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[quote=Zerohero;975112]3 young hall of famers at the skill positions at the start of their prime didnt hurt. A great offensive line also. And back then Jones wasn't as controlling.
Cant really compare these two situations.[/quote]

Wasn't as controlling? He ran JJ out of town because he wanted to be GM.

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[quote=SmootSmack;975276]It was Gerald Snyder who insisted they sign Bruce Smith Snd start him, even after Smith himself wanted to just retire.

It was Drasner who demanded Turner be fired before the season was over and who demanded Schottenheimer be fired as well[/quote]

This is some enlightening stuff. Thanks SS! I didn't know any of this. What was Drasner's problem with Schottenheimer? Or did he just want Spurrier?

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[quote=saden1;975268]I would think once the owner starts telling you who to draft and play there aren't many options. Personally I would have let the SOB fire me and collect on my contract. People some forget Snyder is a real piece of work.[/quote]

I had heard that Spurrier initially didn't want Patrick Ramsey but Snyder and Cerrato did. And the whole Danny Wureffel story was monstrously insane.

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[quote=SmootSmack;975276]It was Gerald Snyder who insisted they sign Bruce Smith Snd start him, even after Smith himself wanted to just retire.

It was Drasner who demanded Turner be fired before the season was over and who demanded Schottenheimer be fired as well[/quote]

I never heard stories of his dad pulling strings. I think blaming anything on his father would be a mistake considering Dan owned the team. If his dad really was making the calls then that means Danny Boy was more incompetent than I thought. I certainly wouldn't be surprised if Snyder's dad was in charge, Dan is after all little fcking weasel.


Remember kids, people don't change...they just put cologne on.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;975299]I had heard that Spurrier initially didn't want Patrick Ramsey but Snyder and Cerrato did. And the whole Danny Wureffel story was monstrously insane.[/quote]

Go back and read my posts in this thread. Ramsey wasn't the first choice.

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[quote=saden1;975301]I never heard stories of his dad pulling strings. I think blaming anything on his father would be a mistake considering Dan owned the team. If his dad really was making the calls then that means Danny Boy was more incompetent than I thought. I certainly wouldn't be surprised if Snyder's dad was in charge, Dan is after all little fcking weasel.


Remember kids, people don't change...they just put cologne on.[/quote]

Well keep in mind that Snyder's father and sister were also owners of the team. Michelle was/is fairly hands off but his father had more say than most think. Gerald and Michelle combined actually owned more of the Redskins that Dan if I remember correctly.

Like I've mentioned before, the whole Dan and Vinny are best friends thing? Totally overblown. It was Vinny and Dan's dad that were best of friends.

And I mean Gerald Snyder wasn't a bad guy, he just wasn't a very good owner.

Dan was the face of the ownership group and took the heat for a lot of stuff that I know he really was just a bystander in. He certainly made his own fair share of mistakes as well

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[quote=SmootSmack;975276]It was Gerald Snyder who insisted they sign Bruce Smith Snd start him, even after Smith himself wanted to just retire.

It was Drasner who demanded Turner be fired before the season was over and who demanded Schottenheimer be fired as well[/quote]

And I guess Drasner allowed himself to be bought out after seeing what mess he helped create? I don't ever remember hearing that name before.

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[quote=53Fan;975298]This is some enlightening stuff. Thanks SS! I didn't know any of this. What was Drasner's problem with Schottenheimer? Or did he just want Spurrier?[/quote]

If I remember the story right, during preseason Drasner wanted one of Marty's assistant coaches (a real low level guy) to drive him somewhere. Marty intervened and said no, we're in the middle of practice. Drasner was livid and wanted Schottenheimer fired immediately. The other owners, mainly Snyder, pretty much told Drasner he was insane.

But from that point on, Drasner constantly bad mouthed Schottenheimer in private and public and basically had to be talked out of firing him every week.

Drasner was basically big kid with a bigger bank account. He wanted to be in the locker room, on the field, hanging out with the players, showing off his ownership. Marty would have none of that. That pissed Drasner off

It was stupid. It was painful to observe. Those years seeing the team up close for me was akin to a kid seeing someone who plays Mickey Mouse without the Mickey head on.

