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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1001034]but brady only did that after making his mega millions, and in fact by restructuring got more this year just less in salary cap hits. It was funny to listen to radio the day after his signing as the media realized that TB was not being the generous saint that initial reports made him out to be.

When Griffins contract comes up we will be paying him probably 20 to 25 percent of our cap (especially if he has a SB victory on his resume). That's most likely reality.[/quote]

That's exactly what I'm saying. Brady is getting his money but in a cap friendly deal. That's what I hope RG3 does. I want RG3 to get paid. He deserves it. I just hope they can work out a deal like the pats did that is cap friendly and pays RG3

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[quote=donofriose;1001035]That's exactly what I'm saying. Brady is getting his money but in a cap friendly deal. That's what I hope RG3 does. I want RG3 to get paid. He deserves it. I just hope they can work out a deal like the pats did that is cap friendly and pays RG3[/quote]

Gotcha.I think the biggest problem there, is Luck, Griffin, and maybe Wilson - though his deal is probably one year shorter, will all come due at same time, and I think there will be some serious competition about having the highest paid contract. (of course this assumes that Griffin stays healthy and Luck lowers his INT rate)

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Seems like a fair deal for both sides. He's earned the contract.

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[quote=Mattyk;1001003]Just an absurd deal. One playoff win gets you that kind of money?

Insane.[/quote]

What were the options? To me Romo is good enough to keep his job, there's no one on the street or in the draft that's better, but he's not good enough when Dallas needs him in the most important games. Jerry Jones was in a tough spot.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1001038]What were the options? To me Romo is good enough to keep his job, there's no one on the street or in the draft that's better, but he's not good enough when Dallas needs him in the most important games. Jerry Jones was in a tough spot.[/quote]

I don't have a problem with them re-signing him but the money is ridiculous.

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[quote=Mattyk;1001039]I don't have a problem with them re-signing him but the money is ridiculous.[/quote]

Yeah this is how I see it.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;1001039]I don't have a problem with them re-signing him but the money is ridiculous.[/QUOTE]

Pretty much, he's not bad he just can't win in December. I'm curious what cowgirls fans are thinking, figured sandtrap would have trolled through by now. I hope Jerruh lives forever he is such a great gm!

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Well, all I know is that I almost got into a fight this morning at the Circle K here in El Paso (just outside ft bliss). I was buying my coffee, and I saw a news roller that is supposed to be for the lotteries roll the news that the cowboys just paid 108 mil for Tony Romo, and 55 mil was guaranteed. I started laughing my ass off, almost to the point of crying. There were 3 guys behind me that asked me what was wrong, so I told them how happy I was that the cowboys are a bunch of ****ing retards signing Romo for that much. Needless to say, words were exchanged, lol. I only wish I was wearing my RG3 jersey at the time.

LOL

[QUOTE=Giantone;1001033]Ok, why?[/QUOTE]

Because everyone hates on Dallas, doesn't matter who plays for them.

Before Griffin, I would have taken romo in a heartbeat over what we had

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1001060]Because everyone hates on Dallas, doesn't matter who plays for them.

Before Griffin, I would have taken romo in a heartbeat over what we had[/quote]


I was'nt being a smartass, IMHO....Romo has had every opportunity to win ,he has had good players around him and still when it matters most he comes up short, he's had running backs ,receivers, TE's and a good D to go along with his regular season stats, he has even had some very good coach's ...Parcells, Wade Phillips I'll stop there but he has not proven to be worth what they just did, not even close.

[QUOTE=Giantone;1001062]I was'nt being a smartass, IMHO....Romo has had every opportunity to win ,he has had good players around him and still when it matters most he comes up short, he's had running backs ,receivers, TE's and a good D to go along with his regular season stats, he has even had some very good coach's ...Parcells, Wade Phillips I'll stop there but he has not proven to be worth what they just did, not even close.[/QUOTE]

No I don't think he's worth 55 million but who else would they go get? There is no qbs in the draft worth a top pick and none in FA. Qbs are overpaid it's just how the league is.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1001060]Because everyone hates on Dallas, doesn't matter who plays for them.

Before Griffin, I would have taken romo in a heartbeat over what we had[/quote]

Dallas is pretty polarizing. They get plenty of undeserved love as well as some well deserved hate (or have you forgotten the oh so puke worthy Romo love a couple of years ago after his punctured lung?)

