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^^ No. But Bernstine is coming off a shredded knee and a year lay off. He may make the team, but I think it likely he is headed to the PS unless he really lights it up in the preseason.

I think he is in competition with Doughty and Pugh (mostly Pugh) for the final safety spot. He, however, can probably be safely stashed on the PS for a year unlike Doughty, Pugh, Thomas or Rambo.

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[quote=SBXVII;1008443]Rambo also supposedly led the college league in INT's either last year or the year before. Which is a huge plus.[/quote]

Rambo was actually second two years ago to our second round pick, Amerson. Last year, it was led by Philip Thomas.

So we have the top 2 in terms of ints. from 2011 and the best in 2012 for FBS schools.

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Every single DB rookie will make the team simply because we don't have anybody. Sure Doughty played well last year but he still cant get up to deflect a pass. Also, out of all the DBs we drafted I believe Rambo is the only sure bet starter on opening Sunday.

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I think folks are (understandably) inclined to believe the 3 R DBs are a lock mostly because of how porous our secondary was last year. Having said that, the earlier comment that it would be unusual for all 3 to make the 53-man roster seems more consistent with history, and I would expect that unless each of them shows something in training camp (and I expect them to), they will be relegate to the PS -- even if we expect some other team to pick them up. We won the NFC East last year (with a rookie QB and RB no less) and folks are thinking now is time to see if we can get deeper into the playoffs. I doubt Shanallen are thinking of storing guys on the PS as part of a rebuilding project for future seasons. The future is now. I expect Shanallen to select the players that they think can get us to win the most games right now.

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[quote=Chico23231;1008444]Are people forgetting about Jordan Bernstine?[/quote]

I think so. Lots of players improve by leaps between their rookie season and their first year as vets. Bernstine may be one of them, although his case is clouded by injury. IMO also Compton and Crawford may be a lot better this year. To me these players will be the most interesting to watch in preseason. the fixes for some positions may have been on the team before the draft even happened.

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[quote=calia;1008470]I think folks are (understandably) inclined to believe the 3 R DBs are a lock mostly because of how porous our secondary was last year. Having said that, the earlier comment that it would be unusual for all 3 to make the 53-man roster seems more consistent with history, and I would expect that unless each of them shows something in training camp (and I expect them to), they will be relegate to the PS -- even if we expect some other team to pick them up. We won the NFC East last year (with a rookie QB and RB no less) and folks are thinking now is time to see if we can get deeper into the playoffs. I doubt Shanallen are thinking of storing guys on the PS as part of a rebuilding project for future seasons. The future is now. I expect Shanallen to select the players that they think can get us to win the most games right now.[/quote]

This was a deep DB draft class. Your draft position and how good you are don't necessarily go hand-in-hand. Not to mention the fact that Shanahan said the safeties the Skins drafted were rated 9/10 and 10/10 respectively by the Skins. They are all making the team.

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[quote=Lotus;1008472]I think so. Lots of players improve by leaps between their rookie season and their first year as vets. Bernstine may be one of them, although his case is clouded by injury. IMO also Compton and Crawford may be a lot better this year. To me these players will be the most interesting to watch in preseason. the fixes for some positions may have been on the team before the draft even happened.[/quote]


I expect Crawford to be a solid starter by the end of the season and unseat Josh Wilson.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1008474]I expect Crawford to be a solid starter by the end of the season and unseat Josh Wilson.[/quote]


well, sir, you seem to expect too much.

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[quote=That Guy;1008482]well, sir, you seem to expect too much.[/quote]

I expect u r right

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I don't know about Crawford. He showe some good things but also showed a propensity to be out of position quite a bit. I do not expect him to unseat Wilson any time soon and honestly Wilson is the most solid of all of our DBs. I don't expect him to be unseated by anyone this year. DHall MAY be a candidate for that tag though.

As far as Bernstine goes, honestly I didn't see enough of him to form an opinion. Also it will be hard for him to get better by leaps and bounds when this year will essentially be his rookie year. He was hurt game one so all of that game experience that helps rookies make the leap he missed.