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[quote=skinsguy;975314]And I guess Drasner allowed himself to be bought out after seeing what mess he helped create? I don't ever remember hearing that name before.[/quote]

He got married in 2004/2005, sold his stake in the team and went on a 4+ year honeymoon sailing around the world

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It must be a slow week. We must be playing Cleveland or something.

It would have been nice to be a fly on the wall durring Snyder's early years. I question why all of a sudden this has become a relevant topic. It's got the feel of a Snyder PR stunt (It's not as bad as it used to be fellas). It would make for a great conspiracy theory. If only there were someone on this site who could put all of those pieces together...

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[quote=SmootSmack;975316]Drasner was basically big kid with a bigger bank account. He wanted to be in the locker room, on the field, hanging out with the players, showing off his ownership. Marty would have none of that. That pissed Drasner off.[/quote]


Oh, so he was like Jerrah.

LOL!

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[quote=SmootSmack;975316]If I remember the story right, during preseason Drasner wanted one of Marty's assistant coaches (a real low level guy) to drive him somewhere. Marty intervened and said no, we're in the middle of practice. Drasner was livid and wanted Schottenheimer fired immediately. The other owners, mainly Snyder, pretty much told Drasner he was insane.

But from that point on, Drasner constantly bad mouthed Schottenheimer in private and public and basically had to be talked out of firing him every week.

Drasner was basically big kid with a bigger bank account. He wanted to be in the locker room, on the field, hanging out with the players, showing off his ownership. Marty would have none of that. That pissed Drasner off

It was stupid. It was painful to observe. Those years seeing the team up close for me was akin to a kid seeing someone who plays Mickey Mouse without the Mickey head on.[/quote]

Drasner sounds like a real jerk. I'm glad he's gone. I'm sure it was hard to watch this crap go on with your favorite team. It must have felt like meeting someone you've always admired and looked up to and finding out they're just a petty selfcentered little man. Not Drasner himself I mean. Just the disillusionment that came with seeing what was really going on behind the scenes. Thanks for the info bro!

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[quote=SmootSmack;975316]If I remember the story right, during preseason Drasner wanted one of Marty's assistant coaches (a real low level guy) to drive him somewhere. Marty intervened and said no, we're in the middle of practice. Drasner was livid and wanted Schottenheimer fired immediately. The other owners, mainly Snyder, pretty much told Drasner he was insane.

But from that point on, Drasner constantly bad mouthed Schottenheimer in private and public and basically had to be talked out of firing him every week.

Drasner was basically big kid with a bigger bank account. He wanted to be in the locker room, on the field, hanging out with the players, showing off his ownership. Marty would have none of that. That pissed Drasner off

It was stupid. It was painful to observe. Those years seeing the team up close for me was akin to a kid seeing someone who plays Mickey Mouse without the Mickey head on.[/quote]

Wow! It definitely puts Dan Snyder into another perspective that I have never seen him in. Like you said, I'm sure Dan was not immune to doing some stupid things himself, but it makes you wonder how different things could have been if Dan, alone, had owned the team from the beginning. I think the organization would have still had some growing pains, but maybe, just maybe the 'skins would have kept Marty around for a few seasons, just to rebuild the reputation, much like he did in San Diego.

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Dan needed the money these other guys brought in. He couldn't have been an owner without guys like Drasner

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[quote=SmootSmack;975340]Dan needed the money these other guys brought in. He couldn't have been an owner without guys like Drasner[/quote]

Right! Could you imagine how things would have been if it was Dan who had backed out instead of Fred?

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Spurrier wasn't an actual failure. He should have kept at it. I remember his press conference when he was first hired as HC. A Washington Times reporter asked him about Stephen Davis and how he would be used, Spurrier said "We're gonna have a lot of draw plays for him". Later on in Davis last season, he didn't even come anywhere of using Davis in the way Norv Turner and Schottenheimer did.

The mere thought of pitching and catching in the NFC East is a crazy thought. In the NFC East you have to run the football and then run the football. Spurrier never got that.

