Re: Lost Some Faith In Shanahan
 

[quote=SmootSmack;986454]How do you lose faith in someone you didn't have faith in to begin with (no, I'm not letting you forget your "let's be realistic the Redskins are going to lose every game they need to down the stretch" post)

I don't think Shanahan did anything with the intent of jeopardizing his franchise QB's career. Stupid to say he doesn't care about people. Very stupid.

That said, I think the mistake he made was not benching a QB who was ineffective and struggling if even just for a drive or two. I can't totally understand the difficulty in doing that though[/quote]


Excuse me for being a realist and not a homer. Maybe you're referring the thread i started about predictions on the Pittsburg Steelers game and i just made some objective observations? Call it negative in tone about the team or whatever, i was just stating how i saw things realistically. Did you predict this team to go 10-6 in the beginning of the season? I highly doubt it just like everyone else. So if you would have predicted 8-8, you should have been looked at as a pessimist? So why do i get tarred and feathered (mostly by you on this board) for stating my opinion?

Stupid to say he doesn't care about people? Perhaps you know Shanahan personally and have family dinners at his house. All I'm just going by is his track record and first hand accounts of what happened in Denver of him putting a players health aside to win a game. Oh yeah, and what i witnessed on the 2nd row behind the Redskins bench this past Sunday.

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[quote=milellie111;986491]You post this, yet you post nothing constructive to the conversation?[/quote]

The conversation was ongoing in several threads. This thread, imo, added nothing, that hasn't been said or couldn't have been said within the confines of several other threads. And I have stated my belief that, although he made a wrong decision this time, Shanahan offers a clear and solid HC for the Skins now and going forward. (a shift from my original position when he was hired)

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[quote=GMScud;986504]Yes, but he was ineffective because he knee was hanging by a thread. Everyone saw it. Benching him keeps him out of harms way AND gives us the best chance to win. It's not like he was 100% healthy and just having an off day. If that was the case, of course you don't take him out.[/quote]


Exactly GMScud. Exactly!

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I'm not upset he stayed in the game while injured I'm upset he left him in the game based off his performance after twisting his knee.

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[quote=milellie111;986489]What in the world are you talking about?

[URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/playbook/48614-wow-this-place-is-active.html"]http://www.thewarpath.net/playbook/48614-wow-this-place-is-active.html[/URL]


[URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/playbook/48133-this-place-is-refreshing.html"]http://www.thewarpath.net/playbook/48133-this-place-is-refreshing.html[/URL][/quote]

You're proving our point. These were fluff posts when you were new here and were fawning over the Warpath.

Your substantive stuff has been predominantly negative, and, much of the time flat out wrong. (you know what post) I mean really, really, epically wrong.

That's what we're talking about.

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[quote=Chico23231;986443]The biggest reason for the season turnaround and march into the playoffs was Mike Shanahan. Should he pulled him, yes, but im not gonna fault him based on what RG3 said. It wasnt malicious.[/quote]Agreed on this 110% percent.

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Look, we're all upset with the whole Griffin-Shanahan kneegate fiasco.

But MS is a proven coach. MS has won super bowls and knows what it takes. MS whether he meant to do it or not, got this team from being a joke to being a playoff team. Yes, he is arrogant, yes 1 out of every 4 of his decisions will backfire on him, but he is getting us on the right track.

It sucks we have to learn this the hard way with knee injuries and who should be told what to and not to do, but now we know for the future.

Re: Lost Some Faith In Shanahan
 

[quote=milellie111;986505]Excuse me for being a realist and not a homer. Maybe you're referring the thread i started about predictions on the Pittsburg Steelers game and i just made some objective observations? Call it negative in tone about the team or whatever, i was just stating how i saw things realistically. Did you predict this team to go 10-6 in the beginning of the season? I highly doubt it just like everyone else. So if you would have predicted 8-8, you should have been looked at as a pessimist? So why do i get tarred and feathered (mostly by you on this board) for stating my opinion?

Stupid to say he doesn't care about people? Perhaps you know Shanahan personally and have family dinners at his house. All I'm just going by is his track record and first hand accounts of what happened in Denver of him putting a players health aside to win a game. [B]Oh yeah, and what i witnessed on the 2nd row behind the Redskins bench this past Sunday[/B].[/quote]


Dude your the reason RG3 was injuried! I heard Danny Boy call down to Shanny and say "our dream seat experience is not meeting Millie Vanillie's expectations, keep RG3 in to win this game." So while you were drowning in bordem, lack of comfort and shitty hotdogs RG3 is literrally fighting his guts out trying to win the game for u! Selfish bitch and does Danny know you only paid $285 a piece for them?

