killing a innocent bystander is different than a someone who willing got into the car with drunk driver. Ok, doesn't seem the same to me.

Stallworth paid his way out of a longer jail term. Part of the plea deal was a financial settlement to the family.[/QUOTE]

If i remember correctly The victim in the Stallworth case ran out in front of his car to catch a bus, totally different than what Brent did. Brent didnt mean to hurt anybody either. Ive certainly been behind the wheel after a few and im lucky nothing happened.

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[quote=punch it in;974116]If i remember correctly The victim in the Stallworth case ran out in front of his car to catch a bus, totally different than what Brent did. Brent didnt mean to hurt anybody either. [B]Ive certainly been behind the wheel after a few and im lucky nothing happened[/B].[/quote]

Please don't ever do that again.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/11/chilling-eyewitness-account-says-josh-brent-initially-reluctant-to-tend-to-jerry-brown/]Chilling eyewitness account says Josh Brent initially reluctant to tend to Jerry Brown | ProFootballTalk[/url]

wow

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[quote=redskins5044;973712]I just saw on ESPN, that the cowboys released Josh Brent. I just hope they still continue to help him with a support system, I understand he committed a crime but his best friend died in the wreck. Watching the reporters surround him after he was released asking questions about his friend was sick to me.

Bottom line he deserves what comes his away as far as jail time or whatever, but his emotional state is probably fragile. NFL needs to support him as far as counseling goes and keep a close eye on him because he could become suicidal.[/quote]

Did you confuse the news about him being released from jail?

[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;974132]Please don't ever do that again.[/QUOTE]

What i meant is that i was probably legally intoxicated even though i was able to drive. If something had happened the law doesnt care though
Edit: i believe if i have two drinks in an hour i am legally intoxicated -

[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;974132]Please don't ever do that again.[/QUOTE]

I've regrettably made that decision before in the past. It was very common in my high school to drive home after parties. It was very very stupid and dangerous and I regret every moment of it.

When youre younger or live in the world of the elite (sports, entertainment, etc.) you tend to think you're invincible. I'm not giving excuses but just why I think some people drive drunk.

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[quote=punch it in;974166]What i meant is that i was probably legally intoxicated even though i was able to drive. If something had happened the law doesnt care though[/quote]

Don't sweat it; in the past now. Lucky nothing happen. I think a good majority of people have driven over the legal limit. I know I have in the past especially in my 20's not proud of it was a huge mistake. Lucky I never killed anyone. I am also not not going to lie and belittle others who admit to it.

Now in my 30's I see the light and rarely do I ever even have a beer unless I am at home and done driving for the day. Risk reward is not worth it by any means.

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[quote=hooskins;974169]I've regrettably made that decision before in the past. It was very common in my high school to drive home after parties. It was very very stupid and dangerous and I regret every moment of it.

When youre younger or live in the world of the elite (sports, entertainment, etc.) you tend to think you're invincible. I'm not giving excuses but just why I think some people drive drunk.[/quote]

You don't have to be elite to think your invincible and ok to drive drunk. Do you people realize how many people drive drunk on a given night? How many here have had 3 or 4 beers and driven? Does not take very much to hit .08. My guess is if you drink you have driven over the legal limit.

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Everyone makes mistakes when they are young. the critical thing is to learn from them and not repeat them. Just because you "get away" with buzzed/drunk driving 99 times, doesnt make it less likely that you could get pulled over - or worse - kill someone or yourself, on the 100th. I have had friends and family members killed by drunk drivers. its simply not worth the risk.

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Killing someone is a little bigger than "just a mistake".

Driving drunk is not a "mistake", it's a damn stupid decision that you could pay for...but others shouldn't have to.

I have zero tolerance for drunk drivers. My wife and kids got t-boned by a drunk last year who went through a stop sign without even slowing down...thank God they were unharmed (car was totaled), but it should never have happened in the first place.

Even before that day, I had the same view on it. This just put it on concrete.

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[quote=Chico23231;974154][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/11/chilling-eyewitness-account-says-josh-brent-initially-reluctant-to-tend-to-jerry-brown/]Chilling eyewitness account says Josh Brent initially reluctant to tend to Jerry Brown | ProFootballTalk[/url]

wow[/quote]

By wow, i hope youre referring to Stacee McWilliams using this tragic incident to get her 15 minutes of fame. And PFT for perpetuating it by using such a licentious and inflamitory article name and not providing commentary...