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[quote=That Guy;1008482]well, sir, you seem to expect too much.[/quote]

It happens. I just go with it. Not saying he will be the greatest Redskin on Mount Rushmore, but I think he will come through and have a good season.

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[quote=Mattyk;1008391]It would be a pretty big surprise to me if one of our rookie DB picks didn't make the team.

Although they might not start right away I think they'll all be in the mix early and often.[/quote]

Agreed. Both the safeties are "safe" type players to me. At worst they're average to decent starters at some point barring injury. Amerson has the highest ceiling but may be the only one with real bust potential...but he'll have ever opportunity to be our third corner.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1008474]I expect Crawford to be a solid starter by the end of the season and unseat Josh Wilson.[/quote]

That would be a sweet outcome.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1008474]I expect Crawford to be a solid starter by the end of the season and unseat Josh Wilson.[/quote]

I know they loved him out of camp last year but he didn't play well early in the season and only played ok at the end. His smarts and approach can only do so much and appear to not be enough to overcome his skill deficiencies.

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[quote=FRPLG;1008500][B]I know they loved him out of camp last year but he didn't play well early in the season and only played ok at the end[/B]. His smarts and approach can only do so much and appear to not be enough to overcome his skill deficiencies.[/quote]

To the bolded part... Thats just a mirror image of all of our DB's last year, as well as the rest of the defense. The defense started going much more disguised blitzes later in the year, and the defense as a whole improved late.

To the not bolded part... While I didnt review film of Crawford nor did I know exactly what defense was called, but a lot of what I saw last year with Crawford seemed more about him being out of position. More about him reading the play late, therefore arriving late. It seemed more about his smarts than his skill. Could be wrong but thats what it seemed like to me. I suspect that he will play faster this year, although im not claiming he will improve enough to start without injuries dictating it.

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[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDs1YNmEC10]Jordan Reed vs South Carolina 2012 - YouTube[/url]

I also put this in the draft wrap up thread. Really shows how versatile he is and what he brings. I think he ends up being our number 2 TE through camp if he can stay healthy. Guy is an athlete. Yes, he has to shore up his blocking but Fred Davis needed to do that as well when he came out.

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[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1707573-previewing-the-players-on-redskins-roster-bubble]Previewing the Players on Redskins' Roster Bubble | Bleacher Report[/url][/QUOTE]

Bleacher has Royster, J.Pugh, Gomes, A. Gettis and A. Robinson on the bubble. I am unsurprised by Royster, Pugh or Gomes and would not be surprised if none make the roster based on last year's performance, the crowd at their positions and this year's draft (when they pick two guys at your position - a message is being sent).

Gettis - I had hopes for him based on his pedigree and his draft reports. But, his reviews never seemed to stand out, never heard any one say that he was impressive or stood out (unlike LeRibeus for example). He may get a pass this year or he may just be the next Eric Cook. I thought he might have a leg up on Mo Hurt, but am now thinking it might be the other way around as Hurt can play tackle and guard.

Robinson - agree with Bleacher Report, he is pretty much a one trick pony. I would bet he makes the roster over Henderson or Stallworth but it would be a tiny, tiny bet.

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Yeah to get this thread going again, I think that Gomes, Pugh, Royster are all bubble guys. Gettis I think makes the roster. And Robinson I don't get because he can run slants, drags, hitches and deep routes very well, IMO and I think he'll be the replacement for Moss after this year.

