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[quote=Paintrain;1078988][B]So generally speaking, I'm not sure how anyone who watched Cousins play in relief against Atlanta and Seattle as a rookie or in any of his starts last years can really consider that he's a better option at QB. He's played one good game (vs. Cleveland) and two good drives (vs. Baltimore) and otherwise has been mediocre. He's Rex Grossman 2.0 at best.
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While nobody has seen our new offense overall, to expect it to be a bland, straight dropback offense is as foolish as expecting it to be a 2012 RG3 centric offense. I'd expect it to be lots of movement off of the run game, playaction with drop back elements and limited read option. Against the Texans, probably no read option plays because Watt and Clowney are beasts off of the edge so don't play into the strength of them potentially hitting your QB. Against the Jags in week 2, they don't have much in terms of DL studs so we can run some read option plays and keep them on their toes.

Too many people are focused on RG3 being a perfect QB on opening day. I'm much more interested on how he will be on December 8th than September 8th.[/quote]

And you can judge this by 4 starts? He's hit his ceiling already?? Ok.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1078990]And you can judge this by 4 starts? He's hit his ceiling already?? Ok.[/QUOTE]


It's like judging RGIII on his 20 preseason throws.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1078990]And you can judge this by 4 starts? He's hit his ceiling already?? Ok.[/quote]

It's at least as wise as questioning if we should make a change based on one drive, one quarter and one half.

There's also a reason that Cousins was a 4th round pick and he's not generated much interest around the league.

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[quote=Mattyk;1078994]It's like judging RGIII on his 20 preseason throws.[/quote]

But that was different. 1 bad year coming off injury and 3 lackluster preseason starts mean that his career is shot.

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[quote=SirLK26;1078987]Ones like [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/will-robert-griffin-iii-help-or-hurt-the-next-washington-redskins-coach/2014/01/06/a7e3be02-771b-11e3-8963-b4b654bcc9b2_story.html"]this[/URL].

:laughing2[/quote]

Maybe I'm wrong but the reporter who wrote that article aren't they friends with MS.

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[quote=scowan;1078982]Ok so Devil's Advocate here, we all love the 2012 RG3 because of read-option and play action and misdirection and all the things that made RG3 a "force". NOW we can't play "2012 RG3 football" because he might get hurt. So we basically have to hamstring him and make him a pocket passer so he won't get hurt, but in all honestly maybe he is not an Andy Dalton pocket passer. So then what do you do? Cousins is a pocket passer. Yes he was playing with and against the 2nds but he looks good in an Andy Dalton offense.

[B]Here is what I think, I think we see 5-10 read options on Sunday September 7th, we see more bootlegs, we see quick screens. I hope what happens is Gruden takes a look at RG3 and asks him "tell me 10 plays you really like, and lets run those[/B]!"[/quote]

what i bolded is what i expect to see week 1. i also think what we saw against the browns will be his MO - quick hits and on longer pass plays if the 1st read isnt there his 2nd read is a dump down/safety valve. obviously i would love it if rg3 could go through progressions like peyton or brady but he is still learning and growing and isnt there yet. but he will be one day.

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Should we have a QB starter poll? RG3, Kirk, Colt, Tebow or bring back Colt Brennan

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[quote=Hijinx;1078983]My biggest concern is that to improve you have to know you need to improve. RG3's attitude has not been, "[I][U]I need to improve[/U][/I]", it has been "[I][U][I]I am great, but I am being held back by coaches, teammates, injury, haters, doubters, etc[/I][/U][/I]". Always excuses.

I just don't think he gets it.[/quote]

How do you know that's his attitude? I ask, because, I never really hear that in his answers, admittedly he doesn't speak in "I" terms either, but I think that comes from his dad's upbringing, there is no I in team so to speak. Speaking only to his work habits that have been reported, I think he absolutely looks at his mistakes and works to improve consistently.

