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[quote=JoeRedskin;1021063]Well, if selling out stops it, then the pass shouldn't work.
Selling out DOESN'T stop the read option. It stops the RUN option. The threat of an intermediate passing game is an essential element of the read option.[/quote]

The read option is a running play. The QB reads a defender and decides to hand off or keep it. Since the OL will be run blocking, the only pass out of it could be a screen since the OL can go down field on a screen.

You can play action out of it, but thats not the read option, thats a play action pass.

As to the intermediate passing game being an essential element. Thats what I said. If your QB cant pass, the read option will be stopped in the NFL.

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I think the thing that helps out Griffin's ability to pass out of the read/option vs a standard play action pass is that he never turns his back on the defense. In a normal play action pass from under center (and yes you can play actions out of the shotgun, which is kind of like a read option) is that a QB normally takes the snap, turns his back, fakes the handoff, turns back around to start his reads. Using a read/option, after the mesh, the QB is automatically ready to throw and can really take advantage of the LBs biting on the run fake. I am seeing Vick run a play action with McCoy in the preseason out of the shotgun as well, but Vick is not running right now after the mesh with McCoy. Maybe he will Sept 9th, but right now its more of a straight play action. To me RGIII's ability to run holds those LBs a little longer which creates more space for the WR/TEs.

I think its important for the Redskins to actually let RGIII run early out of the read/option to keep the defenses honest this year and not have them thinking "well, he has been hurt and wont run this year, so I'm going for Morris every time".

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1020981]One of the "prettiest" things about Griffin's game is his exchange with RB's. The TV camera can be right on it, and still sometimes no one really knows where the ball ended up. I don't think his ACL took that ability away.[/quote]

Yes sir, RGIII's play action fake is one of the best and quickest in the league. Another unappreciated QB skill is foot work. IMO RGIII can take the snap, fake a hand off and set up to throw faster and better than any QB in the league, his motion in this process is consistent and flawless. You can tell he has worked on this for a long time. I noticed this in his first camp with us.

I remember Bill Walsh (IMO one of the best offensive minds in the game) talking about Qb's skills. He said what really jumped out at him about Joe Montana when they were scouting him at ND was his foot work and ball skills. He said he had not seen better foot work on a Qb coming out of since Joe Namath.
Walsh said most teams/scouts look at arm strength, height/size, leadership and football knowledge as the main measures. Most overlook the most important/basic skill - footwork and ball skills. If you do not set your feet quickly and well your throws will not be accurate. RGIII threw 20 TD's to only 5 Int's.
Suck on that Jaworski you eagle homer.

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John Clayton's rating the QB's. I really expected more of him.
[quote]16. Robert Griffin III, Washington Redskins

Analysis: Will he be a different quarterback coming off knee reconstruction, at least temporarily? RG III's game is beating opponents with his arm and his feet. Wisely, the Redskins aren't using him in the preseason, but he will enter the regular season without having had any live action on the field. Carson Palmer, Tom Brady and others have proved they can come back from knee reconstructions, but it might be a little tougher for a running quarterback.

Arrow is pointing: flat [/quote]

See, RGII is not a "running" QB like Vick (or P.White). He is a QB that runs (like Elway or Young) - it is almost like Griffin is punished for having an extra dimension to his game.

I get the injury concerns, everyone outside of DC is harping on them and going with skin deep analysis on it (He runs, he has been injured, he will always be injured). At the same time, look at his passing game - his YPA (one of the most telling passing stats there is) and is TD/INT ratio.

Christ, either we are way off on our understanding of this team and its players or we are going to shock the hell out of the talking heads this year.

Me. I am going with Shock And Awe.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1021108]John Clayton's rating the QB's. I really expected more of him.


See, RGII is not a "running" QB like Vick (or P.White). He is a QB that runs (like Elway or Young) - it is almost like Griffin is punished for having an extra dimension to his game.

I get the injury concerns, everyone outside of DC is harping on them and going with skin deep analysis on it (He runs, he has been injured, he will always be injured). At the same time, look at his passing game - his YPA (one of the most telling passing stats there is) and is TD/INT ratio.

Christ, either we are way off on our understanding of this team and its players or we are going to shock the hell out of the talking heads this year.