Sure, Romo is a good QB, and better than what we had. Is he worth the money being paid? No. Is he a choke artist? In my opinion, until he stops collapsing in big games and having "fluke plays" in those games ... Yup.

I, for one, am glad they are saddled with him for the next 2-3 years. Just means they will get Cowboys fans will get their hearts broken year after year after year ...

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1001064]No I don't think he's worth 55 million but who else would they go get? There is no qbs in the draft worth a top pick and none in FA. Qbs are overpaid it's just how the league is.[/quote]

This.

The real issue is that they didn't sign him before Flacco set the market. They cold have wrapped this up before or at the end of the season. Flacco's deal would have been a non-issue.

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It's alot like the Flacco contract. IMO unless the guy is in that top 5 echelon of QBs. The team is sacrificing quite a few good players around them for their contracts. Your giving these guys 15% of your cap on average, for the life of these deals.

[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;1001065]Dallas is pretty polarizing. They get plenty of undeserved love as well as some well deserved hate (or have you forgotten the oh so puke worthy Romo love a couple of years ago after his punctured lung?)

Sure, Romo is a good QB, and better than what we had. Is he worth the money being paid? No. Is he a choke artist? In my opinion, until he stops collapsing in big games and having "fluke plays" in those games ... Yup.

I, for one, am glad they are saddled with him for the next 2-3 years. Just means they will get Cowboys fans will get their hearts broken year after year after year ...[/QUOTE]

Yeah I'm with you on the next 3 years. I'm excited we are building a strong team! Httr

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In all fairness though, it IS possible that Romo and the Boys could put together one good season and roll to the Super Bowl. It's not like they don't have any weapons. They are a playoff caliber team and anything's possible.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1001064]No I don't think he's worth 55 million but who else would they go get? There is no qbs in the draft worth a top pick and none in FA. Qbs are overpaid it's just how the league is.[/quote]

Vinny... is that you?

55 mil guaranteed to someone that will be 33 before the season starts is crazy. Especially when he has had solid teams around him in the past and couldnt come through. Im sick of listening to the whole argument that Dallas has never had a good player except Tony Romo since he has been there. Thats just outright nonsense. The Cowboys in his early years had better talent around Romo than RG3 had this past year. Given the injuries to key players this past year (Garcon, Davis, ect), that makes it even worse.

QB's arent overpaid in this league. They are the most important piece. But unless they have won you SB's or even gotten to some conference championships, you dont give a 33 year old that amount of guaranteed money. The Cowboys are already in salary cap purgatory, now they are in even deeper with a QB that will be in decline. At 33, I doubt he is going to get better.

The Cowboys need a major overhaul, so anytime they keep an aging vet and sign him to an uncuttable for 3 or 4 years contract, they are making matters worse, not better (Better if looking at it from a Redskins standpoint).

Since the whole Tony Romo has never had a good team around him argument is always used. What changes this year then? What exactly are you seeing in Dallas that makes you think Romo will now get over the hump?

Since that argument dictates that they wont win anything, why not move on and try to get your cap in order while drafting some young pieces who will EVENTUALLY win?

If you want to defend the move because you hate Dallas and think its funny, then be my guest (I do). But you seem to be saying that its a "good move" for that franchise... I couldnt disagree more. They are better off losing 12 games instead of 8 for a couple of years and building with higher draft picks.

Plain and simple, Romo's contract is a Vinny move. And Vinny moves have been proven to not work in the first year, and cost the team dearly in dead cap in later years. Im glad its now the Cowboys doing those contracts and not us anymore.

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[quote=12thMan;1001069]In all fairness though, it IS possible that[B] Romo and the Boys could put together one good season and roll to the Super Bowl.[/B] It's not like they don't have any weapons. They are a playoff caliber team and anything's possible.[/quote]

A pox upon you sir.

