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[quote=JoeRedskin;993382]It's the lawyers responsible for all of it.[/quote]


yup,Lawyers and Rodger Goodell.:food-smil

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[quote=Giantone;993251]This is what people think about the gun culture in America today.

[url=http://www.theglobeandmail.com/commentary/editorials/nras-solutions-show-americans-the-true-face-of-gun-culture/article6643732/]NRA's solutions show Americans the true face of gun culture - The Globe and Mail[/url][/quote]

Hyperbole, selective facts and scare mongering, over and over again and again.

yawn.......

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[quote=Giantone;993251]This is what people think about the gun culture in America today.[/quote][IMG]http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n298/cbgrant74/Groups_Page_1r_zps1be4d2b0.jpg[/IMG]

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The radical fringe group,that's easy. It's whomever made this..........


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeHOdJl2Ahs]new NRA commercial against Obama's 2013 Gun Ban - YouTube[/ame]

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[quote=JoeRedskin;993382]It's the lawyers responsible for all of it.[/quote]

well duh... we all know that. Lawyers are like women, can't live with them, can't live without them. Except they are professionals. So they are like woman professionals in the oldest profession. hmmm what does that make them.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;993479]well duh... we all know that. Lawyers are like women, can't live with them, can't live without them. Except they are professionals. So they are like woman professionals in the oldest profession. [B] hmmm what does that make them[/B].[/quote]

F'ing brilliant.

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[quote=NC_Skins;993380]As I said before, I think issues run deeper than guns themselves. I don't think the answer to solving problems is always making rules or legislation.


I present you this situation where a mother backs over her own child with the car. What is her response? Wants legislation demanding cars have better safety features.

[URL="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2253580/Judy-Neiman-relives-moment-killed-daughter-backing--calls-compulsory-reversing-cameras.html#axzz2K92bF0OL"]Judy Neiman relives moment she killed her own daughter by backing up on her - and calls for compulsory reversing cameras | Mail Online[/URL]

Really? No accountability by her whatsoever. None. Just make the cars so idiots like myself won't back over my own child. Help me protect my kids from me!!

[B]That's the mentality this country has developed. We're disregarding personal accountability and pushing it off to somebody else.[/B]


Then you have people like this.

[URL="http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/woman-shoots-brother-posing-gun-article-1.1232082"]Arizona woman accidentally shoots brother to death while posing for photos with pistol: cops - NY Daily News[/URL]

Darwinism at its finest.[/quote]

Wow we agree on something.

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[quote=Giantone;993455]The radical fringe group,that's easy. It's whomever made this..........


[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeHOdJl2Ahs"]new NRA commercial against Obama's 2013 Gun Ban - YouTube[/URL][/quote]

Maybe not the best commercial but it is factually correct. I think Obama has reversed his stance some and now supports some sort of guards in schools.

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[quote=firstdown;993527]Maybe not the best commercial but it is factually correct. I think Obama has reversed his stance some and now supports some sort of guards in schools.[/quote]

Willing to pay more taxes for these guards?

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[quote=Giantone;993455]The radical fringe group,that's easy. It's whomever made this..........


[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeHOdJl2Ahs]new NRA commercial against Obama's 2013 Gun Ban - YouTube[/url][/quote]Why is the commercial somehow "radical fringe"? Don't you think if politicians kids have armed guards at their schools, (not to mention armed guards for banks, subways, airliners, as the NRA has pointed out), that regular schools somehow don't deserve similar protection?

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I just dont want to see a society where we have to put armed guards at our schools? I mean does anybody think that is just f*cked up or am I in the minority?

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[quote=Chico23231;993636]I just dont want to see a society where we have to put armed guards at our schools? I mean does anybody think that is just f*cked up or am I in the minority?[/quote]It is ****ed up. So is having to put guards in the other places mentioned. Locks in practically every locker room, including police stations. This shouldn't be news to anyone. The question is, why do we have guards in all those other places, but not in places like where school shootings have happened?
[IMG]http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f191/usmarine0352/GunsSchool.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=HailGreen28;993634]Why is the commercial somehow "radical fringe"? Don't you think if politicians kids have armed guards at their schools, (not to mention armed guards for banks, subways, airliners, as the NRA has pointed out), that regular schools somehow don't deserve similar protection?[/quote]


Protection from what?

