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31 does not mean a player can not get the job done. As long as they take care of themselves and there's not a lot of guaranteed money then I'm fine with it. We're going to probably have a rotation at the d-line anyway.

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My number one concern with this contract is that it goes year to year. I don't mind paying a lot for good older players -- in fact I wanted to go after Boldin before SF re-signed him -- but you don't want to get locked in with an older player. When it goes, it's gone.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1063975][B]My number one concern with this contract is that it goes year to year.[/B] I don't mind paying a lot for good older players -- in fact I wanted to go after Boldin before SF re-signed him -- but you don't want to get locked in with an older player. When it goes, it's gone.[/quote]

I haven't seen any details on the contract. Could you expand on your year-to-year comment? I don't understand what you mean by that. Is there a team/player/mutual option or something? Thanks in advance.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1063977]I haven't seen any details on the contract. Could you expand on your year-to-year comment? I don't understand what you mean by that. Is there a team/player/mutual option or something? Thanks in advance.[/quote]

He means you want to be able to cut them at the end of the year (if need) without any consequences (dead money) being stuck to you because you signed him to a long term deal with a huge signing bonus/guaranteed money. Think in terms of Revis contract with TB. He had no signing bonus or guaranteed money. Simply pay him year by year, and can cut at anytime.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1063978]He means you want to be able to cut them at the end of the year (if need) without any consequences (dead money) being stuck to you because you signed him to a long term deal with a huge signing bonus/guaranteed money. Think in terms of Revis contract with TB. He had no signing bonus or guaranteed money. Simply pay him year by year, and can cut at anytime.[/quote]Exactly. Thanks.

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I think we wish all contracts were like this, but I expect very little guaranteed money. Its Bruce.

But when you want a top 3 DLine disrupter in FA, you pay.

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[quote=tc2deuce;1063943]Hatcher also does not have a lot of wear and tear bc it took him a while to get to the top of the depth chart in Dallas...food for thought[/quote]

Bump, he doesn't have the miles that a normal 31 year old has.

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People see the age and $27.5M and automatically flip out.

Always have to wait and see what the guaranteed money is.

And for a guy his age, he seems to be just getting started. A late bloomer type with not a lot of wear and tear on him. Anyone who watched our games with them last year should know he's a beast on the interior.

A great pass rush can hide a lot of issues in the secondary. It appears that's the plan going into this year.

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1 gap attacking style, with Hatcher, and they need an ILB that excels at stopping the run Sharpton. The pieces fit together, just have to see what happens on the field. Sharptons weakness is pass coverage, but he won't be asked to do much of that.

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[quote=Evilgrin;1063990]1 gap attacking style, with Hatcher, and they need an ILB that excels at stopping the run Sharpton. The pieces fit together, just have to see what happens on the field. [B]Sharptons weakness is pass coverage, but he won't be asked to do much of that.[/B][/quote]

Except Haslett's defenses typically have ILB's on the field for all three downs and dropping into coverage. If Rak is going to rush more, as Haslett has promised, ILB's will have to cover even more than in the past.

He and Riley both are going to need to work on coverage skills.

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[quote=mattyk;1063830]still looking at spencer too.

Who needs a secondary?

#bringheat[/quote]#bringheat

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Aaron Wilson ‏@RavensInsider 16m
Jason Hatcher four-year Redskins deal, $27.5 million, $10.5 million guaranteed, $9 million bonus, $1.5 million 2014 salary full guarantee

so 4.5mill this year's cap, and heavily backloaded or laden with incentives

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1064064]Aaron Wilson ‏@RavensInsider 16m
Jason Hatcher four-year Redskins deal, $27.5 million, $10.5 million guaranteed, $9 million bonus, $1.5 million 2014 salary full guarantee

so 4.5mill this year's cap, and heavily backloaded or laden with incentives[/quote]

So 17 mil in salaries the last 3 years. Will be 4.5 mil dead money if we cut in two years, but should get us out with a cap savings if we do cut him after those two years. Doesnt sound terrible to me. With the cap going up, we can let his play dictate how long he stays.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1064064]Aaron Wilson ‏@RavensInsider 16m
Jason Hatcher four-year Redskins deal, $27.5 million, $10.5 million guaranteed, $9 million bonus, $1.5 million 2014 salary full guarantee

so 4.5mill this year's cap, and heavily backloaded or laden with incentives[/quote]

If the 9M bonus is prorated over 4 years, it is 2.25M/Y. So his cap hit this year is only 3.75M (1.5M GTD Salary + 2.25 Prorated Bonus).

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To be fair London Fletcher was 32 when we got him.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1064066]If the 9M bonus is prorated over 4 years, it is 2.25M/Y. So his cap hit this year is only 3.75M (1.5M GTD Salary + 2.25 Prorated Bonus).[/quote]

I did 3 yrs, oops. Thanks

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[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/6144/double-coverage-jason-hatcher-signing]Double Coverage: Jason Hatcher signing - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN[/url]

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details of the contract sound fine to me... very reasonable deal... and that article posted elsewhere about his interview on 980 about getting back at dallas? yes please. hungry players is exactly what we flippin need.