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i see both sides of the "attitude" argument. i think there is enough there for both sides to make valid but subjective arguments .... at the end of the day, our record and his play will speak for itself.

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[quote=over the mountain;1079005]i see both sides of the "attitude" argument. i think there is enough there for both sides to make valid but subjective arguments .... [B][U]at the end of the day, our record and his play will speak for itself[/U][/B].[/quote]

DING DING DING, we have the winner!

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;1078998]Maybe I'm wrong but the reporter who wrote that article aren't they friends with MS.[/quote]

Sally Jenkins? I don't know. At times it almost seemed like [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/mike-shanahan-can-coach-football--who-knew/2012/12/18/6ee9cf1a-494f-11e2-820e-17eefac2f939_story.html"]she had a thing for him[/URL], but then she also wrote pieces [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/sally-jenkins-mike-shanahan-may-leave-but-the-redskins-problems-will-remain/2013/12/29/d8dd5ec8-70e5-11e3-9389-09ef9944065e_story.html"]like this[/URL]. I think she just loves the controversial and negative. Honestly, I think she could write an article demeaning Alfred Morris.

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[quote=Chico23231;1079000]Should we have a QB starter poll? RG3, Kirk, Colt, Tebow or bring back Colt Brennan[/quote]

I think Brennan's melon is damaged. Has anybody seen Scott Mitchel these days I saw him on the previews for this weight loss show last night he weighs like 400 lbs.

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[quote=Chico23231;1079000]Should we have a QB starter poll? RG3, Kirk, Colt, Tebow or bring back Colt Brennan[/quote]

None of the above.

JOHN BECK ftw.

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[quote=Lotus;1079012]None of the above.

JOHN BECK ftw.[/quote]

My vote is Heath Shuler but I hear he is making commercials these days.

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I'm more concerned about Chester and Polumbus than RG3.

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[quote=over the mountain;1079005]i see both sides of the "attitude" argument. i think there is enough there for both sides to make valid but subjective arguments .... at the end of the day, our record and his play will speak for itself.[/quote]

I don't see both sides! I think all that has been written about his supposedly bad attitude is just plain false. There is no evidence to back it up.

On the other hand, here is plenty of evidence to back up the fact that he has been working hard all off-season to improve his weaknesses.

I'm growing tired of people trashing RGIII's character. Questioning his performance is fair game. Questioning his character based on nothing more than possible misunderstandings of his comments is not fair.

To put it another way: This is bullshit!

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[quote=Ruhskins;1079015]I'm more concerned about Chester and Polumbus than RG3.[/quote]

preach

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[quote=over the mountain;1078999]what i bolded is what i expect to see week 1. i also think what we saw against the browns will be his MO - quick hits and on longer pass plays if the 1st read isnt there his 2nd read is a dump down/safety valve. obviously i would love it if rg3 could go through progressions like peyton or brady but he is still learning and growing and isnt there yet. but he will be one day.[/quote]

I'm thinking you could really take advantage of Clowney on some Read Option in Week 1. I don't know why I feel that way but I do. RG3 better learn how to slide this week. Can he skip a day of practice with the Redskins and go practice with the Nationals? At least pick up some winning attitude?

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[quote=Ruhskins;1079015]I'm more concerned about Chester and Polumbus than RG3.[/quote]

Did Polumbus even touch Dumervil on that one 3rd and long play?

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[quote=Mattyk;1078994]It's like judging RGIII on his 20 preseason throws.[/quote]

True but it was not just his throws that were concerning. It was his total lack of command of the basics. None of it matters until Sept. 7th. Hopefully he comes out ready to ball.

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[quote=over the mountain;1078999]what i bolded is what i expect to see week 1. i also think what we saw against the browns will be his MO - quick hits and on longer pass plays if the 1st read isnt there his 2nd read is a dump down/safety valve. obviously i would love it if rg3 could go through progressions like peyton or brady but he is still learning and growing and isnt there yet. but he will be one day.[/quote]

I'm thinking you could really take advantage of Clowney on some Read Option in Week 1. I don't know why I feel that way but I do. RG3 better learn how to slide this week. Can he skip a day of practice with the Redskins and go practice with the Nationals? At least pick up some winning attitude?

