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[quote=Mattyk;986974]Eh?

His knee was already compromised, didn't take much to injure it further. A brace does little to prevent injury... it's just there to provide support to a weak joint.[/quote]

True but I doubt Shanny made this decision alone. I'm sure the medical staff was consulted and told Shanny the risks/rewards of wearing the knee brace.

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[quote=Mattyk;986973]SS can probably address this in more depth, but I assure you it's not Goodell.

I believe there is a committee that works on it.[/quote]

Everyone knows that's what Santa's elves do one they're done with Xmas.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;986947]I think he'll rush back and be starting week 1. That's just how he is, hopefully he will be OK for the rest of his career. I really hope he's not the next grant hill of the NFL[/quote]

There'll be no way to keep him off the field if he says he's OK and the doc says he's OK, and he's moving like RG moves normally...

If Kirk plays lights out in pre-season MS will have a real problem on his hand with RG when the season starts. No way does RG sit if healthy and "fully healed". And who decides what "fully healed" means? Well, you gotta start with the Doc, right behind him RG. If those two agree MS has very little choice.

It all has the makings of wonderful drama come August/September for all of us...

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We are now on scheduling conspiracies? Man ive seen some amazing stuff on this board since the injury, never been this crazy.

People, its football. Guys get hurt all the time. Im thoroughly exhasted from the 1)blame game 2) injury speculation in the assumptions room and now 3)Time tables.

Let's let this play out, and please note, the Kurt Cousins pick is another feather in the genius cap of the FO. Im sure we already have a plan and I got faith, regardless of the RG3 injury, we will remain competitive in our division.

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[B]Update 10:57:[/B] While conducting surgery to repair the torn lateral collateral ligament in Robert Griffin III’s right knee, Dr. James Andrews found that the quarterback’s anterior cruciate ligament is in relatively good condition. But a person with knowledge of the situation said the ligament “needs to be stronger.”

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2013/01/09/robert-griffin-iii-surgery-is-at-7-a-m/]Robert Griffin III surgery is underway [updated][/url]

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[quote=Mattyk;986974]Eh?

His knee was already compromised, didn't take much to injure it further. A brace does little to prevent injury... it's just there to provide support to a weak joint.[/quote]

Exactly, and if it slides out of place, it cant provide the support. If it cant provide support, and you put your weight on it, twist it, etc., youre more likely to injure it. When Griffin left the game the first time (didnt miss any plays) and went into that horribly tacky looking plywood shack, it was to put his brace back on properly because it had slipped out of place. When he came back in, he was limping 10 times worse than he was before. Seems to me the brace falling out of place, allowed his knee to move in ways it wasnt healthy enough for, resulting in his injury, but thats just the assumption i made.

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get well griff, come back stronger, we know you're hungry.

His dad said the AcL wasn't as bad and that they just did they surgery anyway. I guess he's trying to say it wasn't torn all the way? Either way I'm done w the RGIII knee lol.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;986986]Exactly, and if it slides out of place, it cant provide the support. If it cant provide support, and you put your weight on it, twist it, etc., youre more likely to injure it. When Griffin left the game the first time (didnt miss any plays) and went into that horribly tacky looking plywood shack, it was to put his brace back on properly because it had slipped out of place. When he came back in, he was limping 10 times worse than he was before. Seems to me the brace falling out of place, allowed his knee to move in ways it wasnt healthy enough for, resulting in his injury, but thats just the assumption i made.[/quote]

Why do you think it slid out of place?

I would bet that thing was on tighter than a drum, and probably heavily taped up underneath as well.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;986966]Then who makes up the schedule, Mr. Paintrain?[/quote]

[quote=Mattyk;986973]SS can probably address this in more depth, but I assure you it's not Goodell.

I believe there is a committee that works on it.[/quote]

SS used to work on the schedule. There are alot of posts in a thread earlier this year where he shares some insights, but here are some highlights:

[URL="http://http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/47445-2012-redskins-schedule-released-today-9.html#post909977"]http://http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/47445-2012-redskins-schedule-released-today-9.html#post909977[/URL]

[quote=SmootSmack;909995]It's a beast of a job. Working on scheduling was one of my most demanding, yet satisfying jobs ever [/quote]

[quote]Yeah ESPN will build out multiple scenarios/schedules. Taking into account various factors.

