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FRPLG 02-06-2013 12:25 PM

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[quote=Evilgrin;993371]Demaurice Smith came in talking a big game, didn't back it up at all. The deals Upshaw made seem like hitting the lottery in comparison.[/quote]

Upshaw and Tags had a good relationship and everyone seemed to understand that working together was better for all rather than trying to squeeze one more percent from the other guy. In essence...it became a union/employer thing.

JoeRedskin 02-06-2013 01:19 PM

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[quote=FRPLG;993366]No there still is a floor. But if a team isn't going to spend to the cap anyways then what does adding space to their limit matter? So yeah the players most likely lost out on some money overall.[/quote]

One of the (many) BS aspects of the penalties is that we supposedly violated the collusive agreement not to take advantage of a cap less year. Yet, many owners benefitted by spending well under the would be cap floor during the non-capped year. I didn't see any of them getting penalized for violating
"the spirit of the salary cap" or taking "advantage of a one-year loophole."
[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/25/mara-says-redskins-cowboys-are-lucky-they-didnt-lose-draft-picks/]Mara says Redskins, Cowboys are lucky they didn’t lose draft picks | ProFootballTalk[/url]

So, it was okay to take advantage of the cap less year in a manner that immediately harmed the players, BUT, it was not okay to take advantage of it in a way that would ultimately benefit the players (by giving more money to spend to the owners who actually spend it).

Mara is a douche.

SBXVII 02-06-2013 01:54 PM

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;993211]SBXVII,

Don't take this the wrong way, but you are way overthinking this.



So 107,741+18 = 125,741 projected redskins assigned expenses
120,600 = projected cap allowed number
therefore the Skins are 5,141M over right now


The 18Mill is just a number on a spreadsheet. DS didn't pay it out of his pocket per se. In fact you could say since his available cap is less he may have less cash outlay so his need to raise prices might be less. Personally I don't the two have any connection, but it seemed like you were looking at it like a pass the penalty onto the fans type deal, and that's not right at all.[/quote]

No, thank you for explaining it. I looked at the first post and after some changes they had us at 19 mill below the cap. Thats not 19 mill to spend because we have to account for the 18 mill penalty. The other thing I didn't know was how far below our cap we were.

BigHairedAristocrat 02-06-2013 02:00 PM

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[quote=bigant;993338]Bottom line ,does anybody know who we are looking at in free agency with the little amount of money we have left? hopefully somebody that can help us i hope......... Dam losing that money stills stinks thou......[/quote]

Based on the information provided above, i think the answer to your question is, "no one signficant." I imagine this years offseason moves will make the brandon merriweather signing look like a blockbuster deal.

BigHairedAristocrat 02-06-2013 02:02 PM

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[quote=JoeRedskin;993377]One of the (many) BS aspects of the penalties is that we supposedly violated the collusive agreement not to take advantage of a cap less year. Yet, many owners benefitted by spending well under the would be cap floor during the non-capped year. I didn't see any of them getting penalized for violating
"the spirit of the salary cap" or taking "advantage of a one-year loophole."
[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/25/mara-says-redskins-cowboys-are-lucky-they-didnt-lose-draft-picks/]Mara says Redskins, Cowboys are lucky they didn’t lose draft picks | ProFootballTalk[/url]

So, it was okay to take advantage of the cap less year in a manner that immediately harmed the players, BUT, it was not okay to take advantage of it in a way that would ultimately benefit the players (by giving more money to spend to the owners who actually spend it).

Mara is a douche.[/quote]

He should have his eyes taped open and be forced to watch the love scenes in girl with the dragon tattoo over and over for 24 hours straight.

JoeRedskin 02-06-2013 02:08 PM

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;993386]He should have his eyes taped open and be forced to [b]watch the love scenes in girl with the dragon tattoo over and over for 24 hours straight.[/b][/quote]

Nope. RGIII's 2012 highlight reel on endless loop.

SBXVII 02-06-2013 02:16 PM

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;993333]First of all, i think your analogy is crude and inappropriate for this site. Its certainly not the type of thing i want to read when i come here, especially when im at work.