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1079021]Did Polumbus even touch Dumervil on that one 3rd and long play?[/QUOTE]
Nope. It took Dumervil about a second to get around Polumbus.

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Just remember that Chase Daniel had a great 2013 preseason (justsayin)

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Merriwether suspended for the first 2 games

Link coming

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[url=http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/redskins/2014/08/25/washington-safety-brandon-meriweather-suspended-2-games-for-illegal-hit/14588643/]Washington safety Brandon Meriweather suspended 2 games for illegal hit[/url]

Sigh. I give up.

Fuck you Goodell

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Total BS.

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Merriweather has to realize that he has to get his strike zone down around the waist and keep his head up. Until he does that then this is going to keep happening.

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Just buy the belts and flags already ffs......

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[quote=skinsfan69;1079047]Merriweather has to realize that he has to get his strike zone down around the waist and keep his head up. Until he does that then this is going to keep happening.[/quote]

The RB caused it by lowering his head at the last instant. Not Brandon's fault.

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#operationpossum is in full effect! Believe! Believe!


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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1079050]The RB caused it by lowering his head at the last instant. Not Brandon's fault.[/quote]

I agree but when heads collide he's not going to get the benefit of the doubt.

The hit Swerenger got on Welker was worse. Welker lowered HIS head and Swerenger hit him with his shoulder pad and still got flagged. These rules now have gotten so out of hand it's ridiculous. It's not even football anymore.

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Im surely not "panicking" robert is the best qb on this team. Period. As long as rgs here cousins is the BACKUP.

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Cousins is further along in the process than Robert is when it comes to reading defenses and going through the progressions. He's had four full years at college of training, watching film, and playing to get it down correct. Robert on the other hand ran a fast paced no huddle offense that wasn't based on reading defenses. Cousins generally makes the correct read, but his throws are inconsistent. His upside is nowhere close to what Robert could achieve if he masters the pro-style offense. He's still a long ways off from doing so.

This is why I generally am not in favor of drafting these types of QBs so high without at least sitting them on the bench for a couple years to learn. Throwing them out to sink or swim generally ends up in a sinking situation. Especially when they have little to no experience with a pro-style offense.

The one thing that makes me chuckle is the lack of patience with fans. Most of you guys would have been calling for the backup had you been San Diego fans back in 2003. That would have been Drew Brees third year in the league that finished up with 2,100 yards, 11TDs, and 15 INTs.

On the other coin, you have the fans trying to turn back to clock as if Robert is somehow a rookie. He's not. This is his third year in the league so stop making excuses. New offense? So what. Still his third year. I say Robert should get a pass this entire year and if he doesn't get it done, you open the position up to competition next off-season.


One thing that I think is problematic is Robert is a bit entitled due to his draft status and stellar 2012 year. He hasn't had to really earn it like he should be. Robert also needs to ditch social media and focus on becoming the best QB he can possibly be. He's listening to too much media and has started to respond to criticisms. That's not what I want from a starting QB. He can be fan friendly when he's become a complete QB.


[B]Please, don't let the below be the one thing you walk away from this post. If so, please smack yourself. Thanks.
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[/B]For the record, it doesn't matter how RGIII or any of the Rams selections turns out. They won that trade the moment it happened. There is no discussion to this because the value simply didn't add up, especially with a team that lacked so many pieces.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1079061]Cousins is further along in the process than Robert is when it comes to reading defenses and going through the progressions. He's had four full years at college of training, watching film, and playing to get it down correct. Robert on the other hand ran a fast paced no huddle offense that wasn't based on reading defenses. Cousins generally makes the correct read, but his throws are inconsistent. His upside is nowhere close to what Robert could achieve if he masters the pro-style offense. He's still a long ways off from doing so.

