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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;1044668]Is this educated speculation on your part or more than that. I hope you're wrong, Gruden would be another 4-5 year disaster and would ensure RG3 is done in DC after next year.[/quote]

I mean it's way too early for this, but if we get to that point I know that Gruden will be high on the list

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1044669]Cousins will never play ever again in a Redskins uniform.

The Redskins mortgaged their future for a VERY long time to get RG3. they are stuck with him for lack of a better term.

That means no matter how many new coaches, no matter how many games he loses, it doesn't matter. With all they gave up, RG3's job is safe for the next 5 years or longer...[/quote]

Yeah if we get a new coach I think the first thing he may want to do is trade Cousins

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[quote=SmootSmack;1044671]Yeah if we get a new coach I think the first thing he may want to do is trade Cousins[/quote]Cousins won't be traded until after next year. A decent back-up QB for approx. $ 600K / yr. is a steal.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1044670]I mean it's way too early for this, but if we get to that point I know that Gruden will be high on the list[/quote]I wouldn't say it's too early, we've got 3 wins and 2 w/NYG, DAL, ATL (in ATL), and KC, for the sake of argument let's say we go 3-2 (I think we'll be lucky to go 2-3, likely 1-4). So if we finish 6-10, do you believe Shanny stays? If so, it'll be another long year in 2014 and bye-bye RG3.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;1044673]I wouldn't say it's too early, we've got 3 wins and 2 w/NYG, DAL, ATL (in ATL), and KC, for the sake of argument let's say we go 3-2 (I think we'll be lucky to go 2-3, likely 1-4). So if we finish 6-10, do you believe Shanny stays? If so, it'll be another long year in 2014 and bye-bye RG3.[/quote]

I mean it's way too early to really know the likelihood of who stays who goes

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;1044673]I wouldn't say it's too early, we've got 3 wins and 2 w/NYG, DAL, ATL (in ATL), and KC, for the sake of argument let's say we go 3-2 (I think we'll be lucky to go 2-3, likely 1-4). So if we finish 6-10, do you believe Shanny stays? If so, it'll be another long year in 2014 and bye-bye RG3.[/quote]

Sounds very logical.

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I'm no expert but i would think unless somehow Shanhan finishes 8 and 8, he is gone after the season....

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Would there be a chance of MS staying and both KS and JH leaving?

Let me be a little clearer, is there a chance they could both be fired?

[QUOTE=artmonkforhallofamein07;1044689]Would there be a chance of MS staying and both KS and JH leaving?

Let me be a little clearer, is there a chance they could both be fired?[/QUOTE]

I.doubt it

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;1044689]Would there be a chance of MS staying and both KS and JH leaving?

Let me be a little clearer, is there a chance they could both be fired?[/quote]

Shanny and Kyle package deal IMO. Kyle would have to leave on his own. But honestly when I sit back and look at the situation, changing special teams coach and the D coordinator seem to be more of the problem.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1044693]Shanny and Kyle package deal IMO. Kyle would have to leave on his own. But honestly when I sit back and look at the situation, [B]changing special teams coach and the D coordinator seem to be more of the problem.[[/B]/QUOTE]

I agree. Getting a real defensive coordinator will go along way. The special teams might be a combination of personnel and coaching. Our FO really f-ed the special teams this last offseason.

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you dont fkn start cousins. everyones lost theyre mind. let griffin endure what hes created for himself its about growth and development. let him develop! hes a playoff qb, oroy. gimme a break.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1044692]I.doubt it[/quote]

It would seem highly unlikely, but it was worth asking the question. I would hope that regardless of what happens in the remaining weeks that both Has and Burns will be unemployed by the second week of Jan.

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im dreading the kc game. the offense is gonna get smacked. reids seen rg in his young career twice already but now he has the defense to stop us and were in the midst of hell.

