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Tonight, I just don't understand why people are bitching about the defense. What did Dez Bryant do? How many yards did Dallas have? To me the defense is getting better and the offense is getting worse.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1032700]Tonight, I just don't understand why people are bitching about the defense. What did Dez Bryant do? How many yards did Dallas have? To me the defense is getting better and the offense is getting worse.[/quote]This is true, but its also an observation based entirely on one game. And Haslett usually throttles Dallas' offense. That's never been the issue.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1032697]It's mostly because he's terrible.

Which you should be very happy about, btw. We are all happy Jason Garrett is still your coach. It's kind of like that.[/quote]

I'm just thinking about what he was left with after Zorn and Cerrato. And what he has done with that with such limited resources. Not saying he is Lombardi reborn, but I just think it's a little early to be calling for his head.

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[quote=punch it in;1032692]Well i would argue that wins and losses are pretty important. Lol. What is it about him outside of his coaching record that makes you more open minded to giving him the job?[/quote]

1.) Plenty of HCs have losing records their first go around and have better luck on their 2nd chance

2.) Stingy ownership in Tampa hurt him

3) A rookie GM and a rookie HC forced to let a lot of veteran leadership go hurt him in Tampa

4) Like I said, I think he deserves a 2nd chance. Just not sure it should be here. This is not an easy place to be a HC

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1032702]I'm just thinking about what he was left with after Zorn and Cerrato. And what he has done with that with such limited resources. Not saying he is Lombardi reborn, but I just think it's a little early to be calling for his head.[/quote]You're right, the personnel reinforcements will be coming by horse and buggy any day now. According to the telegram received last month.

The roster Shanahan turns over to the next coach isn't going to be any different than the one he received from the previous admin. It's still going to be old and somewhat talent deficient. Whoever takes over is going to need to get to work ASAP developing Robert Griffin into a top flight passer. He's still crazy young, but won't be forever.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1032700]Tonight, I just don't understand why people are bitching about the defense. What did Dez Bryant do? How many yards did Dallas have? To me the defense is getting better and the offense is getting worse.[/quote]

It's that some ppl think the defense has a lot of talent, not elite but definitely top 10 worthy. I'd love to see what Wade Philips, Rob Ryan, or Gregg Williams could do with this roster.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1032700]Tonight, I just don't understand why people are bitching about the defense. What did Dez Bryant do? How many yards did Dallas have? To me the defense is getting better and the offense is getting worse.[/quote]

They can't tackle for one thing.

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O-Line is the worst in the NFL!!!! if we had a top 15 )-Line we would be at the top of the NFC East! We all knew this last season and this offseason but we did NOTHING

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[quote=skinsfan69;1032700]Tonight, I just don't understand why people are bitching about the defense. What did Dez Bryant do? How many yards did Dallas have? To me the defense is getting better and the offense is getting worse.[/quote]

Some people are on auto b*tching I guess.

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;1032704]1.) Plenty of HCs have losing records their first go around and have better luck on their 2nd chance

2.) Stingy ownership in Tampa hurt him

3) A rookie GM and a rookie HC forced to let a lot of veteran leadership go hurt him in Tampa

4) Like I said, I think he deserves a 2nd chance. Just not sure it should be here. This is not an easy place to be a HC[/QUOTE]

Yeah all valid arguments, and I know he did not have alot to work with in Tampa. If the players respect him than maybe it would be a good move. I guess after watching this team take the field again I just want to move completely away from anyone and everyone currently employed on this staff. Uggh.

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[quote=punch it in;1032692]Well i would argue that wins and losses are pretty important. Lol. What is it about him outside of his coaching record that makes you more open minded to giving him the job?[/quote]

Bill Bellichik and Pete Carroll were both given second chances. Their first stints were horrible disasters.

[QUOTE=The Goat;1032707]It's that some ppl think the defense has a lot of talent, not elite but definitely top 10 worthy. I'd love to see what Wade Philips, Rob Ryan, or Gregg Williams could do with this roster.[/QUOTE]
Do you think this team has top ten talent?

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[quote=punch it in;1032714]Do you think this team has top ten talent?[/quote]

Only at LT, FB, NT, but a vehicle is only as good as who is guiding it. Most gets are lost on the sidelines. Last season most games were won with the QB until the sidelines couldn't convey to him to stay protected. The read option is a joke. Nothing compares or adds longevity to success than a ocket QB. Why are we playing NCAA ball in the nfl ??????