Secondly, the 36 million didnt disappear. the cap dollars the league took away from the skins and the other 3 penalized teams was evenly distributed among the entire league. The only reason the Union supported the penalty, was because the league told them the penalty was the only way they'd allow the cap to stay "flat" as opposed to decreasing, which woul dhave made the union look bad.

You see, the current union leadership told the players that the cap would continue to go up by something like 10% a year, like it had been in previous years. However, under the new CBA, the cap isnt going up and isnt expected ot any time soon. If the had gone DOWN, in the first year after the new CBA was signed, the union would have faced a mutiny. The penalties against the 4 teams allowed the owners to be vindictive against teams that refused to illegally collude against the players, and it allowed the union (who was supposed to represent the players interests) to save face against their constituents.

Ultimately, the players are the ones getting screwed by all of this. The league has deceived them time and time again and its own union is weak and doesnt represent their interests.[/quote]

I wonder what would have happened if the NFLPA said no we won't sign the agreement. Yeah the NFL threatened to reduce the CAP but by how much for each team? Also one would think the players would have been up in arms had the NFL came out after just getting over a hold out and said "Oops, sorry we have to lower the CAP." For what reason? I'd also think that would be a breach of the contract they just agreed to. NFL punishes the two teams there would be proof of collusion.

I think the NFLPA should have said no thank you and then said try to lower the CAP now less then 6 months after you agreed to pay the amount.

CRedskinsRule 02-06-2013 02:41 PM

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[quote=JoeRedskin;993388]Nope. RGIII's 2012 highlight reel on endless loop.[/quote]

I still think Mara wanted nothing more than to stop us from getting Griffin, and when he couldn't make up something with draft picks he went the cap penalty route.

skinsguy 02-06-2013 02:56 PM

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;993391]I still think Mara wanted nothing more than to stop us from getting Griffin, and when he couldn't make up something with draft picks he went the cap penalty route.[/quote]

Yeah, I just find it very sketchy with how Mara handled this, as well as most Redskins fans would. The fact that nothing was said, supposedly, until a few hours before free agency started was just very telling in my opinion. It would be very hard to convince me that it was all mere coincidence that the 'skins would be notified about such violation just hours before free agency. Everything points to a hatchet job to me, and it's great knowing that it kind of blew up in Mara's face. The Giants didn't win the division, didn't even make the playoffs, the Redskins got their quarterback, won the division, and made the playoffs. Also the fact that the two teams that were penalized were the two teams at the end of the season battling it out for the division crown and a playoff spot. Serves Mara right for being so devious.

Schneed10 02-06-2013 03:28 PM

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;993359]There is a salary cap but not a salary floor. Didn't some of the cheapskate owners stay well under the salary cap last season?

Dan Snyder and Jerry Jones would have spent right up to their cap numbers to get better players. Some of the other owners would not and, I think, did not.

The players got screwed, afterall.[/quote]

Good point. THe Redskins and Cowboys should point this out to De Smith. Might be a pertinent point in the fight with the league. Even if moot it's worth a shot.

CRedskinsRule 02-06-2013 03:57 PM

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I remember at the time it happened there were heresay stories of BA having long discussions with DeSmith. I think that point was already made, but DeSmith saw an opportunity to get a collusion case re-opened and went for the golden goose. Honestly, if Doty had even given any discovery to the NFLPA, it would have made any small % loss this year looked like chump change.

BigHairedAristocrat 02-07-2013 10:33 AM

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;993391]I still think Mara wanted nothing more than to stop us from getting Griffin, and when he couldn't make up something with draft picks he went the cap penalty route.[/quote]

Mara has gone on record as saying he wanted to take draft picks. Still, the salary cap penalty helped us get Griffin, if anything. Had we not had the 18MM penalty, we might have tried more aggresively to sign Manning instead of RGIII. Since rookies are paid so little, a salary cap penalty wouldnt hinder us from signing RGIII or any other draft pick.

