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Why bet on Griffin improving next year? #1 he had a very serious injury, I'm still amazed we even have to say this. #2 never question his drive to succeed.

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[quote=Mattyk;1052616]Why bet on Griffin improving next year? #1 he had a very serious injury, I'm still amazed we even have to say this. #2 never question his drive to succeed.[/quote]

I hear you but Tebow has an incredible drive as well.

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If these John Harbaugh to Texas rumors are true, people will kick the door down to work with Ozzie Newsome and Steve Biscotti to coach the Ravens

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[quote=mredskins;1052618]I hear you but Tebow has an incredible drive as well.[/quote]
Is this some kind of subversive code?.......NY.....Eve trickery?

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[quote=RFKRat;1052382]This franchise is a disaster... Blah, Blah, Blah... Nothing is going to change here.[/quote]

Turn in your fan card!

Welcome to my ignore list.

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;1052619]If these John Harbaugh to Texas rumors are true, people will kick the door down to work with Ozzie Newsome and Steve Biscotti to coach the Ravens[/QUOTE]

I thought they wanted Jim

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[quote=mredskins;1052618]I hear you but Tebow has an incredible drive as well.[/quote]

Too bad he doesn't also have the talent that Griffin does.

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[quote=Mattyk;1052616]Why bet on Griffin improving next year? #1 he had a very serious injury, I'm still amazed we even have to say this. #2 never question his drive to succeed.[/quote]

It's amazing, given 1 bad year coming off an injury and an unhappy relationship with your coach how much things can change. It's like everyone believes 2012 was a myth.

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[quote=mooby;1052629]It's amazing, given 1 bad year coming off an injury and an unhappy relationship with your coach how much things can change. It's like everyone believes 2012 was a myth.[/quote]

What is this 2012 you speak of?

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[quote=Mattyk;1052630]What is this 2012 you speak of?[/quote]

A magical fairytale dream of which no one knows the full story. Much like Question 3.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1052622]I thought they wanted Jim[/quote]

Moved on to John. Could be in play for Michigan too if they make a change

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[quote=SmootSmack;1052638]Moved on to John. Could be in play for Michigan too if they make a change[/quote]

A few ?'s...

If the A list guys on our list don't take the bait do you think we're more likely to see a Sorn type hire (minimal experience, willing to accept minimal authority) or a Gregg Williams situation?

Do you see us moving quickly on the HC hire at least?

You hearing any chatter about the desirability of the job from insiders/potential HCs ?

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[quote=mooby;1052629]It's amazing, given 1 bad year coming off an injury and an unhappy relationship with your coach how much things can change. It's like everyone believes 2012 was a myth.[/quote]

This. Did everyone forget how it felt when RGIII was streaking down the sideline without a single Viking defender touching him?

His numbers this year weren't great, sure. How do you think you would have played after having major knee surgery? He's not a super hero as much as everyone thinks. He's a 23 year old still adjusting to the NFL.

The dude is a serious talent and anyone underestimating his skill is in for a big surprise.

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Ok i'll take the wait and see approach with Griffin. But the chance exists that we could be eating some humble pie. Just about every recent QB we've had here fans have said the same thing about. It's almost like we want to believe we have a winner so bad that we will believe in anything. I bet if Mark Rypien came out of retirement, and was somehow signed by the skins, many on here would believe that he would be like he was during that magical 1991 season.

2012 was a great year. But the knee injury not withstanding, once the read option where RG3 did so well was inexplicably taken away, he looked below average....

Why did we give up on the read option? I've searched and searched and I don't think its been mentioned on here. Was it really just to keep RG3 safer??

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[quote=The Goat;1052640]A few ?'s...

If the A list guys on our list don't take the bait do you think we're more likely to see a Sorn type hire (minimal experience, willing to accept minimal authority) or a Gregg Williams situation?

Do you see us moving quickly on the HC hire at least?

You hearing any chatter about the desirability of the job from insiders/potential HCs ?[/quote]

When you say Gregg Williams situation do you actually mean Gregg Williams?