This is why I generally am not in favor of drafting these types of QBs so high without at least sitting them on the bench for a couple years to learn. Throwing them out to sink or swim generally ends up in a sinking situation. Especially when they have little to no experience with a pro-style offense.

The one thing that makes me chuckle is the lack of patience with fans. Most of you guys would have been calling for the backup had you been San Diego fans back in 2003. That would have been Drew Brees third year in the league that finished up with 2,100 yards, 11TDs, and 15 INTs.

On the other coin, you have the fans trying to turn back to clock as if Robert is somehow a rookie. He's not. This is his third year in the league so stop making excuses. New offense? So what. Still his third year. I say Robert should get a pass this entire year and if he doesn't get it done, you open the position up to competition next off-season.


One thing that I think is problematic is Robert is a bit entitled due to his draft status and stellar 2012 year. He hasn't had to really earn it like he should be. Robert also needs to ditch social media and focus on becoming the best QB he can possibly be. He's listening to too much media and has started to respond to criticisms. That's not what I want from a starting QB. He can be fan friendly when he's become a complete QB.

[B]For the record, it doesn't matter how RGIII or any of the Rams selections turns out. They won that trade the moment it happened. There is no discussion to this because the value simply didn't add up, especially with a team that lacked so many pieces.[/B][/quote]
In what possible world does this make sense? So based on this logic if, hypothetically, the Redskins go on to win 4 Super Bowls in RGIII's career and he becomes a Hall of Famer and the Rams continue to be, well, the Rams, then they still won the trade because they got better 'value'? Man I miss when football was football and not some bastardized version of calculus.

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[quote=Paintrain;1079065]In what possible world does this make sense? So based on this logic if, hypothetically, the Redskins go on to win 4 Super Bowls in RGIII's career and he becomes a Hall of Famer and the Rams continue to be, well, the Rams, then they still won the trade because they got better 'value'? Man I miss when football was football and not some bastardized version of calculus.[/quote]

Draft picks are pretty much like lottery tickets. It's all a gamble and I'm a numbers man. I don't think you'll EVER see another trade of that magnitude in the NFL again. I don't think anybody outside of us and the Browns would have made that move.

Also, one player isn't going to win you a Super Bowl on his own.

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St. Louis does not want Kirk, they want Sanchez.

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The people who are desperate to declare a winner in the RGIII trade just need to give up. Or at least those that want to declare St. Louis the "winner". The Rams haven't really drafted an impact player and mow they're staring at a season without a QB.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1079071]The people who are desperate to declare a winner in the RGIII trade just need to give up. Or at least those that want to declare St. Louis the "winner". The Rams haven't really drafted an impact player and mow they're staring at a season without a QB.[/quote]


This is exactly why I stated the "winner" is whoever walks away with the highest value at the time of the trade. Everything else is hindsight and it all depends on who's making those draft picks. Would we be saying the same if Ozzie Newsome was the one drafting or Pete Carroll? The picks are irrelevant because they may not be used to their fullest. At the time, the value for the move up was largely in favor of the Rams, and this is the only reason I stated a "winner".


Out of all that stuff I said, the trade bit is brought to focus more than all the other things I've said. Maybe I should go back and edit it out.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1079070]St. Louis does not want Kirk, they want Sanchez.[/quote]

Sanchez would be a horrible choice. They'd be better off with Colt McCoy than with Sanchez.

Do you think Ponder might be able to help them?

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[quote=NC_Skins;1079066]Draft picks are pretty much like lottery tickets. It's all a gamble and I'm a numbers man. I don't think you'll EVER see another trade of that magnitude in the NFL again. I don't think anybody outside of us and the Browns would have made that move.

[B]Also, one player isn't going to win you a Super Bowl on his own.[/B][/quote]

That is true. But it is also true that the lack of one player can keep you from winning a Super Bowl.