Re: Darrelle Revis is up for trade per Jets owner
 

[quote=CultBrennan59;990772]The reason why this trade won't happen is because we have no money and really nothing to give up for him.

Revis, Willis, Bowman, Ware, Earl Thomas, JJ Watt, Patrick Peterson, Calvin Johnson, Adrian Peterson, Wake, Von Miller, and Duane Brown are the only players I would consider trading for if they were ever on the trading block[/quote]

So you would not trade for Fitzgerald, Ngata, Graham, Gronk, Jahri Evans, Patrick Peterson, AJ Green, Geno Atkins, Daryl Washington, Kam Chancellor, Calais Campbell, Julio Jones, Joe Thomas, Vince Wilfork, Ray Rice or D'Qwell Jackson?

I just want to make sure I understand which superstar players that the Redskins would never get you would be willing to trade for.

Re: Darrelle Revis is up for trade per Jets owner
 

Revis isn't worth anything to us...we should keep out of trade talks with the N.Y. Jets....

Re: Darrelle Revis is up for trade per Jets owner
 

His value is way down because of the surgery. Give you our second round pick.

Re: Darrelle Revis is up for trade per Jets owner
 

I doubt many teams will give up much with all things considered. He's currently coming off a ACL tear and will be wanting a huge contract extension. I simply don't see teams offering much knowing this upfront.

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simple answer? - No. we can't afford to make moves like this money wise, player wise or pick wise.

Re: Darrelle Revis is up for trade per Jets owner
 

no way he is worth the second round and third rounder they will want, plus, he wants to be paid like a top 5 player in the league. 16 mil plus for a torn ACL three months ago with and ego the size of staten island? No thanks. We can do just as well iin free agency and the draft, and build for the future. Some people have a high risk high price free agent addiction around here.

Re: Darrelle Revis is up for trade per Jets owner
 

The Jets are paying Revis 6MM next year and we're paying Josh Wilson 5.3MM. Somethings wrong with that picture.

Re: Darrelle Revis is up for trade per Jets owner
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;990832]The Jets are paying Revis 6MM next year and we're paying Josh Wilson 5.3MM. Somethings wrong with that picture.[/quote]

how much did they both get paid in the last 2 years? ( I don't know the answer, but I imagine that the answer would correct the focus on your picture)

Re: Darrelle Revis is up for trade per Jets owner
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;990832]The Jets are paying Revis 6MM next year and we're paying Josh Wilson 5.3MM. Somethings wrong with that picture.[/quote]

Nothings wrong with that picture. Revis has gotten paid 32.5 million for the past 2 seasons. His contract was heavily front loaded, now he's balking at the back half. I would make him play out his contract and fine his ass for every single day he missed.

Re: Darrelle Revis is up for trade per Jets owner
 

[url=http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/washington-redskins/josh-wilson/]Josh Wilson Contract, Salaries, and Transactions[/url]
[url=http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-jets/darrelle-revis/]Darrelle Revis Contract, Salaries, and Transactions[/url]

man the internet is amazing about how easy it is to find most pieces of information:
Revis: Base........... Signing....Misc Bonus....Total cap hit
2010 ..7,500,000...783,416....538,000........8,821,416
2011 ..6,000,000...783,416....4,000,000.... 10,783,416
2012 ..4,500,000...783,416....6,220,205.... 11,503,621
2013 ..3,000,000...-..............6,000,000.... 9,000,000
2014 ..3,000,000...-..............3,000,000.... 6,000,000
2015 ..3,000,000...-..............3,000,000.... 6,000,000
2016 ..3,000,000...-..............3,000,000 .... 6,000,000

Wilson:
2011.. 2,000,000... 1,333,333.... -.............. 3,333,333
2012.. 3,400,000... 1,333,333.... 100,000.... 4,833,333
2013.. 3,900,000... 1,333,333.... 100,000.... 5,333,333

It looks like the Jets will be paying him 9M this year not 6. That said I will say this, although I don't see us pursuing Revis, if we were able to pull off a reverse Champ Bailey trade, I would be ok that with that. Problem is I wouldn't know until my hindsight vision kicks in.