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[quote=SmootSmack;975311]Go back and read my posts in this thread. Ramsey wasn't the first choice.[/quote]

Thanks for sharing, Smoot. I never read posts from previous pages before I post. I don't know if Ramsey or Harrington was the bigger bust. Neither of them were very good.

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To be fair, if Ramsey wouldn't have gotten broken mentally by taking 1 million hits / sacks a game, he could have been very productive. It was obvious though that after multiple seasons of getting hit a lot that he would hear footsteps and make a bonehead play, or curl up like a little girl and cry. Our O-Line at the time is what really destroyed Ramsey.

[QUOTE=Hail to the SteelSkins;975391]To be fair, if Ramsey wouldn't have gotten broken mentally by taking 1 million hits / sacks a game, he could have been very productive. It was obvious though that after multiple seasons of getting hit a lot that he would hear footsteps and make a bonehead play, or curl up like a little girl and cry. Our O-Line at the time is what really destroyed Ramsey.[/QUOTE]

Nope. Ramsey was a nice guy, strong arm and smart - but he was a slow in his decisions and would continually repeat bonehead mistakes. Nothing ruined him, he just wasn't that good.

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[quote=SmootSmack;975270]Spurrier brought the majority of the mess onto himself. Like I mentioned earlier in this thread and previously on this board, in those days Dan Snyder had much less influence than people think. His dad had more say than Dan has ever had. And Fred Drasner was the worst owner no one talks about.[/quote]

[quote=SmootSmack;975276]It was Gerald Snyder who insisted they sign Bruce Smith Snd start him, even after Smith himself wanted to just retire.

It was Drasner who demanded Turner be fired before the season was over and who demanded Schottenheimer be fired as well[/quote]


[quote=SmootSmack;975313]Well keep in mind that Snyder's father and sister were also owners of the team. Michelle was/is fairly hands off but his father had more say than most think. Gerald and Michelle combined actually owned more of the Redskins that Dan if I remember correctly.

Like I've mentioned before, the whole Dan and Vinny are best friends thing? Totally overblown. It was Vinny and Dan's dad that were best of friends.

And I mean Gerald Snyder wasn't a bad guy, he just wasn't a very good owner.

Dan was the face of the ownership group and took the heat for a lot of stuff that I know he really was just a bystander in. He certainly made his own fair share of mistakes as well[/quote]


Wow. Amazing info. Thanks a lot for sharing. SMoot, you should write a tell all book one day and call it "Snyder: The man you never knew". I'd be first in line to buy it. Only if I could get a signed copy. :silly:

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Why are we talking about a college coach who hasn't coached in the NFL for close to 10 years now..

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because it looks like chip kelly may be making the jump, and if you wanted to speculate as to whether or not he can succeed, perspective on what went wrong with previous college phenoms may prove insightful.

and cause it still part of redskins history.

but i don't know, next time you bring up a draft prospect i'll ask why we're discussing people who aren't even in the nfl, or whatnot. if you're not happy with the thread, you're free to ignore it.

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[quote=That Guy;975562]because it looks like chip kelly may be making the jump, and if you wanted to speculate as to whether or not he can succeed, perspective on what went wrong with previous college phenoms may prove insightful.

and cause it still part of redskins history.

but i don't know, next time you bring up a draft prospect i'll ask why we're discussing people who aren't even in the nfl, or whatnot. if you're not happy with the thread, you're free to ignore it.[/quote]

Then talk about Chip Kelly, not Spurrier who has said he will never go back to the pros again. Why should really look back at something so bad when we having something so good right in front of us.

And the draft is relevant, when Kiper and McShay come out, the draft starts to become important. Also I made that thread back when we were looking and a lot of us thought our season was done (even Shanahan)

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This is pretty interesting and I'm glad I've read through this thread.

That's just me though...

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;975528]Wow. Amazing info. Thanks a lot for sharing. SMoot, you should write a tell all book one day and call it "Snyder: The man you never knew". I'd be first in line to buy it. Only if I could get a signed copy. :silly:[/QUOTE]

I'd be second in line! Very interesting stuff.

[QUOTE=CultBrennan59;975546]Why are we talking about a college coach who hasn't coached in the NFL for close to 10 years now..[/QUOTE]

Yes, lets never talk about historical facts or bad times, that way they never happened...

smh

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because we have new information and it gives an insight into how f'd up that whole episode was... which is what i've already said. again, no one is forcing you to read this or respond, so feel free not to.

