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[quote=Hijinx;1049911]What is the likelihood of the Skins putting the non exclusive franchise tag on Orakpo? The Skins would only have to offer him 120% of this years salary and be given the choice to match any offer another team made. Plus if he did leave the Skins would get 2 first round draft picks.[/quote]

Was thinking the same thing

[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;1049931]There are plenty of players I would take, just saying a name there. A few from my list of who will be available who would help us:

Odell Beckham Jr. WR, LSU
Jarvis Landry WR, LSU
Louchiez Purifoy CB, Florida
Stephon Tuitt DE/NT, Notre Dame
Anthony Johnson DT, LSU
LaMarcus Joyner CB/FS, Florida State
Craig Loston S, LSU
Cyril Richardson OT/OG, Baylor
James Hurst OT, UNC
Shane Skov MLB, Stanford
De'Anthony Thomas RB/KR/PR, Oregon
Darqueze Dennard, CB, Michigan State
C.J. Mosley, ILB, Alabama

Anyone of those would be fine with me.[/QUOTE]

Landry from LSU?? Hmm sounds familiar lol but yeah he's a good wr,.I'd love dennard from MSU dude is a good corner

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[quote=FRPLG;1049938]I like him better in a 4-3 actually[/quote]

Me too. Rak and Kerrigan and DE's. Could bring back memories of Manley and Mann......

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Wouldn't over pay him, if a team wants him bad enough to overpay then adios. He has had a decent season, but I want him to have an impact in big games and in big situations during games.

[QUOTE=redskins5044;1049947]Wouldn't over pay him, if a team wants him bad enough to overpay then adios. He has had a decent season, but I want him to have an impact in big games and in big situations during games.[/QUOTE]

Yeah he never seems to have a huge game early on in seasons when games are really on the line, it's nice his last 5 games but where is the consistency

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Orakpo did reach double-digit sacks for the first time since his rookie season......I think he deserves an extension.

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[quote=Mattyk;1049803]He said it's taken him a while to get confidence back due to the injury. Completely understandable and it's not like the guy ever loafs it. He also wants to stay here.

[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2013/11/30/brian-orakpo-getting-his-groove-back-during-late-season-stretch/"]Brian Orakpo getting his groove back during late-season stretch[/URL]

[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2013/12/04/brian-orakpo-says-his-preference-remains-to-re-sign-with-redskins/"]Brian Orakpo says his preference remains to re-sign with Redskins[/URL][/quote]




I know the Giants would like to have him , all players will say they want to stay with the team they are on but most take the money .

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Injured again vs Dallas. While I'm not totally against re-signing him I think the Skins should be careful about how they do it. No way would I break the bank on this guy.

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[quote=irish;1050915]Injured again vs Dallas. While I'm not totally against re-signing him I think the Skins should be careful about how they do it. No way would I break the bank on this guy.[/quote]

Yeah unfortunately a good pass rusher on the open market is going to get big bucks

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[quote=htownskinfan;1050926]Yeah unfortunately a good pass rusher on the open market is going to get big bucks[/quote]

True but he now seems injury prone.

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[quote=irish;1050928]True but he now seems injury prone.[/quote]

Yeah, if he misses next week then it's 3 out of 5 seasons he finishes injured, that's not a good track record. Good thing is it may limit his suitors/price tag and allow us to get him at a better price.

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And what happened after he got hurt yesterday? No pass rush!! Sign him!!

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Tweaking a groin on a sloppy field hardly makes him injury prone. It doesn't seem to be anything serious.

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Kick his INJURY prone.....10 sack ass to the curb!
.....Dime a Dozen
[B]NOTE:[/B] the satire lamp is lit........

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if it's in the same ballpark as dumervil's; yes

if orakpo wants $10m/year; no

dumervil is several years older but more productive, i actually think the ravens got a great deal on him; i'd be very happy if the redskins could lock orakpo up for 5 years for under $40m.

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[quote=los panda;1050982]if it's in the same ballpark as dumervil's; yes

if orakpo wants $10m/year; no

dumervil is several years older but more productive, i actually think the ravens got a great deal on him; i'd be very happy if the redskins could lock orakpo up for 5 years for under $40m.[/quote]

Rak has more sacks and tackles than Dumervil.

As for signing him for less than $40M, dream on.

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[quote=Mattyk;1050985]Rak has more sacks and tackles than Dumervil.

As for signing him for less than $40M, dream on.[/quote]

It is amazing how some people want to think he will sign for around 25-30 million.

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[quote=Mattyk;1050985]Rak has more sacks and tackles than Dumervil.

As for signing him for less than $40M, dream on.[/quote]dumervil missed all of 2010, orakpo missed most of 2012.

stats since 2009:

dumervil:
123 total tackles
47 sacks
12 forced fumbles
0 interceptions

orakpo:
155 total tackles
39.5 sacks
6 forced fumbles
1 interception

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[quote=los panda;1050989]dumervil missed all of 2010, orakpo missed most of 2012.

stats since 2009:

dumervil:
123 total tackles
47 sacks
12 forced fumbles
0 interceptions

orakpo:
155 total tackles
39.5 sacks
6 forced funmbles
1 interception[/quote]

Yeah, I was just talking this year.