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[quote=Mattyk;986456]There's plenty of blame to go around. Coaches, doctors, RG3 himself.

People want this to be black & white and it's clearly not.

[B]And frankly the witch hunt/blame game doesn't solve anything.[/B][/quote]

Bingo.

I'll be curious to see how many people in this forum got on Cutler's case when he was taken out of a game last year b/c he was hurt. I can't remember exactly, but I think it may have been a playoffs game or something late in the season.

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[quote=Mattyk;986450]I would have taken him out too but now that we've had some time to reflect I think the criticism Shanahan is taking is a little unwarranted.

We don't know all the facts as far as what was going on down on the sidelines or what info he had, or didn't have.

RG3 isn't the first guy in sports history to play hurt. Plenty of guys have been lauded for their courage for playing hurt or sick. And I expect if he somehow pulled that game out he'd be a hero for it. Since we lost it's easier to label it as a bad decision.

It's funny all week anytime I've heard an ex-player talk about it, most have supported the decision to keep him in the game, while those in the media that aren't ex-players are saying it was a bad move.[/quote] It's all gonna be decided in hindsight. If there's nothing seriously wrong with Robert's leg, then it was the right call. If it is a career ender, then it was the wrong call.

Obviously it's not going to be a career ender. He's going to play football again, though everything I'm hearing and reading is suggesting he won't be QBing for the 'Skins again until mid-2013-season at best, summer 2014 at worse.

If I'm Snyder, tho', I might want to have a quiet word with my coach, and talk to him about the advisability of risking my property's value without some reasonable process in place to provide some perspective on such decisions. Surely we can do better than, "Hey, you OK?" when deciding a young man's fate and the future of one of the most valuable sports franchises in the world.

Myself, I'm cautious fellow. I think that after you're two TDs up with Robert, I would have thought back to game 7 in the 1970 NBA playoffs. Willis Reed, the Knicks starting center, playing with a badly injured knee, limped onto the court and hit his first two shots. Then he sat down, having inspired the team and the crowd. The Knicks beat the Lakers by 15.

Maybe you sit Robert down for a while up 14-zip after one quarter. 'Cause after that, he pretty much stunk up the joint. Understandably, but still...

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[quote=milellie111;986505]Excuse me for being a realist and not a homer. Maybe you're referring the thread i started about predictions on the Pittsburg Steelers game and i just made some objective observations? Call it negative in tone about the team or whatever, i was just stating how i saw things realistically. Did you predict this team to go 10-6 in the beginning of the season? I highly doubt it just like everyone else. So if you would have predicted 8-8, you should have been looked at as a pessimist? [B]So why do i get tarred and feathered (mostly by you on this board) for stating my opinion? [/B]

Stupid to say he doesn't care about people? Perhaps you know Shanahan personally and have family dinners at his house. All I'm just going by is his track record and first hand accounts of what happened in Denver of him putting a players health aside to win a game. Oh yeah, and what i witnessed on the 2nd row behind the Redskins bench this past Sunday.[/quote]
One partial reason, and I could be speaking only from my bias, is that rather than joining in discussions (ie replying to ongoing threads) you start a new thread that is a rehash of what others are already talking about. So then you simply spawn a thread which is a re-tread, and ultimately inane. But hey, don't worry about the other posts already discussing a topic, knock yourself out, and let us know the wisdom that comes from the fount of milellie11

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[quote=Ruhskins;986516]Bingo.

I'll be curious to see how many people in this forum got on Cutler's case when he was taken out of a game last year b/c he was hurt. I can't remember exactly, but I think it may have been a playoffs game or something late in the season.[/quote]

Yeah forgot about that one, Cutler got ripped a new one for not toughing out his knee injury.

Re: Lost Some Faith In Shanahan
 

[quote=SmootSmack;986464]Great, a thread started by Milellie with a response from The Goat. This is my hell[/quote]

Been meaning to ask what you've heard out of Denver since Shanahan's departure? Somewhere you said people think Mike's the nicest guy in football, and though I didn't want to get in a pissing match in the midst of our winning streak it's been on my mind ever since. One of my relatives in Denver who spends time with folks from the Broncos FO has told me Elway privately speaks about his dislike of Shanahan as a person, leader etc. Going along those lines it certainly seems like Mike has left a whole string of burnt bridges in his career.

Your thoughts?

