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[quote=htownskinfan;1024266]proud of the team for not giving up and coming back in the second half. [B]RG 3 looks like he shook the rust off the second half. [/B]Kai needs to get his mojo back also[/quote]

I'm just saying this so you don't act surprised later on, but there is still plenty of 'rust' RG3 needs to shake off.

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[quote=Mattyk;1024268]I'm definitely looking forward to round 2 with the Eagles. I'm not convinced that offense is sustainable over the long haul.[/quote]

Vick was limping at the end of the game and the Redskins aren't exactly the most physical defense.

Kelly's offense always struggle's against physical defenses, it did in Oregon and it will in the NFL.

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Very few times I'll agree with a Dookie:

Jay Williams ‏@RealJayWilliams 4m
Respect the fact that @RGIII said "No excuses. I played poorly in the first half & I have to be better". #GrownManAnswer

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[quote=GTripp0012;1024253]If they werent going to use the read option often (and I think they called it about 3-4 times the whole game) and they were going to keep RG3 in the pocket to protect him (which they did the whole game), they should have spread it out and thrown it around in the first half. The under center run game protects RG3, but it plays right into Philadelphia's hands, as it mitigates the talent discrepancy on the field.

Philadelphia is going to have a lot more room to overcome mistakes the whole season because they run so many damn plays. As long as Shanny is our coach and Kelly is theirs, we're going to be at a schematic disadvantage. So we needed to take advantage of having a lot more talent than them and try to get Bradley Fletcher and Patrick Chung covering Hankerson & Robinson down the field, we simply didn't do that.

Helu is a really good player in the Redskins spread offense concepts. Really strong picking up the blitz. Can win one on ones on the outside as a receiver. If Morris starts like he did tonight, we can roll with Helu and the passing game in the future. Changing the RB was the single best offensive adjustment we made in the game, and allowed us to take advantage of the mismatches we had all over the field. Only problem was, we were too slow with the adjustment.[/quote]

Yeah I don't know who it was on the last TD but they got totally exposed, why did we wait so long to get the downfield game going? I guess they were hoping if they stuck with the run things would open up downfield, and would slow down the tempo of the game, unfortunately between penalties, short gains, sacks and turnovers, we weren't getting the first downs. Those early fumbles really hurt us, RG3's rustiness would not have been such a problem I it weren't for those two plays.

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[quote=Mattyk;1024270]As Gruden pointed out, that stuff doesn't work so well when you're down 33-7.[/quote]

They came off the bus blitzing, not just when we were down.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1024254]Lack of an effective running play led to the Iggles be all blitz happy.[/quote]I don't think that was the running game so much as we just weren't picking up the LBs for the first three quarters.

Our protection schemes were the problem. The Eagles DC clearly put in a ton of hours over the offseason into understanding how we liked to block our passes and that preparation resulted in a lot of clean runs on RG3.

Only wish our defense would have found some sort of advantage given 8 months to find one.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1024275]They came off the bus blitzing, not just when we were down.[/quote]

The Redskins were down basically the entire game. Plus the offensive line didn't preform well. Even Trent Williams struggled at times today. I thought it was just a poor performance by the offense the entire first half.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1024276]I don't think that was the running game so much as we just weren't picking up the LBs for the first three quarters.

Our protection schemes were the problem. The Eagles DC clearly put in a ton of hours over the offseason into understanding how we liked to block our passes and that preparation resulted in a lot of clean runs on RG3.

Only wish our defense would have found some sort of advantage given 8 months to find one.[/quote]

Kind of hard when their is no tape on how the opponent's offense will look in the Pros.

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[quote=donofriose;1024263]Rodgers is still one of the best, if not the best QB in the NFL.
Packers will find ways to get Randall Cobb in isolated situations with Rambo, I am not liking Rambo's chances.[/quote]He's still the best, but he's no longer so good that you pencil in 24 points against simply because you have Green Bay on the schedule. Defenses have a chance now.

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We're 0-1, but after our patented 7 game winning streak, we'll be 7-1 and in 1st place.

