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[quote=NC_Skins;991920]Jackie Robinson faced the same sort of speeches that this idiot delivered. Nobody said he didn't have a right to say what he thought, but the 49ers and any other organization has the right to act as they see fit as well.


Free speech doesn't mean their aren't consequences. If you don't believe me, try some of that "free speech" with your wife and see how that works out.[/quote]

FYI... race and sexuality/ sexual preference are two different animals.

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A "man" who likes to have sex with other men should NOT be allowed in a locker room with strait men.

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[quote=skinsfan69;991930]FYI... race and sexuality/ sexual preference are two different animals.[/quote]

Not quite. They're both something that people tend to have no control over. Granted, I don't believe that there's any solid scientific evidence that points towards people being "born" gay, but you can't control your sexual orientation anymore than you can your race.

Have you ever tried to find a guy sexually attractive? Yeah... Pretty impossible. Just like at the end of the day, I can't wish myself white. (Not that I've tried)

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[quote=44ever;991931]A "man" who likes to have sex with other men should be allowed in a locker room with strait men.[/quote]

Why the quotation marks?

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[quote=44ever;991931]A "man" who likes to have sex with other men should NOT be allowed in a locker room with strait men.[/quote]

Why not? Female reporters are allowed in there, also me being in the military gay men can openly serve now. In deployed locations overseas they room with straight men and use the same shower facilities as straight men.

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[quote=redskins5044;991936]Why not? Female reporters are allowed in there, also me being in the military gay men can openly serve now. In deployed locations overseas they room with straight men and use the same shower facilities as straight men.[/quote]

People are under this warped perspective that because a gay man likes to have sex with other gay men, that this must jeopardize the hegemonic heterosexual male.

Excuse me, I must go out and rip apart phone books with my bare hands and plow the hottest woman in the room to assert my masculinity!

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[quote=SmootSmack;991933]Why the quotation marks?[/quote] I wont get into the specifics on here out of respect for the Warpath but the quotations obviously state my opinion on the matter.

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[quote=44ever;991941]I wont get into the specifics on here out of respect for the Warpath but the quotations obviously state my opinion on the matter.[/quote]

Well I had relied to your post before you added "NOT"

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Historically speaking I don't think any team has had more gay players than the Redskins

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[quote=redskins5044;991936]Why not? Female reporters are allowed in there, also me being in the military gay men can openly serve now. In deployed locations overseas they room with straight men and use the same shower facilities as straight men.[/quote]

Well because female reporters are not naked and not after the same part of a man that the gay is after. Thats as nice as I can put it.

As far as the military, that didn't go on in my time. Not openly anyway. And just because it goes on today does not make it right. A strait man should not have to be in a shower with a gay "man" I don't care how much the media is trying to shove it down the throats of the younger generation, its wrong!

The gays should have their own shower an locker facilities. Just as the woman should.

God have mercy on this country...

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[quote=SmootSmack;991942]Well I had relied to your post before you added "NOT"[/quote]

LOL, I cant believe I forgot to put that in there, Oh no! Maybe Im.. Na...

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Ok.

You know what makes me sick, the fact that people dehumanize and emasculate men solely because of who they go to bed with at night or who they love. Its none of your business, nor is it mine, its theirs. You know when it does become my business? When stupid people think that the fall of country is due to someone's sexual orientation. My ass. The fall of the country is due to crazy coots thinking that whoever someone loves has any f'ing bearing on anything other than that person's own life.

This country would be a hell of a lot better if people started worrying more about themselves and less about who Joe Schmo is marrying and how that impacts their life. Because it doesn't.

And before anyone calls me out on saying, "Well everyone's entitled to how they feel". Great. They do. Just like I have no problems coming to the defense of my LGBTQ brethren, as I would if someone thought of blacks as threatening the sanctity of America.

Because there was a point of time that we were.

I might end up getting this thread closed because I'm a loud mouthed, bisexual, black woman but you know what. I don't care.

*drops mic. walks off*

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[quote=DynamiteRave;991946]Ok.

You know what makes me sick, the fact that people dehumanize and emasculate men solely because of who they go to bed with at night or who they love.[B] Its none of your business[/B], nor is it mine, its theirs. You know when it does become my business? When stupid people think that the fall of country is due to someone's sexual orientation. My ass. The fall of the country is due to crazy coots thinking that whoever someone loves has any f'ing bearing on anything other than that person's own life.

This country would be a hell of a lot better if people started worrying more about themselves and less about who Joe Schmo is marrying and how that impacts their life. Because it doesn't.

