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I don't care if you are the Redskins or the Broncos, if you lose the turnover battle and keep getting silly flags, you can't win. They have done that for all three weeks so far.

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[quote=scowan;1029007]I don't care if you are the Redskins or the Broncos, if you lose the turnover battle and keep getting silly flags, you can't win. They have done that for all three weeks so far.[/quote]

Agree. I dont know whats worse, the actual piss poor turnover or the coach the next couple days defending it as a decent play. Hopefully there is a little more accountabilty going on behind close doors. RG3's mistakes need to decrease in order for this team to win. And yeah the penalties are terrible. I just throw my hands up at this point because its been a hallmark of the Shanny regime.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1028973]I thought the 1992 Chargers started 0-4 and made the playoffs[/quote]

I stand corrected.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1028974]Thank goodness, because that was a lot of nonsensical BS...

You sound like the spoiled rich kid that just found out that you were cut off.

We got a taste of success last year, and now beginning the season with a little adversity everyone wants to cry about the struggles, point fingers, and pack it in...Sad really.[/quote]

I don't know, I though it was all an honest criticism. Perhaps you can enlighten me as to what you found nonsensical.

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[quote=saden1;1029013]I stand corrected.[/quote]Yes, but should we do the math to show our chances to make the playoffs statistically are less than 1% if we go to 0-4. I don't disagree with any of your points, we go 0-4 Haslett needs to go and unless there's a drastic turn-around, clean the coaching house completely after the season.

BTW, good to see you posting and hope all is well with you and your family.

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[quote=Chico23231;1029009]Agree. I dont know whats worse, the actual piss poor turnover or the coach the next couple days defending it as a decent play. Hopefully there is a little more accountabilty going on behind close doors. RG3's mistakes need to decrease in order for this team to win. And yeah the penalties are terrible. I just throw my hands up at this point because its been a hallmark of the Shanny regime.[/quote]

Last year during the 7 game winning streak, it was the other team committing the silly penalty and for the most part the Redskins stayed away from them. Although our team also made a lot of big plays as well, and we haven't seen those. If Robinson hangs on to that 57 TD, we would all be singing a different tune this week and be talking about our own "big plays". I don't know about you guys but Robinson is dropping too many balls for me. Why is Garcon not running those routes?

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If they go 0-5 then its on to 2014.

When the Skins said RG3 was going to start in week 1 I had a feeling that expectations would need to be lowered since he'd need a few weeks to get up to speed and that seems to be what is happening. I expected something more like 2-2 over the first 4 weeks so if they win vs Oak they will only be 1 game off of what I expected.

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[quote=scowan;1029024]Last year during the 7 game winning streak, it was the other team committing the silly penalty and for the most part the Redskins stayed away from them. Although our team also made a lot of big plays as well, and we haven't seen those. If Robinson hangs on to that 57 TD, we would all be singing a different tune this week and be talking about our own "big plays". I don't know about you guys but Robinson is dropping too many balls for me. Why is Garcon not running those routes?[/quote]

Totally agree Robinson drops passes. I don't know why we keep him, let alone play him. I don't think Peter Boy has the wheels to burn many DBs though, so our vertical passing attack is fairly limited. I think Moss should get the vertical calls but Mike/Kyle/Bob clearly limits his involvement, to the offenses detriment IMO.

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[quote=saden1;1029014]I don't know, I though it was all an honest criticism. Perhaps you can enlighten me as to what you found nonsensical.[/quote]


Pretty much all of this:


Note to Mike, I have no idea what you're doing and neither does anyone else.

Note to [B]Kyel[/B], they've figured you out!

Note to Haslett, nothing you call is likely to be effective. Try to be as effective as possible.

Note to Hall, no one is back there to cover your ass and you're a bum.

Note to Wilson, you are the best DB we have but that's like saying saden1 is the best armchair coach on the warpath.

Note to Rambo, you ain't Rambo, you is Rammed.

Note RG3, keep your mouth shut and watch your back.

Note to Morris, I'm sorry.

Note to Trent, you had the worse game of your career last week and you better get your mofo hands out of your pockets.

Note to London, you can't coach bums.

Note to DL, if you can't stop a nosebleed then how do you expect to stop a RB?

Note to OL, you're doing a decent job in the second half.