I'm going to guess toward late January we decide

Depends on the candidate

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[quote=SmootSmack;1052619]If these Johnd Harbaugh to Texas rumors are true, people will kick the door down to work with Ozzie Newsome and Steve Biscotti to coach the Ravens[/quote]

Only in bizzaro world does that make sense. Why go to Texas? That's not a great job IMO. Nfl gigs in b more are maybe the best in the league.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1052658]Ok i'll take the wait and see approach with Griffin. But the chance exists that we could be eating some humble pie. Just about every recent QB we've had here fans have said the same thing about. It's almost like we want to believe we have a winner so bad that we will believe in anything. I bet if Mark Rypien came out of retirement, and was somehow signed by the skins, many on here would believe that he would be like he was during that magical 1991 season.

2012 was a great year. But the knee injury not withstanding, once the read option where RG3 did so well was inexplicably taken away, he looked below average....

Why did we give up on the read option? I've searched and searched and I don't think its been mentioned on here. Was it really just to keep RG3 safer??[/quote]

Yes I'm sure plenty of people would hop on the bandwagon of a 51 year old QB.

We gave up on the read option when Cousins came in, outside of that Griffin ran it plenty. I'm assuming you watched the games, no?

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[quote=SmootSmack;1052660]When you say Gregg Williams situation do you actually mean Gregg Williams?

I'm going to guess toward late January we decide

Depends on the candidate[/quote]

Think you said somewhere Jay Gruden is your expected hire for HC. Will he choose his DC and OC and any idea who?

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[quote=mredskins;1052618]I hear you but Tebow has an incredible drive as well.[/quote]

Too bad he has the accuracy of Mr. Magoo.

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[quote=Mattyk;1052689]Yes I'm sure plenty of people would hop on the bandwagon of a 51 year old QB.

We gave up on the read option when Cousins came in, outside of that Griffin ran it plenty. I'm assuming you watched the games, no?[/quote]

What i saw he didn't look comfortable. he couldn't read a defense, and he just looked all wrong. I really believe that the knee played a big part in it.

I will honestly wait and see next year before i make a judgement one way or the other. I just hope for the sake of this team that we all love so much, they don't wait too long to make some kind of change if it becomes clear that Griffin is not himself. I'm just like everybody else in that I want a winner and I want to win now. We have all been plenty patient...it just gets frustrating some times when year after year goes by and the skins are at the bottom of the barrel, no matter who is at coach, QB, etc....

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1052748]What i saw he didn't look comfortable. he couldn't read a defense, and he just looked all wrong. I really believe that the knee played a big part in it.

I will honestly wait and see next year before i make a judgement one way or the other. I just hope for the sake of this team that we all love so much, they don't wait too long to make some kind of change if it becomes clear that Griffin is not himself. I'm just like everybody else in that I want a winner and I want to win now. We have all been plenty patient...it just gets frustrating some times when year after year goes by and the skins are at the bottom of the barrel, no matter who is at coach, QB, etc....[/quote]

I just don't know how this could be the right idea. With ANY QB you give him a few years to adjust to the league. In my opinion, with a player like RG3 with clear athleticism and play making ability, and with so much invested in him, we damn well better give him at least 2 more years to get things right.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1052730]Too bad he has the accuracy of Mr. Magoo.[/quote]

I can't believe you dissed Magoo. Now he's pissed.

[IMG]http://msa4.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/magoo.jpg[/IMG]

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/washington-redskins-coaching-search-how-good-a-job-is-it/2014/01/02/8c31e8fc-7403-11e3-bc6b-712d770c3715_story.html]Washington Redskins coaching search: How good a job is it? - The Washington Post[/url]

“I keep reading it’s a bad job,” said Charley Casserly, the former general manager of the Redskins and Texans. “It’s not a bad job. Dan Snyder gave total control to Mike Shanahan. He’s put Bruce [Allen, the team’s GM] in charge now. Bruce is coach-friendly. People won’t mind working with him. There are zero issues with the franchise and that job.”

But in the wake of the scrutiny surrounding Shanahan’s relationships with both Snyder and quarterback Robert Griffin III, Casserly’s view is not universally held.