[QUOTE=Chico23231;1044693]Shanny and Kyle package deal IMO. Kyle would have to leave on his own. But honestly when I sit back and look at the situation, changing special teams coach and the D coordinator seem to be more of the problem.[/QUOTE]







[QUOTE=Defensewins;1044694][QUOTE=Chico23231;1044693]Shanny and Kyle package deal IMO. Kyle would have to leave on his own. But honestly when I sit back and look at the situation, [B]changing special teams coach and the D coordinator seem to be more of the problem.[[/B]/QUOTE]

I agree. Getting a real defensive coordinator will go along way. The special teams might be a combination of personnel and coaching. Our FO really f-ed the special teams this last offseason.[/QUOTE]

I agree too!

I may be in the minority here, but honestly I don't have a problem with Kyle Shanahan.

I agree that the problem is the defensive coordinator and the special teams coaches. Jim Haslet has to go period!

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[quote=Skins4L;1044697]im dreading the kc game. the offense is gonna get smacked. reids seen rg in his young career twice already but now he has the defense to stop us and were in the midst of hell.[/quote]

I got that one in the win column. Fuck andy Reid and fuck the chiefs

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[quote=Chico23231;1044702]I got that one in the win column.[B] Fuck andy Reid and fuck the chiefs[/B][/quote]
You've....always been my favorite

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[quote=Chico23231;1044702]I got that one in the win column. Fuck andy Reid and fuck the chiefs[/quote]

i hope your right.

usually im positive paul over here so i could see us winning now lol

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Since Mike Shanahan has already stated that he is going to play all of his starters for the rest of the season and try to win every game, I don't even fully understand why Jon Gruden needed to comment on playing Cousins. The issue is moot.

As for the prospect of Jon Gruden as our next Head Coach, I'm for it. You've got to admit that he is cute and entertaining. With that blond hair, he reminds me of my little four year old grandson. And that Chucky act of his on the sideline is just adorable. Plus, he says so many amusing things during press conferences. Makes me want to tousle his hair and tweak his sweet little cheeky.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;1044673]I wouldn't say it's too early, we've got 3 wins and 2 w/NYG, DAL, ATL (in ATL), and KC, for the sake of argument let's say we go 3-2 (I think we'll be lucky to go 2-3, likely 1-4). So if we finish 6-10, do you believe Shanny stays? If so, it'll be another long year in 2014 and bye-bye RG3.[/quote]

Sky...falling.. So to sum it up, if we finish 6-10 this year, then next year will be disastrous and as a result it will be the final year RG3 is a Redskin. Um, ok.

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So, if RG3 shits the bed the first 3 quarters, and we are down 21+ points, we SHOULDN'T put in our more than capable backup? Its just a frikkin game, of course you do. If RG3 isn't performing up to snuff, then put his backup in to light a fire under his ass. All this "don't hurt his confidence, he needs the reps" shit is ridiculous. How many reps does it take for him to push out his bowel movement of a play? If he isn't feeling it any given night, then put Cousins in, thats what he is there for. If he performs good, GREAT, increases his trade value, or increases prospects to be our starter in the eve nt of RG3 consistently shitting the bed or an injury.. If he is average, GREAT, he's our backup. If he does horribly, GREAT, he's a backup, and no controversy.

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[quote=Mechanix544;1044737]So, if RG3 shits the bed the first 3 quarters, and we are down 21+ points, we SHOULDN'T put in our [B]more than capable backup[/B]? Its just a frikkin game, of course you do. If RG3 isn't performing up to snuff, then put his backup in to light a fire under his ass. All this "don't hurt his confidence, he needs the reps" shit is ridiculous. How many reps does it take for him to push out his bowel movement of a play? If he isn't feeling it any given night, then put Cousins in, thats what he is there for. If he performs good, GREAT, increases his trade value, or increases prospects to be our starter in the eve nt of RG3 consistently shitting the bed or an injury.. If he is average, GREAT, he's our backup. If he does horribly, GREAT, he's a backup, and no controversy.[/quote]

Be prepared to defend this statement. People are going to shred it.

