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[quote=SmootSmack;1065417]Well he never announced the months he spent visiting the reservations[/quote]Right, and it's not like this was announced at a huge press conference on the steps of the National Museum of the American Indian or something. It was announced via a letter posted to the Skins website on a Monday evening in March, and then presented to the rest of the owners so that the foundation could get more support from them.
NC Skins, I totally agree that Snyder isn't going to get the benefit of the doubt from most people, especially his most vocal critics, but I think this was handled pretty well. Now hopefully the foundation actually follows through with its mission and does some good.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1065419]I have no good answer for that because I think Dan is going to get slammed regardless in this situation. That's what happens when you squander all your good will towards the public and press early on. Live and learn.[/quote]

Not talking about it or being less than honest is never the best thing to do. I thought he [I]was[/I] pretty low key about it. He announced it in a letter and has turned down interviews about it. And he didn't tell everyone what he was doing months ago when he started visiting the reservations.

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[quote=Mattyk;1065421]Not talking about it or being less than honest is never the best thing to do. I thought he [I]was[/I] pretty low key about it. He announced it in a letter and has turned down interviews about it. And he didn't tell everyone what he was doing months ago when he started visiting the reservations.[/quote]


I suppose you are right. Too bad his critics aren't going to think so. Mike Wise is planning some rebuttal at this moment I imagine.

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There's always going to be haters no matter what the guy does.

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Crazy thing yesterday. Was flipping thru and stopped on CNN, and they had a segment on the creation of the charity and the Redskins name controversy. Their special guest was part of the Smithsonian Native American board, and I thought it would be interesting, then the guest said, "I wrote my first letter on this topic to the WP in 1973 when I was 18". My only thought was, then wouldn't it make sense for CNN to have a strong proponent of keeping the name? Clearly their guest had no objectivity, which is fine, except the host made no attempt at presenting a different view, simply kept feeding simplistic questions to allow the guest to go on about all names, and Redskins in particular.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1065439]Crazy thing yesterday. Was flipping thru and stopped on CNN, and they had a segment on the creation of the charity and the Redskins name controversy. Their special guest was part of the Smithsonian Native American board, and I thought it would be interesting, then the guest said, "I wrote my first letter on this topic to the WP in 1973 when I was 18". My only thought was, then wouldn't it make sense for CNN to have a strong proponent of keeping the name? Clearly their guest had no objectivity, which is fine, except the host made no attempt at presenting a different view, simply kept feeding simplistic questions to allow the guest to go on about all names, and Redskins in particular.[/quote]

liberal media

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And it starts.

[url]http://news.yahoo.com/redskins-owners-starts-charity-youll-forget-racist-team-061432710.html[/url]

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[quote=Mechanix544;1065450]And it starts.

[url]http://news.yahoo.com/redskins-owners-starts-charity-youll-forget-racist-team-061432710.html[/url][/quote]

[quote][B]While the effort is commendable,[/B] it’s also an obvious attempt at misdirection to take pressure off the team over their offensive namesake.[/quote]

Why not just leave it at that? Why try to stir up more fake outrage by writing an idiotic article about how Snyder is attempting to "divert attention" from the "racist team name" by addressing Native Americans' real challenges? Snyder's doing more to help the Native Americans than probably anyone from Yahoo or The Wire has ever done in their whole life for [I]anyone[/I] in need. Instead of wasting his time writing this article, Mr. Brian Feldman should have called Snyder and asked how he could help with the foundation; then he'd actually be doing some good.

And this quote just makes me sob: “[Snyder] can cry about high rates of suicides but he doesn’t begin to understand how he’s contributing to that and that this is a real matter of life and death,” she told ThinkProgress." Really? So instead of poverty, lack of education, or some other problem Native Americans face, you're going to blame the name of a football team for high suicide rates? You know what? I [I]totally[/I] understand that.

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[quote=SirLK26;1065453]Why not just leave it at that? Why try to stir up more fake outrage by writing an idiotic article about how Snyder is attempting to "divert attention" from the "racist team name" by addressing Native Americans' real challenges? Snyder's doing more to help the Native Americans than probably anyone from Yahoo or The Wire has ever done in their whole life for [I]anyone[/I] in need. Instead of wasting his time writing this article, Mr. Brian Feldman should have called Snyder and asked how he could help with the foundation; then he'd actually be doing some good.