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[quote=Chico23231;993636]I just dont want to see a society where we have to put armed guards at our schools? I mean does anybody think that is just f*cked up or am I in the minority?[/quote]

No,you are not.

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[quote=Daseal;993552]Willing to pay more taxes for these guards?[/quote]

If it has to come to that , yes, but we don't need guards ,we need better gun control.

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[quote=HailGreen28;993634]Why is the commercial somehow "radical fringe"? Don't you think if politicians kids have armed guards at their schools, (not to mention armed guards for banks, subways, airliners, as the NRA has pointed out), that regular schools somehow don't deserve similar protection?[/quote]


That is a privet school that caters to an extrem cliental,school lunch is prime rib,are"regular schools" getting that for lunch???

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[quote=Giantone;993667]If it has to come to that , yes, but we don't need guards ,we need better gun control.[/quote]

This broken record just keeps playing over and over and over......

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[quote=Chico23231;993636]I just dont want to see a society where we have to put armed guards at our schools? I mean does anybody think that is just f*cked up or am I in the minority?[/quote]

I agree it's totally F'd up, and I don't think it deals with the root issues.

[QUOTE=Chico23231;993636]I just dont want to see a society where we have to put armed guards at our schools? I mean does anybody think that is just f*cked up or am I in the minority?[/QUOTE]

Agreed. You are basically giving up vs evil.

We don't live in a subversive military state and our kids shouldn't be exposed to that.

[QUOTE=HailGreen28;993639]It is ****ed up. So is having to put guards in the other places mentioned. Locks in practically every locker room, including police stations. This shouldn't be news to anyone. The question is, why do we have guards in all those other places, but not in places like where school shootings have happened?
[IMG]http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f191/usmarine0352/GunsSchool.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

Better enforcement and regulations deter those situations.

I realize it's very hard for people to look at things beyond the very literal...

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[quote=Chico23231;993636]I just dont want to see a society where we have to put armed guards at our schools? I mean does anybody think that is just f*cked up or am I in the minority?[/quote]



[quote=Mattyk;993746]I agree it's totally F'd up, and I don't think it deals with the root issues.[/quote]



...and it doesn't. Putting a armed guard at every school in the nation isn't going to stop a person that wants to kill others. (in terms of shootings like Auora/Sandy Hill) They'll simply find another target location that offers no resistance in their quest to live in infamy. That's the whole point of guys like this, they don't want to fight anybody that's armed, which is why they generally shoot themselves when the cops start swarming in. You put a guard in every public place, and quite frankly would you want one? At that point, it might as well be a police state.

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[quote=Giantone;993665]Protection from what?[/quote]Hear about the mentally unstable guy at Newtown? Or are you just begging the question?

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[quote=Giantone;993668]That is a privet school that caters to an extrem cliental,school lunch is prime rib,are"regular schools" getting that for lunch???[/quote]What point (or dodge) are you trying to make here?

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[quote=hooskins;993753]Better enforcement and regulations deter those situations.

I realize it's very hard for people to look at things beyond the very literal...[/quote]Enforcement is a key word. Banks and courtrooms don't just rely on posted signs to enforce what kind of zone or regulation exists.

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[quote=HailGreen28;993634]Why is the commercial somehow "radical fringe"? Don't you think if politicians kids have armed guards at their schools, (not to mention armed guards for banks, subways, airliners, as the NRA has pointed out), that regular schools somehow don't deserve similar protection?[/quote]



The president of the United states has armed guards 24 hours a day do you,and if you don't,why?

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[quote=HailGreen28;993864]Hear about the mentally unstable guy at Newtown? Or are you just begging the question?[/quote]

You mean the kid who's mother didn't secure her weapons and he killed her and 27 others,that kid who had his mother done what she was suppose to being a "responsable gun owner"never would have got to the weapons in the first place,that kid,yeah I heard of him ,why?

