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[quote=Alvin Walton;1007777]Yet in your initial post you start ranting about gun control.
.[/quote]

Post #1)"
These are same people I am suppose to listen on gun control, hell no! "



.....a statement ,not a rant.

[QUOTE=Giantone;1007800]Post #1)"
These are same people I am suppose to listen on gun control, hell no! "



.....a statement ,not a rant.[/QUOTE]


"Hell no!" isn't ranting? You're full of it.

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I won't start a new thread just add another tragedy to the growing list ,again another needless death through the ignorance of a gun owner.

[url=http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-national/20130508/US--Florida.Child.Shot/]Fla. boy, 3, fatally shoots self with uncle's gun | US National Headlines | Comcast[/url]

TAMPA, Fla. (AP) — Authorities say a 3-year-old Florida boy has died after shooting himself with a gun he found in his uncle's backpack.

The shooting happened Tuesday night in a bedroom Jadarrius Speights shared with his uncle at an apartment complex in Tampa. Authorities say the uncle, 29-year-old Jeffrey D. Walker, has been charged with culpable negligence.

It wasn't immediately clear whether Walker had an attorney. His phone number was not listed and jail records didn't give a lawyer for him.

Police say he has a concealed weapons permit.

Hillsborough County sheriff's spokeswoman Debbie Carter says the uncle was not in the room when the shooting happened, but the child's parents were there. The boy was taken to a hospital where he died.

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Whats your point?

[QUOTE=Giantone;1008467]I won't start a new thread just add another tragedy to the growing list ,again another needless death through the ignorance of a gun owner.

[url=http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-national/20130508/US--Florida.Child.Shot/]Fla. boy, 3, fatally shoots self with uncle's gun | US National Headlines | Comcast[/url]

TAMPA, Fla. (AP) — Authorities say a 3-year-old Florida boy has died after shooting himself with a gun he found in his uncle's backpack.

The shooting happened Tuesday night in a bedroom Jadarrius Speights shared with his uncle at an apartment complex in Tampa. Authorities say the uncle, 29-year-old Jeffrey D. Walker, has been charged with culpable negligence.

It wasn't immediately clear whether Walker had an attorney. His phone number was not listed and jail records didn't give a lawyer for him.

Police say he has a concealed weapons permit.

Hillsborough County sheriff's spokeswoman Debbie Carter says the uncle was not in the room when the shooting happened, but the child's parents were there. The boy was taken to a hospital where he died.[/QUOTE]


[url]http://www.ksby.com/news/local-boy-drowns-reminder-of-pool-safety/[/url]

At the end of the day what is the difference? If you are going to be irresponsible with something that's on you. There's no need to punish the majority for the minority.

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[quote=mlmdub130;1008811][url=http://www.ksby.com/news/local-boy-drowns-reminder-of-pool-safety/]Local boy drowns; reminder of pool safety | KSBY.com | San Luis Obispo, Santa Maria, Santa Barbara, Paso Robles[/url]

At the end of the day what is the difference? If you are going to be irresponsible with something that's on you. There's no need to punish the majority for the minority.[/quote]

If the "irresponsibility" affects others then yes you lay down guidelines "laws".

[url=http://www.ehow.com/about_5209407_above-ground-swimming-pool-laws.html]Above Ground Swimming Pool Laws | eHow[/url]

[url=http://www.ehow.com/list_6501617_massachusetts-laws-swimming-pools.html]Massachusetts Laws for Swimming Pools | eHow[/url]



Just and example of places with laws on pool safety.

[url]http://m.usatoday.com/article/news/2151503[/url]

There's surely rules and guidelines for cars and driving is there not. Didn't seem to stop this young lady from being reckless with her life as well as others.

Being safe and taking precautions is a personal choice. No law or background check will ever change that.

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[quote=mlmdub130;1008823]

There's surely rules and guidelines for cars and driving is there not. .[/quote]



Right you are , and I agree with you 110% regulate guns same as if you were driving or owning a car, no argument.

