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Just a few issues here. If RGIII's teams suck that badly, why is it that they were quite successful last year? Doesn't make sense to me. Could they be better? Absolutely! But I don't think they suck. I DO think Fred Davis is very underwhelming right now, but I've seen great improvement with Hankerson, Morgan is a beast with fighting for more yards, and Garcon looks to be quite explosive.

As far as RGIII goes, I think he's playing very attentively to his knee injury. I think it's kind of a form of "shell shock". Griffin is healthy, physically. He's healthy enough and probably fast enough to be as effective as he was last year, but he's playing scared. Many of the passes that have been off from Robert has been due to him throwing off his back foot. Yes, I know that all the great QBs, including Griffin, have been able to complete great passes despite bad mechanics, but Griffin has been doing this quite a bit in the last two games. I think it's coming down to the fact that Griffin is still trying to get back into game speed mode, and often when a QB is still trying to adjust, you're going to see him throwing off his back foot because he's trying to get the ball out quicker. And let's not down play this, the guy has come back from a very, very, serious knee injury. Only eight months ago at that! So, in a way, I can't blame Griffin for being a little cautious with his knee.

I also can't blame the coaches for wanting to protect Robert as much as they can in the early going. I can't say for sure if Robert is actually reading the defense in the read option (when they do run it) or if the tosses to Morris are strictly designed no matter what. But I have noticed times when Griffin would have taken off and ran - especially when there was a running lane, and he didn't. Now of course, that's part of what we complained about last season - was that he needs to learn to not run so much, so I guess we can't complain out of both sides of our mouths. Either let him run or let him be quarterback first and running back as very last option.

Finally, The blame is spread across everything. Those who are advocating sitting Griffin either have not been watching the games, or just those knee-jerk reaction type of people who have tunnel vision to the quarterback and disregard everything else. Griffin is not going to be in 2012 in the early going, but he has to be out there to get back to his 2012 form. He's not going to fully recover, physically & mentally, until he's out there enough to trust his surgery, trust himself, and to trust his protection. It's just going to take time. Two full games after eight months removed from a serious knee injury, and we're talking about sitting Griffin? He's healed, but he's gotta get out there and work through this, that is the only way he gets out of this.

Let's remember, our secondary is going to go through some major growing pains. They are young, and they are showing us they are rookies. They will improve, but it's going to take time. They had to face this uptempo offense that nobody knew anything about, then they had to face Aaron Rodgers. Next week, they have to face Mathew Stafford and Megatron? These cats are getting baptized by fire, man. But, in the long run, this will help them. I think we will have a very strong secondary, but it's going to take time.

I hate the this season has started out the way it has, but I don't think there is need for panic just yet. I'll start to sweat a little more if the 'skins drop one to the Lions, but this is a very talented Redskins team. I think Mike Shanahan has done a great job turning this organization around. We 'skins fans are a very fickled bunch and often look at the glass as being half empty, because we're used to failure. Some expect it, and even some of us hope for it just so we can complain. But, I'm not going to complain just yet. I understand how much this injury would effect not just Griffin, but the entire team. He is the leader out there, and if he's not so sure of himself, then the rest of the team is going to pick up on that. A win against the Lions and the Raiders puts the 'skins into a good situation and erases our doubts and fears.

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[quote=SouperMeister;1026329]Nobody could function as an effective pocket passer behind this line. Griffin threw plenty of accurate intermediate to deep passes from the pocket last year. This notion that he cannot become excellent in the pocket is bunk. That said, with his lack of protection, he better start using his legs to extend plays, or this will be a very long season.[/quote]

Well if you look at RGII"S sacks 4 and hits 12 there are plent of other QB's hit and sacked about the same with much better numbers. I don't buy into the O line is to blame and the number don't support it either.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1026333]What does that even mean?[/quote]

Obviously, GT watched the game while hanging upside down with a looking glass in one hand, and a bottle of scotch in the other. Thus giving him a perspective that is undoubtedly clearer than others sitting in a comfortable chair.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1026348]Obviously, GT watched the game while hanging upside down with a looking glass in one hand, and a bottle of scotch in the other. Thus giving him a perspective that is undoubtedly clearer than others sitting in a comfortable chair.[/quote]

Well in that case, Gtripp and I should share.....hold on, Tripp what kinda Scotch do you drink?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1026348]Obviously, GT watched the game while hanging upside down with a looking glass in one hand, and a bottle of scotch in the other. Thus giving him a perspective that is undoubtedly clearer than others sitting in a comfortable chair.[/quote]

I always knew he was an alcoholic bat.

