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[quote=SirLK26;1056749]
And the PAT not useless; 2003 Saints and John Carney ring a bell with anyone? I believe that Saints fans everywhere remember that PAT very much.[/quote]

or romo fumbling away the hold ... maybe that was a fg.

either way, its part of the game.

does an added excitement outweigh changing the game?

i see it as taking away some excitement as it just takes away a football play.

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[quote=Paintrain;1056748]I voted 'yes' they [I]should[/I] consider eliminating the XP but I'd rather see them modify it by making it an actual play. Give teams the option to kick from the 18 yd line (35 yd FG) for one or run a play from the 3 yd line for two. Adds an element of strategy to each scoring play and execution so that it's not automatic.[/quote]

My bet is 98.4% of the time teams would opt for the easy FG rather than the play. IMO there wouldnt be any more strategy in a play/kick option than there is now.

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[quote=Paintrain;1056748]I voted 'yes' they [I]should[/I] consider eliminating the XP but I'd rather see them modify it by making it an actual play. Give teams the option to kick from the 18 yd line (35 yd FG) for one or run a play from the 3 yd line for two. Adds an element of strategy to each scoring play and execution so that it's not automatic.[/quote]


I agree with this. Make it more competitive, but dont take the foot out of football.

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[quote=irish;1056760]My bet is 98.4% of the time teams would opt for the easy FG rather than the play. IMO there wouldnt be any more strategy in a play/kick option than there is now.[/quote]

A 35 yarder isn't a gimme FG like the XP is now. Now windy/wet conditions potentially could be a factor in deciding to kick or go for two. What if your kicker gets injured in game? Sure a punter can knock it in from 19 yds but how about from 35?

*Update* Only 11 of 34 kickers who attempted a FG this past season were perfect from less than 39 yards. Not a sure thing every time.

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[quote=SirLK26;1056749]Why would anyone support eliminating something that's so much a part of the game we love? Shouldn't preserving football be more important than your being merely "entertained"? Perhaps you should examine your priorities outside football if you support destroying it by doing away with an integral part of the game, that takes very little time, because it doesn't "entertain" you. Oh, how I wish I were alive when the Redskins were killing the 80s and early 90s, and John Madden's Raiders were still terrorizing opponents. [I]That[/I] was real football. And every year, Roger "F****** Idiot" Goodell carries the NFL away from that particular game more, whether by practically eliminating the kickoff, to limiting contact by RBs, to limiting huge hits by handing out fines.

And the PAT not useless; 2003 Saints and John Carney ring a bell with anyone? I believe that Saints fans everywhere remember that PAT very much.[/quote]

Taking things a little too seriously huh?


I'm sorry I was under the mistaken impression the point of the entire sport was to entertain the fans.

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I've yet to hear a legit compelling argument in favor of the PAT.

Probably a good indication why it's likely to change sooner rather than later.

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How about making every touchdown worth 7, and a 2 point conversion becomes a one point conversion.

Or make everything worth 6 and teams can only go for 2.

Extra Points are just dumb.

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[quote=Mattyk;1056757]People act like Goodell is the only commish to have rule changes go into effect under his regime.

The game is constantly evolving. Always has, always will.[/quote]

Problem is his changes have had negative impacts on the game, from a fans perspective and for players playing defense. I don't remember Rozelle or Tagliabue having such negativity during their runs. But I like some of the new proposals that are on the table w/ the PAT.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1056782]Problem is his changes have had negative impacts on the game, from a fans perspective and for players playing defense. I don't remember Rozelle or Tagliabue having such negativity during their runs. But I like some of the new proposals that are on the table w/ the PAT.[/quote]

That is because tagliabue and Rozelle just hid the information. Unfortunately Goodell is working in a time where information automatically becomes public.

If they worked in a time where the long term effects of concussions became public and the NFL was constantly being sued by ex players for not being honest about the risks, they would be doing the same thing in order to make the NFL marketable.