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This thread:

[img]http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/191eulvlpbsosgif/original.gif[/img]

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[quote=Monkeydad;1029047]This thread:

[img]http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/191eulvlpbsosgif/original.gif[/img][/quote]

wow, that is not how you want your $50+Million qb to look when he's looking at the Polaroids.

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I don't think the Redskins are done, yet. The defense has absolutely got to step up and start making some plays. They haven't been tackling, they're not getting off the field on 3rd downs, and they keep giving up big plays at critical times during the game. On offense, there's such a focus on RGIII to prove he's healthy or can be a pocket passer and so forth. This is a running team..Alfred Morris is the key to this offense. He is a beast and should be running the ball 25+ times a game. I know they fell behind in the first 2 games, but we were right there with Detroit, and he got the ball 15 times? That's on the coaches and play calling. We have Helu also who can run effectively. Run the damn ball and take it out of RGIII's hands. Let him mix the play action passes and bootlegs in. The run game will open everything else up.

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Somewhat relevant to the thread:

[url=http://finance.yahoo.com/news/why-robert-griffin-iii-trade-145442615.html]Why The 2012 Robert Griffin III Trade That Rocked The NFL Has Been Bad For Everyone - Yahoo Finance[/url]

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^^^ I didn't know we only beat two playoff teams last year, anybody else? I knew the NFC East was a joke, which allowed us to win the division, but sounds like we really just had an especially easy schedule last season overall.

I do think RG can be salvaged as a QB, but highly highly highly doubt there's a coach currently on staff to do it. And then you still have a team that's otherwise a mess. Mike has made the team worse than the one he inherited. Way worse on defense. About the same on offense apart from the RO as a new gimmick to the league.

Would really love a coach like Lovie Smith who consistently produced a truly top defense and a disciplined team overall. Find a OC genius to work with RG under Lovie. Let that group rebuild this team.

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What's your basis for saying Lovie's teams were disciplined?

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[quote=SmootSmack;1029073]What's your basis for saying Lovie's teams were disciplined?[/quote]

You can't have a truly dominant, top tier defense and not be disciplined. The two things go hand in hand. Saw stats on the Bears defense recently throughout Lovie's tenure and it's truly amazing how good that unit was.

I see Lovie as a solid leader and again phenomenal defensive mind, but he needs a very good OC to run the offense. I think just about any OC would jump at the prospect of working with RG, right?

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[quote=The Goat;1029072]^^^ I didn't know we only beat two playoff teams last year, anybody else? I knew the NFC East was a joke, which allowed us to win the division, but sounds like we really just had an especially easy schedule last season overall.

I do think RG can be salvaged as a QB, but highly highly highly doubt there's a coach currently on staff to do it. And then you still have a team that's otherwise a mess. [B]Mike has made the team worse than the one he inherited.[/B] Way worse on defense. About the same on offense apart from the RO as a new gimmick to the league.

Would really love a coach like Lovie Smith who consistently produced a truly top defense and a disciplined team overall. Find a OC genius to work with RG under Lovie. Let that group rebuild this team.[/quote]
Wow.......
Ahh....how do you feel about Patrick Ramsey?
...........just askin'

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[quote=The Goat;1029074]You can't have a truly dominant, top tier defense and not be disciplined. The two things go hand in hand. Saw stats on the Bears defense recently throughout Lovie's tenure and it's truly amazing how good that unit was.

I see Lovie as a solid leader and again phenomenal defensive mind, but he needs a very good OC to run the offense. I think just about any OC would jump at the prospect of working with RG, right?[/quote]

So penalties, penalty yards. That doesn't really matter?

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[quote=The Goat;1029072]^^^ I didn't know we only beat two playoff teams last year, anybody else? I knew the NFC East was a joke, which allowed us to win the division, but sounds like we really just had an especially easy schedule last season overall.

I do think RG can be salvaged as a QB, but highly highly highly doubt there's a coach currently on staff to do it. And then you still have a team that's otherwise a mess. Mike has made the team worse than the one he inherited. Way worse on defense. About the same on offense apart from the RO as a new gimmick to the league.

