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[quote=Mattyk;985259]There's a difference between having an ego, which plenty of athletes do, and being a selfish unlikable brat like Cam Newton.

There's no real comparison there between RG3 and Cam. None.[/quote]

Exactly. Even Cutler to an extent, but especially Cam. It is when you alienate your teammates that it becomes a problem.

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[quote=Mattyk;985259]There's a difference between having an ego, which plenty of athletes do, and being a selfish unlikable brat like Cam Newton.

There's no real comparison there between RG3 and Cam. None.[/quote]

We agree 1000% there... definitely.

Again, as I stated earlier, 98% of the time, the narcissism is good/great... but 2% of the time it can be a negative..

* When we are losing/not playing well
* When he is hurt and refuses to let anyone else play

I'm just saying that I feel like it is definitely something to have in the back of the mind and I think it will show negatively in the future at some point.

The thing that I heard that scared me was the attitude that he tells the coach what's going to happen (this thinking will only get worse as he becomes more of a veteran).

... it kinda ties into the fact that he calls his offensive coordinator "Kyle." I just haven't liked that... calling a coach by their first name... but that's just a me thing I guess since it's 2013.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;985130]What happened today doesnt matter anymore, its history.
We had a farging great year.
Remember the Vikings game? Holy crap!
7 wins in a row? WTF?
Sweeping Dallas, knocking out the Giants....
Oh and hey....we won the division.
We made the playoffs!
And I'm telling anyone with a pulse that RGIII will win three super bowls for us.
I'm calling four appearances and three wins.
Get ready for the long haul cause we're riding down the rails on the crazy train.
Congrats on a great season to our 2013 Washington Redskins!!!

(Did I mention we swept Dallas?)[/quote]

Alvin Walton with my favorite post of the year (aka the week) so far. This sums up how I feel about this team right now. Going deep into the playoffs would've been nice, but my season expectations were 8-8, with the offense carrying us and the defense letting us down. So I'm definitely happy with where we are and what we accomplished this season. I don't think I'll be able to say I saw my favorite team go from 3-6 to 10-6 in the span of a couple months, probably again in my lifetime. Tonight was disappointing, and my everlasting hate for Seattle continues, but it can't damper the fact that even being in this moment was more than I expected. I don't expect big changes this offseason, besides some secondary help, and maybe a tweak here and there, but I do hope all that we've accomplished this year sets us up for bigger things next year.

I have one request for this off-season, can we have a mod whose only job is to fix thread titles? The OC in me is going a bit I insane about this title. :banghead:

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[QUOTE=redskins5044;985155]We could have beat the Rams, Bengals, Steelers, Giants, panthers and Falcons too but we didn't.[/QUOTE]

Well not the Steelers so much. Lol.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;985184]May not come back? What is this 1950?

Andrews recommended that he should have stayed out? You sure about that?[/QUOTE]

Four words:

Elroy Crazy Legs Hirsch.

*** he played in 1950 but other than that this is not a relevant comment.

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I didn't see tbis angle watching the game. that knee looked bad!

How about wearing the knee brace properly. The brace was on his shin and not his knee.

Anyways, looking forward to what we can do next year. I feel good that we almost beat what some are calling the best team in football with hardly any offense for 3 quarters.

From the first time I saw this guy at Baylor I have been singing his praises. But not today. There is Gallant and there is selfish. yesterday was selfish. His team had no chance to win with him at quarterback After he tweaked it early in the game.

This franchises mortgaged everything on this guy. My guess is he'll be gone till November. Welcome to four and 12
It should cost Shannahan's job

'With great power comes great responsibility'

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[quote=Mattyk;985184]May not come back? What is this 1950?

Andrews recommended that he should have stayed out? You sure about that?[/quote]

That's the same thing I've been saying in my head over and over again as sportscasters have criticized the Skins for jeopardizing RG's future. He had a sprained tendon; worse case scenario he tears it, gets ACL surgery, and by September he's playing on a knee structurally stronger than it's ever been.

