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[quote=The Goat;991436]Cunningham and Young were much larger/stouter athletes. [/quote]



Randall Cunningham - 6'4" 215lbs.

Steve Young - 6'2" 215lbs.

Robert Griffin III- 6'2" 217lbs.




Much larger/stouter? Am I missing something here?

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If Griffin only misses a couple games next season, 11-5. If he misses half the season, 8-8.

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[quote=HailGreen28;991461]If Griffin only misses a couple games next season, 11-5. [B]If he misses half the season, 8-8[/B].[/quote]

Why?

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[quote=44ever;991462]Why?[/quote]I think our OL has really gotten the ZBS down pat, so our run game will be at least as strong as this season. Moss is still strong and our young WRs should start "getting it" next season.

Our D, I have little faith in. But I think Griffin is going to get everybody fired up with his performance. I don't expect to go 7-0 to start next season, I expect us to lose a bad game or two. But if Griffin is anywhere near 100% whenever he sees the field, we will be a beast of a team.

edit: Just notice you highlighted my 8-8 guess if Griffin misses half the season. I think this team is good enough to break even without a 100% RG3. I also think there's a bigger difference between 11-5 and 8-8 than just getting lucky 3 more games. Griffin turns next year's team from average to superbowl contender if he can get healthy this offseason and stay that way.

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Cousins had a great start against Cleveland but I want to see more before I'm all in with him. Until we see that he's a legit QB I believe the more games RG3 plays the better off we are.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;991465]Cousins had a great start against Cleveland but I want to see more before I'm all in with him. Until we see that he's a legit QB I believe the more games RG3 plays the better off we are.[/QUOTE]

He looked really good but it was against a horrible browns team, I know they r better but it's still Cleveland. Against Atlanta he played poorly but it wasn't a great situation for him.

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[quote=Mattyk;991441]Griffin isn't a glass doll, I'd wager good money he lasts more than 5 years.

[B]In fact can anyone name a starting QB in the last 25 years that had a career of 5 years or less due to injury?[/B][/quote]

Can anybody name a QB from the last 25 years who ran more than RG in a single season? Name an offense more dependent on the QB (specifically) running the ball to be successful? Name one who suffered a concussion and a blown knee in his rookie season?

Seems like we're in new territory on several fronts, and they're not all good (already).

But seriously, I hope this is a moot point. Improve the offense (to protect your franchise QB), improve the pass protection, and teach RG to slide and get out of bounce. We see examples of it across the league. Just do it.

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[quote=The Goat;991495]Can anybody name a QB from the last 25 years who ran more than RG in a single season?[/quote]

You really need to try a little harder.

Griffin ran 120 times this year.

Newton ran 127 times this year and 126 times last year.

Vick ran 120 times in 2004 and 123 times in 2006.

Tebow ran it 122 times in 2011.

I'm sure there are others.

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This whole Griffin running debate, I'm not thinking much about him running until I know that knee is 100%.

The big question which know one knows the answer to is how will RG3 recover; Like AP(start regular season and completely back to normal)? Like Brady(start regular season but don't get back to normal until after game 4)? Like Ryan Broles (returning midway through the season)? Or like Willis McGahee (don't play at all and debut at 100% the next season)?

Also I have a positive feeling that Kirk, in his 2nd year in the offense and sitting behind Robert, and wanting to get a starting job elsewhere, that he'll come out playing great. So great that there may be even a QB controversy when Robert comes back as to if we should go with the hot hand or the better, more injury prone QB.

Thinking positive

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No one could have envisioned a 350 pound NT slamming into RG3's leg, which was the root of his knee injury. Anyone who has seen that high light knows that was a freak accident. But it happened and that play alone has a lot to do with why RG3 had surgery on his knee. I'm willing to bet RG3 will dive on those runs from now on and get down on the turf....

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[quote=SCRedskinsFan;991350]I keep hearing how defensive coordinators will figure out how to defense our scheme in the off season and how that will be a negative for our prospects in 2013.

[B]I submit that our offensive gurus will not be resting on their laurels and will develop schemes the other guys haven't seen yet. So I don't buy the gloom and doom of our offense being "figured out" somehow[/B]. I think by the end of next season teams will be trying to copy our defense once again, à la DirtyBirds and 49ers, and we will continue to be in the driver's seat.

With the Wilson/Kapernick adulation the media seem to have put us on the back burner. I say good -- we'll be on their front burner again soon enough... It's amazing to think that we were but one Ngata hit away from making it to the Super Bowl. Good times are here to stay!

HTTR[/quote]

I hope you're right; the NFL is a chess game and can be very back and forth. And I have confidence in our coaches to keep up with design, but the competition out there is stiff.