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[quote=donofriose;1056781]How about making every touchdown worth 7, and a 2 point conversion becomes a one point conversion.

Or make everything worth 6 and teams can only go for 2.

Extra Points are just dumb.[/quote]

If the league is going to eliminate the PAT then I'd prefer to see them do it completely. No longer kicks or plays. Make TDs worth 7 points and give the other team the ball and keep the game moving.

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[quote=Mattyk;1056765]I've yet to hear a legit compelling argument in favor of the PAT.

[B]Probably a good indication why it's likely to change sooner rather than later[/B].[/quote]

Interesting because I havent heard a compelling arguement to change it.

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[quote=skinsguy;1056753]<snip>At least, the PAT needs to be moved back enough to where it's not automatic. It needs to be earned. I'd say make it a 35 yard attempt. At least not less than a 30 yard attempt. Pretty much everything under 30 is automatic. That would put some drama in the PAT, and I don't think it would be such a change that those who hate change for change sake would be too upset over that. That way, if there happens to be an offensive penalty on the PAT, then it really puts them in danger of missing the point. I'd say either that or just go for two after every TD<snip>[/quote]

If the PAT is eventually changed, this is a solution I could learn to live with.

[quote=FRPLG;1056764]Taking things a little too seriously huh?


I'm sorry I was under the mistaken impression the point of the entire sport was to entertain the fans.[/quote]

Yes, I was a little heated when I typed that. :D

And the point of the NFL [I]is [/I]to entertain fans, but when you do away with an integral part of the game so the fans are more entertained, then you're sacrificing the great game of football for mere entertainment. I don't think any part of the game should be changed so the fans enjoy it more. It's lasted for many years, so why change it now? If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

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[quote=irish;1056784]If the league is going to eliminate the PAT then I'd prefer to see them do it completely. No longer kicks or plays. Make TDs worth 7 points and give the other team the ball.[/quote]

That would make the game less exciting by 2% right? And less dynamic? Im confused. Goodell is looking to make the game more dynamic and exciting, why do the opposite?

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[quote=skinsfan69;1056782]Problem is his changes have had negative impacts on the game, from a fans perspective and for players playing defense. [B]I don't remember Rozelle or Tagliabue having such negativity during their runs. [/B] But I like some of the new proposals that are on the table w/ the PAT.[/quote]

Different times/eras. Neither of them had to deal with the 24/7 glare from traditional and social media like Goodell does. Both of them had their share of problems if you do some research. Rozelle had his run ins with Al Davis, there were issues with drugs/steroids in the 80s, he also had two strikes during his tenure. Tags put in some strict and unpopular rule changes too. The start of the term "No Fun League" came under his watch.

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[quote=irish;1056785]Interesting because I havent heard a compelling arguement to change it.[/quote]

Adding a more impactful plays to the game on extra scoring attempts rather than a 98% gimme point for a more exciting game isnt compelling? I think Goodell makes a pretty layman arguement

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[quote=irish;1056785]Interesting because I havent heard a compelling arguement to change it.[/quote]

If saying a play that fails 1% of the time couldn't be improved upon isn't good enough for you there's not much else to say.

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I dont see any of this making the game more or less dynamic, the game is fine as it is.

All this talk is a solution looking for a problem.

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[quote=irish;1056791]I dont see any of this making the game more or less dynamic, the game is fine as it is.

All this talk is a solution looking for a problem.[/quote]

Let me guess, rotary house phone?

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[quote=irish;1056785]Interesting because I havent heard a compelling arguement to change it.[/quote]

It is the most boring part of a football game.

One of the most exciting parts of a football game is a 2 point conversion.

I believe it is that simple. This isn't High school or college.

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[quote=donofriose;1056793]It is the most boring part of a football game.

One of the most exciting parts of a football game is a 2 point conversion.

I believe it is that simple. This isn't High school or college.[/quote]

No, the kickoff is the most boring play in football.