And before anyone calls me out on saying, "Well everyone's entitled to how they feel". Great. They do. Just like I have no problems coming to the defense of my LGBTQ brethren, as I would if someone thought of blacks as threatening the sanctity of America.

Because there was a point of time that we were.

I might end up getting this thread closed because I'm a loud mouthed, bisexual, black woman but you know what. I don't care.

*drops mic. walks off*[/quote]

Believe me us strait men don't worry about it or care what you all do among yourselves. But why the need for the coming out announcements and the gay parades ect... If your just gay then just be gay and stop advertising. We don't...

And by you I don't mean you personally just in general.

* snapping my finger in a zig zag motion...*

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;991943]Historically speaking I don't think any team has had more gay players than the Redskins[/QUOTE]

I always knew cooley was gay!!

Serious note I think this thread may be going south. Seems like it's getting too personal

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[quote=44ever;991948]Believe me us strait men don't worry about it or care what you all do among yourselves. But why the need for the coming out announcements and the gay parades ect... If your just gay then just be gay and stop advertising. We don't...

And by you I don't mean you personally just in general.

* snapping my finger in a zig zag motion...*[/quote]

I figure its just a way of embracing who you are. I've been to Irishfest two years now over in Wisconsin. They also have German fest over there. There's Greekfest in some cities. There's the black family reunion in DC every year. I think Latinos have something here as well.

It's not meant to be an advertisement as much as a call for the community to come together.

No one should have to live their life in the closet. Straight, gay, black, white or otherwise.

I can respect the people who think its wrong, amoral or what have you because no ones personal values are the same as anyone elses and they shouldn't be. But to embrace hate and discrimination...?

It makes me sad.

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[quote=SmootSmack;991943]Historically speaking I don't think any team has had more gay players than the Redskins[/quote]

Dave Kopay

Jerry Smith

Wade Davis

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Stephen Davis? No.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;991951]I figure its just a way of embracing who you are. I've been to Irishfest two years now over in Wisconsin. They also have German fest over there. There's Greekfest in some cities. There's the black family reunion in DC every year. I think Latinos have something here as well.

It's not meant to be an advertisement as much as a call for the community to come together.

No one should have to live their life in the closet. Straight, gay, black, white or otherwise.

I can respect the people who think its wrong, amoral or what have you because no ones personal values are the same as anyone elses and they shouldn't be. But to embrace hate and discrimination...?

It makes me sad.[/quote]

Well for what its worth, I dont hate you or anyone else. Its just as hard for you to understand the way I feel as it is for me to understand your feelings. have a nice evening

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HOLY CRAP.....Jerry Smith, Gay???
What next....Billy Kilmer?


Well......Jerry did have that long blond hair he used to..........

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[quote=Hog1;991957]HOLY CRAP.....Jerry Smith, Gay???
What next....Billy Kilmer?


Well......Jerry did have that long blond hair he used to..........[/quote]

Pete Rose hair bangs.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;991925]"Hate Speech"? Sorry, didn't realize the thought police were on the patrol.

You, and most of the US adult population, disagree with what he said - but, he is free to say it. You, in turn, are free to call him an ass. To him, or others, however, calling folks with a different viewpoint from yours "an effing insensitive discriminatory idiot" might also qualify as "Hate Speech".

Free speech is free speech and with it you are, in general, free to use hateful speech, unkind speech, vulgar speech, pretty speech, politically correct speech or any of plethora of adjectives you wish to put in front of "speech".

Sorry, the misuse, abuse and misunderstanding of the term "free speech" is a big pet peeve of mine. It is too important a concept to so cavalierly compartmentalized.[/quote]

Question for the forum lawyer, and I'm not referring to the 49er player here. Yelling "fire" in a crowded theater is often referenced as a limitation on free speech, but what about language that incites violence against a person or group? Can that form of speech be muzzled so to speak?

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[quote=The Goat;991959]Question for the forum lawyer, and I'm not referring to the 49er player here. Yelling "fire" in a crowded theater is often referenced as a limitation on free speech, but what about language that incites violence against a person or group? Can that form of speech be muzzled so to speak?[/quote]

Isn't yelling fire in a theater only limited because it endangers the people around them? O_o

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The seminal case on free speech and its limitations is [I]Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire[/I], 315 U.S. 568 (1942):

[quote]There are certain well-defined and narrowly limited classes of speech, the prevention and punishment of which have never been thought to raise any constitutional problem. These include the lewd and obscene, the profane, the libelous, and the insulting or [I]"fighting words" those that by their very utterance inflict injury or tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace[/I]. It has been well observed that such utterances are no essential part of any exposition of ideas, and are of such slight social value as a step to truth that any benefit that may be derived from them is clearly outweighed by the social interest in order and morality.[/quote] (emphasis mine)