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I don't get your argument Giantone, there surely are rules and laws regarding gun ownership. If you are obeying all the laws does that guarantee that no one will get hurt with a car/pool/gun, no. No law can save 100% of the people from personal bad judgement 100% of the time, and at the same time preserve freedom of action for individuals.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1008849]I don't get your argument Giantone, there surely are rules and laws regarding gun ownership. If you are obeying all the laws does that guarantee that no one will get hurt with a car/pool/gun, no. No law can save 100% of the people from personal bad judgement 100% of the time, and at the same time preserve freedom of action for individuals.[/quote]


So unless the right wing gun nuts get a 100% guarantee no gun laws are any good???Most responsible gun owners said that these knew laws won't pertain to them and most of them say they don't need or want most of the banned ones people are talking about, then I ask so why fight them? If any of these new laws save one child or stop just one idiot .....then they are worth it. This doesn't have a damn thing to do with the 2A and right wing gun nuts know it, look the largest donations to the NRA are gun makers this is all about selling more guns. These laws are not 100% , everyone knows it and nobody has said they would be but if they stop just one death then they are worth it.

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[quote=Giantone;1008888]So unless the right wing gun nuts get a 100% guarantee no gun laws are any good???Most responsible gun owners said that these knew laws won't pertain to them and most of them say they don't need or want most of the banned ones people are talking about, then I ask so why fight them? If any of these new laws save one child or stop just one idiot .....then they are worth it. This doesn't have a damn thing to do with the 2A and right wing gun nuts know it, look the largest donations to the NRA are gun makers this is all about selling more guns. These laws are not 100% , everyone knows it and nobody has said they would be but if they stop just one death then they are worth it.[/quote]

How would you quantify the successful implementation of the law? There's no way we could tell that someone stupid DIDN'T get a firearm. It's all about limiting firearms, nothing more. Thin end of the wedge. Same thing happened in Australia and the UK.

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[quote=Giantone;1008888]So unless the right wing gun nuts get a 100% guarantee no gun laws are any good???Most responsible gun owners said that these knew laws won't pertain to them and most of them say they don't need or want most of the banned ones people are talking about, then I ask so why fight them? If any of these new laws save one child or stop just one idiot .....then they are worth it. This doesn't have a damn thing to do with the 2A and right wing gun nuts know it, look the largest donations to the NRA are gun makers this is all about selling more guns. These laws are not 100% , everyone knows it and nobody has said they would be but if they stop just one death then they are worth it.[/quote]

you really are presenting a whole slew of fallacious arguments wrapped up into a jumble.

1st) no one on either side is arguing for no gun laws ever, or more specifically for every 1 that argues that, there is a corresponding nut that says no guns ever no way no how. That part of the debate is simply irrational.

2nd) just because a law doesn't pertain to you specifically doesn't make fighting it a wrong choice. In fact, there are many rational reasons why someone who won't be affected by a new law might still consider the law itself flawed

3rd) ah, the old save one child argument. Again, will you ban cars, pools, super sugary sodas, bow and arrows, hunting knives, slingshots, darts and dartboards. You make laws that protect, you don't make laws to bubble wrap.

4th) you might not think it has to do with 2nd Amendment issues, but seeing as how it specifically states "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed", I think that it has to always be looked at to some degree through that lens.

5th) after setting up a strawman of no laws, you turn around and use the reverse as proof, saying they aren't 100%.

6th) Lots of things "stop one death", that is not a sound basis for writing laws affecting 350million people.

Every one of those points is not even about arguing the merits of your position or what you presume mine to be, it's simply showing that for debate, and rational discussion, they are not very good starting points.

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Buddy of mine is gonna call DMV today because he has an old ass S10 pick up truck and wants to mount a machine gun aka african rebel militia style. Not those nice middle eastern militia toyotas, but those real raggdy mid 70's datsun/mad max style sh*t. Is it illegal? for some reason i think its ok and told him to go for it.

