Re: Pat White or Sexxy Rexy
 

[quote=NYCskinfan82;1013451]If cut Rex might not want to retire, a team might take him just to learn our playbook.[/quote]

This could be true.
I remember the Giants did this when we cut someone several years back. I think it was because we our season opener was against them. During the season, teams would be unlikely to take up a roster spot just to sign White or Rex to learn our playbook.

If I were the Skins...i'd release them very early or very late to protect against this risk. I see only the Eagles as a team that would be interested in this. But since they have such a QB controversy...I doubt they would do it...because no team would ever admit to sign a QB for preseason only to spy a playbook.

Other early opponents are GB, Lions, Raiders.
I don't think they'd do it either since they have tape.

The team to spy would be the Eagles since they have a new offense...if I were the Skins GM...I would pick up an early Eagle's offensive cut...hopefully a QB or WR.

Remember, Coughlin did this to us and won 2 SBs with the Giants...he is a clever coach. Shanny is no dummy but I don't know if he has ever done this in his years. Anyone know?

It is arguable that Zorn did this to the GMen too.
[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8126fa6c/article/coughlin-suspects-redskins-motives-after-signing-exgiants-qb-woodson]Coughlin suspects Redskins' motives after signing ex-Giants QB Woodson - NFL.com[/url]

And Arrington in 06 apparently gave Coughlin the Redskins Playbook
"He said he even gave a copy of the Redskins' playbook to Giants Coach Tom Coughlin."
[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/05/AR2006100501218.html]Giants' Arrington Gets in the Mood[/url]

Re: Pat White or Sexxy Rexy
 

[quote=NYCskinfan82;1013451]If cut Rex might not want to retire, a team might take him just to learn our playbook.[/quote]

All he made last year was around a million, would that be a bad salary to absorb into the coaching staff.


Of course Grossman didn't even get a sniff this offseason or last. So he could be done and brought on as a coach so he had a job. Of course he said he made plenty of money sometime in either this offseason or last so he may not want a career in football anymore.

Re: Pat White or Sexxy Rexy
 

Wow, Can't understand why I'm considered ignorant? or the discussion? This is what this website is all about isn't it? people discussing their opinions, sharing news, and just talking? Now if your opinion is not the popular one threads get closed. Hmmm.

So I've come here to the very thread the discussion was started for.

If you don't want talk or read about it.... don't come right?

I find it amazing how I show stats and prove PW has a better passer rating this preseason 57% to RG1 53% and for whatever reason people are still saying RG1 is a better passer. Ok.

Yes RG1 did lead a team to the Super Bowl. Congrats to him, so tell me what he has done lately? over the last 2 yrs? Maybe, just maybe PW was in the wrong scheme in Miami and that is why he failed. Maybe now that he is in a similar offense he used in college and soared, just maybe he will shine. Plus he's not older then dirt.

I'm really suprised people are even talking about RG1's throwing ability. Isn't that what led to McNabb and us taking RG3 in the draft? Look RG1 might be able to pass but he throws to the wrong people too often.

Re: Pat White or Sexxy Rexy
 

Pat White cannot get the ball downfield. Pat White cannot run through progressions. Pat White requires the offense to be limited to a run-option game with a single receiver patterns. He has a 3.8 yard/attempt ratio [I]in preseason against scrubs[/I]!!

The Shanahan offense IS NOT THE COLLEGE OPTION THAT WHITE RAN IN COLLEGE!!!
You keep making this assertion and it is wrong, wrong, wrong. It is the very reason I posted the article in the other thread.

Yes - Your continued assertion that White is an NFL caliber QB at any roster depth is ignorant. I say that with all kindness and respect to you as a person.

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;1012316]Rex would have to basically die to lose his roster spot to Pat White[/QUOTE]

End thread.

Re: Pat White or Sexxy Rexy
 

I'd like to see pw make it somewhere, don't think this is the team where he gets that chance. He is not what we need at this time. 3, kc and a proven vet who knows the system is what this team needs to succeed.

[QUOTE=Chico23231;1020112]I'd like to see pw make it somewhere, don't think this is the team where he gets that chance. He is not what we need at this time. 3, kc and a proven vet who knows the system is what this team needs to succeed.[/QUOTE]

I got nothing against the guy. He's just not an NFL caliber QB.

