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The other Legion of Doom?

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[quote=FRPLG;1049970]Hit job..plain and simple.

Lost a lot of respect for Cole. He had done such meaningful and good work for Yahoo. This was a sh*t show story. Multiple reporters are getting out and out denials on almost all of it ON RECORD. From college coaches and team mates to current team mates.[/quote]

Co worker sent me that yesterday, i just sent him a emailed him back saying you know bleacher report is garbage?

Folks the media job is too build people up and tear them down. Bleacher Report is filled with scum and if everyone there went the way of Kim Jong Un's uncle, I wouldnt shed a tear. Oh maybe I would, tears of joy. Dont read or support bleacher report by clicking on that garbage.

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I ran out of doom images... So here's cthulu.

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[quote=Chico23231;1050012]Co worker sent me that yesterday, i just sent him a emailed him back saying you know bleacher report is garbage?

Folks the media job is too build people up and tear them down. Bleacher Report is filled with scum and if everyone there went the way of Kim Jong Un's uncle, I wouldnt shed a tear. Oh maybe I would, tears of joy. Dont read or support bleacher report by clicking on that garbage.[/quote]

Bleacher Report, to be accurate, has taken a sharp turn and hired some very qualified/experienced writers over the past couple of years who have years, if not decades, of reporting experience. Of course, they still have the amateurs populating the site.

Jason Cole is not one of those amateurs. Clearly he should have done a bit more digging, and his LaFleur error makes everyone think the whole article must be wrong. But I don't think his reporting was a lie so much as there are people associated with the team who were intent to feed him the lie...and that's the concerning part

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Ive listened to multiple radio interviews with Cole over the last couple years. Everytime he comes on he sounds more egotiscal becoming more in the mold of what I expect these days. But obviously he got what he wanted with the article. The article falls in line with what i expect from BR, very typical.

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[quote=Mattyk;1049984]Really embarrassing. Gotta feel for RG with all this baloney being put out there. I'm sure he'll shrug it off and use it for motivation, but this shit is just getting cruel.[/quote]

Sorry for RGIII. He brought this all on himself. If he listened to other to back away from the media and STFU none of this would be happening right now. I think he needed to be humbled a bit because he was getting to big for himself.

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[quote=firstdown;1050017]Sorry for RGIII. He brought this all on himself. If he listened to other to back away from the media and STFU none of this would be happening right now. I think he needed to be humbled a bit because he was getting to big for himself.[/quote]

Rg3 too uppity? Hmmm I guess that is more important than winning Super Bowls.

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[quote=firstdown;1050017]Sorry for RGIII. He brought this all on himself. If he listened to other to back away from the media and STFU none of this would be happening right now. I think he needed to be humbled a bit because he was getting to big for himself.[/quote]

Isn't benching him enough? All these BS leaks to slander his name are just uncalled for.

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[quote=Mattyk;1050042]Isn't benching him enough? All these BS leaks to slander his name are just uncalled for.[/quote]

Its only slander if its not true.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1050055]Its only slander if its not true.[/quote]

Don't tell me you're buying this obvious smear campaign.

Always question anonymous sources.

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[quote=Mattyk;1050057]Don't tell me you're buying this obvious smear campaign.

Always question anonymous sources.[/quote]

An anonymous source close to the team tells me that Matty is correct.

[QUOTE=Lotus;1050075]An anonymous source close to the team tells me that Matty is correct.[/QUOTE]

This was just confirmed by an anonymous source who allegedly is very anonymous.

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I would say yes, it's doom, but hasn't it been that way for two decades now basically? I mean it's the Redskins, this organization is no longer synonymous with winning, integrity, hard work and honor. Quite the opposite. Money, marketing, arrogance, stupidity, drama...can go on and on.

The franchise is doomed and it's not going to get better anytime soon. The arrogance and stupidity starts at the top of course, then throw in a dysfunctional relationship with a has-been head coach (one playoff win in fourteen seasons) his coordinator son that hasn't done anything except tick off everybody in the organization. A young, arrogant QB who wants everything his own way and can't handle adversity. Multiple players that are just picking up paychecks and could care less if they're there or not next season. Again, could go on for a while with this.

