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At first I hated our draft, then I got on the computer and studied our draft choices and did some home work on them, I still hate all the picks except for Moses and Seastrunk. I keep hearing the Bashard guy is good, but he ran 4.6 at the combine and his pro day was no better. I even hate the undrafted players. Maybe this is a good sign(although I doubt it). I think we drafted well under Shannahan. Now it looks like we are doing dumb shit again.

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[quote=tc2deuce;1071885]----------its the 7th round[/quote]

True. And while some 7th round picks are ballers, such as Richard Crawford, most don't contribute at all. Also, in Jay's post-draft presser, he basically said that the Redskins were planning to add a rookie kicker to compete with Forbath, so they just took the cream of the crop with their last draft pick to avoid getting into a bidding war later with another team. So I've definitely started to feel better about the move.

Still though, it's unlikely Hocker will be able to unseat Forbath. And even if he can, it'd suck to put Forbath out on the street after finally finding a reliable kicker. The better move would be to find a punter who can also do kickoffs, IMO.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1071962]basically you are starting 3 rookies, I doubt it[/quote]

No, I am factually starting 2 rookies.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;1071968]At first I hated our draft, then I got on the computer and studied our draft choices and did some home work on them, I still hate all the picks except for Moses and Seastrunk. I keep hearing the Bashard guy is good, but he ran 4.6 at the combine and his pro day was no better. I even hate the undrafted players. Maybe this is a good sign(although I doubt it). I think we drafted well under Shannahan. Now it looks like we are doing dumb shit again.[/quote]

if he ran a 4.4 he wouldn't have been there in the 4th round. he'll never be better than a #3 CB or a safety, but if he's a cheap depth guy/ST guy, that's fine. you need those.

for quake, i bet LeRib is more likely to get cut than start. he's shown a whole lot of nothing. and long has a better shot at playing center than he does.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1071960]I think our day one OL ends up being:

LT Trent Williams
LG Shaun Luvavo
C Josh LeRebius (I think he beats out Litdhfengsifjgsteiger)
RG Spencer Long
RT Morgan Moses[/quote]

I think you and I may be two of the few people who think that LeRibeus can play. Still, after his weight and conditioning issues of last season, I don't trust his work ethic. I read that he is in better shape now but he probably has a steep hill to climb to gain the trust of the coaching staff.

Kory can play; he just may not be big enough to be more than the stop-gap at center.

I really can't envision two rookies on the right side to start the season.

Mike McGlynn could win a job at RG or center.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1071974]I think you and I may be two of the few people who think that LeRibeus can play. Still, after his weight and conditioning issues of last season, I don't trust his work ethic. I read that he is in better shape now but he probably has a steep hill to climb to gain the trust of the coaching staff.

Kory can play; he just may not be big enough to be more than the stop-gap at center.

I really can't envision two rookies on the right side to start the season.

Mike McGlynn could win a job at RG or center.[/quote]

I think Lerib can playalso,


LT - Williams
LG - Luvavo
C - Kory "Turn"stiger/ Lil' Rib
LG - Lil' Rib/ Gettis
RT - Moses/ Compton

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[quote=That Guy;1071972]if he ran a 4.4 he wouldn't have been there in the 4th round. he'll never be better than a #3 CB or a safety, but if he's a cheap depth guy/ST guy, that's fine. you need those.

for quake, i bet LeRib is more likely to get cut than start. he's shown a whole lot of nothing. and long has a better shot at playing center than he does.[/quote]

I am not expecting it from Ribshack, i just think he could pull it off.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;1071851]The reason they are not in love with Kia is he sucks at kickoffs and the result was horrific last year because of it.[/quote]Agree wholeheartedly. A kicker who cannot put the ball into the end zone is a huge liability on special teams. We need a guy who gets touchbacks most of the time, not returns to the 30 yard line and beyond.

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At first I wasn't too thrilled about this draft, however after taking some time to really think about it I like what we have done here.
We beefed up the O-Line, added a pass rusher, got a speed running back, A sure hand catcher, and secondary depth. Also remember none of these guys have been in a NFL weight room or used a NFL nutrition plan.