Re: Darrelle Revis is up for trade per Jets owner
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;990836][url=http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/washington-redskins/josh-wilson/]Josh Wilson Contract, Salaries, and Transactions[/url]
[url=http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-jets/darrelle-revis/]Darrelle Revis Contract, Salaries, and Transactions[/url]

man the internet is amazing about how easy it is to find most pieces of information:
Revis: Base........... Signing....Misc Bonus....Total cap hit
2010 ..7,500,000...783,416....538,000........8,821,416
2011 ..6,000,000...783,416....4,000,000.... 10,783,416
2012 ..4,500,000...783,416....6,220,205.... 11,503,621
2013 ..3,000,000...-..............6,000,000.... 9,000,000
2014 ..3,000,000...-..............3,000,000.... 6,000,000
2015 ..3,000,000...-..............3,000,000.... 6,000,000
2016 ..3,000,000...-..............3,000,000 .... 6,000,000

Wilson:
2011.. 2,000,000... 1,333,333.... -.............. 3,333,333
2012.. 3,400,000... 1,333,333.... 100,000.... 4,833,333
2013.. 3,900,000... 1,333,333.... 100,000.... 5,333,333

It looks like the Jets will be paying him 9M this year not 6. That said I will say this, although I don't see us pursuing Revis, if we were able to pull off a reverse Champ Bailey trade, I would be ok that with that. Problem is I wouldn't know until my hindsight vision kicks in.[/quote]

You seriously think Revis would take the field in 15 and 16 for 6 million? not gonna happen

Re: Darrelle Revis is up for trade per Jets owner
 

[quote=donofriose;990778]So you would not trade for Fitzgerald, Ngata, Graham, Gronk, Jahri Evans, Patrick Peterson, AJ Green, Geno Atkins, Daryl Washington, Kam Chancellor, Calais Campbell, Julio Jones, Joe Thomas, Vince Wilfork, Ray Rice or D'Qwell Jackson?

I just want to make sure I understand which superstar players that the Redskins would never get you would be willing to trade for.[/quote]

I see risks to a lot of those players. Minor risks, but even a minor risk that I've had before has backfired on either us or other teams. Like Albert Haynesworth or Nnamdi. Nnamdi especially, thats a guy who everyone in the league regarded as the 2nd best CB, then he changed defenses and it all went down hill from their. My list of guys are guys that no matter the scheme, are 0 risk players in my opinion.

On your list I'll go in order:
Fitz- too old now, too much to give up anyway
Ngata- Maybe, he could also be good because of the ravens defense ie, Suggs, Reed, Lewis is my minor concern
Graham and Gronk- Thought about them, but they both have been injury prone of late. Graham I'd give the slight edge too, but he can't block that great.
Jahri Evans, Geno Atkins, Joe Thomas--don't fit our scheme on offense. Nor does Geno on a 3-4 defense, at least I don't think so, therefore its a risk I'm not willing to take, see haynesworth.
Wilfork--If it were 2 years ago yes, but now no
Ray Rice--He'd be pricey, the ravens wouldn't trade him, and running backs like him are a lot easier to find, than a RB like Peterson.
Patrick Peterson-- I've seen enough potential with him to say he'd be good in any scheme, and if you read my previous post his name is included...
Daryl Washington, Calais Campbell--They run a 3-4 but it is supposedly different than our 3-4. I want to see more than just 1 good year from DW to say definite yes or nos. He joins the maybe crowd with Ngata. Calais, he's good, but he takes off plays a lot too. Would he do that here or stay the same? Questions, little ones, that make you question a big trade like him.
Chancellor-- I question some of his man coverage ability. I really think that he is being covered up by Earl Thomas and the 2 CBs, which is whats making him look great. Is he a great safety? sure. But would I give up a lot for him as opposed to drafting someone? No.
DQwell--No, he too is injury prone.
Julio--No he, like Garcon, can't stay healthy
AJ Green-- Yes I would trade for him, doubt that Cincy trades him though since he's their best player (I put Calvin on my list, because if Detroit keeps sucking they maybe forced to trade him for lots of picks and players down the road)

Re: Darrelle Revis is up for trade per Jets owner
 

[quote=Chico23231;990837]You seriously think Revis would take the field in 15 and 16 for 6 million? not gonna happen[/quote]

Those are his current contract amounts. I wasn't saying that he would or wouldn't play for that amount, only that that is what any team that trades for him would take on, and why BHA's singling out of 2013 as a comparison between Revis and Wilson was missing perspective.