BigHairedAristocrat 02-07-2013 10:36 AM

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[quote=SBXVII;993389]I wonder what would have happened if the NFLPA said no we won't sign the agreement. Yeah the NFL threatened to reduce the CAP but by how much for each team? Also one would think the players would have been up in arms had the NFL came out after just getting over a hold out and said "Oops, sorry we have to lower the CAP." For what reason? I'd also think that would be a breach of the contract they just agreed to. NFL punishes the two teams there would be proof of collusion.

I think the NFLPA should have said no thank you and then said try to lower the CAP now less then 6 months after you agreed to pay the amount.[/quote]

It would have been interesting if the NFLPA had had the balls to do what you suggest, but i'm pretty sure DSmith would have been voted out of office immediately had the cap gone down at all. Even if it wasnt significant, it would have completely eliminated any confidence the players had in him.

Still, its not like the NFLPA could have gotten a better deal - they had no leverage. Due primarily to the financial irresponsibility of so many players, the union simply could not afford to miss any games and the league knew, and exploited that fact.

CultBrennan59 02-07-2013 11:50 AM

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980 is saying we've released Jammal Brown. Cue the Hallejuah youtube clip.

Skinzman 02-14-2013 05:06 PM

Re: Redskins 2013 Salary Cap Status
 
[quote=SBXVII;993389]I wonder what would have happened if the NFLPA said no we won't sign the agreement. Yeah the NFL threatened to reduce the CAP but by how much for each team? Also one would think the players would have been up in arms had the NFL came out after just getting over a hold out and said "Oops, sorry we have to lower the CAP." For what reason? I'd also think that would be a breach of the contract they just agreed to. NFL punishes the two teams there would be proof of collusion.

I think the NFLPA should have said no thank you and then said try to lower the CAP now less then 6 months after you agreed to pay the amount.[/quote]

Dont come over to this section much and I realize that this is a week late. But the NFL cant lower the salary cap on the NFLPA, it is done by a formula that has been negotiated between the two. The salary cap was going down automatically due to the new CBA. What happened was the player percent of money went down due to the CBA having a smaller cut for the players. (Players money went from something like a 56% to 50% of overall money. Not sure of exact numbers).

IE.. These numbers arent real, just using easier than the real numbers to show the example. I also doubt the formula is this simple, im only using the basics of it.

Say the NFL makes 10 bil per year total. The players percentage is 60%. So they take 10 bil and divide by 60% giving 6 bil to the players. They then divide that by 32 teams, and thats the salary cap. 6 bil divided by 32 is the individual team cap, 187.5 mil per team. Say the new CBA drops the player share to 50%. So now we take 50% of 10 bil, or 5 bil for the players. Divide that by 32 and that is the new cap of 156.25 mil per team. Thats where the lowering of the cap comes from, the players getting a smaller percentage of the revenues than they had in the previous CBA without the revenues rising to make up for it.

Since the cap was going down, DeMaurice went to the NFL and asked if some future money could be moved from later years to this years cap to keep it from going down. The new TV agreements are already negotiated so the cap is expected to rise in 2015 or 2016 when those go into effect. When the NFLPA asked to have money moved forward, thats when Goodell and Mara hit the union with yes we will do that as long as you agree to the sanctioning of the teams we want. The union agreed.

Schneed10 02-14-2013 08:48 PM

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[quote=Skinzman;994305]Dont come over to this section much and I realize that this is a week late. But the NFL cant lower the salary cap on the NFLPA, it is done by a formula that has been negotiated between the two. The salary cap was going down automatically due to the new CBA. What happened was the player percent of money went down due to the CBA having a smaller cut for the players. (Players money went from something like a 56% to 50% of overall money. Not sure of exact numbers).

IE.. These numbers arent real, just using easier than the real numbers to show the example. I also doubt the formula is this simple, im only using the basics of it.