Re: Lost Some Faith In Shanahan
 

[quote=Mattyk;986523]Yeah forgot about that one, Cutler got ripped a new one for not toughing out his knee injury.[/quote]

A torn MCL if I remember.

Re: Lost Some Faith In Shanahan
 

[quote=SCRedskinsFan;986511]You're proving our point. These were fluff posts when you were new here and were fawning over the Warpath.

Your substantive stuff has been predominantly negative, and, much of the time flat out wrong. (you know what post) I mean really, really, epically wrong.

That's what we're talking about.[/quote]

Most of my posts and threads started lead to some substantial conversation and i don't insult anyone on here or belittle their opinions.

You on the other hand seem to be focused with bullying, making snide sarcastic remarks as if you are an arrogant know it all. Sorry, but i don't think that you have any clearance to judge my posts or threads. Here are some of your posts and "Excellent" contributions you've made on this forum:


[I][COLOR="Red"]"Actually most of us kinda like you here just as we like Giantone.

But not posting most of the season and showing up after a heartbreak loss is at least bad timing and maybe a lot more. If you're back, stay engaged, at least a little bit, if not, stay away. Your choice STJ... "[/COLOR][/I]



[I][COLOR="red"]You're thinking waayyy too much. Between Griffin and Shanahan we won the NFC East. Stop there, and be very, very careful with the "boy" reference... [/COLOR][/I]



[I][COLOR="red"]Stop with this ACL crap already! You don't know sh**!!!! [/COLOR][/I]



[COLOR="red"][I]Speaking of d*****bags. Hello. [/I][/COLOR]



[COLOR="red"][I]You're a piece of work. If this is sarcasm it's brilliant. [/I][/COLOR]



[COLOR="red"][I]You can keep saying it, but you won't sound any smarter. Lol [/I][/COLOR]

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;986529]A torn MCL if I remember.[/quote]

yup, what a pussy

Re: Lost Some Faith In Shanahan
 

[quote=The Goat;986525]Been meaning to ask what you've heard out of Denver since Shanahan's departure? Somewhere you said people think Mike's the nicest guy in football, and though I didn't want to get in a pissing match in the midst of our winning streak it's been on my mind ever since. One of my relatives in Denver who spends time with folks from the Broncos FO has told me Elway privately speaks about his dislike of Shanahan as a person, leader etc. Going along those lines it certainly seems like Mike has left a whole string of burnt bridges in his career.

Your thoughts?[/quote]

You want to get into he said, she said? I don't talk specifically to the guys in Denver (maybe Schlereth is the exception) and I've never spoken to anyone in Denver.

I thought Mike Shanahan was an ass (my distant impression of him, not based on any personal interaction) and figured we'd have the anti-Gibbs in terms of personality, caring for his staff, etc.

From what I've heard it's quite the opposite actually. He's no Gibbs (who is) but let's not kid ourselves, you have your idea of who he is and unless I personally introduce you to him and have you sit down and spend time with him, you're not going to change your mind

Re: Lost Some Faith In Shanahan
 

[quote=Ruhskins;986516]Bingo.

I'll be curious to see how many people in this forum got on Cutler's case when he was taken out of a game last year b/c he was hurt. I can't remember exactly, but I think it may have been a playoffs game or something late in the season.[/quote]

It was the NFC CHAMPIONSHIP.

Can anyone here picture RG riding a bike on the sidelines in any game, let alone the NFC Championship??

Re: Lost Some Faith In Shanahan
 

[quote=GMScud;986504]Yes, but he was ineffective because he knee was hanging by a thread. Everyone saw it. Benching him keeps him out of harms way AND gives us the best chance to win. It's not like he was 100% healthy and just having an off day. If that was the case, of course you don't take him out.[/quote]

You're combining two arguments that, in my mind, are competely seperate.

From a health perspective, I dont think RGIII should have played to begin with. He should have been inactive. However, since Shanahan decided to start him, at that point, you stick with him just like you would if he were 100% healthy. You only remove him if an injury that prevents him from playing.

Re: Lost Some Faith In Shanahan
 

[quote=The Goat;986525]Been meaning to ask what you've heard out of Denver since Shanahan's departure? Somewhere you said people think Mike's the nicest guy in football, and though I didn't want to get in a pissing match in the midst of our winning streak it's been on my mind ever since. One of my relatives in Denver who spends time with folks from the Broncos FO has told me Elway privately speaks about his dislike of Shanahan as a person, leader etc. Going along those lines it certainly seems like Mike has left a whole string of burnt bridges in his career.