Brent was intoxicated and just in an accident. the car FLIPPED AND ROLLED OVER. McWilliams stated that every time she spoke to him and told him to get his friend out of the car, his reply was "he won't get out of the car."

[B]Its blatantly obvious Brent was in shock. [/B] The idea that McWilliams and PFT are perpetuating the idea that he just didnt care about his friend is absurd.

McWilliams says she's coming forward because she doesn't want anyone to think Brents a hero - who the frack has said he's a hero?!?! No one. This woman is trying to capitalize on a tragedy for media attention and it disgusts me to my core.

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Agree with BHA there

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Plus he was drunk...not in the right mind seems like a fair conclusion. The thought process of some people baffles me. Why this woman thinks this is something that the public needs to know is beyond me. What's the point?

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[quote=Schneed10;973732]That is the biggest pussy post I've ever seen. Support system? The guy killed a man due to his negligence. He deserves to be stoned and cast out to sea. Fragile mental state, give me a f'ing break.[/quote]

Agreed 100%.

He's a worthless human being. He chose to get drunk. This murder was a conscious decision, not a mistake or the fault of the alcohol. Unless he has some major learning disability, he knew getting drunk and driving is a dangerous DECISION. He's no victim, he did this to himself and to the man he killed, who pretty much provided the nails to his own coffin by riding with a drunk. They're not heroes or victims, they're people who chose to partake in knowingly dangerous, illegal and just plain stupid actions at their own free will.

The families may need support systems, but this murderer needs prison time so he cant be on the streets to kill someone else.


[quote=FRPLG;974229]Plus he was drunk...not in the right mind seems like a fair conclusion. [/quote]


I hate that excuse. He was in the right mind when he bought the drinks. Whatever happens after that is his own fault.

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[quote=Monkeydad;974230]Agreed 100%.

He's a worthless human being. He chose to get drunk. This murder was a conscious decision, not a mistake or the fault of the alcohol. Unless he has some major learning disability, he knew getting drunk and driving is a dangerous DECISION. He's no victim, he did this to himself and to the man he killed, who pretty much provided the nails to his own coffin by riding with a drunk. They're not heroes or victims, they're people who chose to partake in knowingly dangerous, illegal and just plain stupid actions at their own free will.

The families may need support systems, but this murderer needs prison time so he cant be on the streets to kill someone else.





I hate that excuse. He was in the right mind when he bought the drinks. Whatever happens after that is his own fault.[/quote]

I was responding about how he acted after the accident.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;974224]By wow, i hope youre referring to Stacee McWilliams using this tragic incident to get her 15 minutes of fame. And PFT for perpetuating it by using such a licentious and inflamitory article name and not providing commentary...

Brent was intoxicated and just in an accident. the car FLIPPED AND ROLLED OVER. McWilliams stated that every time she spoke to him and told him to get his friend out of the car, his reply was "he won't get out of the car."

[B]Its blatantly obvious Brent was in shock. [/B] The idea that McWilliams and PFT are perpetuating the idea that he just didnt care about his friend is absurd.

McWilliams says she's coming forward because she doesn't want anyone to think Brents a hero - who the frack has said he's a hero?!?! No one. This woman is trying to capitalize on a tragedy for media attention and it disgusts me to my core.[/quote]

i dont know maybe my wow I was in shock if true. I hope, ****in idoit

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Regarding all these comments about Brent needing a support system and the team helping him... do any of you have jobs where, if you are drunk driving and kill someone, your employer will keep paying you and provide you with resources to help you?

It got me thinking about the NFLs system where players can a number and have a cab pick them up, free of charge, no questions asked. While i'd certainly rather players do that than drive junk, why the F--- is the NFL paying for this service? These players make enough money to call their own damn taxis.

Players dont deserve special privileges or considerations that aren't available to anyone else. a Actor/Athlete gets involved in something like this, and people act like they deserve some special sympathy... when joe schmoe does the same thing and he's a dirtbag.

I'm for those that say the NFL should throw this guy to the wolves. I believe everyone has good in them and hope Brent can serve his time, make changes in his life, and take actions to right the wrongs he committed. But its not the Cowboys/NFL/NFLPAs place to help him or provide him support. His friends and family can do that.

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Just a minor point, it's not free of charge

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[quote=Monkeydad;974230]Agreed 100%.

He's a worthless human being. He chose to get drunk. This murder was a conscious decision, not a mistake or the fault of the alcohol. Unless he has some major learning disability, he knew getting drunk and driving is a dangerous DECISION. He's no victim, he did this to himself and to the man he killed, who pretty much provided the nails to his own coffin by riding with a drunk. They're not heroes or victims, they're people who chose to partake in knowingly dangerous, illegal and just plain stupid actions at their own free will.