Me. I am going with Shock And Awe.[/quote]

I didn't look this up or know how too but didn't RGIII play very limited pre-season football last year. I think he was held out in game 4 even. That was his rookie season and he looked pretty damn good on the road in NO. I would THINK opening in WAS against PHI should be a easier task for him.

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I think the real tell will be the line on the game. Anything less than Skins by 8 would be shocking to me.

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[quote=mredskins;1021109]I didn't look this up or know how too but didn't RGIII play very limited pre-season football last year. I think he was held out in game 4 even. That was his rookie season and he looked pretty damn good on the road in NO. I would THINK opening in WAS against PHI should be a easier task for him.[/quote]

Yeah. I think you're right. He was really limited in preseason.

Just did a quick google. Here are his stats:

[B]Robert Griffin III Preseason Stats 2012[/B]
@ Buffalo: 4-of-6, 70 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT, 0 sacks, 145.8 rating
Bears: 5-of-8, 49 yards, 0 TD, 0 INT, 3 sacks, 79.7 rating
vs. Colts: 11-of-17, 74 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT, 0 sacks, 93.8 rating
[url=http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/08/25/redskins-wont-play-robert-griffin-iii-in-preseason-finale/]Redskins Won’t Play Robert Griffin III In Preseason Finale « CBS DC[/url]

So, ~ 30 passes. Maybe 60 plays total? Didn't play in the 4th game at all.

Shock and Awe my freinds, Shock and Awe.

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i before e sir, i before e
:D

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Robert inspires his team mates, you can't tell me that as pumped up as he will be Sept 9the to play the Eagles on Monday night football, that his team mates won't be just as pumped up to play with him and for him? Who said Shock and Awe? I agree.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1021118]Yeah. I think you're right. He was really limited in preseason.

Just did a quick google. Here are his stats:

[B]Robert Griffin III Preseason Stats 2012[/B]
@ Buffalo: 4-of-6, 70 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT, 0 sacks, 145.8 rating
Bears: 5-of-8, 49 yards, 0 TD, 0 INT, 3 sacks, 79.7 rating
vs. Colts: 11-of-17, 74 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT, 0 sacks, 93.8 rating
[URL="http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/08/25/redskins-wont-play-robert-griffin-iii-in-preseason-finale/"]Redskins Won’t Play Robert Griffin III In Preseason Finale « CBS DC[/URL]

So, ~ 30 passes. Maybe 60 plays total? Didn't play in the 4th game at all.

Shock and Awe my freinds, Shock and Awe.[/quote]

Thanks for backing my post with stats! Preseason is overrated for intrenched starters. Sure it would have helped Bob but it certainly is not going to make or break his season the lost preseason snaps.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1021010]That Rams game was completely out of hand and normally would not be tolerated by officials.

Fisher was taking advantage of the replacement refs who were either intimidated by his hot head or were just told be to conservative with the whistles. I was pretty angry with the things the refs let Fisher and his dirty players like Finnegan got away with. There were countless fights from the first play and cheap shots being thrown at us every chance they got.

That's not a gameplan we'll see working again. Those refs were never in control.

I still do not blame Morgan for losing his cool and throwing that ball that lost us the game. He was taking cheap shots all day without them being called. A man can only take so much. Even Griffin was visibly frustrated.

[url=http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/sep/16/replacement-officials-lose-control-early-on-in-red/?page=all]Replacement officials lose control early on in Redskins-Rams game - Washington Times[/url]

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/25/last-nights-crew-also-presided-over-rams-redskins-mess/]Last night’s crew also presided over Rams-Redskins mess | ProFootballTalk[/url]

[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8402278/washington-redskins-robert-griffin-iii-says-took-cheap-shots-st-louis-rams]Washington Redskins -- Robert Griffin III says he took cheap shots from St. Louis Rams - ESPN[/url]

[url=http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2012/09/17/deangelo-hall-replacement-officials-washington-redskins/70000518/1#.Uh5TmdKshcY]Hall leads chorus of Redskins unhappy with officials[/url][/quote]

I agree that game was bull. like a true screwjob.

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[quote=mredskins;1021109]I didn't look this up or know how too but didn't RGIII play very limited pre-season football last year. I think he was held out in game 4 even. That was his rookie season and he looked pretty damn good on the road in NO. I would THINK opening in WAS against PHI should be a easier task for him.[/quote]

I remember the same, mostly because it was frustrating not to see our franchise QB a lot until week 1.

