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No. :D

But up until RGIII, he was probably the best passing and running combo QB ever. OK, maybe up until Steve Young, but Fran did it in an era where QBs did not play like that. He was the first real dual-threat QB. QBs in that era were all statues in the pocket. Tark ran for about 300 yards a season and 32 career rushing TDs.


Tobin Rote in the 50s was the first real rushing QB threat, but wasn't the passer that Tarkenton was.

[URL="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RoteTo00.htm"]Tobin Rote NFL & AFL Football Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/URL]


Oh...back on track for the thread...you better believe I'm dying a Redskins fan. Even if some PC-assclowns manage to force a name change, I'm still calling the team the Redskins.


Heck, for the same reason, I still like to call the Washington basketball team the Bullets. Wizards is a retarded name...sounds more fitting for some pathetic soccer team.

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[quote=Summo;987304]For this Asshole to suggest that RG3 tore his knee up because of bad karma is a ****ing joke. RG3 didn't name the team, or even pick to play for them. If there is such a thing as karma it wouldn't be bestowed upon him. As far as the team name goes, for selfish reasons I don't want to see it change. I grew up a "Redskins" fan and I hope to die one. I do however feel bad for people who are offended by it and hope there can be some resolution for them if they are sincere. People get too caught up in labels however and if they are truly forward thinkers they wouldn't let it bother them.[/quote]

Exactly! And the mayor of D.C. wanting to force the 'skins to change their name if they want to move back to the district is nothing more than a way for him to garner more votes for his reelection, that's it.

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[quote=skinsguy;987310]Exactly! And the mayor of D.C. wanting to force the 'skins to change their name if they want to move back to the district is nothing more than a way for him to garner more votes for his reelection, that's it.[/quote]

I would think, especially after last season's run, that he would garner more votes by putting on the face like, Hey we want them here but Snyder just isn't moving them right now.

The name thing is just a personal axe to grind, and will cost him as many votes as it gets him.

Although in some political circles you must be PC in order to survive the upper level demagoguery.

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[quote=Summo;987305]I can't comment on that comparison since I never seen Tarkenton play. I have seen a million highlights of him in slow motion, but when I was growing up I remember him from "That's Incredible" and not on the filed. Are you even old enough to have seen him play?[/quote]

I saw Tarkenton play and think that he is not a bad comparison for Gryphon in terms of style: dangerous and quick legs, ability to extend plays to create big opportunities, a deep ball which is both powerful and accurate, and natural leadership. But Griff is better than Tarkenton.

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Of course he's better in terms of ability. Impossible to compare the eras though.

Fran Tarkenton was born in Richmond if anyone cares.

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Since this is a rant thread, i've got one. Now, i've gone on record as saying i dont think Griffin shouldn't have been playing to begin with the past few weeks because of injury he suffered against Baltimore. My position is, and has been, that if he has to play with a brace, he wasnt healthy enough to play...

My question is this - at what point did we all become a bunch of wusses? (i want to use another word, but i think i'd end up offending someone, disclaimer in the thread title or not). Seriously.

Ronnie Lott - he was going to miss start of the season due to a finger injury, so he told the doctors to cut it off - and they did. We dont criticize him, the coaches, or the doctors, but revere him as one of the greatest safeties of all time.

Brett Farve played through just about every injury possible – and he’s considered a hero for it.

Just days before the 2008 AFC Championship game, Phillip Rivers had surgery on his right knee. His right ACL was TOTALLY GONE during the game (he allegedly tore it in the divisional round the week before), and he had to get another surgery after the game that put him out six months. I don’t recall Rivers or Turner taking the kind of crap RGIII and Shanahan are taking now, in an extremely similar situation, so what gives?

For the past month, Dez Bryant played with a fractured finger that many said should have ended his season, but he played through it and no one questions him or Garrett for doing so.

Romo and vick have both worn kevlar jackets because they were playing with broken ribs and/or punctured lungs. Think about that. punctured freaking lungs.

Earlier this year, Jason Witten played with a freaking lacerated spleen – a potentially life threatening injury – had he suffered further damage during the game, and he’s praised for his toughness. It could have freaking KILLED HIM.

