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[quote=Paintrain;1006685]Not to pick on you, but I'm not getting this fascination with drafting linemen this year. We're already 2 deep at every position on the line. Not pro-bowlers deep but sure as hell better off than 5th or 6th round rookie deep. What value would a 5th or 6th round OL bring over a Gettis, Compton, LeRibeus, Hurt? We drafted 6 OL over the past 3 years and signed 3 more who are starting for us. What more do we need to do on the OL?[/quote]

Exactly

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i'm not really seeing any type of fascination, but i do think some of our depth on the o-line may be assumed. have we assumed that all the guys we drafted last year have developed?

leribeus was the only one of the 3 to dress; he dressed for 5 games.

don't read me wrong, i'm not calling it a need. just like i wasn't calling rb a need.

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[quote=los panda;1006704]i'm not really seeing any type of fascination, but i do think some of our depth on the o-line may be assumed. have we assumed that all the guys we drafted last year have developed?

leribeus was the only one of the 3 to dress; he dressed for 5 games.

don't read me wrong, i'm not calling it a need. just like i wasn't calling rb a need.[/quote]

I assume the coaches know better than we

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[url=http://p.washingtontimes.com/blog/redskins-watch/2013/apr/27/nfl-draft-redskins-address-deep-secondary-need-fre/]NFL draft: Redskins address deep secondary need with free safeties Phillip Thomas, Bacarri Rambo - Washington Times[/url]

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^ So are P. Thomas and B. Rambo FS or SS? NFL.com has them listed as SS but the above article says they are FS. I guess it does not matter as we need both, but why the confusion?

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[quote=CultBrennan59;1006620]I'd give this draft an A-

We addressed pretty much all the important positions of need in S and CB. Sure we didn't get an OT, but there's 4 guys we're going to have competing at RT. Sure we didn't get a WR, but to the same token, we did just get a TE thats basically a WR.

This draft we just had is literally the Boom or Bust draft. David Amerson has shown his Boom and his Bust potential. Jordan Reed can catch great, but can't block. Will he get the coaching he needs to become a more complete TE or fizzle out. Phillip Thomas was an all american, but only excels in certain schemes. Will he fit our scheme or suck like many Redskin insiders and experts believe he will? Brandon Jenkins was a first round talent but got hurt and missed the rest of the year. Are we getting the first rounders or a 5th rounder? Chris Thompson showed flashes of Darren Sproles, but didn't play this year with a Torn ACL. Are we getting a different player or the same player? Bacarri Rambo was a great college player, but had troubles in parts of his game and off the field. Are we getting the headcase or the defensive stud? Jawan Jamison looks like another Shanahan back, but he is small and going against Royster and Helu. Will he beat them out (also Chris Thompson) and make this team or will he just be a wasted pick of another RB that wasn't needed.[/quote]

With all the Offensive Linemen going in the first few rounds and the rookie pay scale being what it is, I think there will be a number of veteran "cap casualties" the Redskins can choose from before the season starts. Not overly concerned about the O line, and very intrigued by the boom potential of this draft class. Several guys with first round talent that fell for a number of character and injury-related reasons. Talent is still there.

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[quote=Defensewins;1006708]^ So are P. Thomas and B. Rambo FS or SS? NFL.com has them listed as SS but the above article says they are FS. I guess it does not matter as we need both, but why the confusion?[/quote]

They both can play either, but if I had to choose I would put Thomas closer to the line but they both will play single high at some point.

I'm excited about our new defense! Can't wait

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[quote=Paintrain;1006685]Not to pick on you, but I'm not getting this fascination with drafting linemen this year. We're already 2 deep at every position on the line. Not pro-bowlers deep but sure as hell better off than 5th or 6th round rookie deep. What value would a 5th or 6th round OL bring over a Gettis, Compton, LeRibeus, Hurt? We drafted 6 OL over the past 3 years and signed 3 more who are starting for us. What more do we need to do on the OL?[/quote]

Draft some upside would be my answer.

I would've gone with Barrett Jones in round 3. Potentially a very valuable player with a higher ceiling than any current backup.