There are other elements to consider of course: how much more conservative with the Shanny's be considering the fear of another RGIII injury? On the other hand, how much of the playbook did they not open up last year because he was a rookie? It really could go either way. I'm not predicting that opposing defenses will figure out ways to limit our offense, but is a concern.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;991507][B]No one could have envisioned a 350 pound NT slamming into RG3's leg[/B], which was the root of his knee injury. Anyone who has seen that high light knows that was a freak accident. But it happened and that play alone has a lot to do with why RG3 had surgery on his knee. I'm willing to bet RG3 will dive on those runs from now on and get down on the turf....[/quote]

And pretty far (I think 10 yards) down field! Why is a NT there?

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[quote=Mattyk;991441][B]Griffin isn't a glass doll[/B], I'd wager good money he lasts more than 5 years.

In fact can anyone name a starting QB in the last 25 years that had a career of 5 years or less due to injury?[/quote]


Agreed. Look, this is an anecdotal observation with practically zero medical support, but I'll say it anyway: I think the initial hit Griffin took to his knee is, if anything, an indication that the man is NOT injury prone. There are some players who can't avoid a knee injury stepping out of bed (Brandon Merriweather, for example). Some players just break easily. The hit Griffin took was nasty and bent his knee something awful, yet the initial injury could have been a lot worse. I think in a lot of guys that would have been a much more significant injury. Of course, as I said, that's with very little medical knowledge on my behalf. But I'm just saying, I think he's resilient.

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[quote=Coff;991525]I hope you're right; the NFL is a chess game and can be very back and forth. And I have confidence in our coaches to keep up with design, but the competition out there is stiff.

There are other elements to consider of course: how much more conservative with the Shanny's be considering the fear of another RGIII injury? On the other hand, how much of the playbook did they not open up last year because he was a rookie? [B]It really could go either way. I'm not predicting that opposing defenses will figure out ways to limit our offense, but is a concern[/B].[/quote]

Im completely on the other side, I think its an advantage. Sure pistol read option brought something new to the game for D cordinators to work on, but we ran it flawlessly. It does nothing but put significant stress on defenses in every way, game planning and executing on the field. Im blown away how people are putting a negative spin on this.

Do people seriously think this is the only offense RG3 can run?

Becoming a more pocket passer is a natural progression for any rookie, young QB in the league. Reading defenses, getting timing and rhythm with recievers, advance throwing techniques such as the back shoulder, pocket awareness, etc...all these will improve with experience. Its not hard to see RG3 has the capacity and drive to improve. We will see obviously more pocket passing this year.

Also across multiple threads I keep reading as if RG3's injury is career ending. The guy will come back next year, please chill on this sh*t. Injuries are a part of the game.

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[quote=Mattyk;991496]You really need to try a little harder.[/quote]


Get in line. I'm still trying to get him to explain this.



[quote=NC_Skins;991460]
[quote=The Goat;991436]Cunningham and Young were much larger/stouter athletes. [/quote]

Randall Cunningham - 6'4" 215lbs.

Steve Young - 6'2" 215lbs.

Robert Griffin III- 6'2" 217lbs.




Much larger/stouter? Am I missing something here?[/QUOTE]

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[quote=NC_Skins;991532]Get in line. I'm still trying to get him to explain this.[/quote]

Good luck with that. I'm sure you'll hear crickets.

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[quote=Coff;991527]Agreed. Look, this is an anecdotal observation with practically zero medical support, but I'll say it anyway: I think the initial hit Griffin took to his knee is, if anything, an indication that the man is NOT injury prone. There are some players who can't avoid a knee injury stepping out of bed (Brandon Merriweather, for example). Some players just break easily. The hit Griffin took was nasty and bent his knee something awful, yet the initial injury could have been a lot worse. I think in a lot of guys that would have been a much more significant injury. Of course, as I said, that's with very little medical knowledge on my behalf. But I'm just saying, I think he's resilient.[/quote]

Absolutely. He played a lot of snaps between the initial knee shot and the surgery, some very effectively. He even got us a 14-point lead in the playoffs on one leg basically. There's a point where no man could keep going and he finally reached it, but up until that point, he showed he's tougher than anyone in football.

His training and work ethic is also impressive and he'll be back like this never happened.

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[quote=NC_Skins;991532]Get in line. I'm still trying to get him to explain this.[/quote]

I still do not understand why so many people call him small. 6'2" is not a midget like people make him out to be. He's not fragile-looking either, I've seen him up close in person. He walked right in front of me several times and I was really impressed by his build and how muscular he was. RGIII is a solidly-built, world-class athlete.