EDIT

I agree with all these except Reed Doughty

[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1686192-bubble-watch-for-redskins-training-camp/page/1]Bubble Watch for Redskins Training Camp | Bleacher Report[/url]

Who may make the final roster

[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1686193-projected-redskins-final-53-man-roster-training-camp-edition/page/1]Projected Washington Redskins Final 53-Man Roster, Training Camp Edition | Bleacher Report[/url]

Who are the rookies and undrafted guys to look out for

[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1686191-rookie-undrafted-free-agent-watch-for-redskins-training-camp/page/1]Rookie, Undrafted Free Agent Watch for Redskins Training Camp | Bleacher Report[/url]

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1015931][url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1707573-previewing-the-players-on-redskins-roster-bubble]Previewing the Players on Redskins' Roster Bubble | Bleacher Report[/url][/quote]

Bleacher has Royster, J.Pugh, Gomes, A. Gettis and A. Robinson on the bubble. I am unsurprised by Royster, Pugh or Gomes and would not be surprised if none make the roster based on last year's performance, the crowd at their positions and this year's draft (when they pick two guys at your position - a message is being sent).

Gettis - I had hopes for him based on his pedigree and his draft reports. But, his reviews never seemed to stand out, never heard any one say that he was impressive or stood out (unlike LeRibeus for example). He may get a pass this year or he may just be the next Eric Cook. I thought he might have a leg up on Mo Hurt, but am now thinking it might be the other way around as Hurt can play tackle and guard.

Robinson - agree with Bleacher Report, he is pretty much a one trick pony. I would bet he makes the roster over Henderson or Stallworth but it would be a tiny, tiny bet.[/QUOTE]

Royster-Definitely on the bubble. His best bet is either they keep 2 FBs and he stays on as a backup to DY. Or Helu gets hurt again, they don't sign another veteran, and decide they need to have a vet other than Morris in the backfield roster,

Pugh-I like him, think he stays at least early on in the season

Gomes-Unless he totally beasts on special teams this summer and proves indispensable there, he's gone

Gettis-Practice squad

Robinson-Needs to improve his blocking, and not just be a speedster. I think bringing Henderson (a speedster who blocks) in was a message to Robinson. But Shanahan loves him and he's likely to stay

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What are the chances that the League allows for a larger roster with the emphasis on more active players in order to mitigate the injuries we hear so much about?

Not this season, obviously.

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I could see that happening someday.

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So MS loves Robinson? Interesting. I guess he is the 5th WR spot is his to lose.

At the same time, I thought I remember you (Smootsmack) indicating that Hankerson may not be as secure as some here believe. Do you see the potential for him being cut in favor of Henderson or Stallworth?

Right now we have:

88 Garçon, Pierre (5)
15 Morgan, Joshua (5)
89 Moss, Santana (12)
85 Hankerson, Leonard (2)
11 Robinson, Aldrick (1)
14 Stallworth, Donté (11)
19 Briscoe, Dezmon (1)
00 Henderson, Devery (10)
13 Reeves, Chip (R)
16 Dawson, Skye (R)
86 Lewis, Lance (R)
13 Williams, Nick (R)

Say we keep six, I guess the question is: Is it eight guys fighting for two spots or seven guys fighting for one? Are any of the rookies likely to be anything more than PS guys (if even that)? If Hankerson is susceptable, do any of the rookies have a shot?

I think I have said this before, it is nice that, whoever we cut, the guys fighting for the spot are clearly NFL guys who could start or play significant time for other teams. Very, very different from the Jabar Gaffney year just two years ago.

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I'd sacrifice a ST spot for an extra WR.

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I think Hankerson makes it. Dez, Donte, and Devery battle for the last spot

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How many WRs do you guys think we keep if we keep 4 TEs? I know you need backups, but how many times did the Redskins run a 4 WR set? It seems like we ran a lot of 2 WR, 2TE, 1 RB sets or took out a TE for a FB (D Young). When you run Read/Option do you need to carry 7 or 8 WRs? The TE situation last year after Davis went down was Paulson, Paul and Cooley I guess. They kept Brandon Banks a lot last year as a WR, even though he was really ST. If Crawford/Paul fulfill that roll, I think they only keep 6 WR, 4 TEs this year.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1015951]I think Hankerson makes it. Dez, Donte, and Devery battle for the last spot[/quote]

Do you think, we a very strong showing in camp at both the position and on ST, one of the rookies could make the final 53? Or do you think MS/KS prefer to have a vet in that last spot as a "just in case" measure?