Re: Pat White or Sexxy Rexy
 

Rex's passer rating in game 1 of the preseason was 81%, in game 2 it was 84%

Pat White went from 70% to 19%

But you want to talk completion percentage. Ok. But Rex is averaging close to 7 yards a pass, pushing the ball downfield. Pat White is averaging under 4 yards. There are 30 RBs in the NFC this summer who are averaging at least as many yards per carry.

Plus Rex has more game day experience when it counts, knows the offense better, and has the respect of RG3, Kirk and the rest of the players.

There's also the fact that Pat White was drafted 4 years ago for the sole purpose of being a gimmick player. And 4 years later he still can't be much more than that.

I'd also add that Pat White's not even having as good a season as Richard Bartel or Kellen Clemens had in recent summers

But I could skip all of the above. The worst, the absolute worst, most ignorant, most uninformed argument in favor of Pat White is to claim that Pat White's running ability makes him a better fit for our scheme than Rex Grossman. The offense is certainly enhanced by RG3's running ability. But it's about so much more than that. This offense can't function if RG3 doesn't have a good arm, if he can't make the right reads. For Pat White the offense has been simplified greatly where the "read" part of read-option is basically non-existent.

I think it's fun to watch Pat White and I wish him well but he's nowhere near ready to play and we don't have time to develop someone who's already had 4 years

... and that is "End Thread".

Re: Pat White or Sexxy Rexy
 

[quote=SmootSmack;1020117]Rex's passer rating in game 1 of the preseason was 81%, in game 2 it was 84%

Pat White went from 70% to 19%

But you want to talk completion percentage. Ok. But Rex is averaging close to 7 yards a pass, pushing the ball downfield. Pat White is averaging under 4 yards. There are 30 RBs in the NFC this summer who are averaging at least as many yards per carry.

Plus Rex has more game day experience when it counts, knows the offense better, and has the respect of RG3, Kirk and the rest of the players.

There's also the fact that Pat White was drafted 4 years ago for the sole purpose of being a gimmick player. And 4 years later he still can't be much more than that.

I'd also add that Pat White's not even having as good a season as Richard Bartel or Kellen Clemens had in recent summers

But I could skip all of the above. The worst, the absolute worst, most ignorant, most uninformed argument in favor of Pat White is to claim that Pat White's running ability makes him a better fit for our scheme than Rex Grossman. The offense is certainly enhanced by RG3's running ability. But it's about so much more than that. This offense can't function if RG3 doesn't have a good arm, if he can't make the right reads. For Pat White the offense has been simplified greatly where the "read" part of read-option is basically non-existent.

I think it's fun to watch Pat White and I wish him well but he's nowhere near ready to play and we don't have time to develop someone who's already had 4 years[/quote][IMG]http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2aoqqQYS41r0hqfjo1_400.jpg[/IMG]

Re: Pat White or Sexxy Rexy
 

I think white can be the next joe Montana, if Rex was his head coach.

Re: Pat White or Sexxy Rexy
 

Id take Pat Sajak or Vanna White over Pat White. And possibly Pat McCrotch.

Re: Pat White or Sexxy Rexy
 

Why was this thread started?

Re: Pat White or Sexxy Rexy
 

Rex is still a very solid quarterback to come off the bench for you. It was fun watching Pat White play, but in the reality of things, Pat White is nowhere near ready. We know Rex can come in and compete, win a few games for us - that's pretty much what you ask for in a #3 quarterback. RG3, Cousins, and Grossman completely makes the quarterback position solid for us. I just hope our secondary is ready to step up this year.

Re: Pat White or Sexxy Rexy
 

[quote=SmootSmack;1020117]Rex's passer rating in game 1 of the preseason was 81%, in game 2 it was 84%

Pat White went from 70% to 19%

But you want to talk completion percentage. Ok. But Rex is averaging close to 7 yards a pass, pushing the ball downfield. Pat White is averaging under 4 yards. There are 30 RBs in the NFC this summer who are averaging at least as many yards per carry.

Plus Rex has more game day experience when it counts, knows the offense better, and has the respect of RG3, Kirk and the rest of the players.