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I know this is an Offensive thread, but I have to throw out a Defensive observation from the Packers game. The Redskins came out all over Rodgers with 3 sacks early. then the Packers adjusted to quick throws and a lot of 3 yard outs and other short patterns you see Welker run a lot of in Denver and previously New England. The Redskins corners started playing off their WRs by 7-10 yards and allowing all of these quick passes and Jim Hasslet did not adjust and it was over.

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[quote=scowan;1026356]I know this is an Offensive thread, but I have to throw out a Defensive observation from the Packers game. The Redskins came out all over Rodgers with 3 sacks early. then the Packers adjusted to quick throws and a lot of 3 yard outs and other short patterns you see Welker run a lot of in Denver and previously New England. The Redskins corners started playing off their WRs by 7-10 yards and allowing all of these quick passes and Jim Hasslet did not adjust and it was over.[/quote]

The lack of defensive adjustments was alarming in the Packers game, but was evident in the second half of the Eagles game. I almost want to throw that one out due to the unknown of their offense and the way we gave them the ball on a short field. BUT the Packers game was a different story all together. Fletch looked flat out bad in that game and was having real trouble getting the guys lined up on defense.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1026333]What does that even mean?[/quote]

He watched the game twice... lol

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I can't buy the arguments, GTripp. RG3 hasn't been able to move this offense until the game is already out of reach. The only time our games have been competitive is between kickoff and 13:00 minutes remaining in the first quarter. I do not believe all of our woes are because of RG3, but many of them are on RG3.

Here are some of my casual observations from the two games thus far:
1) RG3 is not planting and throwing. His mechanics have gone to hell and I believe that is because of the status of his knee. He's throwing it sideways and he rarely drops back, plants, and fires.
2) Because he's using poor mechanics, we're seeing a lot more balls sail on him. This kid used to deliver balls on a frozen rope, that is gone. He is no longer delivering with the velocity and accuracy he did in the past. I understand he's going from the pocket now, but it remains that he's not delivering like he had.
3) I want to emphasize WHEN he's put up his numbers. In the GB game it was 31-0 before we scored our first points in the [b]3rd quarter[/b]. At that point, the defense isn't worried about putting pressure on the QB and making big plays. They're concerned with working the clock and giving underneath throws. The first game was the exact same way before we scored our first offensive TD. We are scoring in the 4th quarter and 3rd quarter. At this point, defenses have already softened and they're working on the clock.
4) The commentators you blast, many of them have had the same type of procedures. Everyone said it took a significant amount of time to come back and feel comfortable. While the only person that can truly answer this question is RG3 himself -- I believe the consensus is that these procedures often require more time to heal -- both physically and mentally.

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[quote=Daseal;1026381]I can't buy the arguments, GTripp. RG3 hasn't been able to move this offense until the game is already out of reach. The only time our games have been competitive is between kickoff and 13:00 minutes remaining in the first quarter. I do not believe all of our woes are because of RG3, but many of them are on RG3.

Here are some of my casual observations from the two games thus far:
1) RG3 is not planting and throwing. His mechanics have gone to hell and I believe that is because of the status of his knee. He's throwing it sideways and he rarely drops back, plants, and fires.
2) Because he's using poor mechanics, we're seeing a lot more balls sail on him. This kid used to deliver balls on a frozen rope, that is gone. He is no longer delivering with the velocity and accuracy he did in the past. I understand he's going from the pocket now, but it remains that he's not delivering like he had.
3) I want to emphasize WHEN he's put up his numbers. In the GB game it was 31-0 before we scored our first points in the [B]3rd quarter[/B]. At that point, the defense isn't worried about putting pressure on the QB and making big plays. They're concerned with working the clock and giving underneath throws. The first game was the exact same way before we scored our first offensive TD. We are scoring in the 4th quarter and 3rd quarter. At this point, defenses have already softened and they're working on the clock.
4) The commentators you blast, many of them have had the same type of procedures. Everyone said it took a significant amount of time to come back and feel comfortable. While the only person that can truly answer this question is RG3 himself -- I believe the consensus is that these procedures often require more time to heal -- both physically and mentally.[/quote]


Good post I agree with all of this , the Q will be if/when RG3 can be the same player again

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[quote=Daseal;1026381]I can't buy the arguments, GTripp. RG3 hasn't been able to move this offense until the game is already out of reach. The only time our games have been competitive is between kickoff and 13:00 minutes remaining in the first quarter. I do not believe all of our woes are because of RG3, but many of them are on RG3.