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Oh, I love these threads lol.

Just going to cliff note it.

-RG3 can't run an NFL type offense
-D. Hall is good
-D. Hall is bad
-Cowboys suck to, we suck worse
-Mike needs to be fired
-Kyle needs to be fired
-special Teams suck
-Mike needs more time
-Kyle doesn't like Mike
-Morris needs to be our HC for his next stint
-Our defense has the talent, just not the coaching
-Fletcher sucks because he's to old
-We can't beat the Giants.
-Etc

Personally, I think we are just playing to our potential at the moment. Games can swing in many different directions. Kai missed another one tonight, and our special teams let us down. A lot of big plays were missed, and allowed.

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I think the $36 million penalty is a huge thing. That money would have made a big difference on the O-line and D-secondary.

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We will be 5-5 going in to SF.

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[quote=Hijinx;1032725]I think the $36 million penalty is a huge thing. That money would have made a big difference on the O-line and D-secondary.[/quote]Sean Taylor passing away was a pretty huge thing too, as long as we're citing things that could have been different.

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[quote=punch it in;1032714]Do you think this team has top ten talent?[/quote]

Boarder line, with the oline putting us on the bubble. Defensively I think our front 7 personnel are solid top ten with a great defensive mind coaching them and Brandon Merriweather was a probowler not too long ago and if finally healthy. Offensively, I think our QB, RBs, TEs, WRs all have top ten potential with the right coach on the sidelines. Oline could be better too though maybe just above avg today, but top ten within a year. BA and Shanahan have done a solid job building the roster IMO.

[QUOTE=The Goat;1032730]Boarder line, with the oline putting us on the bubble. Defensively I think our front 7 personnel are solid top ten with a great defensive mind coaching them and Brandon Merriweather was a probowler not too long ago and if finally healthy. Offensively, I think our QB, RBs, TEs, WRs all have top ten potential with the right coach on the sidelines. Oline could be better too though maybe just above avg today, but top ten within a year. BA and Shanahan have done a solid job building the roster IMO.[/QUOTE]

I just meant on defense as per your post. I do not think we are a top ten talent on defense....at all.

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To be fair, you can add Bill Belichick and Lovie Smith to the list of coaches who can't get a decent season out of Brandon Meriweather.

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[quote=The Goat;1032730]Boarder line, with the oline putting us on the bubble. Defensively I think our front 7 personnel are solid top ten with a great defensive mind coaching them and Brandon Merriweather was a probowler not too long ago and if finally healthy. Offensively, I think our QB, RBs, TEs, WRs all have top ten potential with the right coach on the sidelines. Oline could be better too though maybe just above avg today, but top ten within a year. BA and Shanahan have done a solid job building the roster IMO.[/quote]

To get Shanny out of here as quick as possible, you went from Pierre is horrible, Morgan is horrible, Aldrick Robinson is horrible, our O-line is horrible, and Shanny doesnt know how to build a team to they are all top 10 but coached bad. Its getting hard to keep track of all of your opinions, other than an oilman friend in Denver says Shanny is a bad coach. Thats one that has remained a constant.

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This is a fairly insufferable thread, and the only people posting in it agree with me.

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[quote=Skinzman;1032737]To get Shanny out of here as quick as possible, you went from Pierre is horrible, Morgan is horrible, Aldrick Robinson is horrible, our O-line is horrible, and Shanny doesnt know how to build a team to they are all top 10 but coached bad. Its getting hard to keep track of all of your opinions, other than an oilman friend in Denver says Shanny is a bad coach. Thats one that has remained a constant.[/quote]

Peter Boy's contract is horrible. He's paid like a #1 wr and isn't by any stretch of the imagination. Hank and Moss are badly misused and underused. Altogether it's a solid group and could be very similar to the Saints' wr corp for instance, which is top ten.

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Carr totally and completely shutting down Peter Boy is evidence he's not a #1 wr.