The families may need support systems, but this murderer needs prison time so he cant be on the streets to kill someone else.

I hate that excuse. He was in the right mind when he bought the drinks. Whatever happens after that is his own fault.[/quote]

If you were texting while driving and it resulted in the death of your passenger, should you be charged with manslaughter? What if the passanger was encouraging you to respond to a text?

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Unless Brown unwillingly, unknowingly or unconsciously got in the car with Brent, he was putting himself in danger. What happened was extremely unfortunate but all too common. At the end of the day it was just 2 guys that went out and got drunk, and then foolishly, yet willing, got into a car and individually put themselves in danger. [/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR]

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[quote=mlmpetert;974256][B]If you were texting while driving and it resulted in the death of your passenger, should you be charged with manslaughter? What if the passanger was encouraging you to respond to a text?[/B]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Unless Brown unwillingly, unknowingly or unconsciously got in the car with Brent, he was putting himself in danger. What happened was extremely unfortunate but all too common. At the end of the day it was just 2 guys that went out and got drunk, and then foolishly, yet willing, got into a car and individually put themselves in danger. [/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR][/quote]1. why not?
2. the passenger is more than welcome to respond to the text for me

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;974224]By wow, i hope youre referring to Stacee McWilliams using this tragic incident to get her 15 minutes of fame. And PFT for perpetuating it by using such a licentious and inflamitory article name and not providing commentary...

Brent was intoxicated and just in an accident. the car FLIPPED AND ROLLED OVER. McWilliams stated that every time she spoke to him and told him to get his friend out of the car, his reply was "he won't get out of the car."

[B]Its blatantly obvious Brent was in shock. [/B]The idea that McWilliams and PFT are perpetuating the idea that he just didnt care about his friend is absurd.

McWilliams says she's coming forward because she doesn't want anyone to think Brents a hero - who the frack has said he's a hero?!?! No one. This woman is trying to capitalize on a tragedy for media attention and it disgusts me to my core.[/quote]

Couldnt agree more. PFT seems to have become much more opinionated (if possible) this year.

[url=http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/cowboys/2012/12/10/dallas-cowboys-josh-brent-jerry-brown-memorial/1759951/]Brown's mother wants Brent to attend memorial with her[/url]


"I was upset, but I realized that our youth today are young and stupid, and we were all once that age, and we've all done things we're not proud of," Jackson said on Monday's [I]Piers Morgan Tonight[/I] on CNN. "I realized that everyone thinks they're invincible, and everyone thinks, 'It's not going to happen to me.'

"I know Josh Brent, and he's been part of our family since Jerry went to the University of Illinois. All I can do is to pray for him and his family. I know he is hurting just as much as we are, because (he) and Jerry were like brothers."

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;974242]Regarding all these comments about Brent needing a support system and the team helping him... do any of you have jobs where, if you are drunk driving and kill someone, your employer will keep paying you and provide you with resources to help you?

It got me thinking about the NFLs system where players can a number and have a cab pick them up, free of charge, no questions asked. While i'd certainly rather players do that than drive junk, why the F--- is the NFL paying for this service? These players make enough money to call their own damn taxis.

[B]Players dont deserve special privileges or considerations that aren't available to anyone else. a Actor/Athlete gets involved in something like this[/B], and people act like they deserve some special sympathy... when joe schmoe does the same thing and he's a dirtbag.

I'm for those that say the NFL should throw this guy to the wolves. I believe everyone has good in them and hope Brent can serve his time, make changes in his life, and take actions to right the wrongs he committed. But its not the Cowboys/NFL/NFLPAs place to help him or provide him support. His friends and family can do that.[/quote]

It is the fact they are seen as investments and because of this they get services to make sure they are kept safe. That is all it comes down to. You put millions of dollars into some one you want to make sure they stay safe no matter how dumb they are.

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[quote=Monkeydad;974230]Agreed 100%.

He's a worthless human being. He chose to get drunk. This murder was a conscious decision, not a mistake or the fault of the alcohol. Unless he has some major learning disability, he knew getting drunk and driving is a dangerous DECISION. He's no victim, he did this to himself and to the man he killed, who pretty much provided the nails to his own coffin by riding with a drunk. They're not heroes or victims, they're people who chose to partake in knowingly dangerous, illegal and just plain stupid actions at their own free will.