Here are some of my casual observations from the two games thus far:
1) RG3 is not planting and throwing. His mechanics have gone to hell and I believe that is because of the status of his knee. He's throwing it sideways and he rarely drops back, plants, and fires.
2) Because he's using poor mechanics, we're seeing a lot more balls sail on him. This kid used to deliver balls on a frozen rope, that is gone. He is no longer delivering with the velocity and accuracy he did in the past. I understand he's going from the pocket now, but it remains that he's not delivering like he had.
3) I want to emphasize WHEN he's put up his numbers. In the GB game it was 31-0 before we scored our first points in the [B]3rd quarter[/B]. At that point, the defense isn't worried about putting pressure on the QB and making big plays. They're concerned with working the clock and giving underneath throws. The first game was the exact same way before we scored our first offensive TD. We are scoring in the 4th quarter and 3rd quarter. At this point, defenses have already softened and they're working on the clock.
4) The commentators you blast, many of them have had the same type of procedures. Everyone said it took a significant amount of time to come back and feel comfortable. While the only person that can truly answer this question is RG3 himself -- I believe the consensus is that these procedures often require more time to heal -- both physically and mentally.[/quote]

Excellent post. Thank you.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1026333]What does that even mean?[/quote]


Gtripp is really Kyle Shanahan

Re: One Night Only: Offensive Packers-Redskins Game Review, Mythbusters Edition
 

[quote=Daseal;1026381]I can't buy the arguments, GTripp. RG3 hasn't been able to move this offense until the game is already out of reach. The only time our games have been competitive is between kickoff and 13:00 minutes remaining in the first quarter. I do not believe all of our woes are because of RG3, but many of them are on RG3.

Here are some of my casual observations from the two games thus far:
1) RG3 is not planting and throwing. His mechanics have gone to hell and I believe that is because of the status of his knee. He's throwing it sideways and he rarely drops back, plants, and fires.
2) Because he's using poor mechanics, we're seeing a lot more balls sail on him. This kid used to deliver balls on a frozen rope, that is gone. He is no longer delivering with the velocity and accuracy he did in the past. I understand he's going from the pocket now, but it remains that he's not delivering like he had.
3) I want to emphasize WHEN he's put up his numbers. In the GB game it was 31-0 before we scored our first points in the [b]3rd quarter[/b]. At that point, the defense isn't worried about putting pressure on the QB and making big plays. They're concerned with working the clock and giving underneath throws. The first game was the exact same way before we scored our first offensive TD. We are scoring in the 4th quarter and 3rd quarter. At this point, defenses have already softened and they're working on the clock.
4) The commentators you blast, many of them have had the same type of procedures. Everyone said it took a significant amount of time to come back and feel comfortable. While the only person that can truly answer this question is RG3 himself -- I believe the consensus is that these procedures often require more time to heal -- both physically and mentally.[/quote]

Great post man. I have my doubts whether he's 100%.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1026385]Good post I agree with all of this , the Q will be if/when RG3 can be the same player again[/quote]

I have no doubt that he will be. The only question I have is will it be soon? I have a feeling that next year the kid is all the way back and is damn impressive. With that said there is no way I would start anyone other than III while he his getting up to speed. All of this Cousins talk is ridiculous.

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[quote=Daseal;1026381]I can't buy the arguments, GTripp. RG3 hasn't been able to move this offense until the game is already out of reach. The only time our games have been competitive is between kickoff and 13:00 minutes remaining in the first quarter. I do not believe all of our woes are because of RG3, but many of them are on RG3.