[QUOTE=CultBrennan59;1024271]I'm just saying this so you don't act surprised later on, but there is still plenty of 'rust' RG3 needs to shake off.[/QUOTE]

Well maybe but his rusty ass would have won that game if there was a fifth quarter. Lol

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[quote=CultBrennan59;1024265]2007 New York Giants..[/quote]One famous exception to the rule.

2002 Tennessee Titans started the season 1-4.

And that's about it for recent examples. Unless you start counting 8-8 teams that made the postseason. It's not uncommon for good teams to start 0-2 and then play 8-6 the rest of the way, that happens all the time. But its a pretty bad plan for making the playoffs.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1024248]So is Griffin's knee still hurt, or is it psychological?

And he was getting killed in the pocket. One of those slams was straight out of WWE.[/quote]

At least he didn't get slammed in the knee or head. He'll be sore as h*ll but ready to rock on Sunday.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1024280]We're 0-1, but after our patented 7 game winning streak, we'll be 7-1 and in 1st place.[/quote]That's the spirit!

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[quote=GTripp0012;1024279]He's still the best, but he's no longer so good that you pencil in 24 points against simply because you have Green Bay on the schedule. Defenses have a chance now.[/quote]

Yea, except I don't trust the Redskins defense to perform well enough to slow down the Packers. They did score 28 points against the 49ers, and obviously the 49ers have a defense that is on another level when compared to the Skins. But you never know. I just do not trust the safeties enough to think Rodgers won't expose them.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1024235]Someone mentioned this in the game thread. RG3 got hit a couple of times, but I'm glad he did and shook it off.

My big concerns going forward are:

- Alf's running game
- Lack of pass rush
- And our perennial issue with the Safety position


Things to look forward to:

- A midseason form RG3
- Hank developing his WR play
- Helu pass blocking as the 3rd down back[/quote]

AlfMo will get it rolling, if he doesn't we will see Helu get it going.

I thought we did generate some rush but had problems because of the lack of knowledge of the offense. Next week I think we will see some of the different packages we saw in the preseason that helped generate a pass rush. GB does have a suspect t problem. Rak and Kerrigan should create pressure.

The safety problem is going to have to really work itself out. Rambo made some
plays and made some rookie mistakes. Though he played much better as the game went on.

My issues are with the Oline. They didnt dominate up front at all. Last year the run game worked because of their play and Morris's ability to make plays after contact.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;1024286]AlfMo will get it rolling, if he doesn't we will see Helu get it going.

I thought we did generate some rush but had problems because of the lack of knowledge of the offense. Next week I think we will see some of the different packages we saw in the preseason that helped generate a pass rush. GB does have a suspect t problem. Rak and Kerrigan should create pressure.

The safety problem is going to have to really work itself out. Rambo made some
plays and made some rookie mistakes. [B]Though he played much better as the game went on. [/B]

My issues are with the Oline. They didnt dominate up front at all. Last year the run game worked because of their play and Morris's ability to make plays after contact.[/quote]

I honestly thought Rambo started pretty good and I was impressed by his play but as the game went on he started missing tackles and taking poor angles.
He is a rookie safety so it might be like this the entire year. DB's take a long time to adjust.

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First the Negativity:

I'm just glad a lot of Skins fans (including myself) got sent back to reality. Too much Redskin propaganda and you start thinking your team is going to be the '98 Denver Broncos or something.

Now as I said last week which many of you laughed at and disregarded, the Eagles are a great offense whom we rarely have the chance of playing with all 3 of their star players healthy (McCoy, Vick, Jackson). That PLUS the fact that we have never played nor truly seen Chip Kellys offense in the NFL doesn't make it easier. You can watch 100 Oregon games Jim Haslett, still doesn't mean your team is conditioned enough for them.

Another thing I mentioned is Tom Brady, whom I think is a very good QB and someone who Robert is capable of being in this league, tore his ACL and went out the next season with his first game back against the Bills and looked awful. We all knew Robert would be rusty. I still think he has a lot of Rust-minutes to play before we can say he's back to normal.

