Re: Russel Wilson or Bob
 

I understand the question, the comparative cost in hindsight is significant. HOWEVER, at the point of the draft, you would have been gambling this franchise's future for a 5'10 running qb. Shanahan may have been run out of town before the season started, and Wilson never would have gotten the chance to start. Add in the fact that he mainly won in a domed stadium with maybe the best homefield advantage in sports, and lost on the road, we would right now be in the midst of a coaching hunt. And that's before ST/Defense comes in as a factor. Finally, Griffin has held up and flourished under the media scrutiny that this town brings, I don't know how Wilson has done in Seattle, or how he would have done here, but again, I don't think it's a guarantee he succeeds at it like Griffin has.

(to Redskins4Ever: Bob will never be worn out. I dream of the Superbowl trophy being raised, and Danny saying "This one's for Bob", only he doesn't have to wait as long as John did ;) )

Re: Russel Wilson or Bob
 

[quote=skinsfan69;976976]That's true but he's already been hurt twice now running out of the pocket. We were very fortunate that he didn't have a devestating knee injury last week. [B]With his style of play we're going to need a quality back up[/B].[/quote]

Check.

See yesterday.

Re: Russel Wilson or Bob
 

[quote=mredskins;976998]Really because RGII seems to be pretty well played...When I say RG3 I expect to see R2D2's cousin.


[IMG]http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSy7fKM4YXeIm3vBAN1RW-Po8ouX08BN6T-Je3y8NApDMwcFMvomBvxaoko[/IMG][/quote]

there is a poster on cowboyszone.com that refers to Griffin as R2D2. I don't get the reference.

Re: Russel Wilson or Bob
 

It's a pretty interesting question. I think if you limit the decision factors to draft picks (traded) and stats it's not crazy to wonder if Wilson would have been the better "deal." When you consider the intangibles it could be a totally different story though. I don't know much about Wilson, but I do know any QB in DC is under intense pressure/limelight and RG has shown extraordinary maturity and character. Wilson may be a real solid dude, but how do you know whether he could handle DC? DC after being sent out to catch a pass against Ryan Clark? DC with a 3-6 record and concern mounting about regime etc?

Wilson, by comparison, has had it pretty easy. Better defense. Better coaching IMO (yeah, I realize everyone disagrees and feel free to post a million face palms, I don't care). Just no telling how he would have held up here. RG's intangibles are as impressive as his stats, and I think Mike and the braintrust recognized that early on.

Re: Russel Wilson or Bob
 

griff = 1st in the division
wilson = ?

the only player clearly on his last leg is fletcher, everyone else can make it past the cap penalties and the lack of 1st round picks.
soon enough, people will stop questioning the griff trade

Re: Russel Wilson or Bob
 

[quote=skinsfan69;976976]That's true but he's already been hurt twice now running out of the pocket. We were very fortunate that he didn't have a devestating knee injury last week. With his style of play we're going to need a quality back up.[/quote]

That pretty much logically sums it up. Nice. :food-smil

Re: Russel Wilson or Bob
 

Robert Trois

Re: Russel Wilson or Bob
 

[quote=mredskins;976906]In hindsight what would have been the better pick for the Skins? Remember Russell allows us to keep all our draft picks. We ahve 3 more first round picks assuming we drafted Wilson in the later rounds.

Just something to chew on.

I think I still take RGIII.[/quote]

Russell or Robert? I'll take Robert.

Russell plus the 3 1st round picks or Robert? I'll take Russell and the picks.

Re: Russel Wilson or Bob
 

I kind of expected the question after yesterday to have been Roberto or keep the picks plus Cousins

Re: Russel Wilson or Bob
 

[quote=SmootSmack;977075]I kind of expected the question after yesterday to have been Roberto or keep the picks plus Cousins[/quote]

That's the more logical question.

Re: Russel Wilson or Bob
 

I'd still take Bob, he brings much needed confidence among his many other gifts. His balz out play seems to be catchy.

[QUOTE=Southpaw;976988]The loss of Orakpo(the primary pass rusher by a wide margin) has basically crippled the overall pass defense. Rob Jackson is a solid depth player, with a nose for the football. Why is this even a discussion? Additionally, why are so many fans willing to get rid of Orakpo? You'd think the that lack of any legitimate pass rush this season would go to prove how important he is.

Also, Bob. If Griffin had the luxury of Seattle's defense and special teams, we'd be talking Superbowl.[/QUOTE]

Good post. And their homefield advantage.

Re: Russel Wilson or Bob
 

Bob. Even though Wilson may have been the steal of the last draft.