Byron Leftwich played the 2nd half of a game with a broken ankle.
T.O. played in a superbowl with a broken ankle
McNabb played with a broken leg.

All these guys are “tough,” but Shanahan and RGIII are stupid and irresponsible? Why now, all of a sudden, have we turned into a bunch of wusses? Or is it just that we’re whiney little b----es that just like to complain?

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;987362]Since this is a rant thread, i've got one. Now, i've gone on record as saying i dont think Griffin shouldn't have been playing to begin with the past few weeks because of injury he suffered against Baltimore. My position is, and has been, that if he has to play with a brace, he wasnt healthy enough to play...

My question is this - at what point did we all become a bunch of wusses? (i want to use another word, but i think i'd end up offending someone, disclaimer in the thread title or not). Seriously.

Ronnie Lott - he was going to miss start of the season due to a finger injury, so he told the doctors to cut it off - and they did. We dont criticize him, the coaches, or the doctors, but revere him as one of the greatest safeties of all time.

Brett Farve played through just about every injury possible – and he’s considered a hero for it.

Just days before the 2008 AFC Championship game, Phillip Rivers had surgery on his right knee. His right ACL was TOTALLY GONE during the game (he allegedly tore it in the divisional round the week before), and he had to get another surgery after the game that put him out six months. I don’t recall Rivers or Turner taking the kind of crap RGIII and Shanahan are taking now, in an extremely similar situation, so what gives?

For the past month, Dez Bryant played with a fractured finger that many said should have ended his season, but he played through it and no one questions him or Garrett for doing so.

Romo and vick have both worn kevlar jackets because they were playing with broken ribs and/or punctured lungs. Think about that. punctured freaking lungs.

Earlier this year, Jason Witten played with a freaking lacerated spleen – a potentially life threatening injury – had he suffered further damage during the game, and he’s praised for his toughness. It could have freaking KILLED HIM.

Byron Leftwich played the 2nd half of a game with a broken ankle.
T.O. played in a superbowl with a broken ankle
McNabb played with a broken leg.

All these guys are “tough,” but Shanahan and RGIII are stupid and irresponsible? Why now, all of a sudden, have we turned into a bunch of wusses? Or is it just that we’re whiney little b----es that just like to complain?[/quote]

And didn't T.O. play on a broken foot or something in the Super Bowl? I thought that RG3 should have sat the Philly game as well and came back for Dallas, would that have made a difference? Who knows.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;987312]I would think, especially after last season's run, that he would garner more votes by putting on the face like, Hey we want them here but Snyder just isn't moving them right now.

The name thing is just a personal axe to grind, and will cost him as many votes as it gets him.

Although in some political circles you must be PC in order to survive the upper level demagoguery.[/quote]

I also see it as a personal axe to grind as well, which is why I hope Snyder decides to either leave the 'skins in Maryland, or move them completely into VA. And like you said, I think it will eventually cost him votes.

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Since this is a rant thread, Ive got one. F*ck you mom for all those times putting jelly on my peanut butter sandwichs. I hatted jelly and told you, but you consistently would forget and put it on. F*ck u jelly, you tasted like shit and brought my mouf to dry heaves on several occasions. POS jelly and your bullsh*t

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[quote=Summo;987363]And didn't T.O. play on a broken foot or something in the Super Bowl? I thought that RG3 should have sat the Philly game as well and came back for Dallas, would that have made a difference? Who knows.[/quote]

I think Kurt Warner hinted as saying pretty much the same thing, but in the end, he supported the idea that you have your leaders/best players in the game, especially with it being a playoff game.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;987362]Since this is a rant thread, i've got one. Now, i've gone on record as saying i dont think Griffin shouldn't have been playing to begin with the past few weeks because of injury he suffered against Baltimore. My position is, and has been, that if he has to play with a brace, he wasnt healthy enough to play...

My question is this - at what point did we all become a bunch of wusses? (i want to use another word, but i think i'd end up offending someone, disclaimer in the thread title or not). Seriously.

Ronnie Lott - he was going to miss start of the season due to a finger injury, so he told the doctors to cut it off - and they did. We dont criticize him, the coaches, or the doctors, but revere him as one of the greatest safeties of all time.