Say the NFL makes 10 bil per year total. The players percentage is 60%. So they take 10 bil and divide by 60% giving 6 bil to the players. They then divide that by 32 teams, and thats the salary cap. 6 bil divided by 32 is the individual team cap, 187.5 mil per team. Say the new CBA drops the player share to 50%. So now we take 50% of 10 bil, or 5 bil for the players. Divide that by 32 and that is the new cap of 156.25 mil per team. Thats where the lowering of the cap comes from, the players getting a smaller percentage of the revenues than they had in the previous CBA without the revenues rising to make up for it.

Since the cap was going down, DeMaurice went to the NFL and asked if some future money could be moved from later years to this years cap to keep it from going down. The new TV agreements are already negotiated so the cap is expected to rise in 2015 or 2016 when those go into effect. When the NFLPA asked to have money moved forward, thats when Goodell and Mara hit the union with yes we will do that as long as you agree to the sanctioning of the teams we want. The union agreed.[/quote]

Good insight. Come over to this section more often!

mbedner3420 02-14-2013 09:02 PM

Re: Redskins 2013 Salary Cap Status
 
[quote=CultBrennan59;993545]980 is saying we've released Jammal Brown. Cue the Hallejuah youtube clip.[/quote]

I thought his contract expired last Friday?

CultBrennan59 02-14-2013 09:12 PM

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[quote=mbedner3420;994321]I thought his contract expired last Friday?[/quote]

That's when I posted it. But is it official? Because I haven't seen reports saying his officially been cut.

mbedner3420 02-14-2013 09:17 PM

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[quote=CultBrennan59;994322]That's when I posted it. But is it official? Because I haven't seen reports saying his officially been cut.[/quote]

Wow I really wish I caught that before I posted my comment lol.

SkinzWin 02-15-2013 08:18 AM

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[quote=Skinzman;994305]Dont come over to this section much and I realize that this is a week late. But the NFL cant lower the salary cap on the NFLPA, it is done by a formula that has been negotiated between the two. The salary cap was going down automatically due to the new CBA. What happened was the player percent of money went down due to the CBA having a smaller cut for the players. (Players money went from something like a 56% to 50% of overall money. Not sure of exact numbers).

IE.. These numbers arent real, just using easier than the real numbers to show the example. I also doubt the formula is this simple, im only using the basics of it.

Say the NFL makes 10 bil per year total. The players percentage is 60%. So they take 10 bil and divide by 60% giving 6 bil to the players. They then divide that by 32 teams, and thats the salary cap. 6 bil divided by 32 is the individual team cap, 187.5 mil per team. Say the new CBA drops the player share to 50%. So now we take 50% of 10 bil, or 5 bil for the players. Divide that by 32 and that is the new cap of 156.25 mil per team. Thats where the lowering of the cap comes from, the players getting a smaller percentage of the revenues than they had in the previous CBA without the revenues rising to make up for it.

Since the cap was going down, DeMaurice went to the NFL and asked if some future money could be moved from later years to this years cap to keep it from going down. The new TV agreements are already negotiated so the cap is expected to rise in 2015 or 2016 when those go into effect. When the NFLPA asked to have money moved forward, thats when Goodell and Mara hit the union with yes we will do that as long as you agree to the sanctioning of the teams we want. The union agreed.[/quote]

Either that's not true or your math is wrong. Cap for this year is in the low 120's. I think I heard $122 mil.

edit:

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000117300/article/franchise-tag-numbers-tentatively-set-2013-cap-near-121m]Franchise tag numbers tentatively set; 2013 cap near $121M - NFL.com[/url]

SkinzWin 02-15-2013 08:22 AM

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CrazyCanuck, this is your area of expertise. Set the record straight?

CRedskinsRule 02-15-2013 09:31 AM

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[quote=SkinzWin;994349]Either that's not true or your math is wrong. Cap for this year is in the low 120's. I think I heard $122 mil.

edit:

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000117300/article/franchise-tag-numbers-tentatively-set-2013-cap-near-121m]Franchise tag numbers tentatively set; 2013 cap near $121M - NFL.com[/url][/quote]

He said that he was using hypothetical numbers that made the math example easier. He was not speaking to the specifics of this year.