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[quote=donofriose;1056793]It is the most boring part of a football game.

One of the most exciting parts of a football game is a 2 point conversion.

I believe it is that simple. [B]This isn't High school or college[/B].[/quote]

See this is the point to me. In Highschool we went for the 2 points almost everytime, because we didn't have a kicker that was automatic on PAT's. It was a dynamic part of the game in that instance. In the NFL, however, it is pointless, maybe at one time it wasn't automatic (I don't know) but it is now. That is why I support backing it up for a 35 yard attempt, despite the fact that as a Skins fan it is more than likely to bite us in the ass.

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[quote=Chico23231;1056792]Let me guess, rotary house phone?[/quote]

flip phone with belt clip

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[quote=irish;1056794]No, the kickoff is the most boring play in football.[/quote]

How can you even say that? There is no comparison, I mean, yeah, with the kicks turning into touchbacks is kinda boring now, but there is still a chance for returns for a TD, onside kicks, etc.

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[quote=Mattyk;1056796]flip phone with belt clip[/quote]

Actually its a pager.

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[quote=irish;1056798]Actually its a pager.[/quote]

lol perfect

wait, what's a pager?

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[quote=irish;1056794]No, the kickoff is the most boring play in football.[/quote]

This past weekend we saw a big kick return from the Seahawks that completely changed the game.

Against the redskins we saw a lot of big kickoff returns that changed games.

What extra point play is comparable to that?

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[quote=irish;1056798]Actually its a pager.[/quote]

:laughing2

you ballin son!

When you get paged, i bet you hit a pay phone to return the call.

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[quote=Chico23231;1056801]:laughing2

you ballin son!

When you get paged, i bet you hit a pay phone to return the call.[/quote]

LOL, you know it.

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I'm not really for or against the idea. I voted "no" because I feel more like, if it's not adding anything to the game; change it. Make it more difficult.

While we're talking about extra points, I think we should make it so that the defense can score 2 points on the play, as well. Same as college. If you go for 2 and throw a pick, the defense can return it for 2 points; same goes for blocking a kick

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Things that necessarily weren't broke at the time, but were changed to improve the game for safety or entertainment:

Forward passes were once illegal, touchdowns were once 4 points and FGs were 5, horse-collar tackles were legal, before '94 there were no 2 point conversions, sudden death OT came along in '74, before '70 jerseys didn't have player names on them, in '78 a 2nd wilcard team was added, in '74 the goal posts were moved back, etc., etc.

Down the road I doubt we'll ever hear anyone say, you know I really miss the PAT.

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why does anyone care about the PAT? The "it's part of the game" reasoning is lazy.

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[quote=SirLK26;1056749]
And the PAT not useless; 2003 Saints and John Carney ring a bell with anyone? I believe that Saints fans everywhere remember that PAT very much.[/quote]

I live in Saintsland and you are correct. Saints fans clearly remember and lament that PAT.

But that was 10 years ago! I see no reason to sit through a gajillion boring PAT's because ten years ago the PAT had an effect on just one game.

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Not eliminate, but replace.

I'm all for it since they're basically automatic.

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saw an interesting suggestion, put a narrower set of post right behind the current ones. and xp's would need to go through them. not quite sure of the logistics but it is an interesting/out of the box idea

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[quote=Chico23231;1056801]:laughing2

you ballin son!

When you get paged, i bet you hit a [B]pay phone[/B] to return the call.[/quote]

They still have those?!

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;1056821]They still have those?![/quote]

They do in Cleveland

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They should consider it, and I for one am still undecided one way or the other.

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I am for it one less thing the Redskins can fuck up in a game.We need all the help we can get.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;1056821]They still have those?![/quote]

They have them in hotels, airports, and in DC's subway system. They arent everywhere like they used to be but they arent extinct either. You just have to know where to find them.

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I just heard that extra points have a success rate of 99.1% since 2004.

So again why is anyone objectively against changing up a play that's become almost automatic?