Brett Farve played through just about every injury possible – and he’s considered a hero for it.

Just days before the 2008 AFC Championship game, Phillip Rivers had surgery on his right knee. His right ACL was TOTALLY GONE during the game (he allegedly tore it in the divisional round the week before), and he had to get another surgery after the game that put him out six months. I don’t recall Rivers or Turner taking the kind of crap RGIII and Shanahan are taking now, in an extremely similar situation, so what gives?

For the past month, Dez Bryant played with a fractured finger that many said should have ended his season, but he played through it and no one questions him or Garrett for doing so.

Romo and vick have both worn kevlar jackets because they were playing with broken ribs and/or punctured lungs. Think about that. punctured freaking lungs.

Earlier this year, Jason Witten played with a freaking lacerated spleen – a potentially life threatening injury – had he suffered further damage during the game, and he’s praised for his toughness. It could have freaking KILLED HIM.

Byron Leftwich played the 2nd half of a game with a broken ankle.
T.O. played in a superbowl with a broken ankle
McNabb played with a broken leg.

All these guys are “tough,” but Shanahan and RGIII are stupid and irresponsible? Why now, all of a sudden, have we turned into a bunch of wusses? Or is it just that we’re whiney little b----es that just like to complain?[/quote]

3 things. And this is just me personally.

1 I don't give a shit if those guys play/played hurt or not. Never did.
2 We have never had a QB of this caliber uh....ever. I'd like to keep him around for awhile.
3 He was hurt to the point of being completely ineffective after the first quarter. We have a capable backup who we didn't put in until the end of the 4th quarter and we lost the game.
Bonus - I don't have a wussie bone in my body.

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"When your the lead dog, there's always a target on your back". F@ck the opinions held by disgruntled NFC East fans. F@ck them, and everyone in thier household.....ain't nobody got time for that!

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^ Brilliant post on a fan forum. Didn't you just give your opinion Einstein?

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I'll give my rant. Forgot to tell my builder I want one of those cheap utility sinks in my garage so now I had to put in a change order to get a price. The plummer came back and said it would cost an additional $1,250 to install the sink. The sink only cost $100 so he is saying it cost another $1,150 to run the pluming 10 feet. F&^k You Mr Plummer man. I'll do it myself.

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One of the more annoying aspects of what's to come as a result of the RG3 injury is having to listen to dozens of ill informed, dimwitted, loudmouth "NFL analysts' talk about the injury, his recovery and future implications. For example, Monday I'm driving around and Jonathan Coachman & Hugh Douglas (both of whom fit perfectly into the ill informed, dimwit, loudmouth category) are talking about the RG3 injury. They both said versions of 'as a result of this, he may miss most of the 2013 season and may be injured for his entire career and we will never know what could have been.' Really? It's a f*%#ing knee injury, not a leg amputation! I actually got into a mild back and forth with Douglas on Twitter and he admitted that he gets paid to speculate on those things. So you get paid to spout ill informed, made up bullsh*t, well done.

Then I see later some DC radio talking head said that "just to be safe" the Redskins shouldn't bring him back AT ALL in 2013 and let him be fully healthy in 2014 for the future. That would be 21 months for a 8 month injury. This stuff drives me nuts because I have a very low tolerance threshold for idiots.

I'm going to have to disconnect from all of the offseason stuff regarding the Redskins (free agency, draft, schedule, leading up to training camp) because I can't take listening to people who either don't know what the F they are talking about or those who say things for the sake of speculative conversation.

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[quote=firstdown;987692]I'll give my rant. Forgot to tell my builder I want one of those cheap utility sinks in my garage so now I had to put in a change order to get a price. The plummer came back and said it would cost an additional $1,250 to install the sink. The sink only cost $100 so he is saying it cost another $1,150 to run the pluming 10 feet. F&^k You Mr Plummer man. I'll do it myself.[/quote]what does it involve, i.e. how much work has been done/will have to be redone?