And this quote just makes me sob: “[Snyder] can cry about high rates of suicides but he doesn’t begin to understand how he’s contributing to that and that this is a real matter of life and death,” she told ThinkProgress." Really? So instead of poverty, lack of education, or some other problem Native Americans face, you're going to blame the name of a football team for high suicide rates? You know what? I [I]totally[/I] understand that.[/quote]

How in the world is Snyder contributing to the suicide rate amongst Native Americans? What an idiotic article this is! Opps....hope that wasn't derogatory.

Because we *have* to apportion blame, no personal responsibility needed

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Snyder has been devaluing the prestige of the Redskins brand for a better part of a decade now and this PR move isn't going to change that nor will it change the desire by many to have the name changed. The loss of the Redskins trademark is inevitable and I for one hope it happens. These Redskins are not the Redskins of yesteryears and every year that passes by it becomes harder to relate the brand. Honestly, this is a great opportunity to re-brand the team before the brand's value becomes junk. It worked for Arthur Anderson, I can't imagine why it wouldn't work for Daniel Snyer.

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We need a negative nancy/debbie downer badge (along the lines of the VIP/Mod badges) that the mods can give out for those who excel in all things negative.

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[quote=saden1;1065585]Snyder has been devaluing the prestige of the Redskins brand for a better part of a decade now and this PR move isn't going to change that nor will it change the desire by many to have the name changed. The loss of the Redskins trademark is inevitable and I for one hope it happens. These Redskins are not the Redskins of yesteryears and every year that passes by it becomes harder to relate the brand. Honestly, this is a great opportunity to re-brand the team before the brand's value becomes junk. It worked for Arthur Anderson, I can't imagine why it wouldn't work for Daniel Snyer.[/quote]

It's already devalued. But that's not because of resistance to change the name.

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Regardless of what we think, we should give Snyder credit for taking the time to hear these people out. Apparently he did travel to some of these Indian reservations so good for him. But as I mentioned, stop with the statements. Come and and talk for once.

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[quote=saden1;1065585]Snyder has been devaluing the prestige of the Redskins brand for a better part of a decade now and this PR move isn't going to change that nor will it change the desire by many to have the name changed. The loss of the Redskins trademark is inevitable and I for one hope it happens. These Redskins are not the Redskins of yesteryears and every year that passes by it becomes harder to relate the brand. Honestly, this is a great opportunity to re-brand the team before the brand's value becomes junk. It worked for Arthur Anderson, I can't imagine why it wouldn't work for Daniel Snyer.[/quote]

So you want them to lose the trademark, but not because you have a problem with the name, but because you hate Dan Snyder. Interesting...

If the team is rebranded, it will still be owned by Dan. Of all the reasons I have heard for changing the name, this is the first time I have heard loss of prestige of the Redskins brand due to not liking the owner.

I am not going to post a link because Mike Wise articles ought to be banned from all creation, but a news feed app pulled his latest Snyder hatchet job about finding a native american woman who posted a selfie with a 10 dollar bill over her mouth. You can guess the rest of the article.

I really would like to know what exactly Snyder did to Wise. I know the basics but he seems like he has only one mission and that is to tear anything that Snyder does down. And I would love to understand why the Post continues to employ him.

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This whole name thing has me playing Pontius Pilate. Make no mistake, I'm very attached to the name and certainly would never think of it as a racial slur. However at the same time I understand that while it may be a minority of people that are offended by the name you have to at least respect and understand that.

Even if its as small as 10% the fact of the matter is that a key principle in this countries is at the very least respecting and hearing out the views of a minority opinion. Now if its hogwash like refusing to give your diabetic kid insulin because of certain religious beliefs then obviously its fair to quickly disregard that but in the case of something less tangible like the Redskins name I guess we've had a good run at least avoiding this discussion.

I am somewhat open to changing the name but I think my breaking point would be if they had to significantly change the uniforms and logo. To me the burgundy and gold as well as the chief on the side of the helmet are the key symbols of the team for me.