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I would give the skins a B-/C+ based on the draft board below, 3 3rd round worthy, 2 4th round worthy and 2 5 th round worthy. See link:

[url]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0Ao9PSRga3pV9dGtDUGJnS3k2RkhmWDlXYnlycTZ0RGc[/url]

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I gave the draft an A when including RG III as a pick, because for all intents and purposes he is for this year and the next.

Loved what we were able to add to the team and Oki I agree I can't wait to see this new defense unveiled. After the bye in week 5, I could see these guys rely coming together. Added some nice pieces on both sides of the ball.

I also love how the FO decided to go all or nothing with these guys and added big physical players to the secondary.

The FSU players added in the 5th could be huge if they stay healthy. Both players add excellent depth to strong groups.

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Grading the Redskins lower than a C would have been penalizing them for not having a first round pick. This isn't a super great haul that will make us a much better team, but it seems kinda pointless to harp on the real reason this draft is mediocre...that we didn't pick in the first round.

The Redskins grabbed a whole bunch of 3rd-4th round types because that's what this draft was made up us. Most teams that didn't pick in the top 20 are in the same boat.

If they had a do-over, I would point out that six really good football players got drafted right after Amerson, so I'd like to have gotten one of those guys instead. But from round three on the Redskins looked to be pretty much in their element, and got decent talent return.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1006718]I would give the skins a B-/C+ based on the draft board below, 3 3rd round worthy, 2 4th round worthy and 2 5 th round worthy. See link:

[url]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0Ao9PSRga3pV9dGtDUGJnS3k2RkhmWDlXYnlycTZ0RGc[/url][/quote]

What am I looking at here? The official Skins draft board? If so, there seems to be some ranking mixups. I'll try to decipher it in the morning.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1006723]Grading the Redskins lower than a C would have been penalizing them for not having a first round pick. This isn't a super great haul that will make us a much better team, but it seems kinda pointless to harp on the real reason this draft is mediocre...that we didn't pick in the first round.

The Redskins grabbed a whole bunch of 3rd-4th round types because that's what this draft was made up us. Most teams that didn't pick in the top 20 are in the same boat.

If they had a do-over, I would point out that six really good football players got drafted right after Amerson, so I'd like to have gotten one of those guys instead. But from round three on the Redskins looked to be pretty much in their element, and got decent talent return.[/quote]
Amerson is a typical shanny pick. He picks based on ceiling...only watches their best plays. From that perspective one can see how amerson was the pick. Right or wrong it is what he does

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Too many RB not enough OL. I could handle one late round steal at RB but 2 is making me think Shanahan is trying too hard to live up to his reputation as a RB hawk. A need of quality depth at OL should have ben addressed instead of injured RBs being drafted which are a dime a dozen. Shanahan you don't have to prove you can find talent at RB late.

If you have a good OL I bet a lot of coaches can find gems at RB late in the draft. Other than that the draft was very good. I like the TE pick and the pass rusher from Florida St as well as the safeties and CB. Stop the RB fetish though Mike. We get it.

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[quote=Sonny9TD;1006729]Too many RB not enough OL. I could handle one late round steal at RB but 2 is making me think Shanahan is trying too hard to live up to his reputation as a RB hawk. A need of quality depth at OL should have ben addressed instead of injured RBs being drafted which are a dime a dozen. Shanahan you don't have to prove you can find talent at RB late.

If you have a good OL I bet a lot of coaches can find gems at RB late in the draft. Other than that the draft was very good. I like the TE pick and the pass rusher from Florida St as well as the safeties and CB. Stop the RB fetish though Mike. We get it.[/quote]

Just wondering, who was this 7th round OL that would start for us Now. Contrary to this board's belief. Our offensive line is actually pretty good.

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[quote=Sonny9TD;1006729]Too many RB not enough OL. I could handle one late round steal at RB but 2 is making me think Shanahan is trying too hard to live up to his reputation as a RB hawk. A need of quality depth at OL should have ben addressed instead of injured RBs being drafted which are a dime a dozen. Shanahan you don't have to prove you can find talent at RB late.

If you have a good OL I bet a lot of coaches can find gems at RB late in the draft. Other than that the draft was very good. I like the TE pick and the pass rusher from Florida St as well as the safeties and CB. Stop the RB fetish though Mike. We get it.[/quote]

What they're trying to do is to find is the next Darren Sproles.