Would really love a coach like Lovie Smith who consistently produced a truly top defense and a disciplined team overall. Find a OC genius to work with RG under Lovie. Let that group rebuild this team.[/quote]

And the fact that the Bears already tried your plan, but never had an offense until Lovie left, doesn't invalidate your plan?

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[quote=The Goat;1029071]Somewhat relevant to the thread:

[url=http://finance.yahoo.com/news/why-robert-griffin-iii-trade-145442615.html]Why The 2012 Robert Griffin III Trade That Rocked The NFL Has Been Bad For Everyone - Yahoo Finance[/url][/quote]

1) the Skins missed the playoffs for years and had a top 10 pick in virtually every draft. How did that work out?

2) they lost $36mil in cap space. Take that away from any other team and see how great their depth is

Moronic article.

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[quote=The Goat;1029072]^^^ I didn't know we only beat two playoff teams last year, anybody else? I knew the NFC East was a joke, which allowed us to win the division, but sounds like we really just had an especially easy schedule last season overall.

I do think RG can be salvaged as a QB, but highly highly highly doubt there's a coach currently on staff to do it. And then you still have a team that's otherwise a mess. Mike has made the team worse than the one he inherited. Way worse on defense. About the same on offense apart from the RO as a new gimmick to the league.

Would really love a coach like Lovie Smith who consistently produced a truly top defense and a disciplined team overall. Find a OC genius to work with RG under Lovie. Let that group rebuild this team.[/quote]

They beat the champs at least. How many teams on this year's schedule will make the playoffs? Broncos for sure. Bears, Lions and Packers can't all go. Falcons? Chiefs? Dare I say, Cowboys?

Let's say 4 or 5. They don't need to win more than 2-3 of those games. 9-7 could win the division. They win the division and it's 2 less games they would have played against playoff teams.

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[quote=The Goat;1029074]You can't have a truly dominant, top tier defense and not be disciplined. The two things go hand in hand. Saw stats on the Bears defense recently throughout Lovie's tenure and it's truly amazing how good that unit was.

I see Lovie as a solid leader and again phenomenal defensive mind, but he needs a very good OC to run the offense. I think just about any OC would jump at the prospect of working with RG, right?[/quote]

Who cares about Defense? Has anyone been watching the last few Super Bowls? What was the final score last year? Where did the Patriots and Giants rank on Defense?

The Skins were up 14-0 on the Seahawks in the playoffs last year with a Defense that ranked near the bottom. Yes, they played better down the stretch, but so could this year's squad.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1028953]I think if we lose against Oakland the season is done. I understand we would only be 0-4, but you're talking about having to then win I think at least 10 games to make the playoffs. 9 and 7 might do it but you are saying the team would only lose 3 more games.

Could we run the tables and go 12-4? Maybe. Any NFL history buffs know if a team has ever opened at 0-4 and went on to make the playoffs? What's the worst start to the season to still go to the playoffs? 0-6 and then win 10 straight games??[/quote]

I'm hoping this seasons Skins can pull off what Marty's skins did. Even if they don't make the playoffs give us something to get excited about?

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I'm a little dismayed from the absolute denial from some of you homers. It's admirable to go down swinging, but after the 3rd straight thumping it has to be wondered if there's brain trauma.
Unless you believe Hulk hogan really got his power from cheering fans or that Rocky could really take a trashing even into the 6th movie and still be a champion, than you guys are just as hopeless and only bound for further pain. I would hate to profit off disillusioned skins fans but put some money on it. There is no Santa stop believing.

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[quote=Bishop Hammer;1029088]I'm hoping this seasons Skins can pull off what Marty's skins did. Even if they don't make the playoffs give us something to get excited about?[/quote]

I need that at least to hold my head up during the offseason. I like football too much to be a skins fan. No fan should have to realize their teams season is over before the end of the first month.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1029083]So penalties, penalty yards. That doesn't really matter?[/quote]

That only matters if Shanahan is coaching. :sleep:

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1029043]Pretty much all of this:


Note to Mike, I have no idea what you're doing and neither does anyone else.

Note to [B]Kyel[/B], they've figured you out!

Note to Haslett, nothing you call is likely to be effective. Try to be as effective as possible.

Note to Hall, no one is back there to cover your ass and you're a bum.

Note to Wilson, you are the best DB we have but that's like saying saden1 is the best armchair coach on the warpath.