[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1065594]Regardless of what we think, we should give Snyder credit for taking the time to hear these people out. Apparently he did travel to some of these Indian reservations so good for him. But as I mentioned, stop with the statements. Come and and talk for once.[/QUOTE]

I can't find the story but a month or two ago I remember Bruce Allen talking about visiting various tribes and them telling them they did not find the name offensive which I kind of found humorous. Not because I think Allen is lying but rather because he seems to have a well deserved reputation as a charmer, something I've heard from various people who have gotten a chance to meet him. The type of guy that if you're pro or anti (*insert political issue here*) he could get you to at least strongly consider switching sides.

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[quote=tc2deuce;1065380]If the Redskins name goes then I want the state of Oklahoma to change their name[B] and I want the Yankees to go as well!!! I am offended when other countries call me a yank[/B]![/quote]

Agreed I have never nor have I even considered engaging in self-amorous physical movement practices. And while I did see the cover of an SI swimsuit issue once in line at the market I can assure you that I quickly looked away.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1065610]I am not going to post a link because Mike Wise articles ought to be banned from all creation, but a news feed app pulled his latest Snyder hatchet job about finding a native american woman who posted a selfie with a 10 dollar bill over her mouth. You can guess the rest of the article.

I really would like to know what exactly Snyder did to Wise. I know the basics but he seems like he has only one mission and that is to tear anything that Snyder does down. And I would love to understand why the Post continues to employ him.[/quote]

What it basically comes down too is a sports media movement since around 2000 where the media now considers themselves part of the the show. At the same time print has become old fashion. Add to the fact "sports" itself has moved from a multi-million dollar empire from the 80s to a multi-billion revenue machine. Combine these 3, it waters down everything, and the way to get notice is who can sling the most sh*t. Days of "reporting" is over. Mike Wise, Doyle, Sports Junkies, Skip Bayless, Stephen A Smith, Czabe, Kornhieser, Wilbon,Costas, DP, Yahoo's idiot squad, and (insert whoever you personally dont like), etc...[B]these guys [U]want[/U] to matter too you more than who they cover[/B]

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[url=http://www.buzzfeed.com/mbvd/colbert-report-ignites-outrage-with-deleted-asian-joke-tweet?bffb]"Colbert Report" Ignites Outrage With Deleted Asian Joke Tweet[/url]

Stephen Colbert made a satirical joke about the Snyder making this foundation but instead used Asians. Now everyone's losing their minds.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1065610]I am not going to post a link because Mike Wise articles ought to be banned from all creation, but a news feed app pulled his latest Snyder hatchet job about finding a native american woman who posted a selfie with a 10 dollar bill over her mouth. You can guess the rest of the article.

I really would like to know what exactly Snyder did to Wise. I know the basics but he seems like he has only one mission and that is to tear anything that Snyder does down. And I would love to understand why the Post continues to employ him.[/quote]

Perhaps it's not personal? Maybe it is because Snyder is terrible at his job? Is it possible that Snyder the owner has no redeeming qualities? Or maybe Wise just hates Jews?


It's really hard to guess why Wise dislikes him but if he is anything like me I would imagine he hates his guts for valid reasons....consistent failure, lack of leadership, constant "learning" from the past, price gouging fans, etc, etc, etc.

If Snyder was no longer the owner of the Redskins would you shed a tear, be indifferent, or celebrate?

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[quote=Skinzman;1065598]So you want them to lose the trademark, but not because you have a problem with the name, but because you hate Dan Snyder. Interesting...

If the team is rebranded, it will still be owned by Dan. Of all the reasons I have heard for changing the name, this is the first time I have heard loss of prestige of the Redskins brand due to not liking the owner.[/quote]

Hate is such a weak word...I'm fine with him owning a team with a name other than Redskins.

The name deserves to be treated with honor...put it to rest before its too late.

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[quote=saden1;1065652]Hate is such a weak word...I'm fine with him owning a team with a name other than Redskins.

The name deserves to be treated with honor...put it to rest before its too late.[/quote]

[quote=saden1;1065647]but if he is anything like me I would imagine he hates his guts for valid reasons.... [/quote]

Hate is such a weak word, but you are willing to say that you hate his guts. It may be a weak word, buts its the word you use.

It still boils down to if the name is changed, the team is still owned by Snyder. If you have no problem with the name Redskins, but your problem is with Snyder, then say that you want a new owner. Only rail against the name if you truly believe its racist.