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That'll clear rush hour traffic.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1008894]you really are presenting a whole slew of fallacious arguments wrapped up into a jumble.

1st) no one on either side is arguing for no gun laws ever, or more specifically for every 1 that argues that, there is a corresponding nut that says no guns ever no way no how. That part of the debate is simply irrational.

2nd) just because a law doesn't pertain to you specifically doesn't make fighting it a wrong choice. In fact, there are many rational reasons why someone who won't be affected by a new law might still consider the law itself flawed

3rd) ah, the old save one child argument. Again, will you ban cars, pools, super sugary sodas, bow and arrows, hunting knives, slingshots, darts and dartboards. You make laws that protect, you don't make laws to bubble wrap.

4th) you might not think it has to do with 2nd Amendment issues, but seeing as how it specifically states "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed", I think that it has to always be looked at to some degree through that lens.

5th) after setting up a strawman of no laws, you turn around and use the reverse as proof, saying they aren't 100%.

6th) Lots of things "stop one death", that is not a sound basis for writing laws affecting 350million people.

Every one of those points is not even about arguing the merits of your position or what you presume mine to be, it's simply showing that for debate, and rational discussion, they are not very good starting points.[/quote]


1) Yes they are, ..the Pep Boys from this forum and the NRA among others want NO new laws at all.
2)wow, in this situation I will disagree with you.
3) Saving the life of one child never gets old you want to regulate guns like we do cars and drivers or even pools hell yes fine with me. News Flash ....bubble wrap is protection
4) Nope that's the old sky is falling defense ..the 'Second Amendment "scare the public that the government will kick open their doors and take their guns is BS and anyone that preaches it knows it's a lie. Do the back ground check if the gun buyer is clean he gets his gun, simple.
5) Turn around, nope just answering your question. I want the laws and they will help ...will it stop everything no,...see #4
6) Bet you if I ask any one parent from Newtown .....they would side with me in saying you're the one wrong. So to answer you if it stops one death and the people still get to shoot and use guns that want to, then yes enact the laws.



CR, while I appreciate your approach on the subject I also reject your summation at the end , I think they are all great starting points. I'm still waiting to hear one good argument in sacrificing children for the sake of no new gun laws or background checks?

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[quote=Giantone;1008907]1) Yes they are, ..the Pep Boys from this forum and the NRA among others want NO new laws at all.[/quote]

We already have enough laws on the books, ENFORCE THEM FIRST!

[quote=Giantone;1008907]2)wow, in this situation I will disagree with you.[/quote]

That's the best you have?


[quote=Giantone;1008907]3) Saving the life of one child never gets old you want to regulate guns like we do cars and drivers or even pools hell yes fine with me. News Flash ....bubble wrap is protection [/quote]

It also stagnates any kind of progress.

[quote=Giantone;1008907]4) Nope that's the old sky is falling defense ..the 'Second Amendment "scare the public that the government will kick open their doors and take their guns is BS and anyone that preaches it knows it's a lie. Do the back ground check if the gun buyer is clean he gets his gun, simple.[/quote]

As we have evidence that it's the natural progression of these things why should people be ok with it?

[quote=Giantone;1008907]5) Turn around, nope just answering your question. I want the laws and they will help ...will it stop everything no,...see #4[/quote]

It won't make a difference as the current laws, when violated, are rarely prosecuted. [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/ted-cruzs-claim-on-gun-background-check-prosecutions/2013/04/11/e4c4fa6e-a2ed-11e2-82bc-511538ae90a4_blog.html"]Here[/URL]:

[URL="https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/bjs/grants/239272.pdf"]2010[/URL]: [B]72,659 denials[/B]
34,459 felony convictions/indictments
13,862 fugitives
[B]44 prosecutions[/B] (0.06 percent of denials)
[URL="https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/bjs/grants/234173.pdf"]2009[/URL]: [B]67,324 denials[/B]
32,652 felony convictions/indictments
11,341 fugitives
[B]77 prosecutions[/B] (0.11 percent)
[URL="https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/bjs/231052.pdf"]2008[/URL]: [B]70,725 denials[/B]
39,526 felony convictions/indictments
9,464 fugitives
[B]105 prosecutions [/B](0.15 percent)
[URL="https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/bjs/grants/227604.pdf"]2007[/URL]: [B]73,992 denials[/B]
23,703 felony convictions/indictments
4,803 fugitives
[B]122 prosecutions[/B] (0.16 percent)

[URL="https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/bjs/grants/222474.pdf"]2006[/URL]: [B]69,930 denials[/B]
25,259 felony convictions/indictments
4,235 fugitives
[B]112 prosecutions[/B] (0.16 percent)

[URL="http://bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/bcft05.pdf"]2005[/URL]: [B]66,705 denials[/B]
36.8 percent felony convictions/indictments
5.3 percent fugitives
[B]135 prosecutions[/B] (0.20 percent)


[quote=Giantone;1008907]6) Bet you if I ask any one parent from Newtown .....they would side with me in saying you're the one wrong. So to answer you if it stops one death and the people still get to shoot and use guns that want to, then yes enact the laws.[/quote]

Ask Mark Mattioli. You lose your bet, but you're in the business of rhetoric not facts so it's hardly surprising.


CR, while I appreciate your approach on the subject I also reject your summation at the end , I think they are all great starting points. I'm still waiting to hear one good argument [B]in sacrificing children for the sake of no new gun laws or background checks?[/B][/QUOTE]

Yeah, because that's what pro gun rights people are saying, you ****ing weasel.

:puke:

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[COLOR="Red"]sacrificing children for the sake of no new gun laws .....[/COLOR]

Awesome....best hyperbole I've read this week.
Next you'll mention the opinion of a Newtown parent.
Oh wait, you already did.
You should apply to be Piers Morgans sidekick.

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[quote=Giantone;1008907]1) Yes they are, ..the Pep Boys from this forum and the NRA among others want NO new laws at all.
2)wow, in this situation I will disagree with you.
3) Saving the life of one child never gets old you want to regulate guns like we do cars and drivers or even pools hell yes fine with me. News Flash ....bubble wrap is protection
4) Nope that's the old sky is falling defense ..the 'Second Amendment "scare the public that the government will kick open their doors and take their guns is BS and anyone that preaches it knows it's a lie. Do the back ground check if the gun buyer is clean he gets his gun, simple.
5) Turn around, nope just answering your question. I want the laws and they will help ...will it stop everything no,...see #4
6) Bet you if I ask any one parent from Newtown .....they would side with me in saying you're the one wrong. So to answer you if it stops one death and the people still get to shoot and use guns that want to, then yes enact the laws.



CR, while I appreciate your approach on the subject I also reject your summation at the end , I think they are all great starting points. I'm still waiting to hear one good argument in sacrificing children for the sake of no new gun laws or background checks?[/quote]
1) again, you change the statement. true, new gun laws are looked at with much scrutiny, but only because there are existing laws. You originally said, no laws period. New gun laws ought to be vetted very carefully, not inspired by emotional (usually flawed) situations.

2) I said that it's easy for an unaffected person to see a flaw in a law. Your response was "wow". So, not knowing much about you, except that you are a Giants fan, let me use this example. Suppose New York passed a law that says all NYJets fans are not mentally sane enough to drive on Sundays. The law doesn't affect you as a NYG fan, but surely you would question the merit of the law. Again, my point in this was only to refute your original statement that a person had no reason to be against a gun law because it didn't directly affect them.

3) We can and do regulate guns, even more stringently in some aspects than cars(ie no background check for a drivers license). Certainly, you could save one more child if the law required no distractions like video players, music, eating of fast food meals, in a moving vehicle, but that is, by most accounts, to much of an infringement on personal choice. There is a rational line, which is not defined by "saving one more child", that laws should be derived from.