The Ravens got a great deal on him because of his age. In his prime he wouldn't be taking that discount and neither will Rak.

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[quote=Mattyk;1050990]Yeah, I was just talking this year.

The Ravens got a great deal on him because of his age. In his prime he wouldn't be taking that discount and neither will Rak.[/quote]he's not even 3 years older than orakpo.

you think orakpo won't settle for less than $10m/year?

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Did you know:
Orakpo has ZERO career sacks against Dallas.
Orakpo has 4.5 total career sacks against all NFC east teams combined.

Josh Wilson has as many career sacks against Dallas as Orakpo.
Josh Wilson has as many career sacks against the Giants as Orakpo (1)

We should be able to pay someone a lot less and get that production.

$40-50Mil would be the max I would give him.

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[quote=los panda;1050992]he's not even 3 years older than orakpo.

[B]you think orakpo won't settle for less than $10m/year[/B]?[/quote]

Probably not and he won't have to. Someone will pay him that easy.

Kruger got 5 yrs $40M last year. You really think Rak is going to settle for that?

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[quote=Mattyk;1050994]Probably not and he won't have to. Someone will pay him that easy.

Kruger got 5 yrs $40M last year. You really think Rak is going to settle for that?[/quote]oh God, i forgot about kruger's robbery.

good point, matty.

whatever it is, we need to give it to him. he'll never be a demarcus ware-type talent, but he's the best we have, and we need to keep him.

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[quote=los panda;1050996]oh God, i forgot about kruger's robbery.

good point, matty.

whatever it is, we need to give it to him. he'll never be a demarcus ware-type talent, but he's the best we have, and we need to keep him.[/quote]

Agreed, we'll have plenty of room to get it done too. No reason to let him go.

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I have a strong suspicion Orakpo could post high teen sacks in a season if he's put in the right system and coached up. IMO that means RDE in the 4-3 and an aggressive scheme and play-caller. Hell, I think even the conservative Blache would have gotten 12-14 sacks out of Rak by now.

Geez I'd love to have that defense back. Can we just please just get quality coaches this time around? It's our turn, gdamnit. It's our turn.

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[quote=The Goat;1051003]I have a strong suspicion Orakpo could post high teen sacks in a season if he's put in the right system and coached up. IMO that means RDE in the 4-3 and an aggressive scheme and play-caller. Hell, I think even the conservative Blache would have gotten 12-14 sacks out of Rak by now.

Geez I'd love to have that defense back. Can we just please just get quality coaches this time around? It's our turn, gdamnit. It's our turn.[/quote]

Take a wild guess who Rak's DC was in 2009

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[quote=Mattyk;1051006]Take a wild guess who Rak's DC was in 2009[/quote]



I knew it was Blache Matty, just saying it would have only gotten better in that defense :)

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I can't wait to get rid of Haslett, but Blache was pretty bad in his own way.

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[quote=Mattyk;1051013]I can't wait to get rid of Haslett, but Blache was pretty bad in his own way.[/quote]



Bad as in boring. In was a stonewall run defense and solid pass defense, but didn't create enough turnovers. He did it well in Chicago before that. In 2008 we ran the 6th best defense:


[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/was/2008.htm]2008 Washington Redskins Statistics & Players - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]


Dropped to 18th the next year, but the team had given up by then.


[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/was/2009.htm]2009 Washington Redskins Statistics & Players - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]


I would have loved a coaching staff of Williams HC, Blache DC and Saunders OC after Gibbs retired.


Like I say though, it's our turn to hit on the right guy(s).

[quote=los panda;1050996]oh God, i forgot about kruger's robbery.

good point, matty.

whatever it is, we need to give it to him. he'll never be a demarcus ware-type talent, but he's the best we have, and we need to keep him.[/quote]The frustrating thing is that we continually botch the opportunity to draft difference making pass rushers. In 2005, we selected Carlos Rogers when Demarcus Ware was there for the taking. In 2009, Orakpo seemed to be a no-brainer, yet Clay Matthews who was selected 13 picks later has been far more impactful. In 2011, both J.J. Watt AND Robert Quinn were on the board when our pick came up. Shanny traded down, and we took Kerrigan at #16. While Kerrigan is a good player, and a great team citizen, he will probably never play to levels that Watt and Quinn have already displayed. If Rak is signed to big money, let him keep his damn hand in the dirt and go after the QB. He is a liability in coverage, yet this staff insists on putting him in space more than occasionally. I think he could be an excellent 4-3 DE, and hopefully the next regime considers that.