Saying you want the name to change based on hating the owner is as flippant to me as Peter King, Bob Costas, Mike Wise, and the rest of the media all of a sudden taking up the cause due to it bringing in advertising dollars when they wouldnt touch the cause prior to it enhancing their own wallets. That means its not really their cause, just a money maker to them. Its nothing more than a hypocrite for hire scheme.

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[quote=saden1;1065647]Perhaps it's not personal? Maybe it is because Snyder is terrible at his job? Is it possible that Snyder the owner has no redeeming qualities? Or maybe Wise just hates Jews?


It's really hard to guess why Wise dislikes him but if he is anything like me I would imagine he hates his guts for valid reasons....consistent failure, lack of leadership, constant "learning" from the past, price gouging fans, etc, etc, etc.

[B]If Snyder was no longer the owner of the Redskins would you shed a tear, be indifferent, or celebrate?[/B][/quote]

me personally, first i would admit my bias, that I am an unabashed Snyder apologist. I think he royally screwed the pooch the first 5-6 years of ownership, and has been learning to get better over the past decade. Being an owner of an NFL team is not something you learn from other business ventures, and it certainly isn't something that is a natural fit for most people that make their living making lots of money.

With that said, my reaction if Snyder were no longer the owner would wholly depend on who the new owner was and how his first decade went. There are only 32 NFL owners in the whole world, and only maybe 1 or 2 that "get it right" in their first 10 years. Heck, JJ has 3 SB rings yet I would say that he hasn't gotten it right in the last 17.

In Snyder, we have an owner who is:
1) passionate about the team and it's history (positive)
2) willing to spend on players (positive)
3) has surrounded himself with questionable advisors mostly (negative but trending positive)
4) starstruck (negative trending neutral - RGIII will push him on this one)
5) cares about the players (ie ST funeral, at bedside when RGIII was in hospital, and more we don't know about) (positive)
6) makes considerable effort to help when causes are brought to him (Haiti airlift, Breast Cancer, Native American living conditions) (positive)


overall, I think he will be an outstanding owner, and it's a shame people seem to have stone age memories around him.

The Post has a significant contingent that does everything it can to defame Snyder (and he has given them his share of ammunition especially early on). C'est la vie.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1065644][url=http://www.buzzfeed.com/mbvd/colbert-report-ignites-outrage-with-deleted-asian-joke-tweet?bffb]"Colbert Report" Ignites Outrage With Deleted Asian Joke Tweet[/url]

Stephen Colbert made a satirical joke about the Snyder making this foundation but instead used Asians. Now everyone's losing their minds.[/quote]

Oh so everyone is in uproar about that joke nowwww? As a huge Colbert fan, that character/joke been around since like 2007. And that's not Colbert's twitter, Colberts twitter account is StephenAtHome. The account associated is run by Comedy Central and not even Colberts writers so....

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I thought the outrage wasn't about a tweet, but this......

[url=http://www.thewire.com/national/2014/03/colbert-report-joke-deemed-more-offensive-than-other-colbert-report-jokes/359765/]‘Colbert Report’ Joke Deemed More Offensive Than Other 'Colbert Report' Jokes - The Wire[/url]

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[quote=Mechanix544;1065659]I thought the outrage wasn't about a tweet, but this......

[url=http://www.thewire.com/national/2014/03/colbert-report-joke-deemed-more-offensive-than-other-colbert-report-jokes/359765/]‘Colbert Report’ Joke Deemed More Offensive Than Other 'Colbert Report' Jokes - The Wire[/url][/quote]

I think alot of people dont understand Colbert character or get the humor. Sum up pretty good by the last paragraph:

"Whether the joke was offensive or not is really up to personal taste, but the line isn’t particularly surprising. Colbert’s entire schtick is playing a more overt caricature of conservative talking heads, making their implicit racism explicit in what is now an extended, decade-long bit. That one line — when divorced from context — appeared to just be a racist quip possibly illustrates the point. It's cranking offensiveness up so far as to be inherently unbelievable. Again, react however you choose, but this sort of thing is Colbert’s bread and butter.."

but again, please continue to be offended, it means its working

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[quote=Dirtbag59;1065614] ...However at the same time I understand that while it may be a minority of people that are offended by the name [B]you have to at least respect and understand that[/B].