And just remember people, there is a difference between worries/concerns and common sense football thinking/knowledge. Also listening to that HTTR247 guy shows you he clearly doesn't know much if he's predicting blowouts on Robs first game back (shows you how much he knows)


Now the Positive/Optimistic:

Jordan Reed was contributing early

Kerrigan is still making plays

Defense scored a TD

We play in less than 6 days

We fought back

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[quote=GTripp0012;1024276]I don't think that was the running game so much as we just weren't picking up the LBs for the first three quarters.

Our protection schemes were the problem. The Eagles DC clearly put in a ton of hours over the offseason into understanding how we liked to block our passes and that preparation resulted in a lot of clean runs on RG3.

Only wish our defense would have found some sort of advantage given 8 months to find one.[/quote]

Our defense didnt have anything to look at regarding the Eagles team. Once they did in the second half we allowed 5 first downs. The Eagles won't be a surprise much the second half:

The Eagles have had four years to watch our team's offense.

I saw that we had a problem not calling the proper protections in the second half. Using Griff as just a pocket passer is a waste of his talents. He started to be able to feel the rush in the second half and use his game to make off scheduled plays. This team doesn't scare me.

We still have the opportunity to be very good.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1024267]I hope we can take advantage of a GB's weakness (no running game, suspect secondary, and mediocre offensive line). Biggest challenges will be to slow down Rodgers and contain Clay Matthews. Also, I'm a bit concerned about having to defend Jordy Nelson and Randall Cobb.[/quote]GB is good, but if the Redskins are really out to prove that tonight was an aberration, that shouldn't matter.

I'm not going to panic at 0-1, but poor coaching, spotty quarterback play, poor tackling, and miscues from young players who we've leaned on before like Forbath and Morris are the kind of things that would suggest this isn't an aberration.

If those things are solved, this game should be a non-issue in six days when we're 1-1 and beat one of the top teams on the schedule. If they aren't, we're going to be 0-2 and frankly, not a good team. A lot on the line next week.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;1024289]Our defense didnt have anything to look at regarding the Eagles team. Once they did in the second half we allowed 5 first downs. The Eagles won't be a surprise much the second half:

The Eagles have had four years to watch our team's offense.

I saw that we had a problem not calling the proper protections in the second half. Using Griff as just a pocket passer is a waste of his talents. He started to be able to feel the rush in the second half and use his game to make off scheduled plays. This team doesn't scare me.

We still have the opportunity to be very good.[/quote]They don't have Oregon tape at Redskins park? Funny, because I have Oregon tape and all I have is the internet.

Fix the problems from this game by Week 2, and no one remembers this game. But you have to make those adjustments, quickly. Trailing by 18 at half to a bad football team at home is not typical of a good football team.

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[quote=Mattyk;1024268]I'm definitely looking forward to round 2 with the Eagles. I'm not convinced that offense is sustainable over the long haul.[/quote]

I would agree, but I think McCoy is the PERFECT back for that offense, so much open field and space, and he is dang near impossible to get down 1 on 1.

It will slow down though if Vick gets hit, which he will.

Wish McCoy was in a different division.

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GB has Clay Matthews. He makes all tackles look bad (yes even Trent is one). I think we need to run Morris a lot as well as change it up with Helu. If I'm Kyle and Mike I'm making Robert and Pierre/Josh/Santana work on that play-action post route which we missed and dropped a few times tonight. That was our bread and butter play last year. We're going to need that to get going into this season. Also I would use more of Reed AND Davis on the field at once.

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[quote=donofriose;1024285]Yea, except I don't trust the Redskins defense to perform well enough to slow down the Packers. They did score 28 points against the 49ers, and obviously the 49ers have a defense that is on another level when compared to the Skins. But you never know. I just do not trust the safeties enough to think Rodgers won't expose them.[/quote]Well, if you get torched by a talent lacking, run heavy Eagles team and then a talent loaded, pass heavy Packers team in back to back weeks, you don't have a good defense. Or even an average one.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1024291]They don't have Oregon tape at Redskins park? Funny, because I have Oregon tape and all I have is the internet.
[/quote]

That wasn't the same offense he ran at Oregon. The tempo was similar but at Oregon there was more on an emphasize on the triple option and getting your playmakers in space using the option pitch.

