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[quote=Mattyk;1016429]I guess not everyone feels Jay-Z is a fail as an agent

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/07/22/geno-smith-deal-ties-big-money-to-workout-bonuses/]Geno Smith deal ties big money to workout bonuses | ProFootballTalk[/url]

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/07/22/team-exec-thinks-jay-zs-approach-to-geno-smith-deal-was-overdue/]Team exec thinks Jay-Z’s approach to Geno Smith deal was overdue | ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]

Yeah I dont consider the Smith deal to be a fail, its a small, typical slotted contract. But Cruz got shorted by 10 million, which I think is great if Cruz wants to be in NYC and took the short to stay BUT because Cruz complained a week after he signed the deal makes me think he wasnt happy with it. Like I stated above, watch the Cano deal that should tell us everything.

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[quote=Chico23231;1016432]Yeah I dont consider the Smith deal to be a fail, its a small, typical slotted contract. But Cruz got shorted by 10 million, which I think is great if Cruz wants to be in NYC and took the short to stay BUT because Cruz complained a week after he signed the deal makes me think he wasnt happy with it. Like I stated above, watch the Cano deal that should tell us everything.[/quote]

That's on Cruz for signing a deal he wasn't completely satisfied with.

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[quote=Mattyk;1016436]That's on Cruz for signing a deal he wasn't completely satisfied with.[/quote]

Exactly. He could have just signed his tender and waited a year for us to give him big money.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;1016438]Exactly. He could have just signed his tender and waited a year for us to give him big money.[/quote]

I would rather have Byrd.

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[quote=donofriose;1016447]I would rather have Byrd.[/quote]

We'll see if Bacarri can play on a level close to Byrds before we get Byrd.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;1016453]We'll see if Bacarri can play on a level close to Byrds before we get Byrd.[/quote]

That would be amazing if a 6th round pick ended up being an All Pro. Extremely unlikely but you never know. I'm just hopeful at least one of the safeties becomes a solid starter, let alone an All Pro.

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[quote=donofriose;1016456]That would be amazing if a 6th round pick ended up being an All Pro. Extremely unlikely but you never know. I'm just hopeful at least one of the safeties becomes a solid starter, let alone an All Pro.[/quote]

He's not going to be an all pro. I'm saying if he plays well while showing potential, then maybe it's not worth signing Byrd next year and keeping a young promising player as a backup.

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Byrd is a big time player, if he wasn't in Buffalo everyone would know him. I think it would be hard to say Rambo will be as good as him. I think CB was saying maybe he'll turn out to be as good.

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[quote=Mattyk;1016436]That's on Cruz for signing a deal he wasn't completely satisfied with.[/quote]

My interpretation of it was that Cruz was just saying that he could have gotten more money for football had he left NY not that he was unhappy or complaining but as I said before the endorsements alone will make up for any short falls in salary .

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[quote=Giantone;1016477]My [B]interpretation[/B] of it was that Cruz was just saying that he could have gotten more money for football had he left NY not that he was unhappy or complaining but as I said before the endorsements alone will make up for any short falls in salary .[/quote]

These interpretations of yours...cruz contract...eli better than peyton...seem to be giant dellusions. How about Cruz just make the ROC sign and stop whinning like a lil bitch

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[quote=Chico23231;1016480]These interpretations of yours...cruz contract...eli better than peyton...seem to be giant dellusions. How about Cruz just make the ROC sign and stop whinning like a lil bitch[/quote]


I will pass that on to him, Thanks.

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[quote=Mattyk;1016429]I guess not everyone feels Jay-Z is a fail as an agent

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/07/22/geno-smith-deal-ties-big-money-to-workout-bonuses/]Geno Smith deal ties big money to workout bonuses | ProFootballTalk[/url]

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/07/22/team-exec-thinks-jay-zs-approach-to-geno-smith-deal-was-overdue/]Team exec thinks Jay-Z’s approach to Geno Smith deal was overdue | ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]


You posted a article with a NFL executive praising the contract. I'm sure he is praising the contract because the ownership pulled a fast one on a newbie agent.