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Why is it that no gun owner has a mental defect or disorder ...until he kills someone ?

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[quote=Giantone;993870]You mean the kid who's mother [U]didn't secure her weapons[/U] and he killed her and 27 others,that kid who had his mother done w[U]hat she was suppose to being a "responsable gun owner[/U]"never would have got to the weapons in the first place,that kid,yeah I heard of him ,why?[/quote]Your post contradicts itself (underlined), though the main point is that the kid in question had prior history of being unstable.

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[quote=Giantone;993868]The president of the United states has armed guards 24 hours a day do you,and if you don't,why?[/quote]Because the means to defend me and mine, backed up by existing law enforcement, is enough for me. "Tougher" gun regulations weren't enough for the kids at Newtown. A resource officer in the right place might have been though.

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[quote=Giantone;993871]Why is it that no gun owner has a mental defect or disorder ...until he kills someone ?[/quote]Why is it that politicians and some hysterical people blame inanimate objects for murderers actions?

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[quote=Giantone;993870][B]You mean the kid who's mother didn't secure her weapons[/B] and he killed her and 27 others,that kid who had his mother done what she was suppose to being a "responsable gun owner"never would have got to the weapons in the first place,that kid,yeah I heard of him ,why?[/quote]

She may have had them secured and he had access to them. If I had a gun safe and a son who used the guns he would also have access to the guns. Its obviouse by her death she did not think he would have use her guns in this way.

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[quote=firstdown;993942]She may have had them secured and he had access to them. If I had a gun safe and a son who used the guns he would also have access to the guns. Its obviouse by her death she did not think he would have use her guns in this way.[/quote]


Ok,this is where I have some trouble.I live in Charles county maryland a very big hunting area,I work with many folks from southern Maryland in general again all big hunters and they say the only people aloud in their gun safes are them,not the wife or the kids.My son inlaws both military one a Marine the other Army also both hunt and say the same thing,as fact at Ft Bragg where my Army son inlaw is stationed(82nd Airborn) all weapons (yes all)must be registerd and held at a depot on base anything ,Airsoft or BB must be reported or if found will be confiscated and a fine issued.To me and this is mostly to your last sentence...she didn't think,when you son orders a kevlar suit it's time to think about your weapons.This is my point some, not all ....gun owners think they are responsible and clearly are not we just don't find out till someone else is dead

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[quote=HailGreen28;993872]Your post contradicts itself (underlined), though the main point is that the kid in question had prior history of being unstable.[/quote]


Just being sarcastic,if the child was "unsatable" and had a history the mother should have known better,correct?

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[quote=Giantone;993969]Ok,this is where I have some trouble.I live in Charles county maryland a very big hunting area,I work with many folks from southern Maryland in general again all big hunters and they say the only people aloud in their gun safes are them,not the wife or the kids.My son inlaws both military one a Marine the other Army also both hunt and say the same thing,as fact [B]at Ft Bragg where my Army son inlaw is stationed(82nd Airborn) all weapons (yes all)must be registerd and held at a depot on base anything ,Airsoft or BB must be reported or if found will be confiscated and a fine issued.[/B]To me and this is mostly to your last sentence...she didn't think,[B]when you son orders a kevlar suit it's time to think about your weapons.This is my point some, not all ....gun owners think they are responsible and clearly are not we just don't find out till someone else is dead[/B][/quote]

And this prevents mass shootings? You dont hear about people going into a police station and shooting it up. Or people going to a shotting range and shooting it up. Or a gun store. However, unfortunately the same isnt true for a Army mess hall where you have to check your gun, like at Fort Hood. Or a college campus where guns are not allowed,. Or a elementry where no weapons of any sort are allowed.

Who had a kevlar suite? Regardless, Lanza's mom was a completely irresponsible gun owner.

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Has it been verified how the guns were secured in the house before Adam got his hands on them, or are some of you just going with speculations?
Because if they were locked up and he broke in without a key or a combo then you may as well say you want "no guns in houses".