Fighting words are not simply words that are "offensive". Further, you can't target specific "fighting words" based on some types of content but not others. In [I]R.A.V. v. City of St. Paul[/I], 505 U.S. 377 (1992), St. Paul passed a statute that said:

[quote]Whoever places on public or private property, a symbol, object, appellation, characterization or graffiti, including, but not limited to, a burning cross or Nazi swastika, which one knows or has reasonable grounds to know arouses anger, alarm or resentment in others on the basis of race, color, creed, religion or gender commits disorderly conduct and shall be guilty of a misdemeanor.[/quote]

The Supreme Court struck it down saying:

[quote]Although the phrase in the ordinance, "arouses anger, alarm or resentment in others," has been limited by the Minnesota Supreme Court's construction to reach only those symbols or displays that amount to "fighting words," the remaining, unmodified terms make clear that the ordinance applies only to "fighting words" that insult, or provoke violence, "on the basis of race, color, creed, religion or gender." Displays containing abusive invective, no matter how vicious or severe, are permissible unless they are addressed to one of the specified disfavored topics. Those who wish to use "fighting words" in connection with other ideas — to express hostility, for example, on the basis of political affiliation, union membership, or homosexuality — are not covered. The First Amendment does not permit St. Paul to impose special prohibitions on those speakers who express views on disfavored subjects.[/quote]

[QUOTE=44ever;991948]Believe me us strait men don't worry about it or care what you all do among yourselves. But why the need for the coming out announcements and the gay parades ect... If your just gay then just be gay and stop advertising. We don't...

And by you I don't mean you personally just in general.

* snapping my finger in a zig zag motion...*[/QUOTE]

Dont speak for me. I am a straight man and I completely disagree with you.

And being straight IS advertised constantly. You are either blind or brainwashed into thinking its not. Gf ans bf from day one. All shows all teaching curriculum all everything advertises being straight you just dont see it.

This is literally the samw argument used by whites against blacks during the civil rights movement and even now.

[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;991954]Dave Kopay

Jerry Smith

Wade Davis[/QUOTE]







[QUOTE=12thMan;991955]Stephen Davis? No.[/QUOTE]

Why does it matter?

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Holy Crap. This thread started off as a kid lighting off a firecracker, and turned into a national forest being burnt down. Damn.

Well first, I honestly don't care about the whole gay rights talk. Not saying I don't like gays, saying that I don't care one way or another if gays can get married or whatever. It doesn't affect me nor my immediate family.

Second, I'm glad this topic came up, I was thinking about making a similar thread when the Te'o story came up. Lets just play the what if game here. So assuming Te'o is gay(and he becomes the first known NFL gay player), how could you see him in an NFL locker room with 52+ other guys getting showered and dressed etc. I would find it pretty hard to believe that a guy like Terrell Suggs or Ed Reed or Pollard for this case would be ok with a guy in the locker room. Those are some guys that I think would be yelling at him for looking their way and telling coaches and GMs "Why is this gay guy on our team?" So right there, he could be a different kind of locker room distraction. Add to that the amount of crap that the gay player would receive when he makes a tackle below the waste and above the knees with players from the other team making fun of that player. Then look at it in the fans perspective of fans of that team getting crap from fans from other teams saying negative derogatory comments about your gay player. Sure there are some players in the league who are fine with gays and gay marriage (and some that are secretly gay), but just know that the negative voices are heard loudest.

Third, I understand completely what Culliver was trying to say, but he worded it wrong, now getting himself into trouble, by putting his team in a negative spot light (especially with his own citys community) right before the super bowl.

Fourth, Smoot, I've always wanted to know if you knew some gay rumored NFL players (even past--like someone said Strahan the other day; I've heard about Ovie Mughelli and I personally thought that Shaun Alexander, Jeff Garcia and John Runyan were gay) You just mentioned that we have had the most gay people on our team. Who would that be?

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Ok, without reading 5 pages I will just answer the question,who cares,we don't play in the NFL and even if we did it's no ones business.

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[quote=hooskins;991963]Dont speak for me. I am a straight man and I completely disagree with you.

And being straight IS advertised constantly. You are either blind or brainwashed into thinking its not. Gf ans bf from day one. All shows all teaching curriculum all everything advertises being straight you just dont see it.

This is literally the samw argument used by whites against blacks during the civil rights movement and even now.[/quote]

No, it is you who are brainwashed. strait is not advertised, it's normal way of life. But like I said, times are changing, and dont involve race in this because its completely a seperate issue. Im a man and I love black women and Im white, nothing wrong with that. Now If I loved Black men, there would be a big difference...