This is why it's a bad deal for players to tie their bonuses to workouts. Near the end of their contract, when do players usually hold out in search of a new contract? You guessed it. Work outs and OTAs. Now, if he holds out on those looking for a better contract, he loses out on money tied to the workouts that should have been guaranteed in the contract. Unlike the other rookie QBs who had that extra money guaranteed in their contracts. Smith can't hold out because his extra money is tied up into workouts and OTAs.

[quote]Typically, players must participate in 80 percent of the offseason workouts to earn the bonus. For Smith, this puts extra pressure on him to be able and willing to show up and work out in the final two years of his deal. If he fails to meet the minimums, he’ll potentially lose hundreds of thousands of dollars.[/quote]


Even taken from the very article you posted:

[quote]The clause also sets up inexperienced agent Kim Miale and her boss, Jay-Z, for criticism from the agent community, which tends to criticize anyone and anything if it means helping them expand their portfolio of clients. In this specific case, given the details of the rookie deals signed by the players taken before and after Smith, the criticism may be justified.[/quote]

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[quote=NC_Skins;1016496]You posted a article with a NFL executive praising the contract. I'm sure he is praising the contract because the ownership pulled a fast one on a newbie agent.

This is why it's a bad deal for players to tie their bonuses to workouts. Near the end of their contract, when do players usually hold out in search of a new contract? You guessed it. Work outs and OTAs. Now, if he holds out on those looking for a better contract, he loses out on money tied to the workouts that should have been guaranteed in the contract. Unlike the other rookie QBs who had that extra money guaranteed in their contracts. Smith can't hold out because his extra money is tied up into workouts and OTAs.




Even taken from the very article you posted:[/quote]

I didn't say it was all fine and dandy. But it's not quite the disaster some are trying to make it out to be.

Did anyone see the raiders take 24 away from Tracy Porter? Lmao. He tweeted about it and basically said they just took it and gave it to woodson. Said he was mad about it. Good ol raiders lol

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1016503]Did anyone see the raiders take 24 away from Tracy Porter? Lmao. He tweeted about it and basically said they just took it and gave it to woodson. Said he was mad about it. Good ol raiders lol[/quote]

Disagree, Woodson is a future HOF player who spent many seasons as a Raider and has earned that #.

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^ there are better ways to go about number changes than stripping a guy. Let Woodson pay for it.

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[quote=Mattyk;1016525]^ there are better ways to go about number changes than stripping a guy. Let Woodson pay for it.[/quote]

Agreed. It's a little insulting that the team would just take a number away from you to give to a better player. It definitely won't help Woodson/Porter get off to the best start. Should've just settled it the old-fashioned way, which is usually an agreement between the two.

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[url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/news/20130724/nfl-preseason-power-rankings-baltimore-ravens-denver-broncos/]NFL Preseason Power Rankings - NFL - Chris Burke - SI.com[/url]

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NFC East Highlights from the article, in reverse order:
[QUOTE]27 Philadelphia Eagles

Philadelphia Eagles (4-12)
If you're a full believer in the power of Chip Kelly's offense, you'll want Philadelphia much higher than this. But a reminder that a) Kelly has yet to settle on a quarterback, and b) the Philadelphia defense was pretty putrid in its own right last season (29th in points allowed). Even if Kelly's an NFL genius, this is not an overnight fix.
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]17 Dallas Cowboys

Dallas Cowboys (8-8)
In back-to-back seasons, the Cowboys have finished 8-8 and missed the playoffs by virtue of a Week 17 intra-division loss. And this version does not look appreciably better (or worse) than its previous two incarnations. That makes it hard to count on a real change in the Cowboys' fortunes.
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]12 Washington Redskins

Washington Redskins (10-6)
Placed here with an asterisk. Should Robert Griffin III actually get back on the field in game shape by Week 1 or 2, the Redskins will be tough to topple in the NFC East. And that's true despite a relatively quiet summer, brought on by cap penalties assessed prior to the 2012 season.
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]10 New York Giants