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[quote=Giantone;993969]Ok,this is where I have some trouble.I live in Charles county maryland a very big hunting area,I work with many folks from southern Maryland in general again all big hunters and they say the only people aloud in their gun safes are them,not the wife or the kids.My son inlaws both military one a Marine the other Army also both hunt and say the same thing,as fact at Ft Bragg where my Army son inlaw is stationed(82nd Airborn) all weapons (yes all)must be registerd and held at a depot on base anything ,Airsoft or BB must be reported or if found will be confiscated and a fine issued.To me and this is mostly to your last sentence...she didn't think,when you son orders a kevlar suit it's time to think about your weapons.This is my point some, not all ....gun owners think they are responsible and clearly are not we just don't find out till someone else is dead[/quote]

Of course Kids should not have access to the guns but this guy was not a kid and your wrong he did not have on a bullet proof vest.

A Connecticut state police spokesman on Thursday said Adam Lanza was not donning a bullet proof vest when he carried out the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, Conn., the New Haven Register [URL="http://www.nhregister.com/articles/2012/12/27/news/doc50dce5187860b303917697.txt"][COLOR=#0066cc]reports[/COLOR][/URL].

He also[B] did not use an Assult Rifl[/B]e but most people don't know that.

[URL="http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/50208495#50208495"]Investigation is 'very complex' - Video on TODAY.com[/URL]

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[quote=firstdown;994008]Of course Kids should not have access to the guns but this guy was not a kid and your wrong he did not have on a bullet proof vest.

A Connecticut state police spokesman on Thursday said Adam Lanza was not donning a bullet proof vest when he carried out the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, Conn., the New Haven Register [URL="http://www.nhregister.com/articles/2012/12/27/news/doc50dce5187860b303917697.txt"][COLOR=#0066cc]reports[/COLOR][/URL].

He also[B] did not use an Assult Rifl[/B]e but most people don't know that.

[URL="http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/50208495#50208495"]Investigation is 'very complex' - Video on TODAY.com[/URL][/quote]

Wow....that is actually huge news!
He left the AR 15 in the car and went into the school with four hand guns.
So then none of the murders were committed with an assault rifle.

Wonder why this isnt a headliner because it sure changes the things.

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[quote=firstdown;994008]Of course Kids should not have access to the guns but this guy was not a kid and your wrong he did not have on a bullet proof vest.

A Connecticut state police spokesman on Thursday said Adam Lanza was not donning a bullet proof vest when he carried out the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, Conn., the New Haven Register [URL="http://www.nhregister.com/articles/2012/12/27/news/doc50dce5187860b303917697.txt"][COLOR=#0066cc]reports[/COLOR][/URL].

He also[B] did not use an Assult Rifl[/B]e but most people don't know that.

[URL="http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/50208495#50208495"]Investigation is 'very complex' - Video on TODAY.com[/URL][/quote]

[url=http://www.ct.gov/despp/cwp/view.asp?A=4226&Q=517284]despp: ** UPDATE ** State Police Identify Weapons in Sandy Hook Investigation[/url]

Looks like thats not true.
The AR was recovered inside the school.

The shotgun was left in the car.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;994019][URL="http://www.ct.gov/despp/cwp/view.asp?A=4226&Q=517284"]despp: ** UPDATE ** State Police Identify Weapons in Sandy Hook Investigation[/URL]

Looks like thats not true.
The AR was recovered inside the school.

The shotgun was left in the car.[/quote]

I looked and could find anything that confirmed that the AR was in the school after it was reported left in hi car. Also the source of the info was pretty good.

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[quote=firstdown;994008]

He also[B] did not use an Assult Rifl[/B]e but most people don't know that.

[URL="http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/50208495#50208495"]Investigation is 'very complex' - Video on TODAY.com[/URL][/quote]


Yes he did.