4) Last I checked background checks are required for any commercial sale? You shift your argument to suit your needs, or you don't understand what is really being proposed. And again, the main point, which you deflect, is that all gun laws should be vetted against the 2nd amendment and whether a right is infringed. When it is being infringed, you have to answer more questions than just is it a popular sentiment, and look more deeply at the underlying causes.

5) no comment.

6) and if you ask one parent whose babysitter let their child die due to negligence at a pool they will want better regulations, and if you ask one person in the hospital for some horrible disease do they want better regulations, they will say yes. Emotional distress does not, and will not ever, in my opinion, lead to better laws.

In answer to your last question, none of the laws that are being discussed would have prevented Newtown. One child should never be a statistic, but the phrase has become overwhelmingly used to justify steps and laws that are rationally illogical, and ineffective.

To ask a question off of your question, what is the line for the number of children saved?

if last year 1000 children died as a result of "x", is that ok?
if last year 100 children died as a result of "x", is that ok?
if last year 10 children died as a result of "x", is that ok?
if last year 1 children died as a result of "x", is that ok?

At what point does "x" need to be outlawed completely, because even 1 child died due to it.

I am not saying that you don't do reasonably, and well thought out steps towards protecting life, but please don't use the argument if it saves just one, because it's an intellectually bankrupt, and emotionally charged, method of persuasion.

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Well stated, CRR.

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Again, a child's life when lost is a sad thing, so I almost hate myself for using this article to carry on my comments from earlier, but not so much as I hate the "if even 1 <insert appropriate sympathetic figure> is saved" fallacy.

[url=http://news.yahoo.com/woman-2-young-children-stabbed-san-jose-155744100.html]Woman, 2 young children stabbed in San Jose[/url]

[QUOTE]A woman and 1-year-old boy were killed and a 3-year-old girl was wounded in a triple stabbing on Wednesday near San Jose, authorities said.
...
After an intense search for several hours, Ruben Ramirez, 27, was taken into custody without incident Wednesday night in San Francisco with the help of U.S. Marshals and police, authorities said.
...
Ramirez suffers from mental health problems and authorities have had prior contact with him, Stenderup said.[/QUOTE]

By GiantOne's logic of if even one life is saved is far more appropriate to this case since the person of interest has mental health issues. I am sure that GiantOne will now join with me in the just and righteous call for background checks before purchasing any kitchen utensils with a blade. GiantOne, I will send you the bill for my campaign travels.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1009305]Again, a child's life when lost is a sad thing, so I almost hate myself for using this article to carry on my comments from earlier, but not so much as I hate the "if even 1 <insert appropriate sympathetic figure> is saved" fallacy.

[url=http://news.yahoo.com/woman-2-young-children-stabbed-san-jose-155744100.html]Woman, 2 young children stabbed in San Jose[/url]



By GiantOne's logic of if even one life is saved is far more appropriate to this case since the person of interest has mental health issues. I am sure that GiantOne will now join with me in the just and righteous call for background checks before purchasing any kitchen utensils with a blade. GiantOne, I will send you the bill for my campaign travels.[/quote]

It wont matter because when you're just plain scared shitless of firearms like he is you cant apply logic.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1009308]It wont matter because when you're just plain scared shitless of firearms like he is you cant apply logic.[/quote]

:rofl:

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While on the subject of guns I have decided to buy me a pump shot gun. What would be a good gun to have around just in case. We are in our new house and the only house on our street. Heard something last night (probably a deer trying to get into my beer) but decided its time.

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I would recommend you get a .45 ACP Glock HK or similar because it's easier to defend a shorter barrel from an intruder than a longer, more unwieldy barrel.

Use a Hydrshok hollowpoint round and 'three round' the intruder.

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No, you want this shotgun.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPGT0JWqtFo]Kel-Tec KSG Bullpup Pump-Action 12 Gauge Shotgun - Gunblast.com - YouTube[/ame]

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[url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22288564]BBC News - Why is violent crime so rare in Iceland?[/url]

I think you guys should read this. Gives some good insight about countries with lots of guns, but low crime rates.