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[quote=Paintrain;1044732]Sky...falling.. So to sum it up, if we finish 6-10 this year, then next year will be disastrous and as a result it will be the final year RG3 is a Redskin. Um, ok.[/quote]Got nothing to do with just record, I don't believe RG3 will want to stay in this circus-like environment with a completely disjointed offensive philosophy. He (or his agent) will make clear to the Skins he won't resign at the end of his 4th year, hence the Skins will trade him after next year to get as much value as they can rather than lose him and get nothing in return.

If you want to believe everything is A-OK with the coaching staff and the Redskins dismal performance is totally unrelated to coaching...Um, ok.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;1044745]Got nothing to do with just record, I don't believe RG3 will want to stay in this circus-like environment with a completely disjointed offensive philosophy. He (or his agent) will make clear to the Skins he won't resign at the end of his 4th year, hence the Skins will trade him after next year to get as much value as they can rather than lose him and get nothing in return.

If you want to believe everything is A-OK with the coaching staff and the Redskins dismal performance is totally unrelated to coaching...Um, ok.[/quote]

Nah, that's not what I said but you made a ton of assumptions and conclusions. Maybe I was unclear on what you were saying since you referenced the record in your original post. IF Shanny stays RG3 will want out after next year or if we make a change he will want out after next year? Which scenario do you predict disaster?

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One thing I don't like seeing alot is the attitude that the redskins need to keep in RG3 no matter what, no matter how bad he plays, etc... because they don't want to hurt his confidence or his feelings, whatever..

The same people were bashing Shanahan last year for keeping RG3 in there when he knew he wasn't right. Now the playoffs are out of reach, Shanahan says he is keeping RG3 in there, in these meaningless games.. What happens if he gets hurt in a meaningless game?

Then there is that article on NFL.com about how RG3 said that he was targeting the opening season game because he was worried about Kirk Cousins and worried about his job security.

That's exactly what we don't need in DC, another guy who is paranoid and can't handle competition. Reminds me an awful lot of Donovan McNabb, who asked Andy Reid to not re-sign Jeff Garcia after Garcia had a monster year in 2006... The more and more I hear about RG3 the more i am concerned about his attitude. Could be a problem waiting to happen....

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I agree. If the coach thinks he can win with someone else then so be it. I do not imagine there will be a QB more talented than RG3 though, but the coach should still be on control and all he has to do is provide results, regardless of method (within the rules of course).

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At 3-9 I don't see how evaluating for next year involves taking much needed snaps away from your 2nd yr QB.

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[quote=Mattyk;1045283]At 3-9 I don't see how evaluating for next year involves taking much needed snaps away from your 2nd yr QB.[/quote]Battling through this adversity will be good for Robert in the long run. His development as a passer is more important. Defenses are taking away the deep shots off play action, so we need to evolve with more traditional WCO principles that spread the defense horizontally, and get the ball out of the QBs hand quickly and in rhythm.

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Griffin missed TC and preseason and it has had a big effect on him. Last night he finally seems to be back to his normal accurate self as a passer and ran for almost 90 yards like it was nothing.

What he needs are reps and experience. Bench him now and all you do is set his development back even more than the injury has already done.

Stupid move.

Also, Cousins could come in and really struggle with this swiss cheese offensive line and there goes his trade value.

Griffin is not the only QB investment we're protecting.

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Benching Griffin is an idiotic thing to even consider. He needs these last four games under his belt.

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If this is how Gruden would handle our team, he can stay in the broadcast booth.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1045350]If this is how Gruden would handle our team, he can stay in the broadcast booth.[/quote]

Exactly! I don't want Jon Gruden anywhere near this team. It's a mistake to want him over Mike Shanahan.