[quote=Skinzman;994305]Dont come over to this section much and I realize that this is a week late. But the NFL cant lower the salary cap on the NFLPA, it is done by a formula that has been negotiated between the two. The salary cap was going down automatically due to the new CBA. What happened was the player percent of money went down due to the CBA having a smaller cut for the players. (Players money went from something like a 56% to 50% of overall money. Not sure of exact numbers).

[B]IE.. These numbers arent real, just using easier than the real numbers to show the example. [/B]I also doubt the formula is this simple, im only using the basics of it.

...[/quote]

CrazyCanuck 02-15-2013 12:50 PM

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The old CBA numbers (from [URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/salary-cap-central/22635-the-warpath-presents-salary-cap-101-a.html"]http://www.thewarpath.net/salary-cap-central/22635-the-warpath-presents-salary-cap-101-a.html[/URL]):

[quote][B]What is the salary cap?[/B]
- The salary cap is the max amount that NFL teams can spend on their players in a given year. In basic terms, the salary cap is set at 58% of total league revenues (TLR). To calculate the salary cap for an individual team the calculation would be: (TLR * 0.58) / 32 (teams). The salary cap for 2008 is $116M per team.

[B]Is there a minimum salary cap?[/B]
- Yes. Each team must spend at least 85% of the salary cap on its players. This ensures that the players always receive at least 50% of the total revenue pie. So depending on how thrifty the owners are, the players will receive between 50% and 58% of total league revenues in any given year.[/quote]

Here's a link to the major economic changes in the new CBA:

[URL="http://ht.cdn.turner.com/si/images/2011/07/25/New_2011_Deal_Summary_7.pdf"]http://ht.cdn.turner.com/si/images/2011/07/25/New_2011_Deal_Summary_7.pdf[/URL]

The numbers are a little confusing, have to read through more but at first glance it seems like the 58%/50% numbers from the old CBA above have been changed to 55%/47%. Also the 85% min cap has been raised to 89%. Seems like the players are getting a smaller piece of a bigger pie, with some new benefits thrown in.

SkinzWin 02-15-2013 01:43 PM

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;994363]He said that he was using hypothetical numbers that made the math example easier. He was not speaking to the specifics of this year.[/quote]

I conveniently missed that very important sentence. My bad. I don't think the NFLPA has been doing the players much good recently. Okay reduction in % players get, okay cap penalties on redskins and cowboys in an "uncapped year". D Smith must make the the players want Gene back badly.

KERRAKPO9198 02-22-2013 02:38 PM

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Good information in here.

Schneed10 03-02-2013 08:20 AM

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With the news that the 2013 salary cap is coming in at $123M instead of the expected $121M, the Redskins effectively pick up $2.0M in cap space. The numbers below have been updated to reflect that.

Also, upon further reflection, I'm revising the anticipated cost of resigning Fred Davis. Coming off a major injury like that, and given that he's only had one really impressive season, he shouldn't command a contract that would generate a $5M cap hit ($4.5 once net of the replacement) in year 1 of the contract. I'll go with $2.5M hit in year 1. That could still give him a hefty payday with solid guarantees, but it won't pay him at the pro bowl level like I had him at.

Information can always improve. All figures presented in millions.

[B]2013 Redskins Cap Room (Overage): ($3.1)[/B]

[U]Roster Cuts or Restructures:[/U]
DeAngelo Hall $7.5
Santana Moss $3.7
London Fletcher (retirement?) $2.7
Josh Wilson $3.2
Jamaal Brown $0.2
Adam Carriker $2.2
[B]Maximum Cap Space Created through Cuts or Restructures: $19.5[/B]

[U]Priority Resignings/Replacements:[/U]
Fred Davis or similar TE: ($2.5)
Kory Lichtensteiger: ($2.5)
Darrel Young: ($1.0)
Logan Paulsen: ($0.6)
Lorenzo Alexander: ($1.8)
Nick Sundberg or similar LS: ($0.3)
Rob Jackson: ($1.6)
Sav Rocca or similar P: ($0.4)
Tyler Polumbus: ($1.1)
[B]Cap Space Required for Resignings/Replacements ($11.8)[/B]

[B]Rookie Pool Impact ($0.5)[/B]

[B]Anticipated Cap Space Available for Free Agency: $4.1[/B]

Schneed10 03-02-2013 08:23 AM

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I couldn't update the OP in this thread. Mods, what do you think is better? Is it better to have the OP continuously updated to reflect the latest? In that case, you lose the trail of changes along the way as I make them.