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[quote=12thMan;1001069]In all fairness though, it IS possible that Romo and the Boys could put together one good season and roll to the Super Bowl. It's not like they don't have any weapons. They are a playoff caliber team and anything's possible.[/quote]

Could it happen, maybe, but honestly their window is closing for a couple of reasons:
[LIST][*]Their core players are getting older.[*]They are in a constant struggle between coach and GM/owner, for example if they are 4-4 at midway next year, there will be a lot of talk about Garrett being gone.[*]TR as JR as said, is prone to a bad play at the wrong time, a lot of people look at their December run last year, but if you look at the end of the Cinci game, TR threw gift picks that Cinci defenders dropped. Had they caught one of those, the last game of the season would not have been a win and in game for them (i guess by my logic I am glad Cinci dropped those picks LOL).[*]Finally, their salary cap situation for the next 3 years is very prohibitive and they will be forced to let players that are important to their team see FA rather than re-sign them. For example Sean Lee is a free agent after next year, and 35 of their currently signed players hit some form of FA in 2015, including Dez Bryant, Demarco Murray, Tyron Smith, and right now they are at 135M(FOR 21 players!) for 2015, even assuming TV money kicks in, they are going to be restructuring forever at this rate.[/LIST]



So, if they struggle this year, Garrett will get canned, and the new coach will have Romo, and a hellacious salary cap to deal with.

That puts alot of win now pressure on Garrett and Romo. I am hoping that I will be loving it.

for those who are curious, we have 30 contracts for 2015, totaling 99Mil
(contract stats from where else? overthecap.com)

[QUOTE=Skinzman;1001071]Vinny... is that you?

55 mil guaranteed to someone that will be 33 before the season starts is crazy. Especially when he has had solid teams around him in the past and couldnt come through. Im sick of listening to the whole argument that Dallas has never had a good player except Tony Romo since he has been there. Thats just outright nonsense. The Cowboys in his early years had better talent around Romo than RG3 had this past year. Given the injuries to key players this past year (Garcon, Davis, ect), that makes it even worse.

QB's arent overpaid in this league. They are the most important piece. But unless they have won you SB's or even gotten to some conference championships, you dont give a 33 year old that amount of guaranteed money. The Cowboys are already in salary cap purgatory, now they are in even deeper with a QB that will be in decline. At 33, I doubt he is going to get better.

The Cowboys need a major overhaul, so anytime they keep an aging vet and sign him to an uncuttable for 3 or 4 years contract, they are making matters worse, not better (Better if looking at it from a Redskins standpoint).

Since the whole Tony Romo has never had a good team around him argument is always used. What changes this year then? What exactly are you seeing in Dallas that makes you think Romo will now get over the hump?

Since that argument dictates that they wont win anything, why not move on and try to get your cap in order while drafting some young pieces who will EVENTUALLY win?

If you want to defend the move because you hate Dallas and think its funny, then be my guest (I do). But you seem to be saying that its a "good move" for that franchise... I couldnt disagree more. They are better off losing 12 games instead of 8 for a couple of years and building with higher draft picks.

Plain and simple, Romo's contract is a Vinny move. And Vinny moves have been proven to not work in the first year, and cost the team dearly in dead cap in later years. Im glad its now the Cowboys doing those contracts and not us anymore.[/QUOTE]

So was flaccos deal a vinny move too? He was the highest paid QB ever lmao.
And I never said he's played on bad teams, his numbers are great if u actually looked at his stats. He puts up top 10 numbers every season.

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Flacco at least won a SB and has a bunch of playoff wins. I'm fine with him getting paid.

Romo with one playoff win, it's just hard to justify making him a $100M QB in my mind.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1001074]So was flaccos deal a vinny move too? He was the highest paid QB ever lmao.
And I never said he's played on bad teams, his numbers are great if u actually looked at his stats. He puts up top 10 numbers every season.[/quote]

A big difference is that Flacco is 28, been to the playoffs every year, and won the SB. His numbers might not be great, but in the playoffs, I would take him every year.

Compare that to Romo, who will be 33 next month, has had stellar stats in the regular season, and proven blunders in the post-season/critical games.

Romo's contract smells a lot more like Vinny move, except of course if he were the GM of the team Romo was on he would scapegoat Romo, and badger him till he left. BUT, if Vinny were to write a contract to bring Romo to the Skins, that would be a Vinny move (ie aging vet, looks good on paper, lots of money in cap play).

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[quote=12thMan;1001069]In all fairness though, it IS possible that Romo and the Boys could put together one good season and roll to the Super Bowl. It's not like they don't have any weapons. They are a playoff caliber team and anything's possible.[/quote]

Year in and year out the Cowboys are always overrated. Fact is they haven't had a winning season now since 2009 and they're only getting older. They're 22-26 the last 3 seasons. Not really playoff caliber in my book.

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As if there wasn't enough pressure already, and we all know how well he handles it lol

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/50163/pressure-now-on-tony-romo-to-make-good]Pressure now on Tony Romo to make good - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url]

1-6 in elimination games lol

[QUOTE=Skinzman;1001071]Vinny... is that you?