How is anyone putting the blame on Griffin? Is Shanny not the coach of this team?

He saw what we all seen after the first quarter. Do what he was paid to do and make the tough decisions whether it pisses a player off or not. He wasn't brought in to appease any players emotions.

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I still think an injured Griffin would've given us a better chance to win than Cousins. We can second guess all we want, but at the end of the day it is the right call. Other players were hobbled out there but they played because they gave us the best opportunity to win.

[QUOTE=BaltimoreSkins;985402]I still think an injured Griffin would've given us a better chance to win than Cousins. We can second guess all we want, but at the end of the day it is the right call. Other players were hobbled out there but they played because they gave us the best opportunity to win.[/QUOTE]

At the end of the day it was the right call?
Flabbergasted that you or anyone else believes that

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I believe he should have come out at least after the first series in the 2nd quarter. It was obvious to anyone watching the game that he was hurt and not effective. He couldn't run and he couldn't plant his leg to throw. The Seahawks definetly knew it, and it worked against the rest of our offense. RGIII didn't want to come out, but that's not his decision. The coach has to make that decision, and it cost the Redskins a chance and possibly a worse injury. Cousins proved he is a capable QB and would have given us a better chance. He couldn't have done any worse as it turns out.

That being said, I couldn't be prouder to be a Redskin fan and the season we had. We accomplished more this year than any of us could have dreamed. I hope his injury is not worst case and he takes the off season to heal and come back next year ready to dominate. HTTR

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Initial stuff I'm seeing on twitter says MCL tear-

Take it with a grain of salt because it's twitter- but yeah, I think judging on how it looked that could be the case.

Still a great season, but man- I was screaming for him to come out after the 14-0 lead and he started to hobble. Damn shame.

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Yeah, I guess we're hindsighting this morning. But Rob should have been yanked after the second TD. He just wasn't right. Hasn't been for a month. I hope he'll get some of whatever Adrian Peterson had during the offseason.

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[quote=htownskinfan;985415]At the end of the day it was the right call?
Flabbergasted that you or anyone else believes that[/quote]

It's called denial. Something I think RG3 and Shanahan were both in during the game too.

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[quote=12thMan;985455]Yeah,[B] I guess we're hindsighting this morning[/B]. But Rob should have been yanked after the second TD. He just wasn't right. Hasn't been for a month. I hope he'll get some of whatever Adrian Peterson had during the offseason.[/quote]

I don't think it's hindsight. I think we all knew while it was happening that it was a terrible idea for him to be in. I think the doctors knew- but he played. That's what pisses me off. I know we are Monday morning Quarterbacking here but it's unprofessional that he still played.

We march down the field and win and his knee holds up- I think we're still saying, "Man he's awesome, but at what point do you yank him?".

Huge blow.

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It's fairly safe to say whether it's MCL or ACL, he'll recover, right? But my concern is this a recurring problem like with Greg Oden? Although different type of injury.

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RG3 isn't the first player to have a knee injury. He will recover.

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[quote=12thMan;985460]It's fairly safe to say whether it's MCL or ACL, he'll recover, right? But my concern is this a recurring problem like with Greg Oden? Although different type of injury.[/quote]

Oden was 7 feet tall. A lot of those guys like Yao Ming are just so tall that it breaks down their knee and lower back. It is different when you are not 7 feet tall and have to support that height and weight.

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[quote=donofriose;985462]Oden was 7 feet tall. A lot of those guys like Yao Ming are just so tall that it breaks down their knee and lower back. It is different when you are not 7 feet tall and have to support that height and weight.[/quote]

Why I pointed out, "different type of injury".

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[quote=Mattyk;985457]It's called denial. Something I think RG3 and Shanahan were both in during the game too.[/quote]Yeah.

Still can't get too worked up about it, though. What's done is done, Robert will be okay and both will have learned from this.

I've already moved on. We have nowhere to go but up.

