Re: Courtney Brown
 

The only time you sign a player to a one year deal is when you're making a SB run??

We weren't in danger of making a SB run when we signed Gardener, so there are obviously other times when a one year deal is appropriate.

Re: Courtney Brown
 

he is younger than Gardner, and i don't think he'll agree to a 1 year contract. If we sign him it will be for a while possibly similar to wynn's contract

Re: Courtney Brown
 

[QUOTE=FRPLG]Doesn’t it sound odd that this is his "preferred" destination but he won't take less to come here? Wouldn’t that make whoever offers the most money the "preferred" destination? What the hell is the point of having a "preferred" destination when your decision will be based on solely on money? Sounds ridiculous to me.[/QUOTE]


hmmmmmm sounds like what i said about smoooooooooot dog

Re: Courtney Brown
 

Brown just sound's like an injury waiting to happen!

Re: Courtney Brown
 

He could have big returns too. So we pay him a low one-year deal and he turns out to be a bust. We cut him and move on. He may be one of the more prolific players still out there that is affordable. Healthy, he has the ability to be a great playmaker.

Re: Courtney Brown
 

Redskins | The Favorite to Land Brown? - from [url]www.KFFL.com[/url]
Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:50:38 -0800

Nunyo Demasio, of the Washington Post, reports the Washington Redskins could be the favorite to sign free agent DE Courtney Brown (Browns), who was recently released by the Cleveland Browns. According to sources, Brown believes Washington offers an ideal situation since he would reunite with LB LaVar Arrington, who he played with at Penn State. In addition, Brown likes the idea of playing for Gregg Williams, Washington's assistant head coach for defense, and Greg Blache, the defensive line coach known for helping players reach their potential.

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Personally I like the idea of signing Brown, preferably to a deal contingent on playing time - with his recent health issues I feel that we could have them put down as unlikely to be earnt bonuses.
He had the talent to be the #1 overall selection, and we were seriously considering him at either #2 or #3 in that draft if Arrington was picked first - if we were to get him it would mean we would have the first 3 players from that draft on our roster!
I think part of his injury problems COULD BE (1) bad luck and (2) possible poor coaching/technique at Cleveland combined with poor strength/conditioning training?

Re: Courtney Brown
 

Very possible. Good post SantanaMan.

Re: Courtney Brown
 

[QUOTE=SantanaMan]Redskins | The Favorite to Land Brown? - from [url]www.KFFL.com[/url]
Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:50:38 -0800

Nunyo Demasio, of the Washington Post, reports the Washington Redskins could be the favorite to sign free agent DE Courtney Brown (Browns), who was recently released by the Cleveland Browns. According to sources, Brown believes Washington offers an ideal situation since he would reunite with LB LaVar Arrington, who he played with at Penn State. In addition, Brown likes the idea of playing for Gregg Williams, Washington's assistant head coach for defense, and Greg Blache, the defensive line coach known for helping players reach their potential.

...
Personally I like the idea of signing Brown, preferably to a deal contingent on playing time - with his recent health issues I feel that we could have them put down as unlikely to be earnt bonuses.
He had the talent to be the #1 overall selection, and we were seriously considering him at either #2 or #3 in that draft if Arrington was picked first - if we were to get him it would mean we would have the first 3 players from that draft on our roster!
I think part of his injury problems COULD BE (1) bad luck and (2) possible poor coaching/technique at Cleveland combined with poor strength/conditioning training?[/QUOTE]

Welcome to the board SantanaMan. :biggthump

Nice post.

Re: Courtney Brown
 

Brown is black and blue. He is a walking manikin only he is too damaged to be fixed. Even the venerable Lord Duck Tape can’t help him. I say NO to Brown!

Re: Courtney Brown
 

Thanks Redskins P, been reading the board for quite some time and recently decided to register.

Re: Courtney Brown
 

[QUOTE=SantanaMan]Thanks Redskins P, been reading the board for quite some time and recently decided to register.[/QUOTE]


Bout time! J/K.

Seriously though, you'll enjoy it here.

Re: Courtney Brown
 

[QUOTE=SantanaMan]Thanks Redskins P, been reading the board for quite some time and recently decided to register.[/QUOTE]

welcome!

Re: Courtney Brown
 

[QUOTE=PSUSkinsFan21]Sorry guys, but I just don't see what is gained by a one year deal? It's been said before and I agree that the only time you sign players to one year deals is when you are making a run for the ring. I'm as optomistic as they come, but I really don't see this year being THE year. IMO you sign him to a 2-3 year contract with small bonuses and little guaranteed money. If he's a bust, you cut him after a year or two without the salary cap hit. If he's a stud, you keep him and consider renegotiating a longer-term deal that is even more cap-friendly after a year or two.
Let's not forget here, yes he's been injured early and often in his career, but let's not confuse him with some 35 year old, washed up D-lineman who only has a year or two left in the tank. The guy is the same age as Arrington and Samuels. Because he's coming off of injuries, we've got a chance to get him on the cheap. If he can stay healthy, playing under Williams' system, he could be great; which makes this a golden opportunity to make a real steal.
Again, the potential upside, IMO, is much greater than the risk of a couple million $ over the next few years. However, if you don't lock him into a multi-year contract, you lose almost all of that upside. Your best case scenario would be that he turns out to be a stud during a year when you aren't a legitimate contender for the championship and then you either can't resign him because he's on the open market or you have to pay through the nose to keep him. Just doesn't make sense to me. If you are going to sign him at all, it's got to be for more than one year. Otherwise, why bother? Just my opinion.[/QUOTE]
What he said

Re: Courtney Brown
 

i say give the guy a chance.we took a chance on darrell gardner,and he had a good year in washington.if CB had the talent to be a #1 pick,he deserves a 2nd chance.