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[quote=The Goat;1032740]Carr totally and completely shutting down Peter Boy is evidence he's not a #1 wr.[/quote]

Carr didnt totally shut him down. RG3 could have completed plenty to him tonight but was full of bad throws. Plenty of times, Carr undercut him and challenged RG3 to go over the top, but RG3 couldnt do it. Several times Pierre had a couple of yards on him, thats considered open in the NFL. The 4th quarter alone, he could have had 50-75 yards if RG3 could of gotten him the ball. You cant blame him when the QB had such an off night. You are just to busy listening to people call the game who are in love with the Cowboys claiming that since he didnt have a ton of catches, that he was shut down. You are relying on Collinsworth for your opinion. He is on pace for 100 catches and like 1300 yards for the year, which is comparable to a lot of 1's.

His contract isnt really all that bad. The overall annual salaries may be a bit high, but his guaranteed money is not bad (Approximately 30% guaranteed, some go in the 40's or even as high as 50%). Mike Wallace is a bad contract for a WR. We can get out of his contract next year and end up saving 3 mil against the cap after just 2 years of the 5 year contract.

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It could be his 1st season to break 1000. But I doubt it. He typically has several "quiet" games over the season and loses pace with that 1000+ target.

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[quote=The Goat;1032742]It could be his 1st season to break 1000. But I doubt it. He typically has several "quiet" games over the season and loses pace with that 1000+ target.[/quote]

So you are judging him by games that havent happened?

In Indy, he was used as an Aldrick Robinson, to threaten the safeties deep except occasionally. Peyton had Reggie Wayne to be his main target, and used TE's and RB's for underneath stuff. Garcons targets with Peyton were pretty low because Peyton likes to get the ball out quick and he rarely ran shorter routes. He got targeted to keep the safeties deep when they cheated up. His quiet games had more to do with how he was targeted.

His best year so far was with Curtis Painter as his QB. He was allowed to run shorter routes due to having a pretty bad QB and got targeted more because of that. His stats were basically the same as Reggie Wayne that year.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1032728]Sean Taylor passing away was a pretty huge thing too, as long as we're citing things that could have been different.[/quote]
I was telling some friends prior to the game ,what you pointed out . If # 21 were playing FS , our secondary would be much better . We have been snake - bitten at FS and CB the past 6 years. maybe Im wrong ... but I think a pro bowl type OL Men and PB DB and we would be in the playoff picture next year . Adding a D-Lineman and WR would also help . Special teams and OL cost us tonight .

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Well, I don´t think ST should be in any equasion by now. You could have argued with it for 1, maybe 2 years. But 6 years... sorry, there is too big a chance for injury or even a trade in the NFL to count on him still playing here.

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[QUOTE=Skinzman;1032741]Carr didnt totally shut him down. RG3 could have completed plenty to him tonight but was full of bad throws. Plenty of times, Carr undercut him and challenged RG3 to go over the top, but RG3 couldnt do it. Several times Pierre had a couple of yards on him, thats considered open in the NFL. The 4th quarter alone, he could have had 50-75 yards if RG3 could of gotten him the ball. You cant blame him when the QB had such an off night. You are just to busy listening to people call the game who are in love with the Cowboys claiming that since he didnt have a ton of catches, that he was shut down. You are relying on Collinsworth for your opinion. He is on pace for 100 catches and like 1300 yards for the year, which is comparable to a lot of 1's.

His contract isnt really all that bad. The overall annual salaries may be a bit high, but his guaranteed money is not bad (Approximately 30% guaranteed, some go in the 40's or even as high as 50%). Mike Wallace is a bad contract for a WR. We can get out of his contract next year and end up saving 3 mil against the cap after just 2 years of the 5 year contract.[/QUOTE]

For the most part Carr absolutely shut him down. Griff threw several balls rite on the money to pierre but carr had him covered like a glove. I dont care who was calling the game.

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The bad:

1. O-Line- Everyone on the Oline with the exception of Silverblunt made multiple mistakes. Thought the Oline had there worst game. D Young and Helu also were pretty poor on blocking and blitz pick ups. Chester, Monty and Kory L especially were poor. I cant believe we've made multiple G and T picks and outside of Silver back, all of have busted and cant make the starting line up.

2. Special Teams - is it Burns who Shanny personally hired to run Teams? We know Teams has been worse this season than any other and its falls all on this terrible decision to hire this f*cking piece of shit with no previous coaching experience. Fire this bitch now. He ultimately cost us the game.