It's on our coaching staff to develop these guys, the talent and work ethic is there.

Trent Murphy- What I like about this pick is that he has what Rack doesn't... He knows how to use his hands and has multiple move to get to passer. He is was the hardest working player on the Stanford defense. It was also noted that he brings the "Nasty" attitude that you want to hear about.

Morgan Mosses- Many of us wanted him in the second round, getting him in the third is a value pick. Watching him in the Senior Bowl, he can be legit. Coaching him up to play like that all the time will be key. We may finally have our bookends tackles.

Spencer Long- Big, tough, physical, ornery blocker with starter-quality is what is written about him. I think we can use that on this line. Brings the "Nasty", I see spencer as a smarter, younger Incognito without all the PR crap. Future Starter

Bashaud Breeland- He could be the steal of the draft. Considered by many to be a late second round pick, when he bulks up in a NFL weight room, he could become the starter opposite Amerson. He reminds me of Antoine Winfield. A corner who likes to hit.

Ryan Grant- Although he had a week 40 time, he was the top performer in the 3 cone drill at the combine. That means he is quick in space, not straight line speed. His strengths are route running and catching the ball. Another player that needs a NFL workout routine and weight room. working with PG can make him into a superstar.

Lache Seastrunk- Another possible steal. Great compliment speed back. I think being back around RG3 will benefit him on and off the field.

The 2 seventh round picks are camp fodder. Overall good, possible great draft.

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I think this was a good draft overall. It's kinda hard to get worked up about a draft when you don't have a first round pick. I like the fact that we haven't done anything flashy during the draft and free agency (other than the D. Jax signing). It seems that in the past, whenever we've done a lot of flashy things in the offseason, they don't translate well into the regular season. I really like the fact that they've targeted hardworking and tough players.

It seems that in addition of bringing hardworking/tough/character players, the team has focused a lot on special team both in the draft and free agency. I'm fine with that, given how terrible the unit was last season (and it really hasn't been good before last year). While I hope that there are some gems in this draft that can become starters (I can see Moses being that), I would be fine with having solid contributors out of this crop of players (and I would like to see significant contribution from second year players as well).

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Hey does anybody know if spencer long is ready to play or is he still rehabbing the knee? Looked didn't see anything online

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[quote=diehardskin2982;1072009]At first I wasn't too thrilled about this draft, however after taking some time to really think about it I like what we have done here.
We beefed up the O-Line, added a pass rusher, got a speed running back, A sure hand catcher, and secondary depth. Also remember none of these guys have been in a NFL weight room or used a NFL nutrition plan.

It's on our coaching staff to develop these guys, the talent and work ethic is there.

Trent Murphy- What I like about this pick is that he has what Rack doesn't... He knows how to use his hands and has multiple move to get to passer. He is was the hardest working player on the Stanford defense. It was also noted that he brings the "Nasty" attitude that you want to hear about.

[B]Morgan Mosses- Many of us wanted him in the second round, getting him in the third is a value pick. Watching him in the Senior Bowl, he can be legit. Coaching him up to play like that all the time will be key. We may finally have our bookends tackles.[/B]

Spencer Long- Big, tough, physical, ornery blocker with starter-quality is what is written about him. I think we can use that on this line. Brings the "Nasty", I see spencer as a smarter, younger Incognito without all the PR crap. Future Starter

Bashaud Breeland- He could be the steal of the draft. Considered by many to be a late second round pick, when he bulks up in a NFL weight room, he could become the starter opposite Amerson. He reminds me of Antoine Winfield. A corner who likes to hit.

Ryan Grant- Although he had a week 40 time, he was the top performer in the 3 cone drill at the combine. That means he is quick in space, not straight line speed. His strengths are route running and catching the ball. Another player that needs a NFL workout routine and weight room. working with PG can make him into a superstar.

Lache Seastrunk- Another possible steal. Great compliment speed back. I think being back around RG3 will benefit him on and off the field.