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[quote=12thMan;985463]Why I pointed out, "different type of injury".[/quote]

I thought you were speaking on the injury itself rather than the body type. My mistake.

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[quote=ashvirtually;985466]Yeah.

Still can't get too worked up about it, though. What's done is done, Robert will be okay and [B]both will have learned from this.[/B]
I've already moved on. We have nowhere to go but up.[/quote]

I wouldn't be so sure about that. Neither learned from the Baltimore game.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;985457]It's called denial. Something I think RG3 and Shanahan were both in during the game too.[/QUOTE]

And after the game also
It kills me to say something bad about Rg3,but for him to say after the game he didnt think he hurt the team by being in there really really rubs me the wrong way
Call it ego,arrogance,stupidity,whatever you want to call it,But he def hurt our chances to win
It was obvious to me he wasn't the same player when he hurt himself on the rollout right before he threw the td to Paulson,then as he played more it was painfully obvious he was holding team back
Shanahan might have been 2nd guessed if he pulled him and stuck Kirk in and we still lost,but not by me
I think we win if Kirk comes in after halftime

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Here we go with the Warpath MD's. Makes me laugh every time.

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Who's being an MD? Were just stating our opinion. No one's rendered a medical diagnosis from what I've read in any of the threads.

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I have to admit, I was disappointed with RGIII's comments after the game also. He is a warrior and a true competitor, but he put his ego ahead of the team. " I don't feel like me being out there hurt the team in any way" and "I'm the best option" were clearly wrong statements. For the future, yes, but not in this game. Cousins could have come in with a 14 point lead and they would have had a chance. With RGIII on the field, he also eliminated the WR's and Alfred Morris offensively, as the 74 yards of total offense in the last 3 quarters told.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;985469]I wouldn't be so sure about that. Neither learned from the Baltimore game.[/quote]Eh.

I'm not a big fan of ESPN anymore, but I'm tuned in to First Take this morning because I knew Skip Bayless would have something to say about this since he's such a big fan of Robert and is the reason I followed him his last year at Baylor.

I pretty much agree with everything he said about what occurred last night.

Not sure what Robert and Shanny were supposed to learn from the Baltimore game, other than that when a player affects the play on the field he's not playing on you've got something special.

Also see no reason to believe two intelligent men haven't already learned something and wish they had done things different this very morning.

BTJM

[QUOTE=Mattyk;985457]It's called denial. Something I think RG3 and Shanahan were both in during the game too.[/QUOTE]

I think the denial had been going on since well before 5:30 yesterday. But given their convictions that RG3 was able to play, I would have kept him in there as well

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I think there's been some denial going on by some fans here on the Path as well.

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Not sure how a hand full of coaches could have watch the last 3 qtrs and the total lack of production from the O and not figured out that they need to pull RGIII. We had some where around 170 yrds in O yesterday and around 120 came in the 1st qtr or before his injury.

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I really think that had RG3 been 100% going into the playoffs the Skins would have gone to the Super Bowl with a good chance of winning it.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;985469]I wouldn't be so sure about that. Neither learned from the Baltimore game.[/quote]


So what is your alternative? To play Cousins, go 6-1 in the stretch (if we're lucky) and miss the play-offs? Why do I have the feeling that you wouldn't be satisfied with that choice either?

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[quote=irish;985506]I really think that had RG3 been 100% going into the playoffs the Skins would have gone to the Super Bowl with a good chance of winning it.[/quote]Aye. Our soupy Defense and Secondary held that team to thirteen points for the better part of three quarters. We would have run up the score if Robert had simply been able to move like he did that first drive, and our D hadn't run out of steam.

And we would have run the table in the playoffs all the way to the Superbowl.

And as for the post-game interview that also has everyone's knickers in a knot ... I thought it was outstanding. I love the way Robert stands tall with the truth.

We haven't even seen the beginning of what's possible with him at the helm.

For Gaea's sake, for the first time in forever we can say there's next season and KNOW it to be true.