[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1053049][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/washington-redskins-coaching-search-how-good-a-job-is-it/2014/01/02/8c31e8fc-7403-11e3-bc6b-712d770c3715_story.html]Washington Redskins coaching search: How good a job is it? - The Washington Post[/url]



“I keep reading it’s a bad job,” said Charley Casserly, the former general manager of the Redskins and Texans. “It’s not a bad job. Dan Snyder gave total control to Mike Shanahan. He’s put Bruce [Allen, the team’s GM] in charge now. Bruce is coach-friendly. People won’t mind working with him. There are zero issues with the franchise and that job.”



But in the wake of the scrutiny surrounding Shanahan’s relationships with both Snyder and quarterback Robert Griffin III, Casserly’s view is not universally held.[/QUOTE]


Mike did his best to piss all over the place before leaving.

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It's not a top job simply because we lack talent. But with BA now in charge, and an owner that will spend money, not sure why any coach would not want to come here. I think a lot of the dysfunction left town. The Snyder RG3 relationship issue? Hopefully the cleat chaser will cool it so the new coach can put his stamp on the team.

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Motivated reasoning is hell of a drug.

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I'm hearing that Bill Cowher has interviewed twice with Dan Snyder.

Bill Cowher: Great Coach, tons of respect for him. But i think it's a bad hire if they pull the trigger on him.

Bill Cowher will oneday be fired by Snyder, it is inevitable. Bill Cowher left behind a great legacy in Pittsburgh. There is nothing he can do short of winning a superbowl here (which is almost impossible it seems), that will live up to what he did before.

The day he is fired will be a terrible one for Cowher fans, as he deserved better. The man's whole career has been respectable and he is a good leader and a good guy. I do not think he deserves all the BS that flies around in DC...

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2014/01/02/redskins-have-not-spoken-to-bill-cowher-about-their-coaching-job-bruce-allen-says/]Redskins have not spoken to Bill Cowher about their coaching job, Bruce Allen says[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1053049][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/washington-redskins-coaching-search-how-good-a-job-is-it/2014/01/02/8c31e8fc-7403-11e3-bc6b-712d770c3715_story.html]Washington Redskins coaching search: How good a job is it? - The Washington Post[/url]

“I keep reading it’s a bad job,” said Charley Casserly, the former general manager of the Redskins and Texans. “It’s not a bad job. Dan Snyder gave total control to Mike Shanahan. He’s put Bruce [Allen, the team’s GM] in charge now. Bruce is coach-friendly. People won’t mind working with him. There are zero issues with the franchise and that job.”

But in the wake of the scrutiny surrounding Shanahan’s relationships with both Snyder and quarterback Robert Griffin III, Casserly’s view is not universally held.[/quote]

Leave it to the Washington Post to follow-up a positive quote from Charlie Casserly with a giant BUT and negative sentiment from "anonymous sources". I think Dilfer has it right:

“It is a desirable job. There’s only 32 of them. When people talk about maybe ownership is going to be more patient in Detroit, in Houston — okay, maybe. But if you coach for the Washington Redskins, you’re gonna be paid market value.

“You’re gonna live in a nice area of the country. . . . If you’re a guy with multiple teams after you and you can choose, maybe some of the things that have gone on there in the past can affect you. But guys are not gonna turn it down. Most guys don’t have multiple offers. [B]And you’re not gonna be in a situation there where you’re desperately looking for a quarterback.”[/B]

It all comes down to the play of RG3. If he becomes the elite talent he showed the potential to become in his rookie year, the next head coach is going to have to try really hard to screw up his tenure in DC.

Better scheming and a few parts can solve the Defensive issues overnight. They don't have to be a top 5-10 Defense for this team to succeed. They just can't be bottom of the league bad.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1052245]IMO, the circus just left town.[/quote]

I agree totally.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1053117]I agree totally.[/quote]

I know Smoot hates the term "the media", so take my use of it here with the meaning -- Those in media positions who will always try and spin a Skins story negatively.

Our next coach whoever it shall be, needs to be media savvy, there will be plenty of circus like questions until the coach and FO can get a handle on handling the media. In my opinion, this is one of BA's better attributes. He doesn't come out heavy handed, but he does seem to be able to get his message out, while maintaining a positive spin. If the coach is also likeable (ie not nicknamed demon bunny, or ratface) than that would be a giant step forward for this organization. Even the fact that Griffin left without stopping for a media circus may show that he kinda gets it too.