Here are some of my casual observations from the two games thus far:
1) RG3 is not planting and throwing. His mechanics have gone to hell and I believe that is because of the status of his knee. He's throwing it sideways and he rarely drops back, plants, and fires.
2) Because he's using poor mechanics, we're seeing a lot more balls sail on him. This kid used to deliver balls on a frozen rope, that is gone. He is no longer delivering with the velocity and accuracy he did in the past. I understand he's going from the pocket now, but it remains that he's not delivering like he had.
3) I want to emphasize WHEN he's put up his numbers. In the GB game it was 31-0 before we scored our first points in the [b]3rd quarter[/b]. At that point, the defense isn't worried about putting pressure on the QB and making big plays. They're concerned with working the clock and giving underneath throws. The first game was the exact same way before we scored our first offensive TD. We are scoring in the 4th quarter and 3rd quarter. At this point, defenses have already softened and they're working on the clock.
4) The commentators you blast, many of them have had the same type of procedures. Everyone said it took a significant amount of time to come back and feel comfortable. While the only person that can truly answer this question is RG3 himself -- I believe the consensus is that these procedures often require more time to heal -- both physically and mentally.[/quote]

Good Post.. Basically everything I said in a more summarized version on the first page. I'm glad we agree.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1026333]What does that even mean?[/quote]

He watched the game backwards.

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[quote=Daseal;1026381]I can't buy the arguments, GTripp. RG3 hasn't been able to move this offense until the game is already out of reach. The only time our games have been competitive is between kickoff and 13:00 minutes remaining in the first quarter. I do not believe all of our woes are because of RG3, but many of them are on RG3.

Here are some of my casual observations from the two games thus far:
1) RG3 is not planting and throwing. His mechanics have gone to hell and I believe that is because of the status of his knee. He's throwing it sideways and he rarely drops back, plants, and fires.
2) Because he's using poor mechanics, we're seeing a lot more balls sail on him. This kid used to deliver balls on a frozen rope, that is gone. He is no longer delivering with the velocity and accuracy he did in the past. I understand he's going from the pocket now, but it remains that he's not delivering like he had.
3) I want to emphasize WHEN he's put up his numbers. In the GB game it was 31-0 before we scored our first points in the [B]3rd quarter[/B]. At that point, the defense isn't worried about putting pressure on the QB and making big plays. They're concerned with working the clock and giving underneath throws. The first game was the exact same way before we scored our first offensive TD. We are scoring in the 4th quarter and 3rd quarter. At this point, defenses have already softened and they're working on the clock.
4) The commentators you blast, many of them have had the same type of procedures. Everyone said it took a significant amount of time to come back and feel comfortable. While the only person that can truly answer this question is RG3 himself -- I believe the consensus is that these procedures often require more time to heal -- both physically and mentally.[/quote]

Good post, Daseal.

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;1026333]What does that even mean?[/QUOTE]

I think it means he has more time on his hands than i do to watch game tape, or that he is watching game tape in his underwear with a rooster named Bo - because that is definitely not something that happens everyday.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1026326]How does dumping the pistol help? You have actually seen a lot more teams incorporate it, because it gives qbs a split second more time to read the defenses.
As for the RO I think all the RO teams wanted to get a feel for how the refs were going to call it and how defenses were going to adjust.

No matter what this week the offense needs to come out on track.[/quote]

Hi Rule. Yes, the RO is spreading and doing wonders- for everyone other than us. I come from the understanding that this a passing era and the QB is evermore important these days. Defense is now overrated b/c as long as you can pass and score with ease, then any game can be won. What's troubled me to plead we stop with the RO is b/c of how Shanny wants to use rob in it. He has managed to take the most competent and able QB to run RO and subject him to unnecessary injury. Lesser talented QB's Wilson, Kapernick were drafted later and cost less, yet sound mgt and coaching has avoided their injuries and have taken them further in the postseason. Kyle had his shot, he blew it and while rob is present and playing, his injury is really costing him the 2013 season. I was for rob to not start the year. He needs to rest. Kyle was supposed to retool the offense to his strengths. Wasn't that done last year, sort of? Where is the offense for a < healthy QB who is his former self? The offense is disgusting right now.

To quote the most scholarly source, he's a "bama" or "ma' ba" which has yet to be fully understood.....

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[quote=Daseal;1026381]I can't buy the arguments, GTripp. RG3 hasn't been able to move this offense until the game is already out of reach. The only time our games have been competitive is between kickoff and 13:00 minutes remaining in the first quarter. I do not believe all of our woes are because of RG3, but many of them are on RG3.