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hatcher's 4 year deal is really a 3 year/20mill deal with a very expensive year 4 team option.

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It's a large-ish contract. Not a monster deal, but a good payout.

The Redskins see him as an impact talent. The other teams that he was taking visits with saw him as a valuable role player.

We'll see who is right. If he gets 6-8 sacks from a 3-4 DE position, that's a big impact.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1064133]It's a large-ish contract. Not a monster deal, but a good payout.

The Redskins see him as an impact talent. The other teams that he was taking visits with saw him as a valuable role player.

We'll see who is right. If he gets 6-8 sacks from a 3-4 DE position, that's a big impact.[/quote]

As you know, it's not just the sacks. It's the QB hits and the hurries. It's being disruptive. We desperately needed to get some inside pressure on the QB and now I think we'll get that from Hatcher. Lord knows, he has given our OLines and QBs fits over the years.

And there are other benefits to this signing, as well. For example, to me, one of the key things that would make keeping Orakpo worth the money was to improve our inside pass rush so Brian could be more effective. Now we've done that.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1064154]As you know, it's not just the sacks. It's the QB hits and the hurries. It's being disruptive. Lord knows, he has given our OLines and QBs fits over the years.

We desperately needed to get some inside pressure on the QB and now I think we'll get that from Hatcher. To me, one of the key things that would make keeping Orakpo worth the money was to improve our inside pass rush. Now we've done that.[/quote]It's easy to figure out WHY they paid him: they see him as an impact player at a position where they need the help desperately.

It's one thing to pay for the performance you need, which is what they've done. Whether they're going to get it is a different question. At 6-8 sacks, plus the disruption you would expect from a guy getting to the QB that often, that's the kind of impact you're looking for with this contract.

If the plan works, the interior pass rush should improve, and everyone will benefit.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1064155]It's easy to figure out WHY they paid him: they see him as an impact player at a position where they need the help desperately.

[B]It's one thing to pay for the performance you need, which is what they've done. Whether they're going to get it is a different question. [/B] At 6-8 sacks, plus the disruption you would expect from a guy getting to the QB that often, that's the kind of impact you're looking for with this contract.

If the plan works, the interior pass rush should improve, and everyone will benefit.[/quote]

Ah yes, the eternal conundrum of NFL Free Agent signings!

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1064156]Ah yes, the eternal conundrum of NFL Free Agent signings![/quote]You're right. This is not a unique problem that the Redskins face. They just have a bad history with it.

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The other interesting thing about this deal is that it's the Redskins telling you they aren't planning on addressing DL in the draft.

I don't doubt they might take a guy who falls to the 6th or 7th round who can come in and compete for Jarvis Jenkins roster spot, but I'd expect the draft to lean heavy on offense, with the chance that they'll grab a safety or linebacker they really like.

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Supposedly the redskins offer was way above what other teams were going to give him. Even the raiders, which is a little concerning.

[url=http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2014/03/14/hatcher-says-redskins-blew-the-doors-off-other-offers/]Hatcher says Redskins ‘blew the doors off’ other offers - The Washington Post[/url]

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[quote=donofriose;1064260]Supposedly the redskins offer was way above what other teams were going to give him. Even the raiders, which is a little concerning.

[URL="http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2014/03/14/hatcher-says-redskins-blew-the-doors-off-other-offers/"]Hatcher says Redskins ‘blew the doors off’ other offers - The Washington Post[/URL][/quote]

Agree with this, generally you like to hear what's going on right now with the Ryan Clark negotiations, where the player leaves the visit without signing, then it takes some time, and then hopefully a deal gets announced. That's a sign that the team was being shrewd in its pricing.

To hear we blew the doors off tells me we may have overpaid. But still, it's not a huge financial commitment to Hatcher. $10.5M guaranteed over 4 years is not the kind of contract that puts you behind the 8 ball.

I do think playing next to Cofield and alongside either Rak or Kerrigan, and in the one-gap that Haslett keeps talking about, there's plenty of opportunity for the line as a whole to do some damage.

I'm not concerned if Hatcher himself only gets 6 sacks. His presence should mean Cofield has a better shot at penetrating. And I like me some Barry Cofield a lot. With defensive linemen, it's not about individual stats, it's more about how did the whole line perform as a unit.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1064158]The other interesting thing about this deal is that it's the Redskins telling you they aren't planning on addressing DL in the draft.

I don't doubt they might take a guy who falls to the 6th or 7th round who can come in and compete for Jarvis Jenkins roster spot, but I'd expect the draft to lean heavy on offense, with the chance that they'll grab a safety or linebacker they really like.[/quote]

With the current hole at safety being about the width of the Grand Canyon, I think we're just about broadcasting our intention to take a S in round 2 or round 3 anyway. But if they land Clark and maybe bring back Meriweather, maybe that changes.