Or is it better to keep the trail, and just have me add posts at the end like this when I make a change? You keep the trail, but users have to know to search for the latest throughout the thread.

I leave the decision how to handle in your capable hands.

That Guy 03-02-2013 08:38 AM

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thanks for the update. i think getting davis back makes the most sense. he's been here, he's better than the other options in FA/draft and he's not a whole lot more in year one than a replacement (cap wise).

I'd be okay with hall, moss, and fletcher walking. it sucks, but an 18M hit isn't minor. if we can't get anything back there'll be a few hard choices this season.

skinsnut 03-02-2013 10:49 AM

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[quote=Schneed10;996136]With the news that the 2013 salary cap is coming in at $123M instead of the expected $121M, the Redskins effectively pick up $2.0M in cap space. The numbers below have been updated to reflect that.

Also, upon further reflection, I'm revising the anticipated cost of resigning Fred Davis. Coming off a major injury like that, and given that he's only had one really impressive season, he shouldn't command a contract that would generate a $5M cap hit ($4.5 once net of the replacement) in year 1 of the contract. I'll go with $2.5M hit in year 1. That could still give him a hefty payday with solid guarantees, but it won't pay him at the pro bowl level like I had him at.

Information can always improve. All figures presented in millions.

[B]2013 Redskins Cap Room (Overage): ($3.1)[/B]

[U]Roster Cuts or Restructures:[/U]
DeAngelo Hall $7.5
Santana Moss $3.7
London Fletcher (retirement?) $2.7
Josh Wilson $3.2
Jamaal Brown $0.2
Adam Carriker $2.2
[B]Maximum Cap Space Created through Cuts or Restructures: $19.5[/B]

[U]Priority Resignings/Replacements:[/U]
Fred Davis or similar TE: ($2.5)
Kory Lichtensteiger: ($2.5)
Darrel Young: ($1.0)
Logan Paulsen: ($0.6)
Lorenzo Alexander: ($1.8)
Nick Sundberg or similar LS: ($0.3)
Rob Jackson: ($1.6)
Sav Rocca or similar P: ($0.4)
Tyler Polumbus: ($1.1)
[B]Cap Space Required for Resignings/Replacements ($11.8)[/B]

[B]Rookie Pool Impact ($0.5)[/B]

[B]Anticipated Cap Space Available for Free Agency: $4.1[/B][/quote]

Hmm...how is it possible to replace 2 starting CB (Hall + Wilson) for 4.1M?
I just don't see how this would work. We need starting CBs more than a starting TE or LG..I just don't understand how we can keep Wilson and replace/restructure Hall for 4.1M.

PS...great work at usual!

CultBrennan59 03-02-2013 11:57 AM

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So a few weeks ago I posted that Jammal Brown had been cut, per ESPN 980. I went to Redskins.com, and he's still listed on the team.

So to any insider or cap person on this site, can you tell me whats the deal with this guy and is he counting to our salary cap right now and/or is he going to help our cap if cut or hurt it?

NYCskinfan82 03-02-2013 02:08 PM

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I beleive cuts aren't official until March 12th.

Schneed10 03-02-2013 08:03 PM

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[quote=skinsnut;996162]Hmm...how is it possible to replace 2 starting CB (Hall + Wilson) for 4.1M?
I just don't see how this would work. We need starting CBs more than a starting TE or LG..I just don't understand how we can keep Wilson and replace/restructure Hall for 4.1M.

PS...great work at usual![/quote]

You're misreading me. I'm saying that after making all the moves I listed, they'd have $4.1M in cap space, including restructures of D Hall and J Wilson (that first section is not necessarily cuts).