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[quote=SouperMeister;1051049]The frustrating thing is that we continually botch the opportunity to draft difference making pass rushers. In 2005, we selected Carlos Rogers when Demarcus Ware was there for the taking. In 2009, Orakpo seemed to be a no-brainer, yet Clay Matthews who was selected 13 picks later has been far more impactful. In 2011, both J.J. Watt AND Robert Quinn were on the board when our pick came up. Shanny traded down, and we took Kerrigan at #16. While Kerrigan is a good player, and a great team citizen, he will probably never play to levels that Watt and Quinn have already displayed. If Rak is signed to big money, let him keep his damn hand in the dirt and go after the QB. He is a liability in coverage, yet this staff insists on putting him in space more than occasionally. I think he could be an excellent 4-3 DE, and hopefully the next regime considers that.[/quote]

Orakpo and Kerrigan could easily be considered an elite rusher in the right system. The natural tools and raw talent are there. It's time they got coached up and became the best pair of pass rushers in the league.

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[quote=SouperMeister;1051049]The frustrating thing is that we continually botch the opportunity to draft difference making pass rushers. In 2005, we selected Carlos Rogers when Demarcus Ware was there for the taking. In 2009, Orakpo seemed to be a no-brainer, yet Clay Matthews who was selected 13 picks later has been far more impactful. In 2011, both J.J. Watt AND Robert Quinn were on the board when our pick came up. Shanny traded down, and we took Kerrigan at #16. While Kerrigan is a good player, and a great team citizen, he will probably never play to levels that Watt and Quinn have already displayed. If Rak is signed to big money, let him keep his damn hand in the dirt and go after the QB. He is a liability in coverage, yet this staff insists on putting him in space more than occasionally. I think he could be an excellent 4-3 DE, and hopefully the next regime considers that.[/quote]I don't know if Matthews has been far more impactful. He's had the best single season of the two, but he's missed more time, and their overall impacts have been about the same.

[QUOTE=GTripp0012;1051065]I don't know if Matthews has been far more impactful. He's had the best single season of the two, but he's missed more time, and their overall impacts have been about the same.[/QUOTE]

Clay is overhyped he's just an avg player

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1051069]Clay is overhyped he's just an avg player[/quote]Better than average, but easily frustrating. Amazingly unblockable when healthy. But plays on a defense that's been bottom quarter in the league three consecutive years.

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[quote=SouperMeister;1051049]The frustrating thing is that we continually botch the opportunity to draft difference making pass rushers. In 2005, we selected Carlos Rogers when Demarcus Ware was there for the taking. In 2009, Orakpo seemed to be a no-brainer, yet Clay Matthews who was selected 13 picks later has been far more impactful. In 2011, both J.J. Watt AND Robert Quinn were on the board when our pick came up. Shanny traded down, and we took Kerrigan at #16. While Kerrigan is a good player, and a great team citizen, he will probably never play to levels that Watt and Quinn have already displayed. If Rak is signed to big money, let him keep his damn hand in the dirt and go after the QB. He is a liability in coverage, yet this staff insists on putting him in space more than occasionally. I think he could be an excellent 4-3 DE, and hopefully the next regime considers that.[/quote]

Yeah Quinn is the type of player we're missing. A difference maker. Rak and Kerrigan are not on his level. But didn't Quinn have issues coming out of NC? Tht's why he dropped in the draft if I remember. It would have been risky pick for us but It sure as hell would've paid off.

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[quote=jamf;1050993]Did you know:
Orakpo has ZERO career sacks against Dallas.
Orakpo has 4.5 total career sacks against all NFC east teams combined.

Josh Wilson has as many career sacks against Dallas as Orakpo.
Josh Wilson has as many career sacks against the Giants as Orakpo (1)

We should be able to pay someone a lot less and get that production.

$40-50Mil would be the max I would give him.[/quote]

Wow....that is not good.

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[quote=los panda;1050996]oh God, i forgot about kruger's robbery.

good point, matty.

whatever it is, we need to give it to him. he'll never be a demarcus ware-type talent, but he's the best we have, and we need to keep him.[/quote]

That's the nature of free agency though. We see a signing every year that really makes no sense, but because of teams wanting to win so badly they overpay. Watch...we'll overpay for someone come March.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1051069]Clay is overhyped he's just an avg player[/quote]

Wouldn't call him average but he isn't as good as the NFL media folk makes him out to be in my opinion. A lot of other teams have better edge rushers.

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Clay> Rak

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Every top defense in the league has their stong point:

49ers: Linebackers
Panthers: Front Seven
Chiefs: Linebackers and Dontari Poe
Cardinals: That massive defensive line that keeps their LBs clean all game.
Seahawks: Legion of Boom. (I feel the loss of Browner will hurt them in the playoffs.)

We have a strength with our edge rushers in Rak and Kerrigan. We need a MLB to replace Fletch and a defensive lineman that constantly pushes the LOS back. With that it will help the secondary develop a la Carolina. There are some good up and coming prospects in the draft that I hope we take a look at. Point is we re-sign Rak and that re-build becomes a lot easier.

Redskins with Rak > Redskins without Rak.