Even if its as small as 10% the fact of the matter is that[B] a key principle in this countries is at the very least respecting and hearing out the views of a minority opinion.[/B] Now if its hogwash like refusing to give your diabetic kid insulin because of certain religious beliefs then obviously its fair to quickly disregard that but in the case of something less tangible like the Redskins name I guess we've had a good run at least avoiding this discussion. ... [/quote]

The problem, of course, is twofold:

(1) The mere fact that you hold, and others share, an opinion does not mean it is reasonable. Further, unreasonable opinions [I]may[/I] be entitled to a respectful "hearing" if presented in a civil manner, but the opinion itself is not due any "respect" - [I]if [/I]by respect you mean some level of acceptance.

(2) Many people holding minority opinions seem to believe that they are only heard or respected if their opinions are accepted and acted upon by the majority.

By every poll taken, the vast majority of the Native American community does not take issue with Skins name. Those who do have been heard. Respectfully so. The minority is not, however, now entitled to have their opinions accepted or acted upon out of "respect".


"I have heard what you said and understand the basis for your opinion. Nonetheless, I disagree with it and, with all due respect to you as a person, I believe that (1)your opinion that cannibalism should be an acceptable societal norm is idiotic and barbaric and (2) you are wrong for holding that opinion. Further, the majority of people have the same opinion as I do and we will punish you if you try to eat any one.

The Native American who object have been heard, their arguments understood but simply not accepted by the majority of NA people, much less by the majority of non-NA people. Nothing more is required. Thank you. Period.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1065670]The problem, of course, is twofold:

(1) The mere fact that you hold, and others share, an opinion does not mean it is reasonable. Further, unreasonable opinions [I]may[/I] be entitled to a respectful "hearing" if presented in a civil manner, but the opinion itself is not due any "respect" - [I]if [/I]by respect you mean some level of acceptance.

(2) Many people holding minority opinions seem to believe that they are only heard or respected if their opinions are accepted and acted upon by the majority.

By every poll taken, the vast majority of the Native American community does not take issue with Skins name. Those who do have been heard. Respectfully so. The minority is not, however, now entitled to have their opinions accepted or acted upon out of "respect".


[B]"I have heard what you said and understand the basis for your opinion. Nonetheless, I disagree with it and, with all due respect to you as a person, I believe that (1)your opinion that cannibalism should be an acceptable societal norm is idiotic and barbaric and (2) you are wrong for holding that opinion. Further, the majority of people have the same opinion as I do and we will punish you if you try to eat any one.[/B]

The Native American who object have been heard, their arguments understood but simply not accepted by the majority of NA people, much less by the majority of non-NA people. Nothing more is required. Thank you. Period.[/quote]


Entertaining fallacious argument. Patent and Trademark Office is [URL="http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24402378/us-patent-and-trademark-deems-redskins-derogatory"]on the case[/URL] and when they are done the majority opinion will live on in purgatory.

I wonder if the little one will live up to "We'll never change [it]. It's that simple. NEVER -- you can use caps" once he loses the trademark.

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[quote=saden1;1065718]Entertaining fallacious argument. Patent and Trademark Office is [URL="http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24402378/us-patent-and-trademark-deems-redskins-derogatory"]on the case[/URL] and when they are done the majority opinion will live on in purgatory.

I wonder if the little one will live up to "We'll never change [it]. It's that simple. NEVER -- you can use caps" once he loses the trademark.[/quote]

I would imagine it's likely they will grandfather in the Redskins trademark. But even if the team did lose the Trademark on the name itself, they would file patents around the R, and a spear, and a thousand other ands that would make the effort to take the name away meaningless. You might be able to use knock off Redskins, but the color scheme can't be deemed offensive, so you couldn't use Burgundy and gold as part of your merchandise. The funny thing is, in this case denying the trademark would likely increase the usage of the term Redskins, as people try to make knock offs of the 'Skins gear.

FYI, they could easily trademark 'Skins.