The 2 seventh round picks are camp fodder. Overall good, possible great draft.[/quote]

I read that he gave up 2 sacks in 500+ pass attempts. I like that. Put his ass in at RT so Mr. Polumbus can back him up. lol. Great pick.

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[quote=Chico23231;1072014]Hey does anybody know if spencer long is ready to play or is he still rehabbing the knee? Looked didn't see anything online[/quote]

redskins staff said he's healthy right now... but RG3 was "healthy" last year, so...

he had an mcl/pcl from what i read and not an acl (which is worse), but i don't know the lag time between being healed and being back to 100% effective.

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^ give LeRib a year to prove that he can start.

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Does everyone think Chris Chester gets cut or something? And if so is it more because of cap or play?

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since no one else has proven they can play yet, ditching chester would be a cap move right now.

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Pretty sure Long said on the radio he is healthy.

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A meh draft. A little to work with, and a little gained.

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I keep thinking the last option is "meth"...I gotta watch less "Breaking Bad"

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[quote=SmootSmack;1072041]I keep thinking the last option is "meth"...I gotta watch less "Breaking Bad"[/quote]

That's funny.

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Glad it isn't just me ss....

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I think it depends on how much Trent Murphy, Morgan Moses, and Bashaud Breeland contributes this year. I like these picks, but I'm not patient enough or willing to wait 2-3 years for them to develop. They need to show at least some kind of promise. Spenser Long was a risky pick, but if they did their work then he should contribute as well this year.

If none of these 4 contribute this year, it was a failed draft.

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IMO this draft sends a message to all the bench warmers, you need to play ST in order to be a benchwarmer if you don't you will be warming your couch seat at home.

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Per Redskins SOP... We draft Hocker, he beats out Kobra Kai... We release Kobra Kai, he becomes a great kicker for another team.... Hocker kicks well for a few years, but we lose confidence and sign (insert Kicker) 2016... We release Hocker... Hocker becomes a great Kicker for another team as and then we sign/draft another Kicker in 2018....

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[quote=Fiversons;1072065]Per Redskins SOP... We draft Hocker, he beats out Kobra Kai... We release Kobra Kai, he becomes a great kicker for another team.... Hocker kicks well for a few years, but we lose confidence and sign (insert Kicker) 2016... We release Hocker... Hocker becomes a great Kicker for another team as and then we sign/draft another Kicker in 2018....[/quote]

ultimately field position is the objective of the game called football

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1072071]ultimately field position is the objective of the game called football[/quote]

NFL new kickoff rules could be coming soon.
[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/19/nfl-owners-will-vote-on-moving-kickoffs-to-the-40/]NFL owners will vote on moving kickoffs to the 40 | ProFootballTalk[/url]
[YT]zWU0avnXxBo[/YT]
At this rate they'll be able to randomly select fans to do kickoffs and still not worry about missing out on touchbacks.

On a side note let me back in the glory of me being right for 9th time in my life:

[quote=Dirtbag59;1071893]
[B]7(228)[/B] [B][COLOR="DarkRed"]Zach Hocker - K - Arkansas[/COLOR][/B] - [I][COLOR="navy"]Grade F[/COLOR][/I] - I know its a 7th round pick but it kind of feels like a waste. Ironically I wouldn't be surprised if he caught on somewhere else but yeah, [B]maybe they wanted competition for Kai in camp and thought they couldn't sign Hocker to a UDFA contract[/B].[/quote]

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2014/05/11/redskins-draft-jay-gruden-on-his-teams-selections/]Redskins draft: Jay Gruden on his team’s selections[/url]
[quote]“We got that extra pick in the seventh round and we had the extra pick and we felt good about the players that we drafted and we were [B]wanting to bring in a kicker to training camp to compete with Kai [Forbath]. And instead of getting into the bidding process with every team come free agency, we thought we’d just go ahead and take one[/B], the pick of the litter, so to speak.[/quote]

#Winning #WL9-288,959,036 #TigerBlood #MessNeed2CleanUpTigerBloodStains #DowneyFastActing

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[quote=Dirtbag59;1072072]NFL new kickoff rules could be coming soon.
[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/19/nfl-owners-will-vote-on-moving-kickoffs-to-the-40/]NFL owners will vote on moving kickoffs to the 40 | ProFootballTalk[/url]
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At this rate they'll be able to randomly select fans to do kickoffs and still not worry about missing out on touchbacks.