...RG will be fine as long as he can fully plant when he throws and every indication is that he can.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1021108]John Clayton's rating the QB's. I really expected more of him.


[B]See, RGII is not a "running" QB like Vick (or P.White). He is a QB that runs (like Elway or Young) -[/B] it is almost like Griffin is punished for having an extra dimension to his game.

I get the injury concerns, everyone outside of DC is harping on them and going with skin deep analysis on it (He runs, he has been injured, he will always be injured). At the same time, look at his passing game - his YPA (one of the most telling passing stats there is) and is TD/INT ratio.

Christ, either we are way off on our understanding of this team and its players or we are going to shock the hell out of the talking heads this year.

Me. I am going with Shock And Awe.[/quote]

Dare I say it but he is labeled that because of his skin color. It is sad that he is not compared to those you mentioned as he rightfully should be, but he is compared to those who came before him that were of his skin color. Rarely do you ever hear of him being compared to a guy like Rodgers (a guy who CAN RUN and PASS). That is who he is in the same league with. Look at his pure passing numbers and they are off the charts and compare to guys like Manning, Rodgers, and Brady. Not Vick, Newton, and Kap.

One day I hope the media realizes this and starts comparing him to every QB not just the guys who share his skin color.

Screw the talking heads they will be eating crow when next years rankings come out and they have to rank this guy up with the best and above all of the other rookies and second year guys they ranked ahead of him this year.

"Shock and Awe" will cometh week one when he gets re-unleashed on the league and we get to move on from the knee talk and back to how great he is in the NFL.

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Well he's on the upcoming cover of SI being compared to Elway. ^

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2013/08/28/rgiiis-latest-si-cover/]RGIII’s latest SI cover[/url]

[IMG]http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/files/2013/08/RGIIISI.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;1021190][B]Dare I say it but he is labeled that because of his skin color.[/B] It is sad that he is not compared to those you mentioned as he rightfully should be, but he is compared to those who came before him that were of his skin color. Rarely do you ever hear of him being compared to a guy like Rodgers (a guy who CAN RUN and PASS). That is who he is in the same league with. Look at his pure passing numbers and they are off the charts and compare to guys like Manning, Rodgers, and Brady. Not Vick, Newton, and Kap.

One day I hope the media realizes this and starts comparing him to every QB not just the guys who share his skin color.

Screw the talking heads they will be eating crow when next years rankings come out and they have to rank this guy up with the best and above all of the other rookies and second year guys they ranked ahead of him this year.

"Shock and Awe" will cometh week one when he gets re-unleashed on the league and we get to move on from the knee talk and back to how great he is in the NFL.[/quote]

Or...because he ran more than any rookie QB in the history of the game. They need to back off RG running, it's that simple. My gut says they've figured it out.

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[quote=Mattyk;1021194]Well he's on the upcoming cover of SI being compared to Elway. ^

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2013/08/28/rgiiis-latest-si-cover/]RGIII’s latest SI cover[/url]

[IMG]http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/files/2013/08/RGIIISI.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

That's great!!! I hope you guys didn't think I was off base though. Just my own personal observation when I see guys trying to compare him to other guys.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;1021212]That's great!!! I hope you guys didn't think I was off base though. Just my own personal observation when I see guys trying to compare him to other guys.[/quote]

The only part I disagreed with was when you compared him to Aaron Rodgers. Rodgers is a slightly better passer, but in terms of atleticism, RG3 is miles ahead. Sure, Rodgers can run, but he's not in the same class as RG3. A 4.41 40 yard time, 76 yard TD run, and 600 yards rushing are things Rodgers could never accomplish. RG3 was recruited to play safety at Texas, participated at the Olympic trials, and dunked in the 8th grade, when he was 5'6". RG3 has a 39" verical; Rodgers' is 34". What more can be said?

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;1021212]That's great!!! I hope you guys didn't think I was off base though. Just my own personal observation when I see guys trying to compare him to other guys.[/quote]

Yeah I agree comparing him to the likes of Vick is just lazy. He's light years ahead of where Vick was as a passer coming out of college.