Your thoughts?[/quote]


Why listen or worry about what Elway said? SmootSmack told me my opinion of Shanhan was "stupid" of me to think that he doesn't care about his players health. Obviously SmootSmack knows Shanahan better than Elway does.

Re: Lost Some Faith In Shanahan
 

[quote=Ruhskins;986516]Bingo.

I'll be curious to see how many people in this forum got on Cutler's case when he was taken out of a game last year b/c he was hurt. I can't remember exactly, but I think it may have been a playoffs game or something late in the season.[/quote]

By the same token, how many people would be slamming Shanahan if he had benched Griffin, and Cousins had lost us the game. RGIII would be whining about being benched, saying he wanted to stay in the game to win it for the team, but he had to do what coach said. Then Shanahan's getting slammed for creating a quarterback controversy.

Re: Lost Some Faith In Shanahan
 

How do you add people to your ignore list? Can someone tell me, please?

Re: Lost Some Faith In Shanahan
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;986534]You're combining two arguments that, in my mind, are competely seperate.

From a health perspective, I dont think RGIII should have played to begin with. He should have been inactive. However, since Shanahan decided to start him, at that point, you stick with him just like you would if he were 100% healthy. You only remove him if an injury that prevents him from playing.[/quote]


??
Both of those arguments are related to each other. It is simple. RG3 could not run, neither could he plant his feet to make effective throws because he WAS NOT healthy. His inefectiveness was due to him being injured.

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Twice (that I saw) during playing time Griffin left the side lines to go into the stadium for evaluation and came back out. I would assume he under went another evaluation during half time. He came back onto the field of play. In my mind he was either cleared to play, which could mean a number of things, or he was not cleared and he or Shanny or both took the initiative to continue playing. Unfortunately we don't have and may not have for a while all of the information.

Re: Lost Some Faith In Shanahan
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;986534]You're combining two arguments that, in my mind, are competely seperate.

From a health perspective, I dont think RGIII should have played to begin with. He should have been inactive. However, since Shanahan decided to start him, at that point, you stick with him just like you would if he were 100% healthy. [B]You only remove him if an injury that prevents him from playing[/B].[/quote]

Well, essentially the injury was preventing him from playing. It wasn't preventing him from taking the field, but after the 1st quarter it was preventing him from doing anything close to resembling effective QB play. At that point he should have been yanked.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;986519]One partial reason, and I could be speaking only from my bias, is that rather than joining in discussions (ie replying to ongoing threads) you start a new thread that is a rehash of what others are already talking about. So then you simply spawn a thread which is a re-tread, and ultimately inane. But hey, don't worry about the other posts already discussing a topic, knock yourself out, and let us know the wisdom that comes from the fount of milellie11[/quote]

Yes!

Mil- You rarely participate in any active discussions, but rather starts your own "look at me" threads that are often not necessary

You deserve grief for your "realistic" post because it was filled with so much flawed analysis.

You need to participate more in the active forums. Because right now most people see that you've started a new thread and-even if it's a legit discussion like this one-think "crap, here we go again. Another milellie thread"

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[quote=SmootSmack;986532]You want to get into he said, she said? I don't talk specifically to the guys in Denver (maybe Schlereth is the exception) and I've never spoken to anyone in Denver.

I thought Mike Shanahan was an ass (my distant impression of him, not based on any personal interaction) and figured we'd have the anti-Gibbs in terms of personality, caring for his staff, etc.

From what I've heard it's quite the opposite actually. He's no Gibbs (who is) but let's not kid ourselves, you have your idea of who he is and unless I personally introduce you to him and have you sit down and spend time with him, you're not going to change your mind[/quote]

To be fair I've heard Elway is an arrogant SOB too, though it sounds like EVERYBODY there is bought in to his leadership lock stock and barrel. Looking at the current landscape, he's very likely to get another SB ring too.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;986538]By the same token, how many people would be slamming Shanahan if he had benched Griffin, and Cousins had lost us the game. RGIII would be whining about being benched, saying he wanted to stay in the game to win it for the team, but he had to do what coach said. Then Shanahan's getting slammed for creating a quarterback controversy.[/quote]Yep.

For Gaea's sake, people, this isn't black and white. From everything that's come to light, it's apparent Robert shares some blame, however small, in all of this, too. Blame his warrior spirit, as I am doing because he is FEARLESS, but he does have fault here.