The families may need support systems, but this murderer needs prison time so he cant be on the streets to kill someone else.

I hate that excuse. He was in the right mind when he bought the drinks. Whatever happens after that is his own fault.[/quote]

I think Brent deserves whatever punishment comes to him, including living with the guilt of causing his friend's death.

That being said, although I hate to pile on someone who has passed on, Brown was no innocent bystander in this situation. As he also drank and got in the car with someone that was drunk. He paid for that mistake with his life and that is tragic.

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[quote=los panda;974257]1. why not?
2. the passenger is more than welcome to respond to the text for me[/quote]


1). I think all should be treated the same (speeding/reckless/drunk/distracted) driving. Im just not sure what the appropriate treatment should be.

2). So if the passenger didnt ask to respond for you, would it make him more culpable in the the outcome of his inaction. Simularlly, if Brown were sober and didnt switch places with Brent, would he now be culpable for his death?

I dont want to go back and forth or get hypothetical, i just think that considering Brown willingly got in the car with Brent, he is responsible for his own death.

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[quote=donofriose;974260]It is the fact they are seen as investments and because of this they get services to make sure they are kept safe. That is all it comes down to. You put millions of dollars into some one you want to make sure they stay safe no matter how dumb they are.[/quote]

Thats a very good point. From a business perspective, it makes sense> it just bothers me from a moral perspective.

[QUOTE=Monkeydad;974223]Killing someone is a little bigger than "just a mistake".

Driving drunk is not a "mistake", it's a damn stupid decision that you could pay for...but others shouldn't have to.

I have zero tolerance for drunk drivers. My wife and kids got t-boned by a drunk last year who went through a stop sign without even slowing down...thank God they were unharmed (car was totaled), but it should never have happened in the first place.

Even before that day, I had the same view on it. This just put it on concrete.[/QUOTE]

I think we agree here that it's a horrible thing to do and it puts everyone in danger.

The real question is how do you cure this epidemic our nation deals with on a daily basis? I personally think crucifying the drivers isn't the only or long term solution. Dui laws continue to grow and I don't think we've had a significant change in the number of accidents and deaths (correct me if I'm wrong here).

To be honest, I think something radical like bha's proposal of making breathilizers manditory in all new cars is an interesting idea. Obviously doesn't stop all occurrences but its a start. And its something different.

Yeah, its sad we can't regulate ourselves and it would be some big brother ish but I think its better than what we have now. Call me whatever you want, but less deaths and less lives ruined to drunk driving is worth it.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;974224]By wow, i hope youre referring to Stacee McWilliams using this tragic incident to get her 15 minutes of fame. And PFT for perpetuating it by using such a licentious and inflamitory article name and not providing commentary...

Brent was intoxicated and just in an accident. the car FLIPPED AND ROLLED OVER. McWilliams stated that every time she spoke to him and told him to get his friend out of the car, his reply was "he won't get out of the car."

[B]Its blatantly obvious Brent was in shock. [/B] The idea that McWilliams and PFT are perpetuating the idea that he just didnt care about his friend is absurd.

McWilliams says she's coming forward because she doesn't want anyone to think Brents a hero - who the frack has said he's a hero?!?! No one. This woman is trying to capitalize on a tragedy for media attention and it disgusts me to my core.[/quote]
I agree. This article just gets people to jump to conclusions and make it more sensational. It's this kinda garbage that use to lead to mob justice. The guy was obviously shook up and of course impaired by alcohol. It's sad and was completely avoidable and he definitely made a bad decision that will affect him the rest of his life. The article is just piling on BS that tries to make it even worse.

[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;974224]By wow, i hope youre referring to Stacee McWilliams using this tragic incident to get her 15 minutes of fame. And PFT for perpetuating it by using such a licentious and inflamitory article name and not providing commentary...

Brent was intoxicated and just in an accident. the car FLIPPED AND ROLLED OVER. McWilliams stated that every time she spoke to him and told him to get his friend out of the car, his reply was "he won't get out of the car."

[B]Its blatantly obvious Brent was in shock. [/B] The idea that McWilliams and PFT are perpetuating the idea that he just didnt care about his friend is absurd.

McWilliams says she's coming forward because she doesn't want anyone to think Brents a hero - who the frack has said he's a hero?!?! No one. This woman is trying to capitalize on a tragedy for media attention and it disgusts me to my core.[/QUOTE]

Thank you because that article seemed so absurd and twisted.