On a side note let me back in the glory of me being right for 9th time in my life:



[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/wp/2014/05/11/redskins-draft-jay-gruden-on-his-teams-selections/]Redskins draft: Jay Gruden on his team’s selections[/url]


#Winning #WL9-288,959,036 #TigerBlood #MessNeed2CleanUpTigerBloodStains #DowneyFastActing[/quote]

Good call, and I like that quote by Gruden. It sounds like a well reasoned strategy. Competition is good. Even if Kai beats him for the spot, that 7th rounder will result in a better kicker.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1072041]I keep thinking the last option is "meth"...I gotta watch less "Breaking Bad"[/quote]

I wonder what a "meth" draft would look like? Don't say this one.

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Nothing wrong with using a 7th rounder on a kicker. Looking at the numbers Kai definitely didn't have a good season. [URL="http://realredskins.com/2014/05/13/need-to-know-retooling-the-redskins-identity-and-other-nfl-draft-thoughts/"]24th in FG %, 30th in touchbacks, 32nd net kickoff avg.[/URL]

At the very least it sends a message and if the rookie beats him out so be it.

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[quote=Mattyk;1072094]Nothing wrong with using a 7th rounder on a kicker. Looking at the numbers Kai definitely didn't have a good season. [URL="http://realredskins.com/2014/05/13/need-to-know-retooling-the-redskins-identity-and-other-nfl-draft-thoughts/"]24th in FG %, 30th in touchbacks, 32nd net kickoff avg.[/URL]

At the very least it sends a message and if the rookie beats him out so be it.[/quote]

What's been a jay gruden mantra this offseason, special teams must improve. This should come as no surprise. I'd say bring in a udfa punter too.

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[quote=Mattyk;1072094]Nothing wrong with using a 7th rounder on a kicker. Looking at the numbers Kai definitely didn't have a good season. [URL="http://realredskins.com/2014/05/13/need-to-know-retooling-the-redskins-identity-and-other-nfl-draft-thoughts/"]24th in FG %, 30th in touchbacks, 32nd net kickoff avg.[/URL]

At the very least it sends a message and if the rookie beats him out so be it.[/quote]

i didn't realize it was that brutal for him last year.

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I actually liked this draft. I'm a believer that you should usually draft the best available player in the draft, since it's such a shot in the dark.

They easily could have just drafted the highest MLB or Safety to fit our needs, but they went after players who probably won't even start this year.

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Random factoid: only 13 players drafted in the first round of the 2009 NFL draft are still with their original teams and only 6 have made a pro bowl. Brian Orakpo is one of them.

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This draft pretty much meets my expectations I had coming into day one of the draft. I can't wait to see what Jay, Bruce, and company do next year when they have a first.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;1071893]I'll give this a shot.

[B]2 (47)[/B] [B][COLOR="DarkRed"]Trent Murphy - OLB - Stanford -[/COLOR][/B] [I][COLOR="Navy"]Grade B-[/COLOR][/I] - Really like the player, hate that we took him at this spot and at a position that actually has some depth. Might look a lot better next year if they can't resign Orakpo but still seems like a luxury pick. Hard to imagine him bulking up to much to play inside.

Apparently he came to the combine 10 pounds less then his listed playing weight so he might be a bit of a hard gainer.

[B]3(66)[/B] [B][COLOR="DarkRed"]Morgan Moses - OT - UVA[/COLOR][/B] - [I][COLOR="navy"]Grade A[/COLOR][/I] - Absolutely hate the game of chicken the front office played with the RT spot but it all worked out. Hopefully he can earn the starting job coming out of camp and will eventually become one of the leagues top bookend pairs along with Silverback.