I am thinking that the 6th WR spot is a vet/game-day inactive spot in case we come up short due to injuries.

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I don't know that any of them will stand out enough, but we'll see I suppose

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As for Gettis and the O-Line, here is what we have:

Williams, Trent - T (4)
Lichtensteiger, Kory - G/C (5)
Montgomery, Will - C/G (8)
Chester, Chris - G (8)
LeRibeus, Josh - G/C (2)
Hurt, Maurice - G/T (2)
[I]Locks. [/I]

Gettis, Adam - G (2)
Compton, Tom - T (2)

Polumbus, Tyler - T (5)
Nixon, Xavier - T (R)
Pashos, Tony - T (10)
Trueblood, Jeremy - T (8)
Mathews, Kevin - C (3)
Ashworth, Jacolby - OL (R)
Stevens, Tevita - OL (R)
Wilborn, Kyle - OL (R)

I really, really don't know how this shakes out. To me, the RT is as close to "wide open" as any position on the team although Polumbus gets the tiniest of bumps for continuity sake. If all else roughly equal, Polumbus keeps his job as starter. If Pashos or Trueblood perform better, they make it. Again, and for the same reason, Polumbus might get the benefit of the doubt on a roster spot, but I wouldn't be surprised if he is gone entirely. I see Polumbus, Trueblood and Pashos fighting for one spot with Hurt as the primary back-up at tackle.

I have Hurt and LeRibeus as locks for the 53 but don't think either is starting.

Compton is only practicing as a left tackle and they won't play him at RT until he learns teh LT spot. To me, that says they aren't confident of his ability and see him as nothing more than a back-up. I may be wrong, but, again, I would not be surprised if he doesn't make the final 53. I think he is still PS eligible.

Gettis goes to PS and Mathews is cut. With Hurt & LeRibeus and the versatility of the interior guys, just don't see us carrying an extra "guard only" / "center only" guys. Chester has the "one OL position only" spot on the roster and will likely continue to hold it.

Nixon had good reviews for an undrafted guy but, well, he is an undrafted guy. I watched his tape - he had some good stuff and bad stuff. Seemed slow and played high, but with some strength. At times, he showed some athleticism but, mostly, seem lumbering and stiff. Not sure which is the real guy. He is PS if he is anything. Hope I am wrong though.

Doubt any of the others make the roster or PS.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1015958]I don't know that any of them will stand out enough, but we'll see I suppose[/quote]

I suppose we will. I remember reading good things about Lewis and Dawson.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1015959]As for Gettis and the O-Line, here is what we have:

Williams, Trent - T (4)
Lichtensteiger, Kory - G/C (5)
Montgomery, Will - C/G (8)
Chester, Chris - G (8)
LeRibeus, Josh - G/C (2)
[B]Hurt, Maurice - G/T[/B] (2)
[I]Locks. [/I]

Gettis, Adam - G (2)
Compton, Tom - T (2)

Polumbus, Tyler - T (5)
Nixon, Xavier - T (R)
Pashos, Tony - T (10)
Trueblood, Jeremy - T (8)
Mathews, Kevin - C (3)
Ashworth, Jacolby - OL (R)
Stevens, Tevita - OL (R)
Wilborn, Kyle - OL (R)

I really, really don't know how this shakes out. To me, the RT is as close to "wide open" as any position on the team although Polumbus gets the tiniest of bumps for continuity sake. If all else roughly equal, Polumbus keeps his job as starter. If Pashos or Trueblood perform better, they make it. Again, and for the same reason, Polumbus might get the benefit of the doubt on a roster spot, but I wouldn't be surprised if he is gone entirely. [B]I see Polumbus, Trueblood and Pashos fighting for one spot with Hurt as the primary back-up at tackle.
[/B]
I have Hurt and LeRibeus as locks for the 53 but don't think either is starting.