Chris Thompson was not a good pick in Round 5, IMO. He's injured and he might not have been drafted at all. Personally, I don't like him as a player, anyway.

Jawan Jamison was a good 7th Round pick, IMO.

You and I might have been happier if the Skins had picked Xavier Nixon instead of Thompson in Round 5. Well, they got Nixon anyway, as a UDFA, so it all came out in the wash.

Also, I sincerely doubt that Mike Shanahan is trying to prove anything to anybody when he drafts.

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I like/love this draft got talent & depth IMO gave my grade B. HTTR.

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I like taking risky picks in late rounds with the history of injuries / etc. If they pan out, they were a steal & contribute to the team. Other options in the late rounds are usually back-up / special team players anyway. I wonder if it is smart to put more players with history of drug abuse into our locker room however..

Inside LB would have been a better pickup than OLB given age / injury in our inside LBs, but guess we have just enough depth to wait until next year..

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Every single Redskins draft pick this year is a playmaker. That is what this entire Redskins draft was about - [U]playmakers[/U].

The Skins want to create more turnovers on defense and more big plays on offense. The big-play defense creates more turnovers which gives the big-play offense more chances to score.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1006732]Just wondering, who was this 7th round OL that would start for us Now. Contrary to this board's belief. Our offensive line is actually pretty good.[/quote]

Below are some but WR would have been nice. If the RBs can be players that contribute I'll be happy though. Maybe Shanny can get some use out of them.

Offensive linemen
1. LaAdrian Waddle (OT), Texas Tech (UPDATE: Waddle signed with the Lions on Saturday.)
2. Emmett Cleary (OT), Boston College
3. Xavier Nixon (OT), Florida (UPDATE: Nixon signed with the Redskins on Saturday.)
4. Nick Becton (OT), Virginia Tech (UPDATE: Becton signed with the Chargers on Saturday.)
5. Braxston Cave (C), Notre Dame (UPDATE: Cave signed with the Browns on Saturday.)
6. Stephane Milhim (G), Massachusetts
7. John Wetzel (OT), Boston College
8. Lamar Mady (G), Youngstown State (UPDATE: Mady signed with the Raiders on Saturday.)
9. Jamaal Johnson-Webb (OT), Alabama A&M (UPDATE: Johnson-Webb signed with the Cardinals on Saturday.)


OG Alvin Bailey, Arkansas (6-3, 312, 4.95)

Bailey started every game of his collegiate career (38) with time at both left and right guard. He has intriguing size and power but is a limited athlete and very inconsistent, too easily abandoning his fundamentals as a blocker. At a position like guard, teams are less likely to take a chance on players with questions like Bailey.

. OT Chris Faulk, LSU (6-5, 331, 5.08)

Faulk became the full-time starter at left tackle as a sophomore but started just one game in 2012 after a knee injury that required separate surgeries on his MCL and ACL. Despite missing almost all of his junior year, he decided to skip his final season and go pro. The questions about his knee were likly a large factor as to why he went undrafted.

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Also, I sincerely doubt that Mike Shanahan is trying to prove anything to anybody when he drafts.[/QUOTE]

Of course he wants to continue his RB track record.It's a natural tendency to continue doing what he is known for. It may not be priority one but it is on his list. I hope one of them can catch and make plays for us.

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[quote=Sonny9TD;1006743]

Of course he wants to continue his RB track record.It's a natural tendency to continue doing what he is known for. It may not be priority one but it is on his list. I hope one of them can catch and make plays for us.[/quote]

I think MS believes that late round RBs are easy depth at a position that tears a body up. He knows which ones fit his system and picks one a year late that can step in if #1 goes down. Someone else mentioned the fact that we have the former SD GM as a consultant, and I believe his influence probably drove the 5th rd pick. But looking at the Rutgers kid, I think that pick is all on MS.

I gave the draft a B, easily could have gone with an A at this point because I think they did an excellent job of blending value and need with the defensive picks. The offensive picks really are just "gravy" whether it was OL or skill positions. The defensive picks, however, were areas of extreme weakness, and the picks were clearly well timed within the framework of other teams needs and likely picks. That they got Rambo in the 6th, when many fans would have been happy with him in the 3rd, or even Amerson was taken right about when all the CBs started coming off the board, and if that was the one they wanted, he would (and most others) would have been gone by the next pick.