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[quote=GoSkins!;975035]To much ego, to little work ethic.[/quote]

This simple statement really captures the essence of Spurrier's problems in Washington. A very good friend of mine & myself actually knew two of Coach Spurrier's assistants. They were both candid about the lack of work ethic, the preference for golf over film study and practice, & Spurrier's arrogance with regard to "knowing more" than other coaches. Derailed his NFL career in a hurry!

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[quote=Lotus;975230]This thread makes me inexplicably feel like playing golf.[/quote]

Thats funny, it makes me want to weep.

Its also funny how he still holds a grudge against The Redskins(siding with Shanny when he bashes them) then he quits on the his new team as soon as things get tough, like he did here. Grrrrr, I will despise that coach for as long as I bleed Burgundy & Gold.

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Some guys are just college coaches. Spurrier was just a college coach.

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Spurrier is a douche. Knowing that the great Joe Gibbs slept about 2 hours per day for years to hone his craft, you have to be a grade A douche to come in and think you can win with no work behind it. And that's exactly what he proved to be. Screw him and his stupid visors. Ol ball coach was a sackless weasel.


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I'll never wear a visor cap again.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/20599/steve-spurriers-redskins-days-filled-with-stories-not-wins]Steve Spurrier's Washington Redskins days filled with stories, not W's - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=redskin29633;976752]This simple statement really captures the essence of Spurrier's problems in Washington. A very good friend of mine & myself actually knew two of Coach Spurrier's assistants. They were both candid about the lack of work ethic, the preference for golf over film study and practice, & Spurrier's arrogance with regard to "knowing more" than other coaches. Derailed his NFL career in a hurry![/quote]

It might have also had something to do with the fact that he worked for at the time the most dysfunctional team in the NFL. Spurrier also says that his second year, neither he or his coaches were even allowed to pick the players, and at that moment he knew it was over. He has said this in interviews all the time..He is also surprisingly not bitter about his time here.

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Spurrier would have failed with any team in the NFL.

Who the heck in their right mind would have let Spurrier pick players at this level? He was perfectly fine with the arrangement and the nice payday with minimum effort.

He's got nothing to be bitter over, he was a joke and he knew it.

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What gets me about Spurrier is he just up and quits on his team like a true gutless pussy. How about you announce this is your last year but finish the job and be a man. To walk out on his team when the going gets tough pretty much says he's a quitter. He's probably golfing today. SMH.

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[quote=Mattyk;1125392]Spurrier would have failed with any team in the NFL.

Who the heck in their right mind would have let Spurrier pick players at this level? He was perfectly fine with the arrangement and the nice payday with minimum effort.

He's got nothing to be bitter over, he was a joke and he knew it.[/quote]


Pretty much sums it up. I particularly like the way he's bailing on SC during the season. He's a quitter much like Bobby Petrino is. He's bailing because he isn't getting those top recruits like he used to back in Florida and can't compete in the SEC like the old days.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1125391]It might have also had something to do with the fact that he worked for at the time the most dysfunctional team in the NFL. Spurrier also says that his second year, neither he or his coaches were even allowed to pick the players, and at that moment he knew it was over. He has said this in interviews all the time..He is also surprisingly not bitter about his time here.[/quote]

You decide to go on vacation and off the grid at the start of free agency and what right do you have to pick your players?

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Honestly the real reason I was so adamant against hiring Spurious was because we already had a good coach who was only in his first year, here. One who understood there was more than one side of the football and had a radically different philosophy than The Ole Ball Dud.

Maybe if he was hired right after Turner was sacked and taking over his players then I wouldn't rue his name? He would've come into a team better suited for his supposed offensive wizardry. As it stands now the hiring of that arrogant buffoon stands as the highlight of Snyder's short sightedness.

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My dad says that Steve Spurrier is sick right now, which is why he is quitting. Whether it be Cancer or something like that he isn't sure. Any truth to that you think or just speculation??

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You can't pitch and catch in the NFC East and don't run the football.... this equates to a recipe for failure....