Compton is only practicing as a left tackle and they won't play him at RT until he learns teh LT spot. To me, that says they aren't confident of his ability and see him as nothing more than a back-up. I may be wrong, but, again, I would not be surprised if he doesn't make the final 53. I think he is still PS eligible.

Gettis goes to PS and Mathews is cut. With Hurt & LeRibeus and the versatility of the interior guys, just don't see us carrying an extra "guard only" / "center only" guys. Chester has the "one OL position only" spot on the roster and will likely continue to hold it.

Nixon had good reviews for an undrafted guy but, well, he is an undrafted guy. I watched his tape - he had some good stuff and bad stuff. Seemed slow and played high, but with some strength. At times, he showed some athleticism but, mostly, seem lumbering and stiff. Not sure which is the real guy. He is PS if he is anything. Hope I am wrong though.

Doubt any of the others make the roster or PS.[/quote]

I'm not sure of Hurt as a 'lock'. He's been the primary backup but he obviously hadn't locked it down (no pun intended) so much that they didn't bring in two veterans in Pashos and Trueblood to compete. If anyone is a lock it's Polumbus.. He got a two year deal and is the returning starter. Hurt, Pashos and Trueblood may be battling for that one spot.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1015960]I suppose we will. I remember reading good things about Lewis and Dawson.[/quote]

I think Dawson takes 2 PR back in the pre-season and makes the team that way.

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is Niles Paul still kind of TE, or is he back playing WR?

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This is how I rank them.

Williams, Trent - T (4)
Lichtensteiger, Kory - G/C (5)
Montgomery, Will - C/G (8)
Chester, Chris - G (8)
Polumbus, Tyler - T (5)
LeRibeus, Josh - G/C (2)
Hurt, Maurice - G/T (2)

[I]Locks. [/I]


Compton, Tom - T (2)
Gettis, Adam - G (2)
Nixon, Xavier - T (R)
Pashos, Tony - T (10)
Trueblood, Jeremy - T (8)

Mathews, Kevin - C (3)
Ashworth, Jacolby - OL (R)
Stevens, Tevita - OL (R)
Wilborn, Kyle - OL (R)



Anything could happen on this unit.
IMO Polumbus short of having some kind of breakdown will make the team. His size, age and (now) experience make him the 'starter', but that is not written in stone. Word is he has worked hard this offseason and there is some hope of improvement on his pass blocking. But that is subject to verification in a game.

OT Xavier Nixon kind of intrigues me a little. Let our excellent O-line Coach's work with him and let him learn the Shanahan's system. This a big strong kid, he might have some up side.?.?

LB Brandon Jenkins is another guy I look forward to see play. He was a Round 5, pick 29, overall 162 bargain because he was injured most of 2012. He could have gone back to FSU but opted for draft instead. It benefited us because this guy when healthy is a productive athlete that could displace some one on this roster. It will be great to watch.

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[quote=Paintrain;1015967]I'm not sure of Hurt as a 'lock'. He's been the primary backup but he obviously hadn't locked it down (no pun intended) so much that they didn't bring in two veterans in Pashos and Trueblood to compete. If anyone is a lock it's Polumbus.. He got a two year deal and is the returning starter. Hurt, Pashos and Trueblood may be battling for that one spot.[/quote]

Except that Hurt also plays guard. I don't think Pashos or Trueblood do. That's why I think Hurt makes the 53. He's pretty much the first guy off the bench at any position except center.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1015975]Except that Hurt also plays guard. I don't think Pashos or Trueblood do. That's why I think Hurt makes the 53. He's pretty much the first guy off the bench at any position except center.[/quote]

I'd agree with that, flexibility gives him an edge.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1015975]Except that Hurt also plays guard. I don't think Pashos or Trueblood do. That's why I think Hurt makes the 53. He's pretty much the first guy off the bench at any position except center.[/quote]

Good point.. How much Gettis has improved could factor into that as well. I won't be surprised if Hurt makes the 53 just unsure if it's a 100% lock.