Here are some of my casual observations from the two games thus far:
1) RG3 is not planting and throwing. His mechanics have gone to hell and I believe that is because of the status of his knee. He's throwing it sideways and he rarely drops back, plants, and fires.
2) Because he's using poor mechanics, we're seeing a lot more balls sail on him. This kid used to deliver balls on a frozen rope, that is gone. He is no longer delivering with the velocity and accuracy he did in the past. I understand he's going from the pocket now, but it remains that he's not delivering like he had.
3) I want to emphasize WHEN he's put up his numbers. In the GB game it was 31-0 before we scored our first points in the [b]3rd quarter[/b]. At that point, the defense isn't worried about putting pressure on the QB and making big plays. They're concerned with working the clock and giving underneath throws. The first game was the exact same way before we scored our first offensive TD. We are scoring in the 4th quarter and 3rd quarter. At this point, defenses have already softened and they're working on the clock.
4) The commentators you blast, many of them have had the same type of procedures. Everyone said it took a significant amount of time to come back and feel comfortable. While the only person that can truly answer this question is RG3 himself -- I believe the consensus is that these procedures often require more time to heal -- both physically and mentally.[/quote]

I too agree with all this also,theres no way Rg3 is 100%.He's about 60% of what he was last yr if that.
His total qbr rating pretty much says it all,he's only ahead of Brandon Weeden and Blaine Gabbert
[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/passingYards/year/2013/seasontype/2]2013 NFL Player Passing Stats - National Football League - ESPN[/url]

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I think physically he's probably not 100% but I think he's close, I think the mental part is what's holding him back at this point and is going to take some more time before he's 100% comfortable.

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IMcheapO RGIII is near 100% physically. But mentally he is playing scared and you can't do that in the NFL.

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Unless your one of the coaches and have inside information I call BS.

[B]Myth #1-[/B] "IF" RG3 is 100% then tell him to take the damn brace off and get back to what he did best last year. The brace is keeping him from moving freely and is slowing him down, so can he take it off? Most likely not cause although the leg is strong enough to push off and run it still needs lateral support so he doesn't blow out his knee again. Because of that I have said he is not 100%. It's one thing to have the rib padding to protect him in case someone hits him, it's another to wear a knee brace because you HAVE to have the support.

[B]Myth 2-[/B] RG3 has struggled. Why? because last year defenses could not stack the box and had to spread out to cover the field in case he ran. This year defenses are playing a game of Chess. They are betting we won't move our Queen out of the pocket so they stack the box with rusher and force RG3 to beat them passing. Secondly our OL is designed to move and block (zone blocking), and instead we have been asking them to simply form a pocket and protect their QB. It's not what they did last year. Which is why I suggested rolling RG3 out more and getting him out of the pocket so he will have throwing lanes and less pressure.

[B]Myth 3-[/B] I'm not sure if you are correct or not but I certainly don't think MS/KS went 20-40 plays before calling the option. It seemed more like it was about every 3rd or 4th play they used the option. Lets say I'm wrong and they didn't use it as often as I thought they did, they certainly didn't wait until the end of the 3rd quarter to start using it in last years games.

[B]Myth 4-[/B] You conceded as a possibility.

The rest I'll concede is a possibility. However, if I'm a HC I'm of the mind set that the Skins are not going to run RG3 unless they prove me wrong. I'm banking he's not 100%, he's still wearing the brace which tells me more then likely he's not going to want to or be willing to run for the 1st down... again until he proves me wrong. So I stack the DL and stop the only ground option you most likely would use (Morris) and force you into being one dimensional (passing). The Eagles decided to rush the whole game and figured if they couldn't get to RG3 then they would blow up the run plays. It worked for them. GB saw what the Eagles did and copied it. Until this team adjusts for what is happening each team will continue to do the same thing.

Which is why I suggested design some roll outs, play action to roll outs, fake the option to roll outs. Then and only then will other teams back off and cover more of the field opening up run lanes for Morris.

They also need to get RG3 on page with his TE's and WR's. Add more quick slant routes, and curl routes which is hard for the defender to stop. Add in some routes where the WR has to run 20 yrds then come back 5 or 10 to catch the ball. Then the other plays will start opening up. The double moves will start working.

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Myth 1 - RG3 is a bama

Thats right I said it, RG isnt a bama thats a myth put on by a damn fake ass troll. RG3 is a stone cold pimp. EJ Manuel has thrown A touchdown, Tom Brady likes to yell, One Manning bro leads the league in TD thrown, the other leads the league in Interceptions and dog-like frowns. RG3 has pimp tendencies shown when he took a franchise on his back after a 3-6 start and lead them to a division title.