55 mil guaranteed to someone that will be 33 before the season starts is crazy. Especially when he has had solid teams around him in the past and couldnt come through. Im sick of listening to the whole argument that Dallas has never had a good player except Tony Romo since he has been there. Thats just outright nonsense. The Cowboys in his early years had better talent around Romo than RG3 had this past year. Given the injuries to key players this past year (Garcon, Davis, ect), that makes it even worse.

QB's arent overpaid in this league. They are the most important piece. But unless they have won you SB's or even gotten to some conference championships, you dont give a 33 year old that amount of guaranteed money. The Cowboys are already in salary cap purgatory, now they are in even deeper with a QB that will be in decline. At 33, I doubt he is going to get better.

The Cowboys need a major overhaul, so anytime they keep an aging vet and sign him to an uncuttable for 3 or 4 years contract, they are making matters worse, not better (Better if looking at it from a Redskins standpoint).

Since the whole Tony Romo has never had a good team around him argument is always used. What changes this year then? What exactly are you seeing in Dallas that makes you think Romo will now get over the hump?

Since that argument dictates that they wont win anything, why not move on and try to get your cap in order while drafting some young pieces who will EVENTUALLY win?

If you want to defend the move because you hate Dallas and think its funny, then be my guest (I do). But you seem to be saying that its a "good move" for that franchise... I couldnt disagree more. They are better off losing 12 games instead of 8 for a couple of years and building with higher draft picks.

Plain and simple, Romo's contract is a Vinny move. And Vinny moves have been proven to not work in the first year, and cost the team dearly in dead cap in later years. Im glad its now the Cowboys doing those contracts and not us anymore.[/QUOTE]

If I was a cowboy fan, his age would bother me much more than the dollars. I havn't seen how the 55 mil is structured, but they could be taking a big cap hit in years 4 on for a seriously declining player. Worse yet, this move indicates they either won't or can't afford to use a top pick for a long term replacement unless they want to cut other parts of the team even more.

As an example, lets say they draft someone in the second round this year. That persons rookie contract would be ending while a 37 year old tony is still taking up huge cap dollars. It would force them to cut tony in order to sign the guy they drafted and still have dead space.

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Dez Bryant's rookie deal is up in 2015. I'm sure he'll be looking for a big payday or take his services elsewhere ala Percy Harvin.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;1001078]As if there wasn't enough pressure already, and we all know how well he handles it lol

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/50163/pressure-now-on-tony-romo-to-make-good]Pressure now on Tony Romo to make good - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url]

1-6 in elimination games lol[/QUOTE]

Graziano's article pretty sums it up pretty well. Romo's a very good QB September to December, but, to be worth this contract, he has to find a way to extend that to January.

Personally, I just don't think he has it in him. Maybe I am wrong, bit I sure as hell hope not.

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Guess there's a certain threshold below "elite", where a good QB is still considered irreplaceable to a team. E. Manning, Flacco, now Romo.

Wow, the Pats got such a discount on Brady. Wonder how much of a discount the Packers will get on Rodgers. (I think getting the same deal as Flacco, would be a bargain for Rodgers.)

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I'm with HG28, it's skewing the market.

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[quote=Mattyk;1001078]As if there wasn't enough pressure already, and we all know how well he handles it lol

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/50163/pressure-now-on-tony-romo-to-make-good]Pressure now on Tony Romo to make good - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url]

[B]1-6 in elimination games[/B] lol[/quote]

That says it all about Romo.
Peyton Manning also falls in this category a little bit. Great regular season player but tends to throw too many interceptions and turnovers in the playoffs. Manning and Romo become too one dimensional and throw the ball way too much for their won good.
It is not coincidence that the Ravens, 49ers, Seahawks and Redskins have a good running game to compliment a good passing game. The Cowboys do not. The Cowboys desperately need to rebuild their OL but continue to draft other positions. It is the Vinny Cerratto syndrome of undervaluing the need for a strong O-line and running game.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1000983]Let's hear what McNobody has to say about this contract.

[url=http://www.buzzfeed.com/ktlincoln/donovan-mcnabb-is-really-mad-at-tony-romos-new-bazillion-dol]Donovan McNabb Is Really Mad At Tony Romo's New Bazillion-Dollar Contract[/url][/quote]

The guy is classless. Hard to believe we didn't see it before when he was a media darling. He's actually the reason when I'm channel surfing that I don't stay on NFL Network seeing as how Playbook, one of my all time favorite shows before McNabb, is on usually when I get back from work.