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Sometimes it's better to remain silent and be thought the fool..,

And Cult, I'm not going to out anyone

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quit stealing my line smoot

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Here is my 2 cents....

I a fairly liberal guy and I have proven that in the near decade I have been on here. I also worked in the hospitality industry for decade as well. Seen, worked with, friends with and even my mentor at work was gay. No problems I don't care. 99% of them really nice guy's.

Here is my problem with them and it is in the locker room which warrants the problem that may be in the NFL as well. I understand D-raves point of view but I speaking of homosexual males and males are very visual. I have heard and been in conversations with gay males and they talk about guy's cocks they see at the gym. It was a daily conversation for them just like it is a daily conversation with my buddies to talk about boobs.

I got zero problem with any gays or what they do I just feel uncomfortable with them in the same room with me naked (locker room). Just like I am sure a female would be uncomfortable with males in their locker room leering at them. And no I am not short sighted enough to think every gay guy wants my cock.

With that said I don't think they should not have a parade, get married, be happy, etc...I just simple find it uncomfortable having them in a locker room setting.

[QUOTE=44ever;991972]No, it is you who are brainwashed. strait is not advertised, it's normal way of life. But like I said, times are changing, and dont involve race in this because its completely a seperate issue. Im a man and I love black women and Im white, nothing wrong with that. Now If I loved Black men, there would be a big difference...[/QUOTE]

/facepalm. Wow.....

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Wow...I thought this board had a little more "acceptance" in its bones.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;991915]He didn't inhale either ... or was it swallow?

(Too far?)[/quote]


Bill Clinton approves. :biggthump

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I'll never understand the hang up some people have over what other consenting adults do in the bedroom. Such a waste of time.

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[quote=Mattyk;991986]I'll never understand the hang up some people have over what other consenting adults do in the bedroom. Such a waste of time.[/quote]

Pfffttttt.....you think its really that simple?
gimmeabreak

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[quote=44ever;991972]No, it is you who are brainwashed. strait is not advertised, it's normal way of life. But like I said, times are changing, and dont involve race in this because its completely a seperate issue. Im a man and I love black women and Im white, nothing wrong with that. Now If I loved Black men, there would be a big difference...[/quote]

"it's normal way of life"?? It is the most common and, thus, prevalent in advertising, pop culture, literature and other media. Just because something is uncommon, does not mean it isn't "normal". [I]You[/I] and a substantial number of individuals consider it abnormal for any number of a myriad of reasons. Personally, I find nothing abnormal about homosexual relationships.

Further, from basic human physiology, there is nothing abnormal about it. Some folks are vegitarians, some aren't. Each satisfies a particular physiological appetite (hunger) differently. Neither is "abnormal". Most guys satisfy their physiological appetite for sex with women, some with men and some with either.

I also have never been uncomfortable around gay men in the locker room. The concept that guys are checking you out to me has always been a big "so what". I did theater in both college and later in community theater settings. Back in the day (and I assume it is true still), the gay/straight ratio was practically the reverse of the rest of society. It was pretty much the assumption, "oh, your a guy in theater you must be gay." Just like in the straight population - the vast majority of the guys were cool if you made it clear you didn't play on their team. Of course, some were real jerks. It never bothered me as long as they didn't cross the line. Ultimately, however, a douche is a douche is a douche whether they are hitting on men or women.

I get, but shake my head at, people uncomfortable around gays in a locker room.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;992001]Pfffttttt.....you think its really that simple?
gimmeabreak[/quote]

Yeah at the end of the day it really is that simple.

What's so complicated about it?

Live and let live. Worry more about yourself and less about what everyone else is doing.

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[quote=Mattyk;991986]I'll never understand the hang up some people have over what other consenting adults do in the bedroom. Such a waste of time.[/quote]

I really don't think this thread is about that. Its more about gay men in a locker room with other men. I personally can see how another male might not like sharing a bathroom and showers with a gay male. If its right or wrong I can understand. Not sure why that is so hard for other people to see. Its one thing to allow gays a normal life style but when your asking other men to share personal space you then need to also take their feeling into consideration. What the player said was not that bad but how he said it was not very good.

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[quote=Mattyk;991986]I'll never understand the hang up some people have over what other consenting adults do in the bedroom. Such a waste of time.[/quote]

Well, to play devil's advocate, the issue isn't what they are doing in the bedroom, but, rather, what they might be doing and <gasp> thinking in the locker room.

Hey 44, they want you man ... they really, really want you. Desparetely. :doh:

Seriously, if a gay wants to check you out, he doesn't need a locker room to do it.