Note to Rambo, you ain't Rambo, you is Rammed.

Note RG3, keep your mouth shut and watch your back.

Note to Morris, I'm sorry.

Note to Trent, you had the worse game of your career last week and you better get your mofo hands out of your pockets.

Note to London, you can't coach bums.

Note to DL, if you can't stop a nosebleed then how do you expect to stop a RB?

Note to OL, you're doing a decent job in the second half.[/quote]


Interesting, perhaps you can further enlighten me with a critique of your own? I would love to get your take on coaches, players, personal groups, etc.

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[quote=Green Monk Machine;1029090]I need that at least to hold my head up during the offseason. I like football too much to be a skins fan. No fan should have to realize their teams season is over before the end of the first month.[/quote]

This is a great quote. I really feel the same way. It is a shame that only 4 weeks into the new season we know that our season is lost. It makes me think back to past years when it's October and the skins are already mathematically eliminated....

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It'll be interesting to see the 180's after Sunday's game.

If only the Mod's would give us a color coded system by which we could see forum members state of mind, based on their past 10 football related posts.

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Was the plan all along, to put RG3 in knowing he wouldn't be 100%, because playing in games would help get him up to speed quicker?

Seems like a horrible risk of injury to RG3 (that hasn't blown up *yet*), and I would rather had Cousins come in and we win at least one game (Lions or Eagles), rather than tank the first 3 games. Cousins is no controversy to replace a healthy RG3.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1029129]Was the plan all along, to put RG3 in knowing he wouldn't be 100%, because playing in games would help get him up to speed quicker?

Seems like a horrible risk of injury to RG3 (that hasn't blown up *yet*), and I would rather had Cousins come in and we win at least one game (Lions or Eagles), rather than tank the first 3 games. Cousins is no controversy to replace a healthy RG3.[/quote]

I think it might be over either way for cousins in DC. There was all those rumors in the offseason about Mike was debating on starting cousins until RG3 was healthy, and the good question was asked - what if Cousins gets hot or they are on a winning streak.

If they put Cousins in now, and the team wins, or starts winning, there would be a controversy, so I see MS sticking to RG3 no matter how bad it goes, and trading Cousins in the offseason. It's obvious they won't use him here and I think KC is a good guy and deserves to play somewhere...

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1029136]I think it might be over either way for cousins in DC. There was all those rumors in the offseason about Mike was debating on starting cousins until RG3 was healthy, and the good question was asked - what if Cousins gets hot or they are on a winning streak.

If they put Cousins in now, and the team wins, or starts winning, there would be a controversy, so I see MS sticking to RG3 no matter how bad it goes, and trading Cousins in the offseason. It's obvious they won't use him here and I think KC is a good guy and deserves to play somewhere...[/quote]

I have no idea if this is true, but if so it's the biggest indictment yet of shanny's poor coaching/leadership. His job is to win, not placate any one player on the team. That said, I'm not sure cousins would have fared better. The line has been shit, the play-calling and scheme even worse until garbage time and you can't really evaluate anything then anyway, and the overall motivation on both sides of the ball as bad as the 2nd half of '09 when everyone gave up on zorn. RG is the least of this teams problems. Even accounting for his two mistakes last Sunday, he put the team in position to still win the game and Robinson bobbled a perfectly thrown ball. When you watch this team play by play, you see Mikes failure throughout, whether it's polumbus at RT or another asinine pitch 5 yards behind the line of scrimmage, really hard to see it going anywhere anytime soon.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1029136]I think it might be over either way for cousins in DC. There was all those rumors in the offseason about Mike was debating on starting cousins until RG3 was healthy, and the good question was asked - what if Cousins gets hot or they are on a winning streak.

If they put Cousins in now, and the team wins, or starts winning, there would be a controversy, so I see MS sticking to RG3 no matter how bad it goes, and trading Cousins in the offseason. It's obvious they won't use him here and I think KC is a good guy and deserves to play somewhere...[/quote]

I have no idea if this is true, but if so it's the biggest indictment yet of shanny's poor coaching/leadership. His job is to win, not placate any one player on the team. That said, I'm not sure cousins would have fared better. The line has been shit, the play-calling and scheme even worse until garbage time and you can't really evaluate anything then anyway, and the overall motivation on both sides of the ball as bad as the 2nd half of '09 when everyone gave up on zorn. RG is the least of this teams problems. Even accounting for his two mistakes last Sunday, he put the team in position to still win the game and Robinson bobbled a perfectly thrown ball. When you watch this team play by play, you see Mikes failure throughout, whether it's polumbus at RT or another asinine pitch 5 yards behind the line of scrimmage, really hard to see it going anywhere anytime soon.