Nothing is going to change anytime soon, not under this owner and not if any of the current coaches are brought back. The fans are ticked off and not going to the games. (Watch how many Dallas fans will take over the stadium Sunday) TV ratings are in the dumps. The coaching situation is a comical mess and there is a soap opera drama going on with the owner/coach/star QB. Trades? Free agents? Salary cap? Anyone who thinks the dozen-plus holes on this team are going to be filled this offseason is still chugging the kool-aid.

I mean when has this franchise drafted well or spent money well? Sure there are some occasional hits but 90% of this teams "building" over the last 20 years have been a colossal misfire. People think 18 million will fix this mess? There are teams out there that will have 30, 40 50 million to spend, plus a full slate of draft picks. Teams that are a lot closer to contending than this train wreck. Why do people think good players are going to rush to jump on this dumpster fire?

Doomed is right, but it's really been that way a long time. It's just gone from sad to comically embarrassing, especially for a franchise with the tradition and history this one has. Can anyone see this happening in New York, Chicago, Green Bay, etc?

Sad.

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I doubt that all the things being put out about RG3 are all false. Some of this stuff is true. I don't feel sorry for him at all because it's life as a NFL QB. He's a bit of a diva and it's leaking out. With the attention he gets, if he didn't back it up on the field then this is what happens. Not a huge deal as many QB's are self centered. He needs to cool it a bit w/ being a media whore, which I think he will. He's a smart kid. He's been humbled enough.

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[quote=Mattyk;1050057]Don't tell me you're buying this obvious smear campaign.

Always question anonymous sources.[/quote]

Don't tell me that everything that's being put out is a lie either.

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[quote=RFKRat;1050305]<snip>Multiple players that are just picking up paychecks and could care less* if they're there or not next season.<snip>[/quote]

*couldn't care less

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LOL. I read it.

#1- I agree with you 100%. Even believe DS has a major roll in all this.
#2- I too agree we fans put too much stock in RG3 to call him the "Franchise" QB.
#3- I too agree that the only consistent issue through these yrs has been DS.
#4- I think we fans have had too many losing yrs, and dissect everything this team does. HC, Coaching, Players, Scheme, OC, DC, GM, etc. etc.
#5- I think MS will be back, maybe due to cost. However, I think the Cousins experiment
is all about MS showing DS/Allen that its not his scheme and that he can win with Cousins. In order to save his job for one more year.
#6- A major change will need to be made at DC and Special Teams.
#7- With a better DC and scheme to limit other teams from scoring, better Special Teams to keep teams inside the 20, and this scoring machine of an offense (LOL) I think this team could be right back in the play offs next season. < with some added player personnel.

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[quote=SBXVII;1050325]LOL. I read it.

#1- I agree with you 100%. Even believe DS has a major roll in all this.
#2- I too agree we fans put too much stock in RG3 to call him the "Franchise" QB.
#3- I too agree that the only consistent issue through these yrs has been DS.
#4- I think we fans have had too many losing yrs, and dissect everything this team does. HC, Coaching, Players, Scheme, OC, DC, GM, etc. etc.
#5- I think MS will be back, maybe due to cost. However, I think the Cousins experiment
is all about MS showing DS/Allen that its not his scheme and that he can win with Cousins. In order to save his job for one more year.
#6- A major change will need to be made at DC and Special Teams.
#7- With a better DC and scheme to limit other teams from scoring, better Special Teams to keep teams inside the 20, and this scoring machine of an offense (LOL) I think this team could be right back in the play offs next season. < with some added player personnel.[/quote]

I concur with your sentiment.

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[quote=Mattyk;1050042]Isn't benching him enough? All these BS leaks to slander his name are just uncalled for.[/quote]

I agree the slander stuff is not right but by him putting himself out in the media I feel made him a target for this type of stuff. You don't Luck in the media very often and with all his success you really don't see much of Wilson.