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Two vastly different countries.......

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[quote=RedskinRat;1009324]I would recommend you get a .45 ACP Glock HK or similar because it's easier to defend a shorter barrel from an intruder than a longer, more unwieldy barrel.

Use a Hydrshok hollowpoint round and 'three round' the intruder.[/quote]

I'm sticking to a pump shot gun. Pump it once and most anyone in the house is getting the F out.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1009521]Two vastly different countries.......[/quote]

Did you read it?

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1009332]No, you want this shotgun.

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPGT0JWqtFo]Kel-Tec KSG Bullpup Pump-Action 12 Gauge Shotgun - Gunblast.com - YouTube[/url][/quote]

jeez, im glad we are becoming so efficient with killing each other. smh

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1009305]Again, a child's life when lost is a sad thing, so I almost hate myself for using this article to carry on my comments from earlier, but not so much as I hate the "if even 1 <insert appropriate sympathetic figure> is saved" fallacy.

[URL="http://news.yahoo.com/woman-2-young-children-stabbed-san-jose-155744100.html"]Woman, 2 young children stabbed in San Jose[/URL]



By GiantOne's logic of if even one life is saved is far more appropriate to this case since the person of interest has mental health issues. I am sure that GiantOne will now join with me in the just and righteous call for background checks before purchasing any kitchen utensils with a blade. GiantOne, I will send you the bill for my campaign travels.[/quote]

I see you can make jokes as others lose their lives, interesting how you right wing gun nuts do that try and make things lite ,spin it to suit you.



[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/jeffrey-nugent-says-his-brother-ted-nugent-is-wrong-on-background-checks/2013/05/17/cdbfca92-bca6-11e2-89c9-3be8095fe767_story.html?hpid=z2"]Jeffrey Nugent says his brother Ted Nugent is wrong on background checks - The Washington Post[/URL]

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[quote=NC_Skins;1009511][URL="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22288564"]BBC News - Why is violent crime so rare in Iceland?[/URL]

I think you guys should read this. Gives some good insight about countries with lots of guns, but low crime rates.[/quote]



LOL, gives one students opinion .

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Gun nuts.......****ing hippie cunt.

I'm a 'Right-wing gun nut' the same way you're a leftie, peacenik, trouser-lover. Cos, you know your obsessed with trousers, right?

Bet you're ever wearing a pair now.

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[quote=Giantone;1009567]LOL, gives one students opinion .[/quote]

I'm confused. Did you not understand the article?


[quote]First - and arguably foremost - there is virtually no difference among upper, middle and lower classes in Iceland. And with that, tension between economic classes is non-existent, a rare occurrence for any country.

A study of the Icelandic class system done by a University of Missouri master's student found only 1.1% of participants identified themselves as upper class, while 1.5% saw themselves as lower class.

The remaining 97% identified themselves as upper-middle class, lower-middle class, or working class.[/quote]

This isn't somebody's opinion.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1009569]I'm confused. Did you not understand the article?




This isn't somebody's opinion.[/quote]

Of course GiantOne didn't, it may change his opinion.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1009569]I'm confused. Did you not understand the article?




This isn't somebody's opinion.[/quote]

So what.....we could never be like that.....interesting article but apples and oranges.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1009573]So what.....we could never be like that.....interesting article but apples and oranges.[/quote]

They've had a couple of thousand more years of being them than the US has, being a toddler amongst adult nations.

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[quote=RedskinRat;1009568]Gun nuts.......****ing hippie cunt.

.[/quote]


class.

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[quote=Giantone;1009595]class.[/quote]

Not much different than the shit you have been slinging.
Why dont you go cry to some Giants fans....

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1009598]Not much different than the shit you have been slinging.
Why dont you go cry to some Giants fans....[/quote]


I keep the football stuff where it belongs and that's not here, this section of the forums has nothing to do with football.