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note to whom it may concern. this thread makes me sick.

if the players had that very same attitude then yea our season is lost. but something tells me they have a lot more fight than that quitter attitude.

weve gotten the worst hands dealt to us these past few weeks. a lot of bad luck and miscues. ull c. if not, at least they'll try. then well make our assements like professionals.

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I have no idea what rumor snake and goat are talking about

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;1029143]I have no idea what rumor snake and goat are talking about[/QUOTE]

It's the rumor they manufactured for attention.

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[quote=RedskinRat;1029145]It's the rumor they manufactured for attention.[/quote]

I didn't make the rumor up, it was actually talked about in one of the other threads. It stated that the original plan was that RG3 would set out until after the bye, to give his knee extra time to heal.

MS was okay with this idea until someone on his staff (I don't know who, they did not make any suggestions), asked him what would he do if they were undefeated or Kirk Cousins was putting up elite numbers.

At that point MS must have known that was only going to cause a controversy, so he decided against it. If Cousins were to start now, and we win, it would be a full controversy, and Mike is wise enough to stay away from it.

The season may be lost so he may figure on just calling easy plays and such as to not risk further injury to RG3.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1029147]MS was okay with this idea until someone on his staff (I don't know who, they did not make any suggestions), asked him what would he do if they were undefeated or Kirk Cousins was putting up elite numbers.

At that point MS must have known that was only going to cause a controversy, so he decided against it. If Cousins were to start now, and we win, it would be a full controversy, and Mike is wise enough to stay away from it.[/quote]Undefeated at 4-0? Cousins putting up elite numbers?

[IMG]http://www.somegif.com/gifs/13613451651248535655.GIF[/IMG]

Actually I'd expect best case scenario we do go 3-1, Cousins looks great like he did against Cleveland. If RG3 isn't 100%, let Cousins start longer. After last season nobody is still starting Cousins over a healthy RG3. So what's the problem?

More realistically, we go 1-2 or 2-1. We don't risk further injury to RG3. We aren't talking now about tanking the season, just getting to 2-2 or 3-1 til we can get RG3 back.

I know you're smarter than that "controversy" thinking SS, just laughing at the idea put out there that Shanny would be against Cousins emerging as a bona-fide starting QB, or us going undefeated. Nobody could be that stupid.

Imagines Belichick thinking "Damn better hold back playcalling with this 6th rounder Brady, can't make a controversy with him and Bledsoe". Or Vermiel thinking "All this winning with Warner is so bad! What we will do when Trent Green comes back?" I don't think it would happen, but seriously if Cousins suddenly became the next Tom Brady, what the hell would be our problem?

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1029147]I didn't make the rumor up, it was actually talked about in one of the other threads. It stated that the original plan was that RG3 would set out until after the bye, to give his knee extra time to heal.

MS was okay with this idea until someone on his staff (I don't know who, they did not make any suggestions), asked him what would he do if they were undefeated or Kirk Cousins was putting up elite numbers.

At that point MS must have known that was only going to cause a controversy, so he decided against it. If Cousins were to start now, and we win, it would be a full controversy, and Mike is wise enough to stay away from it.

The season may be lost so he may figure on just calling easy plays and such as to not risk further injury to RG3.[/quote]

I'm gonna guess you're talking about Howard Eskins' report. A) Dr. Andrews' never said to sit him until after the bye week and B) That Cousins stuff is also untrue

But, believe what you want

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1029147]MS was okay with this idea until someone on his staff (I don't know who, they did not make any suggestions), asked him what would he do if they were undefeated or Kirk Cousins was putting up elite numbers.[/quote]

That would be the very definition of a good problem. No way KC puts up the HOF numbers it would take to convince anyone to sit RGIII. And no way MS makes the decision in that way. That's just a wackadoodle theory.