People need to calm down.

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[quote=12thMan;985463]Why I pointed out, "different type of injury".[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]But maybe not completely different.[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Obviously, yesterday he was playing on a injured knee from the Steelers game, which was injured because of a hit that would have injured anyone's knee. But at Baylor he tore his ACL when he planted his right foot while running, not because of a hit. And not to draw any comparisons to yesterday, but after tearing his ACL at Baylor he came back into the game and continued to play, before being kept out by his coach after halftime.[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Im not a doctor, but like most people on this forum, i too like to speculate. And in my purely speculative opinion knee injuries that happen for no apparent reason concern me the most. Jarvis Jenkins last year, Meriwether this year. Those concern me, because they seem like they could be the chronic Olden/Malcom Kelly type. But sometimes those tears that just happen for no particular reason are just that, and the player never has a problem again. Hopefully one of those random and without reason ACL tears is what happened to Griffin back at Baylor.[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Griffin’s first, and seemingly more concerning, injury happened in 2010 and until recently he hasnt had any issues at all. And his current injury only happened because of a hit that would of compromised anyone's knee. Like everyone im hoping it turns out its just furthered sprained and hell be fine. Im very optimistic if it turns to be his MCL. And im only really worried about the health of his right knee if it turns out to be his ACL, but not nearly as worried as i would have been if it hadnt been injury related.[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]More importantly im worried about his long term health, because as special of a player he is when he's scrambling, hes not going to last at all doing that with any regularity, he just doesn’t have the body for it. He doesnt have a body like Elway or even Steve Young. Luck and Wilson can get away with being regular scramblers but Griffen cant and will never be able to. But that’s fine because he can be a HOFer if he stands in the pocket all day like Brady or Manning. [/FONT][/COLOR]

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I hope RG3's dad stays healthy for many many more years, not just until training camp.

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[quote=12thMan;985483]Who's being an MD? Were just stating our opinion. No one's rendered a medical diagnosis from what I've read in any of the threads.[/quote]

MD checking in.


Although it was apparent RGIII was not "right" even from the start of the game, he gave us our best chance to win. He's still one of the best passers in the game without his legs.

I regret nothing about watching our franchise QB who just turned us around from worst to first in a single season trying to win a playoff game for us. He's a true leader and this knee will heal up and we'll be even better next season when we get half of our defense back from injury and hopefully sure up that safety spot, plus some weapons on offense like Davis and hopefully Helu. After a division title and 10-win season, things are still looking up in our future. We had a ton of what should have been devastating injuries to our success and still won 7 straight to win the division and make the playoffs.

I'm more than satisfied with this season. It has been amazing. I have not been this excited about the Redskins since our 1991 season. Next year, we have the potential to be that '91 team, dominating everyone.

I'm fine with the season ending now. Griffin would try everything he could come up with to get on the field if we were playing next week...and I'm glad he won't have to put that knee under any more stress. Time to rest it and let it heal. Robert, we're not disappointed in yesterday's loss, we all thank you for the amazing rookie season you just had. Lets take care of yourself now and do it all again in September. We want you around for as long as possible.

Thanks for the memories, from this season and for years to come.

HTTR!

Everybody is talking about Griff, but nobody is talking about Cousins. You know - the guy we drafted in the fourth round to back up RG-3 in case he gets hurt. The guy who came into what might as well have been another playoff game against Baltimore, cold off the bench, and saved the day. The guy who went on the road and lit up the Browns in what would be considered another must win. Yet for some reason, wasnt good enough last nite, against what appeared to be a terribly unprepared defense and a 14 point cushion? Was KC late for a meeting or something? Spare me every bit of either of them claiming Griff gives them the better option. To say that the Griff after that td pass to Paulsen is better than KC is a complete insult to KC. Again if Joe Webb or Jon Beck is our backup - oh well. That situation last nite was taylor made for showing why we drafted not one, but two qb's in the draft. Will never, ever understand why KC didnt get in.