CrazyCanuck 03-02-2013 08:56 PM

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[quote=Schneed10;996137]I couldn't update the OP in this thread. Mods, what do you think is better? Is it better to have the OP continuously updated to reflect the latest? In that case, you lose the trail of changes along the way as I make them.

Or is it better to keep the trail, and just have me add posts at the end like this when I make a change? You keep the trail, but users have to know to search for the latest throughout the thread.

I leave the decision how to handle in your capable hands.[/quote]

I updated the original post with your latest March 2 update. I can do this in the future as well.

I think it's better this way, otherwise everyone has to keep quoting your latest update and the thread gets long. This way everyone can check the first post for latest updates, and make comments in the thread to discuss further.

Great work as always Schneed.

diehardskin2982 03-02-2013 09:13 PM

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Could we extend Josh Morgan? Lower his cap number this year then add another year on his contract...

artmonkforhallofamein07 03-02-2013 10:01 PM

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I would be for giving him some more gaurnteed jack to get his number down, and keep him for a couple more years.

Schneed10 03-09-2013 02:48 PM

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We've got a little bit of news that has trickled in over the last few days.

- The cap came in at $123.0 instead of the $120.6 as expected.

- Jamaal Brown is gone as expected.

- Darrell Young has been resigned as expected. He signs a 3 year deal with a $1M signing bonus. Base salaries not immediately known.

- Logan Paulsen has just been resigned by the team, as expected, to a three year deal. Because contract terms are not yet available at this point, I won't change the cap hit I had in place for him ($1.0M less the $400K replacement player). I'll update as soon as info comes available - feel free to link me to news on Paulsen or Young's financial terms and I'll update this.

- London Fletcher has announced his intent to return, and per John Keim at the Examiner the Redskins will not ask him to take a paycut (right thing to do). So I'm taking him off the restructure list.

[B]2013 Redskins Cap Room (Overage) At Start: ($2.7)[/B]

[U]Moves Made to Date:[/U]
Released Jamaal Brown $0.2
Resigned Darrell Young ($1.0) [I]temporary assumption[/I]
Resigned Logan Paulsen ($0.6) [I]temporary assumption[/I]

[B]2013 Redskins Cap Room (Overage) Current: ($4.1)[/B]

[U]Roster Cuts or Restructures:[/U]
DeAngelo Hall $7.5
Santana Moss $3.7
Josh Wilson $3.2
[U]Adam Carriker $2.2[/U]
Maximum Cap Space Created through Cuts or Restructures: $16.6

[U]Priority Resignings/Replacements:[/U]
Fred Davis or similar TE: ($2.5)
Kory Lichtensteiger: ($2.5)
Lorenzo Alexander: ($1.8)
Nick Sundberg or similar LS: ($0.3)
Rob Jackson: ($1.6)
Sav Rocca or similar P: ($0.4)
[U]Tyler Polumbus: ($1.1)[/U]
Cap Space Required for Resignings/Replacements ($10.2)

Rookie Pool Impact ($0.5)

[B]Anticipated Cap Space Available for Free Agency: $1.8[/B]

MTK 03-09-2013 03:30 PM

Re: Redskins 2013 Salary Cap Status
 
Joel Corry ‏@corryjoel
Logan Paulsen's 3-year deal is worth a max of $7M w/incentives & escalators. His signing bonus is $1.1M. The 3rd yr voids based on playtime.

Rich Tandler ‏@Rich_TandlerCSN
Cap hit from Logan's deal probably $973K assuming he's getting 4th-year min this year. Will add $493K to cap after removing one from top 51

Schneed10 03-09-2013 04:16 PM

Re: Redskins 2013 Salary Cap Status
 
Good stuff Matty thanks. I was off by $0.1M on him. I need to up my game.