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The most accurate comparison for RGIII is Young. There seems to be an unspoken rule in and around the NFL that black players can only be compared to black players and white to white. It's silly but it's what happens.

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I actually think the game that is most revealing of potentially how to stop the read option was not the Rams game, which was full of cheap shots that most officiating will prevent or punish, but rather the Bengals game. I thought there was a bunch of legal hits to RGIII in that game, that they decided that they'd hit him if given the chance, and that it wore down on us a bit over the course of the game (which we lost).

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[quote=Mattyk;1021225]Yeah I agree comparing him to the likes of Vick is just lazy. [B]He's light years ahead of where Vick was as a passer coming out of college[/B].[/quote]

He is light years ahead of Vick as a passer now.

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[quote=Mattyk;1021194]Well he's on the upcoming cover of SI being compared to Elway. ^

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2013/08/28/rgiiis-latest-si-cover/]RGIII’s latest SI cover[/url]

[IMG]http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/files/2013/08/RGIIISI.jpg[/IMG][/quote]


ROBERT!!!!! Where's your knee brace!?!?!?

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[quote=FRPLG;1021227]The most accurate comparison for RGIII is Young. There seems to be an unspoken rule in and around the NFL that black players can only be compared to black players and white to white. It's silly but it's what happens.[/quote]

I assume you mean Steve Young, not Vince Young...Fran Tarkenton is also a good comparison.

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[quote=FRPLG;1021227]The most accurate comparison for RGIII is Young. [B]There seems to be an unspoken rule in and around the NFL that black players can only be compared to black players and white to white.[/B] It's silly but it's what happens.[/quote]

I guess that would be the norm if it was 1980-90s. But this is 2013 and I agree it is silly.

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[quote=Mattyk;1021225]Yeah I agree comparing him to the likes of Vick is just lazy. He's light years ahead of where Vick was as a passer coming out of college.[/quote]

Agreed and I gotta agree with another poster in that he is still ahead of Vick. The guy is only going to get better and better. When he has all those SB rings he is going to get they will start comparing to Montana and Brady ;) (well at least WE ALL HOPE he gets that many) :)

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[quote=FRPLG;1021227]The most accurate comparison for RGIII is Young. There seems to be an unspoken rule in and around the NFL that black players can only be compared to black players and white to white. It's silly but it's what happens.[/quote]

That's who Gruden compares him to, Skip says Aaron Rodgers.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1021256]That's who Gruden compares him to, Skip says Aaron Rodgers.[/quote]Young's "fullback" style of running just doesn't gibe with RG3, IMO. I know the Elway angle has been overplayed because Griffin was a fan, but that's who I think of trying to compare RG3 to somebody. I liked the magazine cover with Elway and RG3. Both could scramble around defenders, not just hightail it for the sidelines after being flushed. Both ran bravely but seemed vulnerable to me. Both have a cannon arm.

Hope when RG3's career is over, he's one of the greats like the QBs we're discussing. HTTR!

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[YT]JfKsFvq5WYA[/YT] Heres the best way to stop/slow down/or contain the read option.

Go to the 1:26:00 mark on the youtube video, 9:32 in the game.

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The best way to stop the read option: Reed Doughty.

[QUOTE=Monkeydad;1021439]The best way to stop the read option: Reed Doughty.[/QUOTE]

He's the Chuck Norris of the NFL.

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No doubt in my mind that if RG3 didn't get hurt, we would of routed the Seahawks that game.. Still leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

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[quote=Bucket;1021463]No doubt in my mind that if RG3 didn't get hurt, we would of routed the Seahawks that game.. Still leaves a bad taste in my mouth.[/quote]

Agree with this, and I think we might have won also if Cousins was put in soon as RG got hurt.

Past is the past though and we can all hope the team is hungry to get to the playoffs again and make a run, no matter the ups and downs of the season.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1021439]The best way to stop the read option: Reed Doughty.[/quote]

Reed stayed home and maintained his assignment, which is part of the trick to defending the read-option IMO. Like that guy. Wouldn't mind if he's our SS this season if Merriweather can't go etc.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;1021265][YT]JfKsFvq5WYA[/YT] Heres the best way to stop/slow down/or contain the read option.

Go to the 1:26:00 mark on the youtube video, 9:32 in the game.[/quote]

I can't even watch this vid, we had that game so easy even with RG3 hurt.