Today I saw zone blocking with McCoy getting the ball cutting up field and a lot of missed tackled. Teams always struggle with brand new offenses in the NFL. Remember the wildcat?

I trust the defense watched a lot of tape of what they felt would be the closest resemblance of Kelly's offense in the NFL, it is just almost impossible to predict what a coach will do opening day in his first NFL game.

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From what I saw tonight, no way we win at Green Bay. They simply pass the ball too well for our secondary to deal with.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1024294]Well, if you get torched by a talent lacking, run heavy Eagles team and then a talent loaded, pass heavy Packers team in back to back weeks, you don't have a good defense. Or even an average one.[/quote]

I personally believe at best the Redskins have an average defense. I guess we will find out next week.

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I think everyone is overthinking tonite. Granted Im not nearly schooled on the x's and o's enough to go there, (so maybe im forced into a life of underthinking the games), but - what I saw was....
Rusty Griff = unisnspired, self deflated team full of guys who dont believe they can win.
Less Rusty Griff (imagine when he is completely un-rusted) = inspired, inflated team full of guys who believe anything is possible - even coming back from 33-7!
Our D allowed what 7 points in the second half? - and I dont want to hear any garbage about the eagles played prevent, blah blah blah. We made a major run at them in the latter part of the second half, and they couldnt stop it. 5 more minutes and we win that game.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1024291]They don't have Oregon tape at Redskins park? Funny, because I have Oregon tape and all I have is the internet.

Fix the problems from this game by Week 2, and no one remembers this game. But you have to make those adjustments, quickly. Trailing by 18 at half to a bad football team at home is not typical of a good football team.[/quote]

I'm just curious. Why do you think Philly is a bad team? I swear this entire town thought Jacksonville was rolling in here this week.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1024294]Well, if you get torched by a[B] talent lacking, run heavy Eagles team[/B] and then a talent loaded, pass heavy Packers team in back to back weeks, you don't have a good defense. Or even an average one.[/quote]

What game were you watching?

McCoy has LOADs of talent before Kellys gimmick offense came here. Vick was always a big play QB. DeSean jackson is another fast and explosive player. The whole OL for Philly is a complete 180 from last years team. Celek is a good TE.

So where is this talent lacking beside a few areas on the defense?


The Packers are different because they don't run as fast of a paced offense as Philly does. We're used to them, so next week we better not be playing the fake the injury cause we're tired card or the 'we've never seen this offense before' card either.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;1024293]GB has Clay Matthews. He makes all tackles look bad (yes even Trent is one). I think we need to run Morris a lot as well as change it up with Helu. If I'm Kyle and Mike I'm making Robert and Pierre/Josh/Santana work on that play-action post route which we missed and dropped a few times tonight. That was our bread and butter play last year. We're going to need that to get going into this season. Also I would use more of Reed AND Davis on the field at once.[/quote]

I am more worried about how the Skins are going to stop Green Bay from putting up 40 points than scoring on Green Bay right now.

Also it seemed Reed replaced Davis for the majority of the 4th quarter. Does anyone know if Davis was hurt? Or did the Skins just take him out because Reed was playing better.

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[quote=donofriose;1024297]I personally believe at best the Redskins have an average defense. I guess we will find out next week.[/quote]

As of right now, I'm going to agree, but as Phillys offense showed tonight, we didn't have the chance to sub and use different packages that we have. Wait till we play the other 14 games (not counting Philly again) where we can see how our defense does against regular NFL offenses and not the gimmicky college hurry up offenses.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1024292]I would agree, but I think McCoy is the PERFECT back for that offense, so much open field and space, and he is dang near impossible to get down 1 on 1.

It will slow down though if Vick gets hit, which he will.

Wish McCoy was in a different division.[/quote]

I give Vick a few more games before we see Foles. He is just so reckless with his body that there is no way he holds up. But I gotta give him credit tonight, he looked outstanding in the new offense.