New York Giants (9-7)
A one-point, Week 13 loss in Washington is ultimately what kept the Giants from the postseason last year. They're arguably even more dangerous on offense now, with TE Brandon Myers (though losing RB Ahmad Bradshaw stings). The NFC East is so tight that at least the top three teams - the Giants, Washington and Dallas - might be interchangeable here.
[/QUOTE]

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[url=http://mmqb.si.com/2013/07/25/what-its-like-to-get-whacked/]What It's Like to Get Whacked | The MMQB with Peter King[/url]

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^ that may not be the best title to put it as

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Adam S. Is reporting that Harvin may need another surgery.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1016609]Adam S. Is reporting that Harvin may need another surgery.[/quote]

another year, another injury. heard he's getting a second opinion. dont take this guy in fantasy football

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sucks for seattle they were really hoping he would be the number 1 WR

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ESPN NFL ARI - Cardinals DT Darnell Dockett buys tiger cub, says attempt to buy monkey rebuffed by owner

Edit:

[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1716337-darnell-dockett-nabbed-a-pet-tiger-looking-to-add-a-monkey-if-you-hear-of-any]Darnell Dockett Nabbed a Pet Tiger, Looking to Add Monkey If You Know of Any | Bleacher Report[/url]

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[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/bears-dt-sedrick-ellis-intends-retire-nfl-171713542.html]Y! SPORTS[/url]

Sedrick Ellis retiring at Age 28

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1016612]sucks for seattle they were really hoping he would be the number 1 WR[/quote]

Nope doesn't suck for Seattle. I hate that team now.

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^ yes me too, I like wilson but I dont like Pete the cheat and Sherman.

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[B][SIZE="4"]
‏@AdamSchefter

Now Matt Ryan deal done, per Mort: 5-year, $103.75 million extension, including a whopping $59 million guaranteed.[/SIZE][/B]

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He isn't worth that much but then again it's pro sports today

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1016614][URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/bears-dt-sedrick-ellis-intends-retire-nfl-171713542.html"]Y! SPORTS[/URL]

Sedrick Ellis retiring at Age 28[/quote]

Man I wonder what happened with him, I remember he was being touted as a solid prospect at the minimum in the draft and then I don't even remember his name being a big deal during FA this year. I'm curious if this is just him losing the passion or if it's because his career was solid yet unspectacular.

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I think the $$ made him lose that urge to play just MO.

meaning he is rich and got lazy like AH

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[url=http://finance.yahoo.com/news/31-nfl-players-arrested-since-151507711.html]Here Are All 31 NFL Players Who Have Been Arrested Since The Super Bowl - Yahoo! Finance[/url]

And looks like Bucs, Browns and Bears have some character issue players. Womp womp.

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Is there any truth to this AJ Green torn ACL story..?

Haven't seen it but if true they r done

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[quote=CultBrennan59;1016640]Is there any truth to this AJ Green torn ACL story..?[/quote]

I wouldn't say they're done if true, but that would definitely be a huge blow. Haven't seen anything about it yet, so maybe it's just a rumor.

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Ouch. Marvin Lewis says nothing major though

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Ryan Swope is retiring before his first training camp. Apparently the concussion symptoms arent going away. I know a few wanted us to draft him, glad we didnt.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000221113/article/cardinals-ryan-swope-forced-to-retire]Ryan Swope of Cardinals forced to retire by concussions - NFL.com[/url]

PG says skins could have the best offense ever

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[quote=Skinzman;1016648]Ryan Swope is retiring before his first training camp. Apparently the concussion symptoms arent going away. I know a few wanted us to draft him, glad we didnt.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000221113/article/cardinals-ryan-swope-forced-to-retire]Ryan Swope of Cardinals forced to retire by concussions - NFL.com[/url][/quote]

I wanted him. I'm glad knowing now, that we didn't draft him.