Yet, people say he needs to add weight or call him short. Sure, beside Tyler Polumbus and Logan Paulsen, anyone looks small.

[IMG]http://i47.tinypic.com/1iollu.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://i48.tinypic.com/xbzfbm.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://i47.tinypic.com/outzci.jpg[/IMG]

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Agreed MD. Dude is built.

He looks small to guys who are 6-4 260 and above. He will come back fine. I believe the guy will be around for years. If a guy like JC can survive in this league for 7+ years then RG III will still be here in his 30s. He is 23 this year.

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This is exactly why you can't bring Fletcher back at a 7.5 mil price tag.


[url]https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/01/29/signature-stats-first-downs-allowed-linebackers/[/url]


Even a restructure isn't going to work because you dont' want to push money into the future on a 38 year old dude.

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[quote=NC_Skins;991568]This is exactly why you can't bring Fletcher back at a 7.5 mil price tag.


[url]https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/01/29/signature-stats-first-downs-allowed-linebackers/[/url]


Even a restructure isn't going to work because you dont' want to push money into the future on a 38 year old dude.[/quote]

Who would be his replacement? Better hope there is some one in the draft that can start immediately.

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Why does everyone always forget about Keenan Robinson?

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[quote=SmootSmack;991608]Why does everyone always forget about Keenan Robinson?[/quote]

Is that the linebacker the Redskins are banking on to replace Fletcher?

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[quote=SmootSmack;991608]Why does everyone always forget about Keenan Robinson?[/quote]

So this dude is penciled in as the heir to Fletch? I mean, thats cool, he really didnt go out there and impress.

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[quote=NC_Skins;991568]This is exactly why you can't bring Fletcher back at a 7.5 mil price tag.


[url]https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/01/29/signature-stats-first-downs-allowed-linebackers/[/url]


Even a restructure isn't going to work because you dont' want to push money into the future on a 38 year old dude.[/quote]

This is a pretty misleading stat imo. It doesnt take into account that most linebackers had help. Our corners needed our safeties and our safeties were busy messing up putting more strain on the LB's. How many times did we see Fletcher or Riley on coverage that most teams would have a safety assigned to?

How many times do other teams stop that stat for players on their team? Such as being in 3 and 7 or longer a lot as opposed to being in 3rd and 1 or 2 all the time. If a 3rd and 7 has a pass completed to a TE that a LB is covering and a safety stops him at 6 yards, it makes this completely strange metric look a whole lot different. Yet says nothing about the play of a LB on the field when comparing two separate LB's. In fact, its an easy metric to score the wrong way. Take my example above. 3rd and 7 and the LB gets beat but gets saved by a safety. 3rd and 1 and the LB has very tight coverage but the pass is complete. He still makes an immediate tackle for a 2 yard gain. That metric has the LB who was lost in left field and got saved by a safety as the better player over a LB in a difficult coverage who got beat for a whole 2 yards but ultimately made his own tackle.

Any metric that takes team stats to rate bad players as good and good players as bad should probably just be ignored.

Now, if you want to have the debate over whether London should be cut, thats fine. But I dont think the proof should be that our secondary was terrible and made our MLB's our main pass defenders. If thats the case, we should look at the secondary first before the LB's.

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[quote=Skinzman;991613]This is a pretty misleading stat imo. It doesnt take into account that most linebackers had help. Our corners needed our safeties and our safeties were busy messing up putting more strain on the LB's. How many times did we see Fletcher or Riley on coverage that most teams would have a safety assigned to?

How many times do other teams stop that stat for players on their team? Such as being in 3 and 7 or longer a lot as opposed to being in 3rd and 1 or 2 all the time. If a 3rd and 7 has a pass completed to a TE that a LB is covering and a safety stops him at 6 yards, it makes this completely strange metric look a whole lot different. Yet says nothing about the play of a LB on the field when comparing two separate LB's. In fact, its an easy metric to score the wrong way. Take my example above. 3rd and 7 and the LB gets beat but gets saved by a safety. 3rd and 1 and the LB has very tight coverage but the pass is complete. He still makes an immediate tackle for a 2 yard gain. That metric has the LB who was lost in left field and got saved by a safety as the better player over a LB in a difficult coverage who got beat for a whole 2 yards but ultimately made his own tackle.

Any metric that takes team stats to rate bad players as good and good players as bad should probably just be ignored.

Now, if you want to have the debate over whether London should be cut, thats fine. But I dont think the proof should be that our secondary was terrible and made our MLB's our main pass defenders. If thats the case, we should look at the secondary first before the LB's.[/quote]

Also a big flaw with the stat is it does not seem to take into account 3 down linebackers vs 2 down linebackers. I still think Fletcher had a great year but I do think he showed signs of his age.