There is a lot of back and forth with ESPN and the league (and indirectly the other networks). For example, let's say the NFL tells NBC we want that Bucanneers vs. Falcons game in early October because ESPN working on renewing a deal with the cable affiliate in Tampa and we want to apply some pressure marketing and heavy advertising in October, then the NFL will come back to ESPN and say "that Ravens game you wanted in November, NBC wants that now in exchange for giving you the Tampa game."

Or Fox could say we've got no room on the schedule for a 1pm Dolphins game and Miami doesn't want it at 4pm because the Heat are already playing at home and traffic would be a mess, so the NFL puts them on the road that week and so on.

Ultimately, it's what the NFL wants to do. But there is a lot of back and forth negotiating.

There are also contractual obligations regarding prime time games. Some that are known, like max number of prime time games for each team. Others that are not as well known, such as geographic obligations.
[/quote]


[quote]From ESPN's end, there are no computer simulated scenarios. It's all people operated.

And yes, 100+ game seasons are insane. Tennis is particularly difficult.

At ESPN in particular, there are specific teams of people assigned to various sports as well as news and info.

So everybody will work on their own schedules and casually interact with other sport teams.

Then every Tuesday morning, we'd have a free for all meeting. Well not a free for all per se, but it can get intense. "I have to schedule an NBA doubleheader this Friday. But I have to put a NASCAR race on ESPN2 at 9pm. But PBA bought 2 hours of time for a bowling tournament. But I have to get 18 hours of tennis programming in this week and 55% has to be on ESPN or ESPN2. But we're expecting the NFL to make their announcement this Friday night so we have to be prepared to go all night with SportsCenter. And so on.

Lot of "fun" to work through all the scenarios.[/quote]

In the thread, SS linked to this interesting article that goes into more detail. Its a really interesting read.

[URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/20/sports/nfl-schedule-makers-try-their-best-to-please-everybody.html?_r=2&pagewanted=all&"]http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/20/sports/nfl-schedule-makers-try-their-best-to-please-everybody.html?_r=2&pagewanted=all&[/URL]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;986991]His dad said the AcL wasn't as bad and that they just did they surgery anyway. I guess he's trying to say it wasn't torn all the way? Either way I'm done w the RGIII knee lol.[/quote]

As some reports seem to indicate a partial tear can be worse than a full tear. No guarantee it will heal or get back to 100% at least, and the potential for it to fully tear will always be there. Best to just start from scratch I guess.

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The biggest problem with this development is a repeat of what we saw on the field on Sunday: a fantastic 22 year old star athlete who has a skewed perception of himself as Superman physically capable of super-human feats and a head coach who lacks the guts to force the 22 year old to face reality. I
have no doubt that no matter how the surgery and rehab go, RG3 will declare himself ready for opening day whether that is medically correct or not and no one will have the maturity and guts to tell RG3 to show a reasonable level of caution.

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[quote=Mattyk;986992]Why do you think it slid out of place?

I would bet that thing was on tighter than a drum, and probably heavily taped up underneath as well.[/quote]

One of the sideline reporters (Pam Oliver?) said that's what they were doing during the game. The brace slipped out of place, and they also had to re-tape....

Someone interviewed on the postgame show also mentioned it, but i dont know if they independantly verified or were just repeating what was said during the broadcast

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guys, i've been playing around w various types/sizes of rubber bands. from what i gather, griff is going to be just fine

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[quote=Ohioskins;986995]The biggest problem with this development is a repeat of what we saw on the field on Sunday: a fantastic 22 year old star athlete who has a skewed perception of himself as Superman physically capable of super-human feats and a head coach who lacks the guts to force the 22 year old to face reality. I
have no doubt that no matter how the surgery and rehab go, RG3 will declare himself ready for opening day whether that is medically correct or not and no one will have the maturity and guts to tell RG3 to show a reasonable level of caution.[/quote]

I agree without about RGIII, but not about the coaching staff not having the guts to say no to RGIII in the future. During the post game press conference, Shanahan said something to the effect of his still learning how honest RGIII is when it comes to how he feels. Players will always say they can play, even when they cant. Once a coach works with a player for a while, they learn when the player truly can go and when he is just being tough and trying not to let his teammates down. Shanahan admitted to the fact that he would second guess some of the decisions he made. I'm pretty sure that Shanahan won't take Griffin's words at face value anymore.