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[quote=Defensewins;1001087]That says it all about Romo.
Peyton Manning also falls in this category a little bit. Great regular season player but tends to throw too many interceptions and turnovers in the playoffs. Manning and Romo become too one dimensional and throw the ball way too much for their won good.
It is not coincidence that the Ravens, 49ers, Seahawks and Redskins have a good running game to compliment a good passing game. The Cowboys do not. The Cowboys desperately need to rebuild their OL but continue to draft other positions. It is the Vinny Cerratto syndrome of undervaluing the need for a strong O-line and running game.[/quote]

I wouldn't compare one of best quarterbacks of all time to tony romo.

[QUOTE=Dirtbag59;1001090]The guy is classless. Hard to believe we didn't see it before when he was a media darling. He's actually the reason when I'm channel surfing that I don't stay on NFL Network seeing as how Playbook, one of my all time favorite shows before McNabb, is on usually when I get back from work.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I don't care much for him either

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[quote=Evilgrin;1001067]It's alot like the Flacco contract. IMO unless the guy is in that top 5 echelon of QBs. The team is sacrificing quite a few good players around them for their contracts. Your giving these guys 15% of your cap on average, for the life of these deals.[/quote]

I don't see how this is like the Flacco contract. Flacco just won the Ravens a SB, while Romo did another one of this major choke jobs last seasons. But whatever, I don't mind seeing the Cowpukes making terrible decisions.

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[quote=Mattyk;1001075]Flacco at least won a SB and has a bunch of playoff wins. I'm fine with him getting paid.

Romo with one playoff win, it's just hard to justify making him a $100M QB in my mind.[/quote]How many playoff wins and SB wins a guy has doesn't matter when you're determining his worth. Teams don't even consider it. As they shouldn't.

Age though is something that all teams consider, and there's a big difference between 28 and 33. The final four years of this deal are going to be mostly noise, but I think the Cowboys are going to regret somewhat giving Romo starting quarterback job security through 2015. I don't think they'll be very competitive in our division over that timeframe.

I think the bigger news here is that the Cowboys are all in for 2013. After that point, they're basically going to be the post Al Davis Raiders. They can only improve their team through the draft and they are going to lose veteran pieces that could still help because of contractual issues.

Looking at the contract, it's clear Romo is their QB through 2015. In the 4th year the cap hit for cutting him v. keeping him looks about the same. Year 5, is the first year of the contract that his release hit is significantly smaller than the hit for keeping him.
Of course, if they have to restructure in years two or three, they could be stuck with him an extra year.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1001094]How many playoff wins and SB wins a guy has doesn't matter when you're determining his worth. Teams don't even consider it. As they shouldn't.

Age though is something that all teams consider, and there's a big difference between 28 and 33. The final four years of this deal are going to be mostly noise, but I think the Cowboys are going to regret somewhat giving Romo starting quarterback job security through 2015. I don't think they'll be very competitive in our division over that timeframe.

I think the bigger news here is that the Cowboys are all in for 2013. After that point, they're basically going to be the post Al Davis Raiders. They can only improve their team through the draft and they are going to lose veteran pieces that could still help because of contractual issues.[/quote]

As I stated earlier. I think either Jason Witten, DeMarcus Ware, or Miles Austin will be gone in two years.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1001094]How many playoff wins and SB wins a guy has doesn't matter when you're determining his worth. Teams don't even consider it. As they shouldn't.[/quote]

No but the fans and media sure do. Fair or not, it's always going to be a big part of the discussion.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1001094]How many playoff wins and SB wins a guy has doesn't matter when you're determining his worth. Teams don't even consider it. As they shouldn't.[/quote]

Maybe not playoff and SB wins, but it's a good thing to examine playoff and SB stats. Getting your team to the playoffs or win and you're in situations does no good if you play bad and get your team eliminated.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1001094]How many playoff wins and SB wins a guy has doesn't matter when you're determining his worth. Teams don't even consider it. As they shouldn't.

.[/quote]


Should it be a factor...HELL YES, as I said before in the NFL you get paid to produce and that means win and make and win playoff games SUPER BOWLS too. The man has had his opportunities and blown them. I would take 2 other QB's in the NFC east before I would take Romo, you have one and we have the other.