Re: Darrelle Revis is up for trade per Jets owner
 

[quote=Chico23231;990837]You seriously think Revis would take the field in 15 and 16 for 6 million? not gonna happen[/quote]

The contract is voided after 2014. The deal was set up like that for aesthetic purposes. It basically was a 4 year deal. The deal also includes a clause that they Jets cannot use the franchise tag on him at the end of the contract. (in 2014)

Re: Darrelle Revis is up for trade per Jets owner
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;990836][URL="http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/washington-redskins/josh-wilson/"]Josh Wilson Contract, Salaries, and Transactions[/URL]
[URL="http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york-jets/darrelle-revis/"]Darrelle Revis Contract, Salaries, and Transactions[/URL]

man the internet is amazing about how easy it is to find most pieces of information:
Revis: Base........... Signing....Misc Bonus....Total cap hit
2010 ..7,500,000...783,416....538,000........8,821,416
2011 ..6,000,000...783,416....4,000,000.... 10,783,416
2012 ..4,500,000...783,416....6,220,205.... 11,503,621
2013 ..3,000,000...-..............6,000,000.... 9,000,000
2014 ..3,000,000...-..............3,000,000.... 6,000,000
2015 ..3,000,000...-..............3,000,000.... 6,000,000
2016 ..3,000,000...-..............3,000,000 .... 6,000,000

Wilson:
2011.. 2,000,000... 1,333,333.... -.............. 3,333,333
2012.. 3,400,000... 1,333,333.... 100,000.... 4,833,333
2013.. 3,900,000... 1,333,333.... 100,000.... 5,333,333

It looks like the Jets will be paying him 9M this year not 6. That said I will say this, although I don't see us pursuing Revis, if we were able to pull off a reverse Champ Bailey trade, I would be ok that with that. Problem is I wouldn't know until my hindsight vision kicks in.[/quote]

So you would trade Morris?

Re: Darrelle Revis is up for trade per Jets owner
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;990762]No way. Jets would want a 2nd and 3rd at least.[/quote]

Peter King says they want a 1st for Revis.

[url]https://twitter.com/SI_PeterKing/statuses/294438948514717696[/url]


According to Oprah Florio, Rex doesn't want to trade him at all.

[URL="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/24/source-rex-ryan-doesnt-want-to-trade-revis/"]Source: Rex Ryan doesn’t want to trade Revis | ProFootballTalk[/URL]

Re: Darrelle Revis is up for trade per Jets owner
 

[quote=CultBrennan59;990839]I see risks to a lot of those players. Minor risks, but even a minor risk that I've had before has backfired on either us or other teams. Like Albert Haynesworth or Nnamdi. Nnamdi especially, thats a guy who everyone in the league regarded as the 2nd best CB, then he changed defenses and it all went down hill from their. My list of guys are guys that no matter the scheme, are 0 risk players in my opinion.

On your list I'll go in order:
Fitz- too old now, too much to give up anyway
Ngata- Maybe, he could also be good because of the ravens defense ie, Suggs, Reed, Lewis is my minor concern
Graham and Gronk- Thought about them, but they both have been injury prone of late. Graham I'd give the slight edge too, but he can't block that great.
Jahri Evans, Geno Atkins, Joe Thomas--don't fit our scheme on offense. Nor does Geno on a 3-4 defense, at least I don't think so, therefore its a risk I'm not willing to take, see haynesworth.
Wilfork--If it were 2 years ago yes, but now no
Ray Rice--He'd be pricey, the ravens wouldn't trade him, and running backs like him are a lot easier to find, than a RB like Peterson.
Patrick Peterson-- I've seen enough potential with him to say he'd be good in any scheme, and if you read my previous post his name is included...
Daryl Washington, Calais Campbell--They run a 3-4 but it is supposedly different than our 3-4. I want to see more than just 1 good year from DW to say definite yes or nos. He joins the maybe crowd with Ngata. Calais, he's good, but he takes off plays a lot too. Would he do that here or stay the same? Questions, little ones, that make you question a big trade like him.
Chancellor-- I question some of his man coverage ability. I really think that he is being covered up by Earl Thomas and the 2 CBs, which is whats making him look great. Is he a great safety? sure. But would I give up a lot for him as opposed to drafting someone? No.
DQwell--No, he too is injury prone.
Julio--No he, like Garcon, can't stay healthy
AJ Green-- Yes I would trade for him, doubt that Cincy trades him though since he's their best player (I put Calvin on my list, because if Detroit keeps sucking they maybe forced to trade him for lots of picks and players down the road)[/quote]

I was just saying all stars, that just like you listed will never be traded. 49ers will not part ways with either of their all star linebackers, Texans won't ever trade Watt, Johnson, and Peterson just signed extensions, I am just stating players that won't leave just like you said. Almost all are either below 30 or at 30. Which by the way would make them older than Fitzgerald (Ware and Wake). The list you created are players that their teams will not be dumb enough to let go.