Regardless of how quickly RGIII recovers, one positive i see is that Cousins will get most - if not all - of the offseason and preseason work. This should really help him develop and mature as a player so, not only will he be more primed for success as our temporary starter, but whenever he moves into the backup role, he'll be more prepared to come in on a moments notice without missing a beat.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;986966]Then who makes up the schedule, Mr. Paintrain?[/quote]

[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/20/sports/nfl-schedule-makers-try-their-best-to-please-everybody.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0[/url]

There's this awesome free service available to those using the World Wide Web called Google. It allows you to search for information by simply entering a few key words. There are similar services like Bing, Yahoo, etc.

I'm not sure if they've been tested but at first use, they seem to be slightly more accurate than extracting information from your anus.

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is anyone else excited that kirk is going to get so much work in the offseason, preseason, and possibly/probably regular season?

silver lining, a great chance to further develop our backup

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[quote=los panda;987003]is anyone else excited that kirk is going to get so much work in the offseason, preseason, and possibly/probably regular season?

silver lining, a great chance to further develop our backup[/quote]

and increase his value for a potential trade in the future.

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[quote=Paintrain;987004]and increase his value for a potential trade in the future.[/quote]

Not a guarantee he helps himself. If he plays poorly he'll blow it and lose his chance. Not that I'm saying I want that to happen or that it will….

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[quote=SkinzWin;987005]Not a guarantee he helps himself. If he plays poorly he'll blow it and lose his chance. Not that I'm saying I want that to happen or that it will….[/quote]

He played well against the Browns on one week's worth of practice. I think Cousins will be fine next season after going an entire offseason taking snaps as the starter. He's no RG3, but it's not like he's going to straight out suck.

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[quote=SkinzWin;987005]Not a guarantee he helps himself. If he plays poorly he'll blow it and lose his chance. Not that I'm saying I want that to happen or that it will….[/quote]

or to increase his value soooooo much that RGIII becomes the trade bait . . . :-0

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i have complete faith in cousins and am actually kind of excited to see what he does.

not even thinking about the trade value side, focused more on the redskins value side

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[quote=los panda;987010]i have complete faith in cousins and am actually kind of excited to see what he does.

not even thinking about the trade value side, focused more on the redskins value side[/quote]

Yeah and given RG3's situation I think all potential trade talk with KC should just be put on the shelf.

Let's see RG3 make it back healthy first, and stay that way for an entire season or two.

Only when KC is going into the last year of his rookie deal should we even think about a trade.

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[quote=Mattyk;987014]Yeah and given RG3's situation I think all potential trade talk with KC should just be put on the shelf.

Let's see RG3 make it back healthy first, and stay that way for an entire season or two.

Only when KC is going into the last year of his rookie deal should we even think about a trade.[/quote]amen

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/09/rg2-says-rg3s-acl-wasnt-completely-torn-fixed-anyway/]RG2 says RG3′s ACL wasn’t completely torn, fixed anyway | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;987001][B]I agree without about RGIII, but not about the coaching staff not having the guts to say no to RGIII in the future. During the post game press conference, Shanahan said something to the effect of his still learning how honest RGIII is when it comes to how he feels. Players will always say they can play, even when they cant. Once a coach works with a player for a while, they learn when the player truly can go and when he is just being tough and trying not to let his teammates down.[/B] Shanahan admitted to the fact that he would second guess some of the decisions he made. I'm pretty sure that Shanahan won't take Griffin's words at face value anymore. [/quote]Said I was going to stay away, but your increased circumspection today, BHA, has made me have to comment on the above.

Another role played in all of this is young Robert's fearlessness. I think that's a chink in his armor, a flaw - I think he's fearless to a fault. Now the coach knows that.

I don't think it happens again, either.

And if I'm reading between the lines correctly of the things Robert himself has been saying since Sunday on Facebook, I think he is kicking himself, too, and [I][U]maybe[/U][/I] he's wizened up about that.