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[quote=Paintrain;987708]One of the more annoying aspects of what's to come as a result of the RG3 injury is having to listen to dozens of ill informed, dimwitted, loudmouth "NFL analysts' talk about the injury, his recovery and future implications. For example, Monday I'm driving around and Jonathan Coachman & Hugh Douglas (both of whom fit perfectly into the ill informed, dimwit, loudmouth category) are talking about the RG3 injury. They both said versions of 'as a result of this, he may miss most of the 2013 season and may be injured for his entire career and we will never know what could have been.' Really? It's a f*%#ing knee injury, not a leg amputation! I actually got into a mild back and forth with Douglas on Twitter and he admitted that he gets paid to speculate on those things. So you get paid to spout ill informed, made up bullsh*t, well done.

Then I see later some DC radio talking head said that "just to be safe" the Redskins shouldn't bring him back AT ALL in 2013 and let him be fully healthy in 2014 for the future. That would be 21 months for a 8 month injury. This stuff drives me nuts because I have a very low tolerance threshold for idiots.

I'm going to have to disconnect from all of the offseason stuff regarding the Redskins (free agency, draft, schedule, leading up to training camp) because I can't take listening to people who either don't know what the F they are talking about or those who say things for the sake of speculative conversation.[/quote]

You would think RG3 was the first player to ever get injured. It's amazing all the hoopla this story has generated. Is there cause for some concern, of course, but some of this stuff is just beyond ridiculous.

The problem is there's people out there that get paid to talk, and they love to stir the pot and create hysteria amongst the masses. No matter when RG3 comes back, there will be those questioning whether it's too early. Facts be damned, shit sells.

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[quote=Mattyk;987734]Facts be damned, shit sells.[/quote]

Wurd

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Is it just me or is it pissing anyone else off that the 49ers are running our offense? I know the connection with Kaepernick and that offense and all, but just thinking what could have been if RG3 was healthy is frustrating as a fan.

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[quote=Summo;988438]Is it just me or is it pissing anyone else off that the 49ers are running our offense? I know the connection with Kaepernick and that offense and all, but just thinking what could have been if RG3 was healthy is frustrating as a fan.[/quote]

Kaepernick was playing better than RGIII ever played this year, even when he was healthy. It was a truly great performance.

I hate to make this comparison, but I see RGIII having a career similar to Vicks - he's electric when he plays, but you always have to worry about his health and availability. Kaepernick and Wilson have similar styles of play, but, so far, have proven a much better ability to avoid injury. Hopefully, RGIII will watch how they avoid hits and learn something.

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[quote=Summo;988438]Is it just me or is it pissing anyone else off that the 49ers are running our offense? I know the connection with Kaepernick and that offense and all, but just thinking what could have been if RG3 was healthy is frustrating as a fan.[/quote]

Not a San Fran fan, but I'm actually happy to see them having success with it. Maybe it will shut those people up who say pistol and zone-read can't be successful

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I wonder if the whole "the scheme is too dangerous for the QB" discussion is the hot topic of the day in San Fran. I bet not.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;988443]Kaepernick was playing better than RGIII ever played this year, even when he was healthy. It was a truly great performance.[/quote]

How soon we forget.

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[quote=SmootSmack;988450]Not a San Fran fan, but I'm actually happy to see them having success with it. Maybe it will shut those people up who say pistol and zone-read can't be successful[/quote]

I agree with that to certain extent. Harbaugh obviously seen the success we had with it and took his opportunity with Kaepernick/Smith situation. Good for him I guess.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;988443]Kaepernick was playing better than RGIII ever played this year, even when he was healthy. It was a truly great performance.

I hate to make this comparison, but I see RGIII having a career similar to Vicks - he's electric when he plays, but you always have to worry about his health and availability. Kaepernick and Wilson have similar styles of play, but, so far, have proven a much better ability to avoid injury. Hopefully, RGIII will watch how they avoid hits and learn something.[/quote]

I don't agree with that at all. I was one game against a defense that has not seen it and was not ready for it. And lest we forget, RG3's two "Big" injuries this season, the concussion and the knee, were on scrambles and not read option plays. Granted he took his fair share of big hits running the read option, but you would think in doing so he would be more prepared then when he is looking down filed while scrambling around.