Re: Darrelle Revis is up for trade per Jets owner
 

[quote=donofriose;990852]I was just saying all stars, that just like you listed will never be traded. 49ers will not part ways with either of their all star linebackers, Texans won't ever trade Watt, Johnson, and Peterson just signed extensions, I am just stating players that won't leave just like you said. Almost all are either below 30 or at 30. Which by the way would make them older than Fitzgerald (Ware and Wake). The list you created are players that their teams will not be dumb enough to let go.[/quote]

The NFL is a funny business, so any trade is possible and any move is possible. Your always going to have exceptions to your own rules of players. Wake maybe 30, but he's been in the league for 3 years. Ware is still a beast and the same player he's been for the past 8+ years. Fitz I've noticed his speed has declined over the years. As I stated in the first post, these are the only players id consider trading for, assuming the other team would consider trading them. Obviously 90% of those players will probably never be traded, but if any of those players would be traded I would definitely give up picks or players not named robert griffin for them.

Re: Darrelle Revis is up for trade per Jets owner
 

[quote=firstdown;990847]So you would trade Morris?[/quote]

I could see it. Remember tho' we gave up Champ and a 2nd, so a Champ type deal would be something akin to Morris for Revis and the Jets give us a 2nd or 3rd round pick.

Re: Darrelle Revis is up for trade per Jets owner
 

He wants a 100 million contract, let him have it somewhere else.

Re: Darrelle Revis is up for trade per Jets owner
 

[quote=CultBrennan59;990856]The NFL is a funny business, so any trade is possible and any move is possible. Your always going to have exceptions to your own rules of players. Wake maybe 30, but he's been in the league for 3 years. Ware is still a beast and the same player he's been for the past 8+ years. Fitz I've noticed his speed has declined over the years. As I stated in the first post, these are the only players id consider trading for, assuming the other team would consider trading them. Obviously 90% of those players will probably never be traded, but if any of those players would be traded I would definitely give up picks or players not named robert griffin for them.[/quote]

Fitzgerald is just as fast he just does not have a QB to throw him a deep ball. Last year he was averaging 17 yards a catch, you will look slow if no one can get you the ball deep, or the ball at all. He is still just as good as he always has been. Revis also has had injury problems which is why I would not trade for him. The year before hamstring, this year knee, not exactly healthy. Ware fell of this year (due to injury). Against the Redskins he looked broken. But anything is possible. If you notice however, every player mentioned plays for the team they were drafted by except for Wake but he is special in the way he came to the league, basically an UDFA... that is why you draft your own players and develop them to be beast. Hence why I do not like trades in the first place.

Re: Darrelle Revis is up for trade per Jets owner
 

[quote=donofriose;990866]Fitzgerald is just as fast he just does not have a QB to throw him a deep ball. Last year he was averaging 17 yards a catch, you will look slow if no one can get you the ball deep, or the ball at all. He is still just as good as he always has been. Revis also has had injury problems which is why I would not trade for him. The year before hamstring, this year knee, not exactly healthy. Ware fell of this year (due to injury). Against the Redskins he looked broken. But anything is possible. If you notice however, every player mentioned plays for the team they were drafted by except for Wake but he is special in the way he came to the league, basically an UDFA... that is why you draft your own players and develop them to be beast. Hence why I do not like trades in the first place.[/quote]



NO WR is worth 15+ million a year. None. The game's most important spots are the QB followed by the OL/DL. Those are the places you invest heavily in. The Lions and Cards will be dreading that decision to give those contracts out.

Re: Darrelle Revis is up for trade per Jets owner
 

[quote=NC_Skins;990867]NO WR is worth 15+ million a year. None. The game's most important spots are the QB followed by the OL/DL. Those are the places you invest heavily in. The Lions and Cards will be dreading that decision to give those contracts out.[/quote]

I'll agree with that. Why I was not a big fan of giving Garcon a big contract.

Re: Darrelle Revis is up for trade per Jets owner
 

They can have our 2nd, 5th, and Rob Jackson.

Re: Darrelle Revis is up for trade per Jets owner
 

let's trade our entire draft for revis, then trade revis and a future 2nd for champ bailey

Re: Darrelle Revis is up for trade per Jets owner
 

Whose says he want a 100 million dollar contract. What people don't get is dude is the best of the best. He would instantly make our defense better. Him, with Rak and Carricker and Merriweather coming back and add a Safety and we have an playoff defense. We would be favorites in our division.