3. Griff's ball security that everyone seems to ignore. He fumbles folks, alot

4. Penalties are never gonna get fixed, and thats entirely on Shanny

The good:

1. Defense maybe had their best game of the season. It was ruined by Kyle and the special teams unit

2. Griff threw the ball and ran great. I really though RG3 looked back to normal. [I][U]I'm starting to believe Kyle cant coach RG3...I just dont think he trust him or handles him well. Its a trust issue imo.[/U][/I]

3. Thought Alfmo and Reed looked solid.

4. Im going 5 - 0 in my fantasy leagues this weekend, i really dominated.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1032661]Bottom line is we need better QB play. Everyone can bitch and moan about everything but if we had better QB play we're a 500 team. The season is not lost but it's time for Cousins. I've seen enough of RG3's inaccurate passes, his jittery pocket presence, the one read and try and make shit happen. We can not win with this type of offense. What my eyes tell me is RG3 is simply not ready to be a pro QB. And please....no one show me bullshit stats.[/quote]

RG3 has played poorly. We took a running QB and are trying to make a pocket passer out of him and trading away 3 first round selections to do it. Cousins is a much better fit as a pocket passer. Much better accuracy but he would struggle with this OL as well. Besides LT we could blow up that line and get 4 new ones with no loss what so ever.

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12 games left and everyone deep down knows there ain't no 7 game run coming this year. But we can get through this together. Sorry Shannys but I'm all out of love.

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRakSkwBryY]I'M ALL OUT OF LOVE - AIR SUPPLY - YouTube[/url]

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Just very disappointing to watch this team this season. I didn't really believe we would be a great team but 9-7 I thought was a sure bet and there is no chance we even win 8 games

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We will go on an 8-3 run, finish 9-7, sneak into the playoffs, and make it to the NFC championship game.

Like a constipated logger taking laxatives, we've just been getting the poop out of us before we go to work.

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I hope so

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[B][U][SIZE="4"]Good:[/SIZE][/U][/B]

1) [B]Defense[/B] played a good game minus the first drive. Held Cowboys in check for most of the night. Big props to D-hall for showing up and playing his ass off.

2) [B]RGIII[/B] - showed some progress in the first half in the pocket. Slide well and made clean passes and good decisions.


[B][U][SIZE="4"]Bad:[/SIZE][/U][/B]

1) [B]Offensive Line:[/B] Dear god what a hot mess this crew has turned out to be. If you keep up with HTTR and his film break down, he's reiterated a few times that the RO hid the flaws within this OL. I'm not even going to go on a rant about LeRebust and that wasted pick.

2) [B]RGIII:[/B] not sure what he's thinking back there, but some of his passes were off in the 2nd half, and his internal clock must be broken. You can't hold onto the ball for as long as he did a few times and expect anything good to happen. His ball security is horrible.

3) [B]WRs:[/B] Beyond Garcon and Reed, most of our guys are garbage. SIX MILLION FOR JOSH "WHERE THE **** ARE YOU" MORGAN??? A automatic cut come the end of this season.

4) [B]Coaches:[/B] Jim Haslett was the only one that earned his pay yesterday as Kyle, Mike and Keith Burns did a horrible job yesterday. It seems time and time again, our offense will do well, and then we completely go away from what was working only to stall. Not using personnel effectively also showed on that RB pass to Morris out of the backfield (which he dropped). Where is Helu and why isn't he being used? If the OL isn't blocking, I'd rather have Helu back there.

5) [B]Not so Special Teams[/B]- I admit I was very wrong about Danny Smith. This group is terrible.




TLDR version:

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Sad day when HC, OC, ST all need to be fired. This team could have been 1-4 or even better with Kirk. Is RG3 over hyped or did shanahan just ruin the only chance to win?
What idiot takes a Ferrari off roading?

I'm stripping shanahan of president authority and if that's not possible, fire him and junior. What a dumbass for drafting Kirk and not using him last season to finish the regular season- would have tested Robert and we would have won a Super Bowl, and what an idiot for not starting or playing Kirk weeks 1-4.

Shanahan can't even go into a tanning bed w/o being burnt to a crisp, and he has burned our franchise and brought in junior. The nfl shouldn't be bring your son to work day.

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Man, do we wish we still had Lorenzo Alexander. That $18 million penalty is till hurting us.

Also, is it just me? Or do the rest of you wonder why all of our kick off return guys want to bring it out from 8 yards deep only to get to the 13 yard line???????

Isn't there an unwritten rule that if you are more than 3 or 4 yards deep you take a knee?

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When it's all 3 aspects of the team that are bad that goes to Coaching period.