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It's obvious that RG3 is solo out there, the fact that he hasn't thrown a bitch fit like Cutler Or Rivers is really great to see

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Well, lets say MShanahan and Company get canned after this season. D.Snyder picks another HC or lets the new GM pick the next HC.... I'd like to know that our new HC has the authority and availability to pick whichever QB fits best into his system. If it's RG3 then awesome, if it's Cousins then awesome. But I'd hate to see the new HC being forced to play RG3 just because he's RG3 or because we paid so much to get him and the team either benches the better player for the system or trades him away. < That would be disastrous.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1045363]It's obvious that RG3 is solo out there, the fact that he hasn't thrown a bitch fit like Cutler Or Rivers is really great to see[/quote]

Yeah he's definitely alone out there....

not running as fast as last year due to the knee brace
over throwing his WR's
throwing late and behind his WR's.
holding the ball too long.

all those issue's are on him no doubt about it. NOT saying there are not other issue's like dropped balls from the WR's or OL not blocking well enough.

I'm just afraid they might be trying to force a round peg into a square hole. It would be nice if we could mold the round peg to fit the square hole if need be.

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[quote=skinsguy;1045352]Exactly! I don't want Jon Gruden anywhere near this team. It's a mistake to want him over Mike Shanahan.[/quote]

Yep, mistake that he took the Raiders to a SB, then a mistake he went to a totally different team with a totally different QB and took them to a SB.

I preferred him over MS, but ... we got MS. I didn't complain, MS had a pretty good record also. The key is there really is no good answer. Look at Coughlin, making him a HC was questionable at best but he panned out for the Giants. Look at the Chiefs, everyone said Reid was washed up ( I would love to have had him), but his team is winning. Look at Denver, I never would have figured Jon Fox to fix his old looking antiquated system, but the Bronco's look good.

So I wouldn't completely pass on Gruden. Plus he's had a chance to see what teams around the league and what works and doesn't work.

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[quote=skinsguy;1045352]Exactly! I don't want Jon Gruden anywhere near this team. It's a mistake to want him over Mike Shanahan.[/quote]

Mike Shanahan should be fired. More importantly, he deserves to be fired. I'm not sure Gruden is the right guy for this job, that's for Snyder to figure out, but I do know we won't be running the triple option if he is the coach.

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[quote=SBXVII;1045437]Yep, mistake that he took the Raiders to a SB, then a mistake he went to a totally different team with a totally different QB and took them to a SB.

I preferred him over MS, but ... we got MS. I didn't complain, MS had a pretty good record also. The key is there really is no good answer. Look at Coughlin, making him a HC was questionable at best but he panned out for the Giants. Look at the Chiefs, everyone said Reid was washed up ( I would love to have had him), but his team is winning. Look at Denver, I never would have figured Jon Fox to fix his old looking antiquated system, but the Bronco's look good.

So I wouldn't completely pass on Gruden. Plus he's had a chance to see what teams around the league and what works and doesn't work.[/quote]

Gruden didn't take the Raiders to the Super Bowl.

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[quote=SBXVII;1045437]Yep, mistake that he took the Raiders to a SB, then a mistake he went to a totally different team with a totally different QB and took them to a SB.

I preferred him over MS, but ... we got MS. I didn't complain, MS had a pretty good record also. The key is there really is no good answer. Look at Coughlin, making him a HC was questionable at best but he panned out for the Giants. Look at the Chiefs, everyone said Reid was washed up ( I would love to have had him), but his team is winning. Look at Denver, I never would have figured Jon Fox to fix his old looking antiquated system, but the Bronco's look good.

So I wouldn't completely pass on Gruden. Plus he's had a chance to see what teams around the league and what works and doesn't work.[/quote]

When did Gruden take the Raiders to the Super Bowl?

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He didn't take Oakland to the SB but that was his team. That was his offense. He made Rich Gannon into a star. Made Brad Johnson into a SB QB. If I'm Dan Snyder, Jon Gruden is the first person that I'm getting on the phone. I think he's just what this team needs.