In any case if they were to lose, an appeal would surely follow, and nothing would change till after that. if ever.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1065670]
I believe that (1)your opinion that cannibalism should be an acceptable societal norm is idiotic and barbaric and (2) you are wrong for holding that opinion. Further, the majority of people have the same opinion as I do and we will punish you if you try to eat any one.
[/quote]

Speak for yourself man.

j/k

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1065722]I would imagine it's likely they will grandfather in the Redskins trademark. But even if the team did lose the Trademark on the name itself, they would file patents around the R, and a spear, and a thousand other ands that would make the effort to take the name away meaningless. You might be able to use knock off Redskins, but the color scheme can't be deemed offensive, so you couldn't use Burgundy and gold as part of your merchandise. The funny thing is, in this case denying the trademark would likely increase the usage of the term Redskins, as people try to make knock offs of the 'Skins gear.

FYI, they could easily trademark 'Skins.

In any case if they were to lose, an appeal would surely follow, and nothing would change till after that. if ever.[/quote]

They could do all sorts of hackish things but is it worth it? Once the trademark is lost the ship will eventually rust and sink.


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[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLccCsTGNP4[/url]

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMbnzl7Fj6w[/url]


I still say if they all just ate a damn Mentos, everything would work itself out.

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[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9d6rnC0U4T8[/url]

Dan just needs to believe in "himsmelf"

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[quote=saden1;1065652]Hate is such a weak word...I'm fine with him owning a team with a name other than Redskins.

The name deserves to be treated with honor...put it to rest before its too late.[/quote]

Good God! Are we Europe on the eve of 1939? The name does deserve to be treated with honor. You don't do that by appeasing the wolves and leaving it to slaughter.

"We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender,"

Okay maybe that's a bit dramatic, but I want Snyder to do three things, keep his mits out of football decisions, write the checks, and keep the Redskins name. With CAPS if possible.

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[quote=saden1;1065718]Entertaining fallacious argument. Patent and Trademark Office is [URL="http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24402378/us-patent-and-trademark-deems-redskins-derogatory"]on the case[/URL] and [B]when they are done the majority opinion will live on in purgatory.[/B]

I wonder if the little one will live up to "We'll never change [it]. It's that simple. NEVER -- you can use caps" once he loses the trademark.[/quote]

As I said, in this age of political correctness where [I]tolerance[/I] of an opinion has morphed into a requirement for acceptance/approval of the opinion, [I]"the problem"[/I] is that a minority can impose their will upon a majority as the patent office and you comment that the "majority opinion will live on in purgatory" demonstrate.

So some govt. functionaries got their panties in bunch because someone, somewhere might be offended, that doesn't change the stupidity of their actions, the unreasonableness of their opinion and the correctness of my initial assertion.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1065795]As I said, in this age of political correctness where [I]tolerance[/I] of an opinion has morphed into a requirement for acceptance/approval of the opinion, [I]"the problem"[/I] is that a minority can impose their will upon a majority as the patent office and you comment that the "majority opinion will live on in purgatory" demonstrate.

So some govt. functionaries got their panties in bunch because someone, somewhere might be offended, that doesn't change the stupidity of their actions, the unreasonableness of their opinion and the correctness of my initial assertion.[/quote]

Political correctness? You're above such lowbrow dialog.

I oppose the rights of people to be derogatory, racist, sexist, and homophobic and I welcome the prospect of people airing their grievances and letting the courts/arbitrators decide. If this process doesn't appeal to you then I am afraid America is no longer for you.

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kind of a side track but i was sitting with my brother watching the Os game and we were talking sports and he said that he sees the skins changing their name in 3 years or so and he might not stay a washington dc football fan.

weird to think about changing teams but if the DS isnt going anywhere anytime soon and if someone just really hates what the DS has done and represents then ... i could see people choosing not to support the washington zards or whatever they will be called.

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[quote=over the mountain;1066513]kind of a side track but i was sitting with my brother watching the Os game and we were talking sports and he said that he sees the skins changing their name in 3 years or so and [B]he might not stay a washington dc football fan. [/B]weird to think about changing teams but if the DS isnt going anywhere anytime soon and if someone just really hates what the DS has done and represents then ... i could see people choosing not to support the washington zards or whatever they will be called.[/quote]

Sorry thats effing weak. Question why is he offended now? Strange that someone would be fan all this time of a racist, insensative franchise...