Re: Lost Some Faith In Shanahan
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;986538]By the same token, how many people would be slamming Shanahan if he had benched Griffin, and Cousins had lost us the game. RGIII would be whining about being benched, saying he wanted to stay in the game to win it for the team, but he had to do what coach said. Then Shanahan's getting slammed for creating a quarterback controversy.[/quote]

That's what you do as a leader, take the heat for making the right call.

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[quote=SmootSmack;986544]Yes!

Mil- You rarely participate in any active discussions, but rather starts your own "look at me" threads that are often not necessary

You deserve grief for your "realistic" post because it was filled with so much flawed analysis.

You need to participate more in the active forums. Because right now most people see that you've started a new thread and-even if it's a legit discussion like this one-think "crap, here we go again. Another milellie thread"[/quote]

Word.

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[quote=The Goat;986545]To be fair I've heard Elway is an arrogant SOB too, though it sounds like EVERYBODY there is bought in to his leadership lock stock and barrel. Looking at the current landscape, he's very likely to get another SB ring too.[/quote]

I doubt there is a bad word ever uttered about Elway there. Probably a city ordanance against it.

Re: Lost Some Faith In Shanahan
 

[quote=The Goat;986545]To be fair I've heard Elway is an arrogant SOB too, though it sounds like EVERYBODY there is bought in to his leadership lock stock and barrel. Looking at the current landscape, he's very likely to get another SB ring too.[/quote]

Yeah I was just gonna say I've heard some no so great things about Elway. Plus I bumped into him at the HOF in 2008 and he blew off everyone who was asking him for an autograph and kinda came off like a jerk.

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[quote=The Goat;986547]That's what you do as a leader, take the heat for making the right call.[/quote]
Sometimes leaders make wrong decisions, and they take heat for that too.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;986554]Sometimes leaders make wrong decisions, and they take heat for that too.[/quote]Bingo.

Which he has all but said it was.

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Most shocking to me was that they continued to call running plays or even giving him tge option to run it himself

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[quote=milellie111;986537]Why listen or worry about what Elway said? SmootSmack told me my opinion of Shanhan was "stupid" of me to think that he doesn't care about his players health. Obviously SmootSmack knows Shanahan better than Elway does.[/quote]

First, i give anything Smoot says credibility over anything Goat hears his relative say he heard insiders say that Elways privately says.

Do you even understand the sentence i wrote? Its confusing, because there are so many people involved i nthe chain of communication. Your taking unsubstantied 5th hand information as fact. Beyond that, youre correlating Elway's not being fond of Shanahan as a person with his not caring about his players. Thats like saying, if you dont like a guy for personal reason, that means he doesnt care about his family. Youre twisting Goats comments to support your own twisted view of Shanahan. Goat has enough crazy opinions of his own, he doesnt need your help.

Lets say, for a moment, that nothing got lost in translation in the string of people between Elway and Goat. Lets say Elway really doesnt like Shanahan. For everyone that's worked with/played for Shanahan that doesnt like him, i garantee youll find 10 more that do. Either there is a vast conspiracy between formal coaches, players, and members of the media to lie and say great things about Shanahan, or Shanahan is just like every other human being.... some people like you, some people dont. You can't please everyone.

Finally, if you go all the way back to last offseason, and you go through every media report, Snyder, Allen, Mike, and Kyle were all IN LOVE with RGIII. They loved everything about him - both as a player and as a person. But all of a sudden you think Shanahan doesnt care about Griffin? You are right to question Shanahan's decision - everyone is. I personally think the Skins horribly mismanaged his injury. But to question Shanahan's motivations - to say he doesnt care about his players - its not true. And its out of line.

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[quote=Mattyk;986450]I would have taken him out too but now that we've had some time to reflect I think the criticism Shanahan is taking is a little unwarranted.

We don't know all the facts as far as what was going on down on the sidelines or what info he had, or didn't have.

RG3 isn't the first guy in sports history to play hurt. Plenty of guys have been lauded for their courage for playing hurt or sick. And I expect if he somehow pulled that game out he'd be a hero for it. Since we lost it's easier to label it as a bad decision.

[B][I]It's funny all week anytime I've heard an ex-player talk about it, most have supported the decision to keep him in the game, while those in the media that aren't ex-players are saying it was a bad move.[/I][/B][/quote]

That is true,and that is exactly why it shouldnt be left up to the player,the coach should no better.
I was listening to the radio yesterday skipping from channel to channel,turned on the nfl channel on Sirius,they were discussing the situation.{I wish like hell I knew who was talking but I dont}
Former player was talking,saying he was in similar situation.He admitted to playing hurt,said "was I the best man to help us win that day,NO,but I was what got us there and I deserved to be in there"
I was flabbergasted and couldnt believe he would admit to that,that should tell you all you need to know about players,most are selfish

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[quote=Ruhskins;986516]Bingo.