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[quote=FRPLG;988455]How soon we forget.[/quote]

2 touchdowns. one interception. 181 russing yards. 263 passing yards. 444 total yards. That's 100 more than RGIII has had. I'm not dissing RGIII so much as i'm praising Kaepernick. most running backs go their entire careers without a 180 yard rushing game. It was a historic performance.

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[quote=Summo;988459]I don't agree with that at all. I was one game against a defense that has not seen it and was not ready for it. And lest we forget, RG3's two "Big" injuries this season, the concussion and the knee, [B]were on scrambles and not read option plays.[/B] Granted he took his fair share of big hits running the read option, but you would think in doing so he would be more prepared then when he is looking down filed while scrambling around.[/quote]

What does that have to do with anything? I never criticized the read option. If youve paid attention to my posts, i regulalry say people who criticize it are stupid.

Like RGIII, Kaepernick got most of his yards on scrambles. The two have similar frames (RGIII at 6'2/217 and Kaepernick at 6'4/230) in that they are both kind of lanky looking, which would make them both seem more succeptible to injury (as opposed to guys like Rothlesberger/Newton). pre-injury, RGIII almost seemed to relish running for an extra yard or two and taking a big hit. He takes pride in his "toughness" and, rightly so - he's proven to be ridiculously tough, playing through pain. However, I commend Kaepernick because he avoids alot of hits by sliding. RGIII seemed to get better at this as the season went on, but obviously, at that point the damage had already been done.

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[quote=Summo;988438]Is it just me or is it pissing anyone else off that the 49ers are running our offense? I know the connection with Kaepernick and that offense and all, but just thinking what could have been if RG3 was healthy is frustrating as a fan.[/quote]

I just asked this very same question in the other thread, lol! In a way, I'm a bit jealous, but at the same time, I think it's great that other teams who have similar quarterbacks like RGIII, are able to have success with the option read.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;988477]What does that have to do with anything? I never criticized the read option. If youve paid attention to my posts, i regulalry say people who criticize it are stupid.[/quote]

You compared RG3 to Vick. Vick is a scrambler and has gained most of his yards during his career in doing so with very little designed run plays. Wasn't the 56yd TD run on a read option?

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I am having trouble seeing the controversy in all this. Isn't the answer that RGIII has a somewhat unique skillset (although it appears Wilson and Kapernerck share it and use it to good effect) and that while we need to exploit it, we need to do so in a way that doesn't unnecessarily subject him to punishment? So RGIII needs to do better at recognizing pressure and taking care of himself, and he needs to get stronger in ways that will help against the inevitable hits. And our playcalling needs to strike a balance between using him on designed runs at a time and with execution that will not get him killed with a more traditional offense that is less likely to lead to injury. To be clear, we will have to take some risks with this kind of QB -- it's a classic risk/reward situation. We won't get the full benefit of his speed unless from time to time we let him show it. I believe that there are ways to execute the pistol/read option and pretty much everything else we do that strikes the right balance, and I trust that Kyle will figure it out.

I will add that having Helu back could really help here -- RGIII was, in effect, our change of pace RB to Alfmo, and having an actual RB fulfill that role could be quite helpful. I'd like to see Helu work on being a pass catcher out of the backfield too and for that to become a more prominently featured part of our offense next year. Could give us yet another good option that will freeze opposing LBs, as well as reduce some of the wear and tear on RGIII. And if Helu cannot stay healthy, we need someone to step up and fill that role.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;988465]2 touchdowns. one interception. 181 russing yards. 263 passing yards. 444 total yards. That's 100 more than RGIII has had. I'm not dissing RGIII so much as i'm praising Kaepernick. most running backs go their entire careers without a 180 yard rushing game. It was a historic performance.[/quote]

San Francisco has the best Oline in the NFL and Green Bay has a terrible defense...I think that helps alot.

Healthy RG3 puts those numbers up all day against Green Bay.

Kaepernick is great, RG3 is the better passer.

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Debating RG vs Kaepernick/Wilson outside the context of value is absurd. Even giving RG the slight nod statistically, the fact Harbaugh and PC got their "RGs" in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, without mortgaging their franchise' futures on a single player who is then literally ran into the ground over a single season, makes those players (and more importantly those two coaches) far superior to what we have.