So I haven't been in the loop this last week , who have we interviewed so far? And who will we?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1053141]I know Smoot hates the term "the media", so take my use of it here with the meaning -- Those in media positions who will always try and spin a Skins story negatively.

Our next coach whoever it shall be, needs to be media savvy, there will be plenty of circus like questions until the coach and FO can get a handle on handling the media. In my opinion, this is one of BA's better attributes. He doesn't come out heavy handed, but he does seem to be able to get his message out, while maintaining a positive spin. If the coach is also likeable (ie not nicknamed demon bunny, or ratface) than that would be a giant step forward for this organization. Even the fact that Griffin left without stopping for a media circus may show that he kinda gets it too.[/quote]

Great points and I totally agree about BA, he's very savvy. That said if our new HC is a little green I trust BA can manage the situation so it's not everwhelming. I also think a guy who mostly ignores the media would help lol.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1053049][url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/washington-redskins-coaching-search-how-good-a-job-is-it/2014/01/02/8c31e8fc-7403-11e3-bc6b-712d770c3715_story.html]Washington Redskins coaching search: How good a job is it? - The Washington Post[/url]

“I keep reading it’s a bad job,” said Charley Casserly, the former general manager of the Redskins and Texans. “It’s not a bad job. Dan Snyder gave total control to Mike Shanahan. He’s put Bruce [Allen, the team’s GM] in charge now. Bruce is coach-friendly. People won’t mind working with him. There are zero issues with the franchise and that job.”

But in the wake of the scrutiny surrounding Shanahan’s relationships with both Snyder and quarterback Robert Griffin III, Casserly’s view is not universally held.[/quote]

If there is anyone who would be motivated to crap all over the job you would think it was CC who got run out of town in deference to Norv Turner. The fact that he has his critical thinking cap on and understands how the league works shows that the job isn't terrible. Or even considered as such in league circles.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1053149]So I haven't been in the loop this last week , who have we interviewed so far? And who will we?[/quote]

Darrell Bevell, Jim Caldwell, Perry Fewell, Sean McDermott... at least that's who have definitely been confirmed to have been interviewed, as per the "Who do you want as a HC thread"

I'm throwing this name/link into the mix. Rich Bisaccia; Cowboys special teams coach.

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/03/report-rich-bisaccia-interviewing-for-redskins/]Report: Rich Bisaccia interviewing for Redskins on Friday | ProFootballTalk[/url]

U know Caldwell was solid in Indy but that 2-14 year scares me. As for the rest of those guys I guess I'd go with bevelle

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The dallas cowboys special teams coach? The one with zero head coaching or coordinating experience? Ummmmmmm, i guess i should say

I FUCKING HOPE NOT?

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[quote=Mechanix544;1053212]The dallas cowboys special teams coach? The one with zero head coaching or [B]coordinating experience[/B]? Ummmmmmm, i guess i should say

I FUCKING HOPE NOT?[/quote]

He has many years' experience as a special teams coordinator.

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so, 6 plays a game? Sorry, not gonna spin that into a NFL coordinator. Also, the cowboys special teams were nothing special, and that is one area of the game where scheme and coaching has a TON to do with the product on the field. This guy is just a Bruce Allen Lackey, seems he might be giving tryouts to his friends.

Im just saying, its not often you go from special teams coach to head coach of the third most expensive NFL franchise.

I think this would be a mistake. Worse than Shanny mistake, but that is just my opinion.

[QUOTE=Mechanix544;1053217]so, 6 plays a game? Sorry, not gonna spin that into a NFL coordinator. Also, the cowboys special teams were nothing special, and that is one area of the game where scheme and coaching has a TON to do with the product on the field. This guy is just a Bruce Allen Lackey, seems he might be giving tryouts to his friends.

Im just saying, its not often you go from special teams coach to head coach of the third most expensive NFL franchise.

I think this would be a mistake. Worse than Shanny mistake, but that is just my opinion.[/QUOTE]

I doubt they hire him and I agree I hope not.