Re: Russel Wilson or Bob
 

RG3 easily. Now granted in this scenario Russell Wilson might be the worlds greatest consolation prize but I'd still take RG3. Maybe if the question is which young franchise QB do you trust to be healthier for the next 15 years then I might lean towards Wilson mainly because he has less rushing yards and attempts then RG3.

In regards to why I choose RG3 over Wilson aside from being a homer, I feel that Wilson has the better defense and RG3 has been playing at a top 10 level since week 1 with little to no support defensively, compared to Wilson who didn't hit his current level until November. And this has all taken place in spite of the Redskins offense now being out in the open on film.

Same can be said about Wilson but it took Wilson a while to get into the grove. I remember listening to Seattle radio at random early in the season and hearing fans at the very least expect sub 170 yard passing days to be the norm for the foreseeable future and the only reason they got out of that funk came when teams decided to see if Wilson could beat them if they took away Lynch. Griffin on the other hand has carried the team on his back since day 1 hence why I trust him more then Wilson at this point.

We all know that Griffin has the capacity to develop into a pocket passer. Heck we're already seeing it.

First 6 Games: 7 Passing TD's - 6 Rushing TD's
Last 7 Games: 13 Passing TD's - 0 Rushing TD's

He's said it from the start that he believes that QB is played best from the pocket and his running ability is a last resort. And I think what we're seeing with his ability in the redzone that he's gotten much more confident finishing off these drives through the air where in his first 6 weeks he tended to fall back on his rushing ability.

Also one last thing. Aaron Rodgers at the start of his career was the worlds least durable QB. This was the guy who broke his foot in cleanup duty after Favre left a game in 2006. He also had a hamstring injury that saw him listed as doubtful for four weeks in 2007. Missed one or two games since then. As long as RG3 continues to focus on developing as a pass first QB he will be fine health wise.

Re: Russel Wilson or Bob
 

[quote=RGIII;976962]There's no comparison. It should be Wilson or Cousins! If the Skins do play SEA in the playoffs, I'm inclined to think RGIII would make SEA's Richard Sherman eat his words that Wilson is better than RGIII![/quote]

There might not be a Sherman in the future, read Adam S. update below:

Appeal of the four-game suspension for Seahawks cornerback Richard Sherman will be held Friday, two days before game vs. SF.

Re: Russel Wilson or Bob
 

Russell Wilson is good. But RG3 is much better.

Re: Russel Wilson or Bob
 

[quote=mredskins;976906]In hindsight what would have been the better pick for the Skins? Remember Russell allows us to keep all our draft picks. We have 3 more first round picks assuming we drafted Wilson in the later rounds.

Just something to chew on.

I think I still take RGIII.[/quote]

We would have two more first round picks, if we don't make the trade but I still take Griffin.

Re: Russel Wilson or Bob
 

Bob IMO he has more growth potential.

Re: Russel Wilson or Bob
 

Wilson is really a great QB. Carroll has been [URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/08/pete-carroll-draws-inspiration-from-rg3-redskins/"]stealing plays from the Redskins[/URL] for a while now and the same plays we run are now being used by both the Seahawks and 49ers. RG3 is more accurate but Wilson is accurate for a rookie too and he can hurt you with his feet just like RG3. Unlike RG3, however, Wilson actually has the physic to turn into a real RB once he takes off (5' 11" 206lb balling ball) and you're less likely to see him get hurt.

One advantage Wilson has over RG3 is he can take more risks because he's defense is amazing. He makes quite a lot of dumb mistakes with the knowledge that the defense will bail him out. Overall though, RG3 is superior in all facets of the game. I would say Wilson is a better value given how much we paid to get RG3. You're seeing the next generation of QBs and Wilson is included in the conversation.

Re: Russel Wilson or Bob
 

RGIII or any other player in the NFL = RGIII.

This kid is the future!

Re: Russel Wilson or Bob
 

Just to get this straight, The Redskins, 49ers and Seahawks are using the "pistol formation" designed by the University of Nevada coach Chris Ault. If anyone should be pretty familiar with this offense/formation is Colin Kapernick.

The pistol offense is an American football formation and strategy developed in 2004 by Chris Ault, the University of Nevada head coach. It is a hybrid of the traditional shotgun and single back offenses. In the pistol offense, also commonly referred to as the "pistol formation", the quarterback lines up four yards behind the center rather than seven yards, as with the shotgun formation. The running back lines up three yards[citation needed] directly behind the quarterback, as opposed to next to him as in the shotgun.

In the pistol formation, the quarterback is close enough to the line of scrimmage to be able to read the defense and far enough back to give him extra time and a better vision of the field just like in the shotgun.