Re: Courtney Brown
 

if he turns out like smith I'd be quite pissed

Re: Courtney Brown
 

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]welcome![/QUOTE]#

Thanks Matty!

Re: Courtney Brown
 

[QUOTE=PSUSkinsFan21]Sorry guys, but I just don't see what is gained by a one year deal? It's been said before and I agree that the only time you sign players to one year deals is when you are making a run for the ring. I'm as optomistic as they come, but I really don't see this year being THE year. IMO you sign him to a 2-3 year contract with small bonuses and little guaranteed money. If he's a bust, you cut him after a year or two without the salary cap hit. If he's a stud, you keep him and consider renegotiating a longer-term deal that is even more cap-friendly after a year or two.
Let's not forget here, yes he's been injured early and often in his career, but let's not confuse him with some 35 year old, washed up D-lineman who only has a year or two left in the tank. The guy is the same age as Arrington and Samuels. Because he's coming off of injuries, we've got a chance to get him on the cheap. If he can stay healthy, playing under Williams' system, he could be great; which makes this a golden opportunity to make a real steal.
Again, the potential upside, IMO, is much greater than the risk of a couple million $ over the next few years. However, if you don't lock him into a multi-year contract, you lose almost all of that upside. Your best case scenario would be that he turns out to be a stud during a year when you aren't a legitimate contender for the championship and then you either can't resign him because he's on the open market or you have to pay through the nose to keep him. Just doesn't make sense to me. If you are going to sign him at all, it's got to be for more than one year. Otherwise, why bother? Just my opinion.[/QUOTE]
This is all great in principle but more than likely if he has a good or really good to great year he would probably hold out for more ca$h anyway...

Re: Courtney Brown
 

[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]Very possible. Good post SantanaMan.[/QUOTE]

Thanks TheMalcolmConnection, must have missed your post last night!

Re: Courtney Brown
 

Hindsight 20/20, how did he do with Denver this year? I really didn't hear much from him.

I guess even with him leaning toward Denver anyway, I think it was still a good
"non-signing" for us.

Re: Courtney Brown
 

a lot of times pass rushing DE's get good stats but leave gaping holes(Bruce Smith was the worst offender of all time) Wynn and Daniels are not productive from a statistical perspective but they provide a solid push, good run d, and they are good at getting their hands up(which is underated). i think we are better off spending our money on a fa wr.

Re: Courtney Brown
 

[QUOTE=12thMan]Hindsight 20/20, how did he do with Denver this year? I really didn't hear much from him.

I guess even with him leaning toward Denver anyway, I think it was still a good
"non-signing" for us.[/QUOTE]

2 sacks and 24 tackles.

Re: Courtney Brown
 

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]2 sacks and 24 tackles.[/QUOTE]

Thanks Matty.

I know he missed a few games with a bad elbow. With Denver being mentioned along with us in Abraham talks, I was wondering how Brown panned out.

Re: Courtney Brown
 

Find any guy on the street that weighs 270 lbs, insert him at de, and watch as occasionally people trip over him, or accidentally run into him. That's what those numbers tell me. 2 sacks? He should coach the practice squad.

Re: Courtney Brown
 

[QUOTE=Monksdown]Find any guy on the street that weighs 270 lbs, insert him at de, and watch as occasionally people trip over him, or accidentally run into him. That's what those numbers tell me. 2 sacks? He should coach the practice squad.[/QUOTE]

Even with that incentive based contract he had, he probably made more money than all those guys put together.

Re: Courtney Brown
 

[QUOTE=Monksdown]Find any guy on the street that weighs 270 lbs, insert him at de, and watch as occasionally people trip over him, or accidentally run into him. That's what those numbers tell me. 2 sacks? He should coach the practice squad.[/QUOTE]

yeah, 2 sacks, what crap... SO, what do you call a guy that only got 0.5sacks and made more money than that guy (who also missed time)?

Re: Courtney Brown
 

[QUOTE=That Guy]yeah, 2 sacks, what crap... SO, what do you call a guy that only got 0.5sacks and made more money than that guy (who also missed time)?[/QUOTE]

We wouldn't be talking about Mr. Wynn would we?

Re: Courtney Brown
 

[QUOTE=12thMan]We wouldn't be talking about Mr. Wynn would we?[/QUOTE]

that locker room presence is a bunch of crapola!!!!!!!! i play high school football and "locker room" people dont exist but i know its just high school football i really think that its a bunch of crap! if you dont produce you dont get paid.....PERIOD! get rid of this guy! you wanna save cap throw him outta the picture as for brown, im all for the one year deal with incentives no use on taking a cahnce on a mulityear contract it would be stupid...........5 sacks thats terrible id rather plug in sean taylor.........bruce smoth sucked ass too, i cant remmeber the last person he sacked but if i remember correctly he was on the floor who was just holding the qb by a thread when he broke the all time sack record

Re: Courtney Brown
 

[QUOTE=Monksdown]Find any guy on the street that weighs 270 lbs, insert him at de, and watch as occasionally people trip over him, or accidentally run into him. That's what those numbers tell me. 2 sacks? He should coach the practice squad.[/QUOTE]

LOL. Man thats cruel, but funny too.