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[quote=Chico23231;1026466]Myth 1 - RG3 is a bama

Thats right I said it, RG isnt a bama thats a myth put on by a damn fake ass troll. RG3 is a stone cold pimp. EJ Manuel has throw A touchdown, Tom Brady likes to yell, One Manning bro leads the league in TD thrown, the other leads the league in Interceptions and dog-like frowns. RG3 has pimp tendencies shown when he took a franchise on his back after a 3-6 start and lead them to a division title.[/quote]

This might be my favorite post of the year :food-smil

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I think only RGIII knows what RGIII thinks.

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[quote=Mattyk;1026444]I think physically he's probably not 100% but I think he's close, I think the mental part is what's holding him back at this point and is going to take some more time before he's 100% comfortable.[/quote]

I agree and imo he was looking to get rid of the ball asap in the Packers game like he was a bit scared of getting hit. He wasn't much of a threat to run so the Packers were able to kind of figure him out easier.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1026496]I think only RGIII knows what RGIII thinks.[/quote]
Please......cease with you're Bamaassery!

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1026496]I think only RGIII knows what RGIII thinks.[/quote]

You mean only RGTrIIIp knows

I don't think he's playing terribly myself

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Any insights SS about internal problems with the team? Or is this just a fundamental football problem? The defense is pretty poor is their any internal feelings about what the problems are?

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1026354]I always knew he was an alcoholic bat.[/quote]You caught me. I admit it.

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[quote=Daseal;1026381]I can't buy the arguments, GTripp. RG3 hasn't been able to move this offense until the game is already out of reach. The only time our games have been competitive is between kickoff and 13:00 minutes remaining in the first quarter. I do not believe all of our woes are because of RG3, but many of them are on RG3.

Here are some of my casual observations from the two games thus far:
1) RG3 is not planting and throwing. His mechanics have gone to hell and I believe that is because of the status of his knee. He's throwing it sideways and he rarely drops back, plants, and fires.
2) Because he's using poor mechanics, we're seeing a lot more balls sail on him. This kid used to deliver balls on a frozen rope, that is gone. He is no longer delivering with the velocity and accuracy he did in the past. I understand he's going from the pocket now, but it remains that he's not delivering like he had.
3) I want to emphasize WHEN he's put up his numbers. In the GB game it was 31-0 before we scored our first points in the [b]3rd quarter[/b]. At that point, the defense isn't worried about putting pressure on the QB and making big plays. They're concerned with working the clock and giving underneath throws. The first game was the exact same way before we scored our first offensive TD. We are scoring in the 4th quarter and 3rd quarter. At this point, defenses have already softened and they're working on the clock.
4) The commentators you blast, many of them have had the same type of procedures. Everyone said it took a significant amount of time to come back and feel comfortable. While the only person that can truly answer this question is RG3 himself -- I believe the consensus is that these procedures often require more time to heal -- both physically and mentally.[/quote]Just to briefly respond to the points of disagreement.

A lot of this analysis is based off the Green Bay game. Perhaps RG3 should be docked for having two or three balls sail over the intended target against Philadelphia, but the accuracy wasn't really an issue against Green Bay. He completed 65% and threw some in-completions because he tried forcing a couple passes to receivers that weren't open, usually on third downs.

If you thought Griffin was a big-time plant-and-fire guy last season, I don't know how to respond. He can clearly rip it, but he's not a consistent strider, and you have to keep that in mind when concluding that he's "not stepping into his throws." There are some throws he isn't stepping into, others he is, and this isn't all that different from last season.

You point out his ball velocity is affected. I just don't think it is, like, at all. This would be something that would be cool if we could see it measured objectively, but I don't have a way of doing that. I can tell you that he isn't underthrowing receivers any more often than last year, but I haven't seen data on the actual ball velocity. It just looks normal to me. If I'm wrong about that, I'm wrong about that.

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A lot of suggested that RG3 is just mentally not comfortable yet in the pocket.

This is may or may not be the case -- he looks fine to me -- but I would tend to lean towards other explanations for his lack of running than that he's uncomfortable. There's just no evidence to support it.