Re: Darrelle Revis is up for trade per Jets owner
 

GW we had a playoff defense this year.

With what we had on the field. They aren't the best but they helped get us to the playoffs, and with a little help from the offense could have won some more.

Could they use some upgrades? Sure, but I believe with our players returning healthy, a few draft additions, and a couple lower priced free agents we can get the same result.

Re: Darrelle Revis is up for trade per Jets owner
 

[quote=donofriose;990874]I'll agree with that. Why I was not a big fan of giving Garcon a big contract.[/quote]

We won our 1st game when he was not injured. He missed some time and we were loosing. He came back and we started winning again. Seems like a good investment. We had a better winning % with RGIII out then we did with Garcon out.

Re: Darrelle Revis is up for trade per Jets owner
 

[quote=GWinSkins83;990887]Whose says he want a 100 million dollar contract. What people don't get is dude is the best of the best. He would instantly make our defense better. Him, with Rak and Carricker and Merriweather coming back and add a Safety and we have an playoff defense. We would be favorites in our division.[/quote]

Last I checked we had a playoff D this year and the game we lost in the playoffs was not because of our D.

Re: Darrelle Revis is up for trade per Jets owner
 

[quote=firstdown;990894]We won our 1st game when he was not injured. He missed some time and we were loosing. He came back and we started winning again. Seems like a good investment. We had a better winning % with RGIII out then we did with Garcon out.[/quote]

You have to play in more than 10 games in order to be a good investment. I agree he was a stud when healthy, but the value of a receiver to me is not worth 42 million, especially one that misses a large portion of the season.

Re: Darrelle Revis is up for trade per Jets owner
 

Id trade Orakpo for Revis.

But no way would we be able to give up Cousins, we all know that.
Captain Kirks not getting Matt Flynn`d anytime soon.

maybe they can swipe that cap penalty away finally.
I dont think were gonna get him though. We also screw ourselves and waste money right before the best players become available ive noticed.

Re: Darrelle Revis is up for trade per Jets owner
 

[quote=Skins4L;990900]Id trade Orakpo for Revis.

But no way would we be able to give up Cousins, we all know that.
Captain Kirks not getting Matt Flynn`d anytime soon.

maybe they can swipe that cap penalty away finally.
I dont think were gonna get him though. We also screw ourselves and waste money right before the best players become available ive noticed.[/quote]

We would generate no pass rush w/o Orakpo, just like this past season. I like Revis but you can have the best corners but without a pass rush you will get beat, and beat often.

Re: Darrelle Revis is up for trade per Jets owner
 

[quote=donofriose;990902]We would generate no pass rush w/o Orakpo, just like this past season. I like Revis but you can have the best corners but without a pass rush you will get beat, and beat often.[/quote]

dude, Revis > Orakpo. Not really an arguement

Re: Darrelle Revis is up for trade per Jets owner
 

What do we have to trade with? We certainly can't pay him either.

Re: Darrelle Revis is up for trade per Jets owner
 

Revis wants top 5 in the nfl money, it's been said many times. Why would we pay that.

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[url=http://www.nyjetscap.com/2013_Articles/trading-darrelle-revis.html]Trading Darrelle Revis...[/url]



A damn good writeup.

Re: Darrelle Revis is up for trade per Jets owner
 

This will be too expensive for us to seriously entertain, and a guy coming off an ACL tear who relies on speed is a risk at that price. (And if you disagree, I guess you're not at all worried about RGIII coming back 100%. While I think he will definitely heal and do all the rehab he needs to, every time he gets whacked from now on, I will be holding my breath about that knee.)

It's a dead letter, folks. We'd have to give up way too much and I think the last two years shows that Shanny wants to build through the draft.

Re: Darrelle Revis is up for trade per Jets owner
 

We wouldn't pay him top 5 money with BA in charge. There is better value out there.

Re: Darrelle Revis is up for trade per Jets owner
 

[quote=Chico23231;990913]dude, Revis > Orakpo. Not really an arguement[/quote]

I obviously agree with that. But the more valuable position to a defense is an outside linebacker that creates pressure. Plus orakpo won't take around 15 million in cap space.

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"The problem with Revis is that he views himself as the best defensive player in the NFL and wants to be paid top dollar, a number which is currently represented by DE Mario Williams who makes $16 million a year with $24.9 million in firm guarantees."
.......mmmmm...no thanx