[B]3(78)[/B] [B][COLOR="DarkRed"]Spencer Long - OG - Nebraska[/COLOR][/B] - [I][COLOR="navy"]Grade C[/COLOR][/I] - I would feel a lot better about this pick if he wasn't coming off season ending knee surgery. From the little I've seen he really looks like a solid player. Very nasty and hard working. Kind of wish they took him later but I wouldn't be surprised to see him starting in a couple years. I also wouldn't be surprised if they cut him in a couple years either.

[B]4(102)[/B] [B][COLOR="DarkRed"]Bashaud Breeland - CB - Clemson[/COLOR][/B] - [I][COLOR="navy"]Grade B+[/COLOR][/I] - I usually loathe CB's but Breeland doesn't seem to fit the stereotypical 'I don't feel like tackling' archetype for CB's. Seems to be very good at bump and run and as long as he's not asked to play on an island he should do really well. Also seems like he was good value for where he was picked.

[B]5(142)[/B] [B][COLOR="DarkRed"]Ryan Grant - WR - Tulane[/COLOR][/B] - [I][COLOR="navy"]Grade B[/COLOR][/I] - WR is a little crowded and I usually cringe at the idea of taking a WR however according to his reports he is excellent ball skills and runs crisp routes. Only knock seems to be he lacks big play speed. Regardless always a place in the league for guys that can catch and run good routes.

[B]6(186)[/B] [B][COLOR="DarkRed"]Lache Seastrunk - RB - Baylor[/COLOR][/B] - [I][COLOR="navy"]Grade B[/COLOR][/I] - For some reason I keep on think his name is Leon Sandcastle. Anyway love the agility and change of direction ability. Not sure if he'll make the team but should at least make the preseason more bearable.

[B]7(217)[/B] [B][COLOR="DarkRed"]Ted Bolser - TE - Indiana[/COLOR][/B] - [I][COLOR="navy"]Grade C-[/COLOR][/I] - Seems decent enough. I guess he could surprise but I'm not sure if he'll stick around. Kind of wish we got Jake Pedersen {TE Wisc}

[B]7(228)[/B] [B][COLOR="DarkRed"]Zach Hocker - K - Arkansas[/COLOR][/B] - [I][COLOR="navy"]Grade F[/COLOR][/I] - I know its a 7th round pick but it kind of feels like a waste. Ironically I wouldn't be surprised if he caught on somewhere else but yeah, maybe they wanted competition for Kai in camp and thought they couldn't sign Hocker to a UDFA contract.[/quote]


I hadn't posted my opinion because I wanted to wait for the best insight. Using the above, the gpa would be 2.5 and slightly above average. That might be about right, although I don't agree with a failing grade for the 7th round kicker.

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[quote=Bushead;1071854]I don't get how people split hairs about 6th and 7th round choices when they almost never make a difference. If you mention Alfred Morris, i'll research every 6th and 7th pick for the skins from the past 10 years.[/quote]i don't think dion bailey, or whoever the kicker was that we drafted, will have a successful nfl career.

why can't we sign a punter who can kickoff touchbacks?

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Im OK with our selections. Murphy looks like Triple H...nah Kane.. I dunno But anyway... I hope he pans out I really do.

I wanted Louchiez Purifoy.. fell because of some off field stuff. He went undrafted. Colts nabbed him we should have gotten a steal.

I think we got some value for no 1st rounder. We might have walked away with 3 or 4 impact guys I trust Gruden.

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We've had shitty kickers here for awhile.... gruden knows that.

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Breeland:“I want to improve my tackling technique and coverage, and I want to be a real coachable guy for my coaches. In any situation, I would want them to want to call my number or call my name.”

I love this pick already.

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The kicker would have been there to sign as an UFA. I know everyone here was high on Skov and I think that would have been the perfect pick for for us as a 7th rounder. It certainly fits a need. That was really my only issue. Never draft a kicker. However they seem comfortable at ILB after minicamp when no one has pads on. SMH...