[B]2013 Redskins Cap Room (Overage) At Start: ($2.7)[/B]

[U]Moves Made to Date:[/U]
Released Jamaal Brown $0.2
Resigned Darrell Young ($1.0) temporary assumption
Resigned Logan Paulsen ($0.5)

[B]2013 Redskins Cap Room (Overage) Current: ($4.0)[/B]

[U]Roster Cuts or Restructures:[/U]
DeAngelo Hall $7.5
Santana Moss $3.7
Josh Wilson $3.2
[U]Adam Carriker $2.2[/U]
Maximum Cap Space Created through Cuts or Restructures: $16.6

[U]Priority Resignings/Replacements:[/U]
Fred Davis or similar TE: ($2.5)
Kory Lichtensteiger: ($2.5)
Lorenzo Alexander: ($1.8)
Nick Sundberg or similar LS: ($0.3)
Rob Jackson: ($1.6)
Sav Rocca or similar P: ($0.4)
[U]Tyler Polumbus: ($1.1)[/U]
Cap Space Required for Resignings/Replacements ($10.2)

Rookie Pool Impact ($0.5)

[B]Anticipated Cap Space Available for Free Agency: $1.9[/B]

Schneed10 03-09-2013 05:44 PM

Re: Redskins 2013 Salary Cap Status
 
Moving fast and furious. Rob Jackson resigns for one year. Word is per Redskins Insider it's more cap friendly than the $1.3M tender he otherwise would have. If that proves to be the case, then I had overestimated the cost on Jackson. This gives us $0.8M more space than I had thought.

[B]2013 Redskins Cap Room (Overage) At Start: ($2.7)[/B]

[U]Moves Made to Date:[/U]
Released Jamaal Brown $0.2
Resigned Darrell Young ($1.0) temporary assumption
Resigned Logan Paulsen ($0.5)
Rob Jackson: ($0.8)

[B]2013 Redskins Cap Room (Overage) Current: ($4.8)[/B]

[U]Roster Cuts or Restructures:[/U]
DeAngelo Hall $7.5
Santana Moss $3.7
Josh Wilson $3.2
[U]Adam Carriker $2.2[/U]
Maximum Cap Space Created through Cuts or Restructures: $16.6

[U]Priority Resignings/Replacements:[/U]
Fred Davis or similar TE: ($2.5)
Kory Lichtensteiger: ($2.5)
Lorenzo Alexander: ($1.8)
Nick Sundberg or similar LS: ($0.3)
Sav Rocca or similar P: ($0.4)
[U]Tyler Polumbus: ($1.1)[/U]
Cap Space Required for Resignings/Replacements ($8.6)

Rookie Pool Impact ($0.5)

[B]Anticipated Cap Space Available for Free Agency: $2.7[/B]

Schneed10 03-10-2013 08:30 AM

Re: Redskins 2013 Salary Cap Status
 
March 10, update. Lichtensteiger signs. Financial terms not yet available, so if someone hears something please post here, still waiting on terms for D Young too.

[B]2013 Redskins Cap Room (Overage) At Start: ($2.7)[/B]

[U]Moves Made to Date:[/U]
Released Jamaal Brown $0.2
Resigned Darrell Young ($1.0) [I]temporary assumption[/I]
Resigned Logan Paulsen ($0.5)
Rob Jackson: ($0.8)
Kory Lichtensteiger: ($2.5) [I]temporary assumption[/I]

[B]2013 Redskins Cap Room (Overage) Current: ($7.3)[/B]

[U]Roster Cuts or Restructures:[/U]
DeAngelo Hall $7.5
Santana Moss $3.7
Josh Wilson $3.2
[U]Adam Carriker $2.2[/U]
Maximum Cap Space Created through Cuts or Restructures: $16.6

[U]Priority Resignings/Replacements:[/U]
Fred Davis or similar TE: ($2.5)
Lorenzo Alexander: ($1.8)
Nick Sundberg or similar LS: ($0.3)
Sav Rocca or similar P: ($0.4)
[U]Tyler Polumbus: ($1.1)[/U]
Cap Space Required for Resignings/Replacements ($6.1)

Rookie Pool Impact ($0.5)

[B]Anticipated Cap Space Available for Free Agency: $2.7[/B]


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