He might actually BE really uncomfortable out there. He might just not feel right. But I think that's a less logical explanation to me at least than he's just been trailing on the scoreboard pretty much the whole season. And that has probably been the number one factor (along with prepared defenses) in why the running element of his game just hasn't been a factor.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1026591]A lot of suggested that RG3 is just mentally not comfortable yet in the pocket.

This is may or may not be the case -- he looks fine to me -- but I would tend to lean towards other explanations for his lack of running than that he's uncomfortable. There's just no evidence to support it.

He might actually BE really uncomfortable out there. He might just not feel right. But I think that's a less logical explanation to me at least than he's just been trailing on the scoreboard pretty much the whole season. And that has probably been the number one factor (along with prepared defenses) in why the running element of his game just hasn't been a factor.[/quote]

I said that RGIII looks more than "uncomfortable" - in fact I said that, to me, RGIII is playing scared. I did not mean this as an explanation for why he is not running, although that is part of it. I meant my claim as an explanation for why his mechanics and decision-making in the passing game have been so poor at times.

Please note that if I am right, this is a fixable problem. If you fall off a horse, trepidation is natural until you get back on and experience safety again. If I am right, RGIII needs to get to the point where he says, "Damn the torpedoes" and moves on. I think that this will happen this week, in fact.

my 2 cents

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[quote=GTripp0012;1026591]A lot of suggested that RG3 is just mentally not comfortable yet in the pocket.

This is may or may not be the case -- he looks fine to me -- but I would tend to lean towards other explanations for his lack of running than that he's uncomfortable. There's just no evidence to support it.

He might actually BE really uncomfortable out there. He might just not feel right. But I think that's a less logical explanation to me at least than he's just been trailing on the scoreboard pretty much the whole season. And that has probably been the number one factor (along with prepared defenses) in why the running element of his game just hasn't been a factor.[/quote]

RG3 lowest QB rating in the league in the first half of games 33.3%, second half is the 5th highest. His completion % is 45.8 (11/24) in the first half. His accuracy is a problem.

So when the defense softens, he does well.

[url=http://scores.nbcsports.msnbc.com/fb/leaders.asp?range=NFC&type=Passing&rank=092&year=]NBC Sports[/url].

RG3 is not comfy in the pocket and his mechanics are inconsistent and not stable.

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[quote=Lotus;1026593]I said that RGIII looks "uncomfortable" - in fact I said that, to me, RGIII is playing scared. I did not mean this as an explanation for why he is not running, although that is part of it. I meant my claim as an explanation for why his mechanics and decision-making in the passing game have been so poor at times.[/quote]Which is a risk I took by generalizing the comments by three or four people into one claim.

The 'mechanics are fine' argument is the easiest one for me to address. RG3 won rookie of the year last year, so his mechanical flaws didn't matter. We're 0-2 now, so the mechanics are now under scrutiny. This is normal.

The decision-making argument has no easy response, because even though the overall takeaway I had from the GB game was positive (on offense), RG3 is clearly forcing passes to covered receivers. This is not a positive development. He has to make better decisions.

It is my belief that a change in the circumstances around him (the talent on his offense relative the the defenses he's facing) is the main culprit. This is just a hypothesis that makes a lot of sense, and I think there's a lot of evidence supporting it. But it could be argued just as easily that the decisions made are just a function of where RG3 is at in his rehab. Because he wasn't forcing this many throws last year, and this troubles people.

It should trouble people, but I don't think there's a whole lot RG3 can really do about it outside of throw the ball away more. But that's not going to fix the offense.

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Seems pretty obvious he's not 100% comfortable in the pocket, now whether it's due to all the blitzes he's facing, the knee, or maybe a combo of both, who knows. All I know is he's not the same guy he was last year, at least to this point.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;1026551]Any insights SS about internal problems with the team? Or is this just a fundamental football problem? The defense is pretty poor is their any internal feelings about what the problems are?[/quote]

Just some disagreements about football. Nothing deeper than that. Nothing some wins won't fix

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Green bay secondary is flat out garbage. Our guys match up with them just fine.

Yes decision making is a problem.

I'd say this, RG3 problems are an easy fix compared to protection and game planning at this point. Coaches on the o-side have had there asses handed to them.

Unless we push Polumbus off a cliff, that problem is never going to be fixed.

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RG3 has a qbr rating of two !!! in the first half of games this yr.How anybody thinks he looks good or comfortable is beyond me.The garbage time stats in the 2nd half mean nothing