I think an OT in place of Thompson or Jenkins would have made it an A for me, but honestly I can't say what OT would have had any more chance of making an impact than either of those two, and I don't have much expectation for either of them.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1006744]I think MS believes that late round RBs are easy depth at a position that tears a body up. He knows which ones fit his system and picks one a year late that can step in if #1 goes down. Someone else mentioned the fact that we have the former SD GM as a consultant, and I believe his influence probably drove the 5th rd pick. But looking at the Rutgers kid, I think that pick is all on MS.

I gave the draft a B, easily could have gone with an A at this point because I think they did an excellent job of blending value and need with the defensive picks. The offensive picks really are just "gravy" whether it was OL or skill positions. The defensive picks, however, were areas of extreme weakness, and the picks were clearly well timed within the framework of other teams needs and likely picks. That they got Rambo in the 6th, when many fans would have been happy with him in the 3rd, or even Amerson was taken right about when all the CBs started coming off the board, and if that was the one they wanted, he would (and most others) would have been gone by the next pick.

I think an OT in place of Thompson or Jenkins would have made it an A for me, but honestly I can't say what OT would have had any more chance of making an impact than either of those two, and I don't have much expectation for either of them.[/quote]

Excellent post.

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Been reading stuff about Jordan Reed and it looks very promising.
To quote a friend he seems like more of a hybrid WR than a TE.
He has played four different positions.
And with Bob as our QB I see this guy as a flexible weapon that will confound a lot of defenses.

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[url=http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/4/4/4181952/nfl-draft-2013-scouting-reports-tight-ends-zach-ertz-tyler-eifert-jordan-reed]NFL Draft 2013: Breaking down the 'Joker' tight ends - SBNation.com[/url]

Reed will be like our version of San Fran's walker was. He'll make plays all over, FB, TE, WR

He was better than Walker when healthy

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I'm happy and excited about this year's draft class, especially getting Phillip Thomas and Bacarri Rambo.

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[url=http://www.eyesradio.com/2013/428-qa-with-redskins-mike-shanahan-on-the-draft/]4/28 Q&A with Redskins Mike Shanahan on the draft | E.Y.E.S. Radio Network[/url]
[QUOTE]On the new additions to the secondary:
“You’re always looking for guys that can catch a football, but you’re looking for speed. You’re looking for, in the safety position, a guy that’s physical, a guy that can catch a football. More importantly I think we got a little bit more flexibility. You’ve got a guy like [cornerback E.J.] Biggers and a guy like Amerson. You’ve got the flexibility with a guy like D-Hall [cornerback DeAngelo Hall]. I like [cornerback] Josh Wilson to work inside as well. So, we’ve still got speed on the outside, a little bit more flexibility on the inside with our nickel and dime packages, combined with our two new safeties and the possibility of Brandon Meriweather coming back full speed. There’s Tanard Jackson, Jordan Pugh, Jerome Murphy, we’ve got a lot of guys that are competing and that’s what gives you a chance.”[/QUOTE]

Hey wait guys...Wheres Chase Minnifields name?!? Exactly. When Jerome Murphy gets mentioned over you, you can see how much Shanahan values you.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1006723]Grading the Redskins lower than a C would have been penalizing them for not having a first round pick. This isn't a super great haul that will make us a much better team, but it seems kinda pointless to harp on the real reason this draft is mediocre...that we didn't pick in the first round.

The Redskins grabbed a whole bunch of 3rd-4th round types because that's what this draft was made up us. Most teams that didn't pick in the top 20 are in the same boat.

If they had a do-over, I would point out that six really good football players got drafted right after Amerson, so I'd like to have gotten one of those guys instead. But from round three on the Redskins looked to be pretty much in their element, and got decent talent return.[/quote]

What did you think of the Jordan Reed pick? Did Shanny, once again, outsmart everyone with that one?

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I like what we did but impossible to grade it right now.

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[quote=Chico23231;1006773]What did you think of the Jordan Reed pick? Did Shanny, once again, outsmart everyone with that one?[/quote]Jordan Reed is a talented player who fits what we want to become.