Re: Russel Wilson or Bob
 

[quote=sdskinsfan2001;977255]RGIII or any other player in the NFL = RGIII.

This kid is the future![/quote]

Is this new math? I don't get it

Re: Russel Wilson or Bob
 

[quote=smootsmack;977268]is this new math? I don't get it[/quote]

loool

Re: Russel Wilson or Bob
 

[quote=30gut;977072]Russell or Robert? I'll take Robert.

Russell plus the 3 1st round picks or Robert? I'll take Russell and the picks.[/quote]

Hindsight is 20/20. No one put Russell as being that good, with the exception of me. #Hometownboy

Re: Russel Wilson or Bob
 

[quote=SkinzWin;977288]Hindsight is 20/20. No one put Russell as being that good, with the exception of me. #Hometownboy[/quote]I'm not sure what this means...but I though Russell could play despite his height

Watching Russell tonight he looks pretty good.

Re: Russel Wilson or Bob
 

[quote=mredskins;979614]Watching Russell tonight he looks pretty good.[/quote]

Richmond boy for ya….

Double the int's of Griff.

Re: Russel Wilson or Bob
 

RW has got a better D, better ST, a better RB, better O line than RGIII. Keep that in mind...

Re: Russel Wilson or Bob
 

Let me ask you guys this.

Would Russel Wilson have led the Reskins the way RG III has? Does he have that leadership factor that we have with RG III?

No doubt Wilson has more help

Re: Russel Wilson or Bob
 

[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;979639]Let me ask you guys this.

Would Russel Wilson have led the Reskins the way RG III has? Does he have that leadership factor that we have with RG III?[/quote]

He has the leadership skills equal to RGIII but not quite the physical skill set. Although close, I don't think his impact in Washington would have been as great.

I think Wilson would have been good in Washington, good players generally are good anywhere they go, it's the coaching and system that makes them elite IMO.

Re: Russel Wilson or Bob
 

I don't think we will have a definite answer for at least 5 years, maybe 10. However after 10 we will def know which we would have rather had. I hope it's RG3, but for the picks at this point Wilson looks like a good option. I think RG3 is better and has a higher ceiling, but Wilson is very impressive

Re: Russel Wilson or Bob
 

After finally seeing Wilson today, honestly Wilson seems like the real deal. Hard to believe Luck, RG3 and Wilson came from the same draft. Hindsight will tell us if all of these guys produce consistently over time - and Luck and RG3 seem less bust-proof. But Wilson cannot be playing any better tonight against one of the best defenses in the league. Three weeks of > 40-50 points is ridiculous.

Regardless, I think Washington DC needed the hype of RG3, his poise, personality and leadership. Shanahan's offensive schemes have maximized his production, and we're only going to see him mature as a passer as stated above.

In terms of rookie of the year -- I think RG3 may get it, but Luck / Wilson are right there.

Re: Russel Wilson or Bob
 

I honestly think all three are equally deserving. Russel Wilson has been balling all season long. I wouldn't be the least upset if RG didn't get it. I just want him to take us deep into the playoffs.

Re: Russel Wilson or Bob
 

[url=http://httr24-7.com/blog/nfl-offensive-rookie-of-the-year-a-two-horse-race/]HTTR 24-7 - NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year: A Two Horse Race[/url]

Re: Russel Wilson or Bob
 

I think IMO it is safe to say I rather Russell Wilson then Bob and 3 extra first round picks. I watched him for the first time last night for an entire game and I was very impressed.


Before you blast me I am not saying Wilson is better then RGIII; I am saying I rather Wilson and 3 first round picks (assuming we drafted Wilson in the 3rd round).

[QUOTE=mredskins;979909]I think IMO it is safe to say I rather Russell Wilson then Bob and 3 extra first round picks. I watched him for the first time last night for an entire game and I was very impressed.


Before you blast me I am not saying Wilson is better then RGIII; I am saying I rather Wilson and 3 first round picks (assuming we drafted Wilson in the 3rd round).[/QUOTE]

No way man, I understand the picks but Griffin is a once in a decade player. Wilson is good but he's nothing special, in 5 years this discussion won't be close

Re: Russel Wilson or Bob
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;979911]No way man, I understand the picks but Griffin is a once in a decade player. Wilson is good but he's nothing special, in 5 years this discussion won't be close[/quote]

Hmmm really? Wilson very well maybe a once in a decade player. Shoot Tom Brady is a once in decade player he was draft in the sixth round.

Right now as 12/24/2012 Wilson and RGIII are neck and neck quality wise.