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[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1894502-teammate-on-rgiii-i-dont-think-hes-changed-since-the-first-time-i-met-him]Teammate on RGIII: 'I Don't Think He's Changed Since the First Time I Met Him' | Bleacher Report[/url]

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I loved almost all the media coverage we got last season. What a difference losing makes.

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we never have enough TALENT at once. A recovering mentally and physically rg3 or a sharp and ready cousins cant do enough. its always something we need every year no balance ive yet to see that winning balance on the roster going into seasons. Address all of our needs and retain who we need to.

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what dont understand our secondary is swiss cheese. rg rg rg. swiss cheese and your talkinh like snyder plays zone out there too.

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[quote=Skins4L;1050464]we never have enough TALENT at once. A recovering mentally and physically rg3 or a sharp and ready cousins cant do enough. its always something we need every year no balance ive yet to see that winning balance on the roster going into seasons. Address all of our needs and retain who we need to.[/quote]

You just described 90% of the teams in the league. There are a couple "well-balanced" teams, but even many of the so called "really good" teams are flawed. They can compensate for those flaws by being exceptional in one area of the game, such as Defense or QB play. Skins are a perfect example. 21 of 22 returning starters, same coaching staff, same management, yet 3 wins vs. 10.

They can easily add enough starters between free agency and the draft to be competitive. It will just come down to the play of the QB. Period.

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[quote=44Deezel;1050466]You just described 90% of the teams in the league. There are a couple "well-balanced" teams, but even many of the so called "really good" teams are flawed. They can compensate for those flaws by being exceptional in one area of the game, such as Defense or QB play. Skins are a perfect example. 21 of 22 returning starters, same coaching staff, same management, yet 3 wins vs. 10.

They can easily add enough starters between free agency and the draft to be competitive. It will just come down to the play of the QB. Period.[/quote]

its so much more than the qb for us we have two capable guys. we really need to focus on other key areas.

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[quote=Skins4L;1050464]we never have enough TALENT at once. [/quote]

This is directly a result of short term thinking over and over throwing away draft picks thinking they can "win now"with just one more big name on the roster. This has been happening since Snyder bought the team, and will continue until the he moves on or sells the team, or miraculously learns his lesson and REALLY hands over the controls to someone who is not a short term disaster (I'm not putting money on any of these happening). Look at Snyder's history, basically he's a walking disaster who lucked into a consulting business and then a NFL franchise after BANKRUPTING his father and himself multiple times on hair brained business schemes. Even his successful "consulting firm" was a hair brained scheme that got lucky in its timing. So basically we're here sitting in front of our TV's hoping this blind squirrel of an owner gets lucky again and accidentally makes enough good choices to overcome all the bad ones. He ALMOST got lucky with Gibb's 2.0 but sadly he felt the need to meddle (he can even screw up a good thing) and got Gibbs who is a a naturally humble man to start doubting his own system that had just worked and gotten them to the playoffs, so the idiot brought in Al Saunders because idiots who don't know what they're doing always want to bring in the most complicated mess they can find. It's what idiots do.

Honestly I don't see any light at the end of this tunnel, they will either have to get tremendously lucky and have their poor choices and lack of long term vision compensated for by happenstance and fluke chemistry or they will just continue to make franchise destroying choices like spending 4 first round picks on 1 player who doesn't have pocket presence, can't progress through his reads or look off his primary, and never once had to do any of those things in college.

When the Redskins main competition for RGIII was another historically terrible franchise that wasn't QUITE as interested in over spending to get him, IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A WARNING BELL to us all... Oh we're competing with the Browns!? We should have been like: Um... if the Browns want him we're probably making a mistake here... Remember how the Vikings suckered them into trading up ONE SPOT for Trent Richardson?

In fact make that your sign: if the Browns badly covet the same player you're trying to spend a historic amount of first round picks to get: there's your sign.