[url=http://www.ctpost.com/newtownshooting/article/State-Police-All-26-Newtown-victims-shot-with-4222299.php]State Police: All 26 Newtown victims shot with assault rifle - Connecticut Post[/url]

Lt. [URL="http://www.ctpost.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=newtownshooting&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22J.+Paul+Vance%22"][COLOR=#0066cc]J. Paul Vance[/COLOR][/URL], the face of an ongoing [URL="http://www.ctpost.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=newtownshooting&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Connecticut+State+Police%22"][COLOR=#0066cc]Connecticut State Police[/COLOR][/URL] investigation into worst grade-school shooting in U.S. history, Thursday debunked media and Internet reports that Sandy Hook shooter Adam Lanza killed his victims with handguns and not the Bushmaster XM-15 E2S rifle that has been a focus of a proposed federal assault-weapons ban.
All 26 of Lanza's victims were shot with the .223-caliber semi-automatic rifle, said Vance, who bristled at claims to the contrary during an interview with Hearst Connecticut Newspapers.
"It's all these conspiracy theorists that are trying to mucky up the waters," said Vance, the longtime state police spokesman.
Multiple Second Amendment and gun-owner websites have attempted to cast doubt on whether the Bushmaster XM-15, a type of AR-15 rifle that is currently legal, was used in the Dec. 14 carnage done by Lanza.
Some have cited a Dec. 15 "Today" show video clip from the day after the shooting, in which [URL="http://www.ctpost.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=newtownshooting&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22NBC+News+Justice+Department%22"][COLOR=#0066cc]NBC News Justice Department[/COLOR][/URL] correspondent [URL="http://www.ctpost.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=newtownshooting&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Pete+Williams%22"][COLOR=#0066cc]Pete Williams[/COLOR][/URL] said that four handguns were recovered inside [URL="http://www.ctpost.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=newtownshooting&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Sandy+Hook+Elementary+School%22"][COLOR=#0066cc]Sandy Hook Elementary School[/COLOR][/URL] and that the Bushmaster rifle was found in the trunk of a car owned by Lanza's slain mother, [URL="http://www.ctpost.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=newtownshooting&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Nancy+Lanza%22"][COLOR=#0066cc]Nancy Lanza[/COLOR][/URL].
"There's no doubt that the rifle was used solely to kill 26 people in that school," Vance said.
Twenty children ages 7 and under and six female educators were killed when Lanza forced his way into Sandy Hook Elementary School and sprayed the occupants with bullets before turning a gun on himself.
Vance said he made it abundantly clear during his media briefings since the tragedy that Lanza carried out the shooting with the Bushmaster.
"I personally articulated that probably a dozen times in Newtown," Vance said.
The only time Lanza used a handgun at the school was to commit suicide, according to Vance.
The state police went so far as a to issue a news release on Jan. 18 listing the weapons recovered from inside the school, which included the Bushmaster, a Glock 10mm handgun and a Sig-Sauer P226 9mm handgun. An Izhmash Canta-12 12-gauge shotgun was taken from the trunk of the suspect's car.
Sales of AR-15 assault rifles would be banned under the Assault Weapons Ban of 2013, a federal measure that was proposed Thursday and is being sponsored by Connecticut Sens. [URL="http://www.ctpost.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=newtownshooting&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Richard+Blumenthal%22"][COLOR=#0066cc]Richard Blumenthal[/COLOR][/URL] and [URL="http://www.ctpost.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=newtownshooting&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Chris+Murphy%22"][COLOR=#0066cc]Chris Murphy[/COLOR][/URL], as well as Newtown's new U.S. representative, [URL="http://www.ctpost.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=newtownshooting&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Elizabeth+Esty%22"][COLOR=#0066cc]Elizabeth Esty[/COLOR][/URL].
Democratic Rep. [URL="http://www.ctpost.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=newtownshooting&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Jim+Himes%22"][COLOR=#0066cc]Jim Himes[/COLOR][/URL], whose district immediately borders Newtown, is also a co-sponsor.


Read more: [url=http://www.ctpost.com/newtownshooting/article/State-Police-All-26-Newtown-victims-shot-with-4222299.php#ixzz2KllW7hbP]State Police: All 26 Newtown victims shot with assault rifle - Connecticut Post[/url]