There's also the fact that Pat White was drafted 4 years ago for the sole purpose of being a gimmick player. And 4 years later he still can't be much more than that.

I'd also add that Pat White's not even having as good a season as Richard Bartel or Kellen Clemens had in recent summers

But I could skip all of the above. The worst, the absolute worst, most ignorant, most uninformed argument in favor of Pat White is to claim that Pat White's running ability makes him a better fit for our scheme than Rex Grossman. The offense is certainly enhanced by RG3's running ability. But it's about so much more than that. This offense can't function if RG3 doesn't have a good arm, if he can't make the right reads. For Pat White the offense has been simplified greatly where the "read" part of read-option is basically non-existent.

I think it's fun to watch Pat White and I wish him well but he's nowhere near ready to play and we don't have time to develop someone who's already had 4 years[/quote]


/thread


Close this puppy up.

Re: Pat White or Sexxy Rexy
 

[quote=SmootSmack;1020117]Rex's passer rating in game 1 of the preseason was 81%, in game 2 it was 84%

Pat White went from 70% to 19%

But you want to talk completion percentage. Ok. But Rex is averaging close to 7 yards a pass, pushing the ball downfield. Pat White is averaging under 4 yards. There are 30 RBs in the NFC this summer who are averaging at least as many yards per carry.

Plus Rex has more game day experience when it counts, knows the offense better, and has the respect of RG3, Kirk and the rest of the players.

There's also the fact that Pat White was drafted 4 years ago for the sole purpose of being a gimmick player. And 4 years later he still can't be much more than that.

I'd also add that Pat White's not even having as good a season as Richard Bartel or Kellen Clemens had in recent summers

But I could skip all of the above. The worst, the absolute worst, most ignorant, most uninformed argument in favor of Pat White is to claim that Pat White's running ability makes him a better fit for our scheme than Rex Grossman. The offense is certainly enhanced by RG3's running ability. But it's about so much more than that. This offense can't function if RG3 doesn't have a good arm, if he can't make the right reads. For Pat White the offense has been simplified greatly where the "read" part of read-option is basically non-existent.

I think it's fun to watch Pat White and I wish him well but he's nowhere near ready to play and we don't have time to develop someone who's already had 4 years[/quote]

My guess is after we cut him he is sitting at home because no other team is going to pick him up. His best chance to hold a clip board in the NFL is if a team their QB go down and they need to add 3rd stringer as insurance.

Re: Pat White or Sexxy Rexy
 

If you're talking about Rex, I am betting he would be on someone's roster if we cut him. The state of QB'ing in the league makes him a valuable No.2 and a terrific No.3. Maybe last year he stays at home, this year? I am pretty sure his phone starts ringing the moment he hits the door.

The Jets, Bills and Raiders QB situation would drastically improve if Sexy Rexy was on their roster to name just three.

It will be interesting to see if anyone goes after White after he is cut. Once out of Kyle's offense, can he succeed? He is simply not a drop back QB but, as offenses are changing, maybe someone thinks he's worth keeping around. Hell, who knows, PW could be the next Seneca Wallace.

Re: Pat White or Sexxy Rexy
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;1020511]If you're talking about Rex, I am betting he would be on someone's roster if we cut him. The state of QB'ing in the league makes him a valuable No.2 and a terrific No.3. Maybe last year he stays at home, this year? I am pretty sure his phone starts ringing the moment he hits the door.

The Jets, Bills and Raiders QB situation would drastically improve if Sexy Rexy was on their roster to name just three.

It will be interesting to see if anyone goes after White after he is cut. Once out of Kyle's offense, can he succeed? He is simply not a drop back QB but, as offenses are changing, maybe someone thinks he's worth keeping around. Hell, who knows, PW could be the next Seneca Wallace.[/quote]

Alot of you seem to be missing the fact the Giants were interested in bringing him in

Re: Pat White or Sexxy Rexy
 

Pat White? Good for them. David Carr is their back-up. If David Carr was MY second string QB, I would be [I]interested[/I] in just about anyone at the QB position.

You think Rexy is an immobile, interception machine? Watch Carr and you will add "no pocket presence" and "sack machine" to your definition.