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[quote=hooskins;974275]I think we agree here that it's a horrible thing to do and it puts everyone in danger.

The real question is how do you cure this epidemic our nation deals with on a daily basis? I personally think crucifying the drivers isn't the only or long term solution. Dui laws continue to grow and I don't think we've had a significant change in the number of accidents and deaths (correct me if I'm wrong here).

To be honest, I think something radical like bha's proposal of making breathilizers manditory in all new cars is an interesting idea. Obviously doesn't stop all occurrences but its a start. And its something different.

Yeah, its sad we can't regulate ourselves and it would be some big brother ish but I think its better than what we have now. Call me whatever you want, but less deaths and less lives ruined to drunk driving is worth it.[/quote]

Deaths have dropped to an all time low. The number are skewed but that's another thread.


Not only did the number of people killed in drunk driving crashes in 2011 (9,878) drop by 2.5 percent from the number killed in 2010 (10,136), but this decline outpaced the 1.9 percent decrease in overall highway deaths. "Our efforts are paying off in lives saved and injuries prevented," added Withers.
Since MADD was founded in 1980, more than 300,000 lives have been saved as a result of efforts to strengthen drunk driving laws and raise awareness about this 100 percent preventable crime. In addition, since MADD's [I]Campaign to Eliminate Drunk Driving[/I] was launched in 2006, we've seen an almost 27 percent decrease in drunk driving fatalities. The campaign includes three important components: 1) supporting high-visibility law enforcement efforts, such as sobriety checkpoints and NHTSA's nationwide 'Drive Sober or Get Pulled Over' campaign; 2) requiring ignition interlocks for all convicted drunk drivers; and 3) supporting the development of technology to automatically determine whether a driver is at or above the legal limit of .08 blood alcohol concentration (BAC).

Bottom line is he they both made dumb decisions and one guy is dead and the other probably wishes he was too rite about now. They both did something that millions of people do around the world everyday. Doesnt make it rite but nobody meant to hurt anyone. Some of the comments on here sound so spiteful. This was an accident and before anyone says well it was no accident that he had the drinks in the first place - i hope your fire alarms have good batteries and or have been inspected because if something happens it was your choice not to do so. There are hundreds of other examples - do any of you own guns? Are they safe and secure? Are you sure? Are the tires and brakes on all your cars ok? Bald tires are super dangerous so get em changed - if you dont and you cause an accident and kill someone it will be your fault for being to cheap and lazy to do so. I could go on and on. Dude made a mistake. He will pay for it the rest of his life.
He ****ed up.
None of you are perfect. Nobody is.
Edit: im not comparing driving drunk to neglect of your car- even though at 65mph both can be extremely hazardous. Im just pointing out that a bad decision can lead to a very unfortunate end, but we still have to differentiate from the severity of those decisions. Having a few drinks with ur best friend n going home is not exactly shooting someone

[QUOTE=firstdown;974289]Deaths have dropped to an all time low. The number are skewed but that's another thread.


Not only did the number of people killed in drunk driving crashes in 2011 (9,878) drop by 2.5 percent from the number killed in 2010 (10,136), but this decline outpaced the 1.9 percent decrease in overall highway deaths. "Our efforts are paying off in lives saved and injuries prevented," added Withers.
Since MADD was founded in 1980, more than 300,000 lives have been saved as a result of efforts to strengthen drunk driving laws and raise awareness about this 100 percent preventable crime. In addition, since MADD's [I]Campaign to Eliminate Drunk Driving[/I] was launched in 2006, we've seen an almost 27 percent decrease in drunk driving fatalities. The campaign includes three important components: 1) supporting high-visibility law enforcement efforts, such as sobriety checkpoints and NHTSA's nationwide 'Drive Sober or Get Pulled Over' campaign; 2) requiring ignition interlocks for all convicted drunk drivers; and 3) supporting the development of technology to automatically determine whether a driver is at or above the legal limit of .08 blood alcohol concentration (BAC).[/QUOTE]

Well that's good to hear. Still support bha's idea.

The breathalyzer would be a great idea if they could make sure somehow it was the drunk driver that was actually blowing in it. The fact that you may not be driving your own vehicle makes the idea seem impossible though.

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[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/eyewitness-describes-scene-crash-claimed-life-cowboys-linebacker-170937707--nfl.html]Eyewitness describes scene at crash that claimed the life of Cowboys linebacker Jerry Brown | Shutdown Corner - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

Brent sounds like a real classy guy.

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Goat has gone from not watching games to not reading posts