PS: I do not hate RGIII (I see this coming) he's a great kid with awesome skills, and is extremely likable. I just have little hope that he can learn instinctual things like pocket presence, self preservation, and how to slide, because no one I've ever heard of has learned these things. Without those things I have little hope that, he'll last long enough to learn the things he CAN learn (like progressing through reads and looking off safeties). Hope I'm wrong.... but I spent 3 or 4 years hoping I was wrong about Jason Campbell, and he's still doing exactly the same things that were wrong with his game in Cleveland to this day.

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[quote=Skins4L;1050491]its so much more than the qb for us we have two capable guys. we really need to focus on other key areas.[/quote]

Of course. They have $18mil more to spend plus the draft. All I was saying is that exceptional play from the QB position can mask other deficiencies. We saw that last year.

Every team has flaws and injuries can ruin any team's season. The cupboard is not bare. We have players that have shown they are capable of playing at a pro-bowl level - TW, Alfmo, Garçon, Kerrigan, Orakpo, RG3, Hall and even Jordan Reed. Amerson has shown some potential as a rookie. Riley Jr. and Rob Jackson have flashed at times.

It's not the end of the world. There will be plenty of opportunity to improve the roster in the off-season and with the right coach, a last place schedule and playing in the worst division in football, the Skins can be relevant again next year.

BUT, we could add 10 new quality starters and it won't matter in the grand scheme of things unless RG3 comes back strong. Hopefully, with a full off-season and a fully healed knee, he will.

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[quote=44Deezel;1051870]Of course. They have $18mil more to spend plus the draft. All I was saying is that exceptional play from the QB position can mask other deficiencies. We saw that last year.

Every team has flaws and injuries can ruin any team's season. The cupboard is not bare. We have players that have shown they are capable of playing at a pro-bowl level - TW, Alfmo, Garçon, Kerrigan, Orakpo, RG3, Hall and even Jordan Reed. Amerson has shown some potential as a rookie. Riley Jr. and Rob Jackson have flashed at times.

It's not the end of the world. There will be plenty of opportunity to improve the roster in the off-season and with the right coach, a last place schedule and playing in the worst division in football, the Skins can be relevant again next year.

BUT, we could add 10 new quality starters and it won't matter in the grand scheme of things unless RG3 comes back strong. Hopefully, with a full off-season and a fully healed knee, he will.[/quote]

I'd like to share your optimism, but his was an absolute disaster of a season, and Shanarat has poisoned the well as he is about to be fired.

There is only one chance for a quick turnaround and that is RG3 playing like 2012 ROY RG3, and not the 2013 post knee-injury RG3. If he can the make big plays like in 2012, the team will rebound, if not, then this will be an epic fiasco and set the franchise back for years.

Good grief, had a Norv Turner flashback, since I used the phrase big play, still remember those awful Turner post game interviews where he must have said big play 100 times. Typically in the context that the Skins were just a big play away from winning.

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[quote=DirtBagZ;1051871]I'd like to share your optimism, but his was an absolute disaster of a season, and Shanarat has poisoned the well as he is about to be fired.

There is only one chance for a quick turnaround and that is RG3 playing like 2012 ROY RG3, and not the 2013 post knee-injury RG3. If he can the make big plays like in 2012, the team will rebound, if not, then this will be an epic fiasco and set the franchise back for years.

Good grief, had a Norv Turner flashback, since I used the phrase big play, still remember those awful Turner post game interviews where he must have said big play 100 times. Typically in the context that the Skins were just a big play away from winning.[/quote]

I'm not necessarily optimistic. I just don't think this is a scorched earth situation. The NFL is week to week, year to year and there are reasons to think the Skins could turn things around as early as next reason, and I agree that the #1 and possibly only way is if RG3 plays like he did in 2012 (or even better).

I'm on record as saying any team with a bonafide franchise QB is NEVER in total re-build mode and as long as we do, we're not either. He needs to play well. Period. But he's hardly going to be asked to shoulder the entire load or be a one man show. The young nucleus on Offense is promising and even teams with poor Defenses make the playoffs each year and sometimes even win Super Bowls (Giants).