I'll be curious to see how many people in this forum got on Cutler's case when he was taken out of a game last year b/c he was hurt. I can't remember exactly, but I think it may have been a playoffs game or something late in the season.[/quote]

I was not one of them. I also didn't blame Leslie Frazier for their loss Saturday when he pulled Ponder prior to the game. Injuries happen. There is absolutely no shame in pulling a player due to it. Now, if the guy is playing effectively while hurt, that's one thing. If he's not, it's entirely a different matter.

I have to say that guys like Mark Schlereth piss me off when it comes to players playing with injuries. He was one of those clowns ripping Jay Cutler, and one of those guys saying play RGIII. That's easy for him to say, he has no investment in it. He doesn't have to worry about the next season. I doubt he played with very serious injuries, or any that caused him to be about 40% effective. I guess Mark thinks they should go out there after suffering concussions as well. Hey, that's what a tough guy like Mark would do!

The days of machismo should be over. Sure you play with pain, sure you might even play injured, but there are times where it's simply smarter (for the long and short run) to sit out.

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[quote=SmootSmack;986544]Yes!

Mil- You rarely participate in any active discussions, but rather starts your own "look at me" threads that are often not necessary

You deserve grief for your "realistic" post because it was filled with so much flawed analysis.

You need to participate more in the active forums. Because right now most people see that you've started a new thread and-even if it's a legit discussion like this one-think "crap, here we go again. Another milellie thread"[/quote]


Trust me, i am not trying to clutter the board. I honestly didn't see any other threads that related to what i posted about this injury and Mike Shanhans previous track history in Denver with players injuries. I'm not trying to be a know it all or post "look at me" threads.

Realistically, everyone's analysis are flawed. Even Sports commentators who get paid big bucks to give their opinons. Some folks side with Stephen A Smith, some side with Skip Bayless, some think their both idiots. Who's right and who's wrong? At the end of the day, they are just opinions.

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[quote=The Goat]
Been meaning to ask what you've heard out of Denver since Shanahan's departure? Somewhere you said people think Mike's the nicest guy in football, and though I didn't want to get in a pissing match in the midst of our winning streak it's been on my mind ever since. One of my relatives in Denver who spends time with folks from the Broncos FO has told me Elway privately speaks about his dislike of Shanahan as a person, leader etc. Going along those lines it certainly seems like Mike has left a whole string of burnt bridges in his career.

Your thoughts?[/quote]

Clearly Elway hated the man:

[quote]Question: You got the two Super Bowls, but did your relationship with Mike ever get contentious? Did you ever have moments where you guys butted heads?

Elway: I think that's always the case with quarterbacks and coaches. I butted heads with Dan Reeves. Mike and I butted heads every once in a while, but we were always able to solve it. I think that's part of the deal, especially with quarterbacks, especially with veteran quarterbacks. They feel like they know the right way sometimes, and they're gonna butt heads. But we were always able to get through it. I knew Mike for so long and had such great respect for him that we always figured it out. He was good on both sides. He was give and take, also. But he's a tough guy and that's what makes him a good coach. I was lucky to have him in Denver and be able to play the four years I got to play with him as the head coach.[/quote]

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/donovan-mcnabb/john-elway-mike-shanahan-will.html]Redskins Insider - John Elway: Mike Shanahan will turn it around in DC[/url]

And just as clearly, Shanahan returned the hate tenfold:

[quote]Shanahan said he was confident Elway -- the Hall of Fame QB who won two Super Bowls with Shanahan in Denver -- would find success in the job.

"John is a very bright guy, real smart. I think just having John in the building will help tremendously because of his knowledge of players, just being around the game as long as he has," Shanahan said, via the Washington Post.[/quote]

[url=http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2011/01/mike-shanahan-john-elway-will-do-well-as-broncos-boxx/1#.UOyJbI4o75o]Mike Shanahan: John Elway will do well as Broncos' boss[/url]

Show me someone, anyone, anywhere ... any link, any quote, that backs up what you say your friends are saying that Elway is saying "privately".

I expect to hear the sound of crickets chirping from The Butt Head. (Not a personal attack, just an synonymous pseudonym for the quoted poster).