This is what I am saying, with Grossman - much as folks hate him, we are as good or better at the 3rd string QB position than most teams are at their 2nd string QB position. Buffalo, Oakland, Jets, Arizona - and those are just the obvious ones (who is Minnesota's back-up? Tennesee?).

Of these QB's who would you rather step in for RGIII/Cousins: Foles, Orton, Carr?

When White can throw the deep out (either on the boot or from the pocket), the long ball from the pocket, or demonstrate an ability to read defenses & go through progressions, then and only then is he a better emergency option than Sexy Rexy.

White has definitely shown the potential to be someone's developmental QB but that's just not needed on this team.

Re: Pat White or Sexxy Rexy
 

[quote=CASKINS;1020533]Alot of you seem to be missing the fact the Giants were interested in bringing him in[/quote]

Would they give him a roster spot now though?

Big difference in giving a guy a look in training camp vs a regular season spot.

Re: Pat White or Sexxy Rexy
 

Grossman could start for Buffalo, the Jets, Jacksonville and possibly Oakland if we let him go.

Even with the draft picks used on QBs recently in those places, they're all still a mess at the QB position.

White played more and was a lot more effective than I ever thought he'd be, but Rex is still a far better route to go. Our QB3 is better than some team's starters at this point...and better than a lot of backups.


[QUOTE=Mattyk;1020537]Would they give him a roster spot now though?

Big difference in giving a guy a look in training camp vs a regular season spot.[/QUOTE]

Around Week 12 they would give him a PS spot....preparing for us.

Re: Pat White or Sexxy Rexy
 

[quote=JoeRedskin;1020535]Pat White? Good for them. David Carr is their back-up. If David Carr was MY second string QB, I would be [I]interested[/I] in just about anyone at the QB position.
[/quote]

Ryan Nassib.


They're trade him to a QB-desperate team in a couple of years, unless Eli gets annihilated and can't suit up.





p.s. Smooty...QB ratings are not percentages.

Re: Pat White or Sexxy Rexy
 

White is not eligible for the PS as he was a roster player his first year with Miami. If he was PS eligible, I would have NO problem with him occupying a spot on ours. It is really where he belongs at this point.

Re: Pat White or Sexxy Rexy
 

im callin it now, if PW gets cut, he finds a team quickly

Re: Pat White or Sexxy Rexy
 

[quote=Chico23231;1020555]im callin it now, if PW gets cut, he finds a team quickly[/quote]

New England. :D

Re: Pat White or Sexxy Rexy
 

[quote=Chico23231;1020555]im callin it now, [B]if[/B] PW gets cut, he finds a team quickly[/quote]

I think it likely also. However, let's watch the TBay game and see how he does. Still have not seen him throw a deep ball or something other than a slant or dig.

AND, it's not an "IF" he gets cut, it's a "WHEN" he gets cut.

Re: Pat White or Sexxy Rexy
 

[quote=Chico23231;1020555]im callin it now, if PW gets cut, he finds a team quickly[/quote]

Arena League?

Re: Pat White or Sexxy Rexy
 

[quote=Chico23231;1020555]im callin it now, if PW gets cut, he finds a team quickly[/quote]

I think his play has earned him that for sure. He's not making this team though in any scenario.

Re: Pat White or Sexxy Rexy
 

I know one thing for sure, I'd take PW over Tebow all day long.

Re: Pat White or Sexxy Rexy
 

[quote=Chico23231;1020608]I know one thing for sure, I'd take PW over Tebow all day long.[/quote]

That's for damn sure.

Re: Pat White or Sexxy Rexy
 

[quote=Monkeydad;1020540]Ryan Nassib.


They're trade him to a QB-desperate team in a couple of years, unless Eli gets annihilated and can't suit up.





p.s. Smooty...QB ratings are not percentages.[/quote]

Typo on my part. Got thrown off by sbxvii doing that

Re: Pat White or Sexxy Rexy
 

[quote=Chico23231;1020608]I know one thing for sure, I'd take PW over Tebow all day long.[/quote]

Not setting the bar particularly high there Chico my man. That's like saying "I'd take a bowl of partially cooked bland rice over a bowl of piping hot sh**".