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[quote=donofriose;1024297]I personally believe at best the Redskins have an average defense. I guess we will find out next week.[/quote]

Our D got toasted pretty much in the second quarter. That is because we were winded beyond belief at that point. Our offense couldnt get a first down at that point. As soon as our offense found a rythym our defense hung in there. No defense in the world is going to stop that kind of tempo if they cant catch a breather for two minutes - in the second half our o started rolling and our defense was able to stop them. You are rite though........we will see next week. I believe we will win next week, as a matter of fact I believe we win handily.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1024273]Very few times I'll agree with a Dookie:

Jay Williams ‏@RealJayWilliams 4m
Respect the fact that @RGIII said "No excuses. I played poorly in the first half & I have to be better". #GrownManAnswer[/quote]

An awesome thing about RGIII is I all think we knew he would say exactly that.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;1024300]What game were you watching?

McCoy has LOADs of talent before Kellys gimmick offense came here. Vick was always a big play QB. DeSean jackson is another fast and explosive player. The whole OL for Philly is a complete 180 from last years team. Celek is a good TE.

So where is this talent lacking beside a few areas on the defense?


The Packers are different because they don't run as fast of a paced offense as Philly does. We're used to them, so next week we better not be playing the fake the injury cause we're tired card or the 'we've never seen this offense before' card either.[/quote]

Lol...I think McCoy starts for every team in the league except Minnesota.

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[quote=donofriose;1024301]I am more worried about how the Skins are going to stop Green Bay from putting up 40 points than scoring on Green Bay right now.

Also it seemed Reed replaced Davis for the majority of the 4th quarter. Does anyone know if Davis was hurt? Or did the Skins just take him out because Reed was playing better.[/quote]

As am I. But like I mentioned we should have better defensive substitutions and packages with Rodgers the green bays offense than we did tonight with Phillys quick gimmicky college offense.

Also we may get Brandon Meriweather back next week, so we should see. We somehow beat the Packers a few years ago with McNabb and bad players on both sides of the ball, so I like our chances (not saying we will win, saying we'll keep it close and reasonable) with Green Bay having gotten worse on both sides of the ball since then (OL, DL, MLB, Safety)

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Next time we play the Eagles, stopping McCoy needs to be #1 priority. I'll take our chances with them throwing all the bubble screens. Make them throw 20 bubble screens and punish McCoy/Vick all game.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;1024300]What game were you watching?

McCoy has LOADs of talent before Kellys gimmick offense came here. Vick was always a big play QB. DeSean jackson is another fast and explosive player. The whole OL for Philly is a complete 180 from last years team. Celek is a good TE.

So where is this talent lacking beside a few areas on the defense?


The Packers are different because they don't run as fast of a paced offense as Philly does. We're used to them, so next week we better not be playing the fake the injury cause we're tired card or the 'we've never seen this offense before' card either.[/quote]McCoy is great, but if you thought that the Eagles scored a bunch of points because they were really talented, you're going to really hate playing the rest of the league.

I mean, if DeSean Jackson's your second best player (or Brent Celek, whoever), that says a lot. It's not that Jackson, Celek aren't good, but you can handle them one on one.

You can credit the Eagles for getting their sh-t together with what they had, and I thought they had a really impressive effort tonight. But that team is McCoy, a couple of face cards, and a crappy hand.

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[quote=donofriose;1024295]That wasn't the same offense he ran at Oregon. The tempo was similar but at Oregon there was more on an emphasize on the triple option and getting your playmakers in space using the option pitch.

Today I saw zone blocking with McCoy getting the ball cutting up field and a lot of missed tackled. Teams always struggle with brand new offenses in the NFL. Remember the wildcat?

I trust the defense watched a lot of tape of what they felt would be the closest resemblance of Kelly's offense in the NFL, it is just almost impossible to predict what a coach will do opening day in his first NFL game.[/quote]You...aren't familiar with Oregon, I'm guessing.

McCoy creates a lot of missed tackles. But that's not something we didn't know going into this game, and it's not an excuse.

I'm just not into making excuses for a lack of preparation. If you can be unprepared for what the Eagles brought tonight, you can be unprepared for any offense. What they were running wasn't particularlr unique, they just are good at constraining defenses. Which is exactly what the Redskins offense did so well last year.