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[quote=The Goat;988549]Debating RG vs Kaepernick/Wilson outside the context of value is absurd. Even giving RG the slight nod statistically, the fact Harbaugh and PC got their "RGs" in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, without mortgaging their franchise' futures on a single player who is then literally ran into the ground over a single season, makes those players (and more importantly those two coaches) far superior to what we have.[/quote]peyton manning: #1 overall pick, 1 super bowl ring < tony romo: undrafted, no rings?

when it's all said and done, if griff has more rings than kaepernick and wilson, are they still the better value?

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[quote=los panda;988550]peyton manning: #1 overall pick, 1 super bowl ring < tony romo: undrafted, no rings?

when it's all said and done, if griff has more rings than kaepernick and wilson, are they still the better value?[/quote]

Of course not. You've got the cart way out in front of the horse though, right?

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[quote=The Goat;988549]Debating RG vs Kaepernick/Wilson outside the context of value is absurd. Even giving RG the slight nod statistically, the fact Harbaugh and PC got their "RGs" in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, without mortgaging their franchise' futures on a single player who is then literally ran into the ground over a single season, makes those players (and more importantly those two coaches) far superior to what we have.[/quote]

Calling Kapernick and Wilson better than RG3 is just flat out ridiculous. Give RG3 those offensive lines and those defenses, good luck even making a comparison. Give either of them our O-line and they would probably be considered prospects at best.

They are both on better teams, but neither is remotely better.

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[quote=The Goat;988553]Of course not. You've got the cart way out in front of the horse though, right?[/quote]just wanted to be clear on how you felt about it

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[quote=Chico23231;988508]San Francisco has the best Oline in the NFL and Green Bay has a terrible defense...I think that helps alot.

Healthy RG3 puts those numbers up all day against Green Bay.

Kaepernick is great, RG3 is the better passer.[/quote]

and if you gave Tom Brady RGIIIs legs and put him behind San Francisco's line and had him playing against a Canadian high school team, he'd put have 1,000 yards of total offense.

RGIII is not healthy, may never be fully healthy for an entire season, and (hopefully) will never play behind the 49ers offensive line. Its fun to imagine what different players would do with different health/teams/circumstances, but its all just speculation. My only real point was that Kaepernick had a phenominal game and has been a healthy quarterback. RGIII has the potential to be one of the greatest players to ever play the game, but style of play, fearlessness with his body, and injury history may prevent him from reaching that potential.

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[quote=Skinzman;988555]Calling Kapernick and Wilson better than RG3 is just flat out ridiculous. Give RG3 those offensive lines and those defenses, good luck even making a comparison. Give either of them our O-line and they would probably be considered prospects at best.

They are both on better teams, but neither is remotely better.[/quote]

Did you feel that fly right over your head?

There's no point comparing the three QBs straight across. It's a team sport. To build a serious contender in the NFL you need to find value every year in the draft and FA. Those franchises have done it. We have not. Period.

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Let's see at the end of their careers who brought the most "value", as in hardware, to their respective teams.

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[quote=Mattyk;988563]Let's see at the end of their careers who brought the most "value", as in hardware, to their respective teams.[/quote]

That will be interesting. Right now, Manning, Brady, and Rodgers are the three that always seem to be compared, even though they started many years apart.

When the season started, all the talk was about how Luck and RG3 would be compared throughout their careers (and rightly so, due to being taken 1-2 in the draft), but in 10 years, the debate could be between all 4 guys - Luck, RG3, Wilson, and Kaepernick.

We really seem to be living in a golden age of quarterbacks. Both Mannings, Brady, Brees, and Rodgers are all 1st ballot hall of famers. Thats five guys. Then we've got 4 new quarterbacks who are all really good. Then you've got the other very good, but not elite, guys like Flacco, Ryan, Rothlisberger, Rivers, Romo. And finally, there's the good young quarterbacks that show promise, like Newton, Stafford, Bradford, and Dalton.

I cant remember a time when there have been this many GOOD quarterbacks in the league at the same time. One thing is for sure - i see no incentive in using a pick in the first 5 rounds of the 2013 fantasy draft on a quarterback.