Tebow's limitations in the QB spot make PW look like John Elway (okay, maybe more like Tony Romo - still, you catch my drift).

Re: Pat White or Sexxy Rexy
 

I see PW and Tebow as basically the same level:

1) Neither can read an NFL defense
2) Neither can complete a pass for longer than 15 yards
3) Neither throws with particular accuracy
4) Both need to make plays with their legs if they hope to ever move the ball. PW has more speed here whereas Tebow has more power.

Re: Pat White or Sexxy Rexy
 

[quote=Lotus;1020643]I see PW and Tebow as basically the same level:

1) Neither can read an NFL defense
2) [B]Neither can complete a pass for longer than 15 yards[/B]
3) Neither throws with particular accuracy
4) Both need to make plays with their legs if they hope to ever move the ball. PW has more speed here whereas Tebow has more power.[/quote]

Im certainly not trying to endorse Tebow, but he throws a better deep ball than short ball. He just needs 5 seconds to do so since his wind up is long and slow and its rare that he can get enough time to do so. Even if the receiver is open, half the time he misses the read and takes off running. Tebow can complete two passes, the seam route and the deep ball. He is terrible on just about all the other throws.

Re: Pat White or Sexxy Rexy
 

[quote=Skinzman;1020645]Im certainly not trying to endorse Tebow, but he throws a better deep ball than short ball. He just needs 5 seconds to do so since his wind up is long and slow and its rare that he can get enough time to do so. Even if the receiver is open, half the time he misses the read and takes off running. Tebow can complete two passes, the seam route and the deep ball. He is terrible on just about all the other throws.[/quote]

I agree with your assessment. But it still means that he has trouble completing the deep ball, hence in part his career 6.7 YPA.

Choosing Pat White vs. Tebow is like choosing whether you want Grossman or Beck to start. I'm glad that we never were in that position. :)

Re: Pat White or Sexxy Rexy
 

I thought it was a lock that we'd keep Rex but Jason La Canfora believes otherwise:

[quote]From what I'm hearing, there is a good chance Pat White plays the entire fourth preseason game at Tampa Bay. White has been very effective in a limited role, and given his elite athleticism, and the need for developing quarterbacks because of injuries striking other clubs, I'd be pretty surprised if he doesn't make this roster.

Especially with Griffin and Cousins on the mend, and given the limitations of backup Rex Grossman, White's presence would be important. Of course, carrying four quarterbacks is untenable and White doesn't have practice squad eligibility.

Here's the rub: If you cut White he'll be scooped up. If you cut Grossman, an older, system guy who doesn't stand out in any way, it's likely the same as carrying four quarterbacks because it's doubtful he gets signed elsewhere, and his preference would be to be back here with the Shanahans.

There's always the possibility of a trade, given teams having a need, but the Redskins did a fine job cultivating White after he spent years out of football. He is a great fit in this scheme and he's someone who could really benefit them from continuing to develop under Mike Shanahan's eye. As an organization, you hate to give a burgeoning asset away, especially at the most important position in pro sports.[/quote]

[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/23333784/redskins-observations-rg3s-a-go-so-is-read-option-running-game]Redskins Observations: RG3's a go; so is read-option, running game - CBSSports.com[/url]



No one is going to trade for White...well maybe Al Davis, wait...nevermind.

Re: Pat White or Sexxy Rexy
 

I mean it's common knowledge Pat White is playing the while game today. Shanahan said so. I still don't see him making this roster. Kudos to JLC if it does happen though

Re: Pat White or Sexxy Rexy
 

JLC used to be an absolute opposite reporter for Skins facts, if he said it, I knew it was wrong. But he's been away, maybe he has better inside sources now, but I doubt it. I think the Skins would jump at any offer of a trade for PW, and wouldn't be surprised if they put out a little disinformation just to stir the pot and see what happens.

Re: Pat White or Sexxy Rexy
 

That's a win-win prediction for JLC. If it happens then he's a genius. If it doesn't it happens to concern only our QB3 which no one really cares about so no one will really notice.

Re: Pat White or Sexxy Rexy
 

JLC is an idiot. he heard white was starting? from where? redskins.com a week ago like everyone else?

we've got beat reporters that actually know how to do their job now, but thanks anyways.