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[quote=SmootSmack;991608]Why does everyone always forget about Keenan Robinson?[/quote]

Why didn't you read post #23? :D

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[quote=Chico23231;991611]So this dude is penciled in as the heir to Fletch? I mean, thats cool, he really didnt go out there and impress.[/quote]

He was starting to flash some before he got hurt.

The coaches are high on him.

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[quote=SmootSmack;991608]Why does everyone always forget about Keenan Robinson?[/quote]

Probably because if a guy didn't play this year, because he was behind 1 PB caliber and 1 very good 3rd year starter, well then that guy clearly isn't worth a 2nd look.

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[quote=SmootSmack;991608]Why does everyone always forget about Keenan Robinson?[/quote]

It's more like I remember... Lemar Marshall.

(stole Hog's elipses for effect)

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;991507]No one could have envisioned a 350 pound NT slamming into RG3's leg, which was the root of his knee injury. Anyone who has seen that high light knows that was a freak accident. But it happened and that play alone has a lot to do with why RG3 had surgery on his knee. [B]I'm willing to bet RG3 will dive on those runs from now on and get down on the turf....[/B][/quote]

Has anyone else noticed that even when RG3 slides the defense goes headhunting? This has happened to him thru college as well. Im sure most of you have noticed but for those who may not have, watch some highlights of RG3 running. Some near misses would have ripped his head off. And the refs usually don't seem to give a crap.

So don't expect RG3 to avoid getting hit just because he slides.

Slow motion replay at 0:35 mark
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgK12g8to7U]Robert Griffin III injured off massive hit - YouTube[/ame]
Watch as the same thing happens on this similar play around the 0:55 mark
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlsCQA9H3Sw]Robert Griffin III gets hammered, then scores touchdown! - YouTube[/ame]

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[quote=Mattyk;991496]You really need to try a little harder.

Griffin ran 120 times this year.

Newton ran 127 times this year and 126 times last year.

Vick ran 120 times in 2004 and 123 times in 2006.

Tebow ran it 122 times in 2011.

I'm sure there are others.[/quote]

You're brighter than that...you know I was talking yards. He set a record.

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[quote=The Goat;991665]You're brighter than that...you know I was talking yards. He set a record.[/quote]

He set the rookie record.

You still lose.

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Playoffs.Consistently.
Best QB or one of the best QBs in the NFL.
A Superbowl or 2 thrown in there somewhere.

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[quote=44ever;991659]Has anyone else noticed that even when RG3 slides the defense goes headhunting? This has happened to him thru college as well. Im sure most of you have noticed but for those who may not have, watch some highlights of RG3 running. Some near misses would have ripped his head off. And the refs usually don't seem to give a crap.

So don't expect RG3 to avoid getting hit just because he slides.[/quote]

The defense always tries to take the QB's head off. That's not unique to Griffin.

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I'm cool with Keenan Robinson but I would also trade for a Rolando McClain as insurance policy incase Keenan doesn't work out/ gets injured

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[quote=donofriose;991616]Also a big flaw with the stat is it does not seem to take into account 3 down linebackers vs 2 down linebackers. I still think Fletcher had a great year but I do think he showed signs of his age.[/quote]

At first I thought Fletch had slowed down. For the first time I saw him hit RBs (like Bradshaw) flush and the RB didn't go down. It was weird, my and my friends were taken aback when Fletcher get a bead on a RB and hits them square the go down.

But, when I read about his nagging injury and more importantly his 'balance' issues I knew it wasn't age slowing Fletch down but injuries.
Then as the season wore on he got over his balance issues and by the end of the season he was back to making plays and hitting with pop.

I would welcome Fletch back with open arms, he would be worth every penny.

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[quote=Mattyk;991668]The defense always tries to take the QB's head off. That's not unique to Griffin.[/quote]

Right, but there is supposed to be a penalty for leading with your head or hitting the QB in the head. Griffin never draws a flag when hit in this way.

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If RG3 is ready for the start of the season, and can start at least 14 games, I can definitely see the Redskins making the playoffs. However, if he gets injured, it's a completely different story. While I agree with Rich Tandler that Cousins is a good quarterback, the Redskins need RG3 to create confusion on defenses and that really helps Alfred Morris with the ground game. The Redskins are a good team, so they should be playoff contenders for a long time to come.

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[quote=44ever;991672]Right, but there is supposed to be a penalty for leading with your head or hitting the QB in the head. Griffin never draws a flag when hit in this way.[/quote]

Once the QB leaves the pocket he's fair game as a runner.

Griffin needs to give himself up quicker when sliding. On bang-bang plays you often don't get that call unless its really obvious.