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He'll be back. They will run the same offense because it's so effective, and he will learn to be more careful like he was when it was hurt.

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Figured they'd do the full ACL once they we're in there--it's obviously a concern. Do what will provide the best long-term prognosis and take the proper amount of time to rehab.

If the skins do not err on the side of caution now, then they truly are nuts. After this brouhaha, I'd be pretty amazed if he's not PUPed, just to be sure. And I am fine with that! Let's get Rak and Freddy back, get Kirk some snaps, and draft/FA well. Then, when HE'S READY, bring RGIII back into a better team. What's the friggin rush???

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Not sure if this was posted, but it is more grim, and I take it, more realistic. From Keim, who I like in general:

[url=http://washingtonexaminer.com/what-rg3-faces-in-recovery/article/2518024#.UO2wEG88CSo]What RG3 faces in recovery: Sports medicine expert Richard Lehman | WashingtonExaminer.com[/url]

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rehabbing in florida

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/09/rg3s-knee-surgery-has-been-completed-plans-to-rehab-in-florida/]RG3′s knee surgery has been completed, plans to rehab in Florida | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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I tore both my ACL and my MCL (complete tears) back in 1967 before there was all of the microsurgery that they have now. Since I was never going to be a star athlete and surgery rehab back in those days could have run 2 years, I never had the reconstructive surgery. Instead, I chose to accept limits on what I could do athletically. Twenty year later I did have to have surgery because all of those loose particles and chips that are discussed in the Lehman article continued to float around in my knee and limit even basic activity. So the stuff Lehman writes about all of the other aspects of the basic joint, beyond the two ligaments themselves are very true. I sincerely hope that the Skins and Griffin are cautious going forward.

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By the way, had this been ACL, MCL, and PCL..would that have been worse?

[QUOTE=Bucket;987030]He'll be back. They will run the same offense because it's so effective, and he will learn to be more careful like he was when it was hurt.[/QUOTE]

Mark S. Was talking about that on M&M this morning. He basically said the NFL will adjust and have to make it legal to lay out the QB because it's not fair to the defense. Basically he said he doubts this offense last much longer

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Not a chance of that happening with the concentration on concussions. QBs are nearly untouchable now and I don't see it swinging 180 degrees.

[QUOTE=Monkeydad;987061]Not a chance of that happening with the concentration on concussions. QBs are nearly untouchable now and I don't see it swinging 180 degrees.[/QUOTE]

That's what I'm thinking to. We'll see I guess

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[quote=ashvirtually;987026][B]Another role played in all of this is young Robert's fearlessness. I think that's a chink in his armor, a flaw - I think he's fearless to a fault[/B].[/quote]

"Pride is a fault! We can work with that!" Mel Gibson - The Patriot

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[quote=Ruhskins;987007]He played well against the Browns on one week's worth of practice. I think Cousins will be fine next season after going an entire offseason taking snaps as the starter. He's no RG3, but it's not like he's going to straight out suck.[/quote]

Just playing devils advocate here, because I don't want this to happen but I'm going to throw out a name here that was in the exact same position. We all know how that ended.

Let me get your thoughts. Kevin Kolb.

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[quote=SkinsGuru;987008]or to increase his value soooooo much that RGIII becomes the trade bait . . . :-0[/quote]

HAHAHA. NO….

[IMG]http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/28100000/mr-chow-the-hangover-2-28112353-245-168.gif[/IMG]

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Per Grant Paulsen: Talked to a renowned surgeon who's operated on countless world-class athletes. Said 6-8 month recovery timetable: realistic, not assured....I found particularly interesting from my convo w/ the renowned doctor: RG3's previous ACL tear won't add time to rehab/recovery.

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[quote=SmootSmack;986914]I'm just going to say right now that I think there's a lot of PR spin behind this announcement and I'd be very surprised to see him on the field before early October.

Hope I'm wrong[/quote]

I don't mind if you are right, if October is when he is 100% that is when he should play, not a moment before that.

That report did seem a bit optimistic to me also.

If we learned anything its that we do not need to RUSH this thing. Just get it done right, no matter the time frame.

Kirk Cousins was drafted for a reason.