It wasn't a pick that really got me excited and dreaming up ways the Redskins might use him, but it was a pick that made a lot of sense.

The biggest "under the radar" need on offense was what happens to the TE position if Fred Davis never comes all the way back to what he was, which can be a concern with achillies injuries. Jordan Reed might help answer that concern.

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[quote=FRPLG;1006728]Amerson is a typical shanny pick. He picks based on ceiling...only watches their best plays. From that perspective one can see how amerson was the pick. Right or wrong it is what he does[/quote]Deltha O'Neal checks in briefly to agree with you.

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[quote=Paintrain;1006685]Not to pick on you, but I'm not getting this fascination with drafting linemen this year. We're already 2 deep at every position on the line. Not pro-bowlers deep but sure as hell better off than 5th or 6th round rookie deep. What value would a 5th or 6th round OL bring over a Gettis, Compton, LeRibeus, Hurt? We drafted 6 OL over the past 3 years and signed 3 more who are starting for us. What more do we need to do on the OL?[/quote]

We (still) have only one healthy, starting-caliber OT on the team, Trent. The rest of the guys either 1) suck 2) are coming off significant injury and long in the tooth 3) have shown absolutely nothing.

Right now, we're in the same position the Eagles were going into the 2012 season, they had one legitimate OT (Jason Peters) and when he went down the offense was done for the year.

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[quote=44Deezel;1006709][B]With all the Offensive Linemen going in the first few rounds and the rookie pay scale being what it is, I think there will be a number of veteran "cap casualties" the Redskins can choose from before the season starts.[/B] Not overly concerned about the O line, and very intrigued by the boom potential of this draft class. Several guys with first round talent that fell for a number of character and injury-related reasons. Talent is still there.[/quote]

This looks like the last remaining piece of the puzzle. Given the FO excellent history of filling our other needs, current and future, I'm still hopeful our starting RT isn't on the roster today.

Mel kiper just said the eagles will win the east smh lol

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[quote=The Goat;1006783]We (still) have only one healthy, starting-caliber OT on the team, Trent. The rest of the guys either 1) suck 2) are coming off significant injury and long in the tooth 3) have shown absolutely nothing.

Right now, we're in the same position the Eagles were going into the 2012 season, they had one legitimate OT (Jason Peters) and when he went down the offense was done for the year.[/quote]

Obviously they think they can get by with Polumbus. I would expect them to address RT in 2014. Remember, this was the 4th ranked scoring offense with Polumbus at RT.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1006785]Mel kiper just said the eagles will win the east smh lol[/quote]

You know, Kiper is excellent at what he does which is evaluate college game tape, do great homework and background on them, excellent reporting from what he gets out of his sources about intangibles and project where they may go.

I don't think he knows squat about NFL rosters and depth charts from week to week (or even at this point). Not to knock him on that but he should stay in his lane.

When it comes to actual knowledge of the NFL, how teams match up and prognosticating where they will finish the season, I think I'd trust my mailman.

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[quote=The Goat;1006783]We (still) have only one healthy, starting-caliber OT on the team, Trent. The rest of the guys either 1) suck 2) are coming off significant injury and long in the tooth 3) have shown absolutely nothing.

Right now, we're in the same position the Eagles were going into the 2012 season, they had one legitimate OT (Jason Peters) and when he went down the offense was done for the year.[/quote]

What team did you watch last year? Cause I watched the one that led the NFL in rushing yards, 5th in total offense, 4th in scoring with a rookie QB, rookie RB, backup TE & without their #1 WR for 2+months.

I guess Kyle is a freaking genius to pull that off with 4 linemen that either 1) suck, 2) coming off significant injury and long in the tooth (no clue who you're referring to there) or 3) have shown absolutely nothing.

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[quote=Paintrain;1006789]What team did you watch last year? Cause I watched the one that led the NFL in rushing yards, 5th in total offense, 4th in scoring with a rookie QB, rookie RB, backup TE & without their #1 WR for 2+months.

I guess Kyle is a freaking genius to pull that off with 4 linemen that either 1) suck, 2) coming off significant injury and long in the tooth (no clue who you're referring to there) or 3) have shown absolutely nothing.[/quote]

It's not even worth it.