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[quote=tshile;1079406]a dc councilman was on ESPN980.

he trashed loudoun county as an option, which pretty much tells me that the rumors of it going there are probably right :)

he also refused to use the word Redskins, calling them The Washington Football team, but when asked about it said that the name change shouldn't be part of the discussion about relocating the team. He said it would "... take care of itself" down the road.

IE: They want the tax revenue and businesses that would come from it but want to take a stand against the supposedly racist nickname.

I hope to god DC or MD doesn't get the stadium. They don't deserve the economic boost (according to the dc councilman) nor the tax revenue.[/quote]


He actually said the word Redskins several times, but kept referring to the team as the Washington football team. It was weird. I've come to the conclusion that it's just not racist enough. Even guys like Simms, who won't say it, will condone someone sitting right next to him saying it over and over again. If he truly thought it was racist, he wouldn't tolerate a work environment where he was surrounded by it. Wake me up when he actually turns to his broadcast partner and calls him a racist to his face.

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[quote=mlmdub130;1079483]I'd like to see a 65k Max stadium. Keep it smaller and try and get some home field advantage again. Maybe design something along the lines of Seattle that is super acoustic. And the strongest wifi system imaginable.[/quote]

Agree on the capacity and 100% chance Snyder is demanding it be acoustically set up to be the loudest stadium in the league.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1079424]Last time I checked, taxpayer financing happens a lot in new NFL stadiums deals. I'm not for the practice, but a lot of people sound like this is the first time they've heard about it.[/quote]

And it Makes a lot of sense for a non-state like DC, which relies on citizens of Maryland and Virginia to come into the city to spend their hard earned dollars. 5 of the richest 10 counties in the country are within driving distance of DC. They will benefit from the disposal income from the surrounding suburbs.

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[quote=takethecake;1079404]I think the old RFK site is really the only option - all the other spots have significant drawbacks, and RFK just makes too much damn sense. As much as taxpayer financing upsets me (seriously, it's one of the more fucked things in our society), I'm sure it'll happen again here - especially when you have DC, MD & VA all competing for the new stadium. Of course, a move to DC would necessitate a name change - there's absolutely no getting around that - but I'm sure Snyder knows that and will leverage the name change for more gov't $. He knows it has to change eventually, he's just waiting for the biggest payday.

But all that aside, I feel like I actually might go to more than 1 game/season if it was in DC. It really just fucking sucks to go all the way out to Landover...metro access would be huge.[/quote]

Or maybe just a logo change. The word Redskin by itself is innocuous. I saw it on a menu just the other day and no one was outside with picket signs. I like the old yellow helmets anyway.

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[quote=saden1;1079403][yt]8bGNIgdOLa0[/yt][/quote]

Isn't DC a little different, since it doesn't reside within a state? It's a 10 x 10 square. Isn't DC somewhat dependent on residents of MD and VA? It would seem to me that 70K plus non-DC residents driving into DC to spend money would be a good thing.

The other stadiums cited in the video are in states where just about everyone attending the game already lives in the state in which the stadium resides. I guess NJ is the exception, but I imagine a lot of people attending Giants and Jets games live in NJ as well. Maybe I'm wrong.

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[quote=44Deezel;1079606]He actually said the word Redskins several times, but kept referring to the team as the Washington football team. It was weird. I've come to the conclusion that it's just not racist enough. Even guys like Simms, who won't say it, will condone someone sitting right next to him saying it over and over again. If he truly thought it was racist, he wouldn't tolerate a work environment where he was surrounded by it. Wake me up when he actually turns to his broadcast partner and calls him a racist to his face.[/quote]

I'm stealing this post, and using it for conversations I have about the name

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2014/08/14/gary-clark-says-if-native-americans-cared-about-the-redskins-name-they-would-march-on-washington/]Gary Clark says if Native Americans cared about the Redskins name they would march on Washington - The Washington Post[/url]
I thought I heard that GC was working with the Skins....Ehhrrr Redskins on the Name......thing

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[quote=44Deezel;1079612]Isn't DC a little different, since it doesn't reside within a state? It's a 10 x 10 square. Isn't DC somewhat dependent on residents of MD and VA? It would seem to me that 70K plus non-DC residents driving into DC to spend money would be a good thing.

The other stadiums cited in the video are in states where just about everyone attending the game already lives in the state in which the stadium resides. I guess NJ is the exception, but I imagine a lot of people attending Giants and Jets games live in NJ as well. Maybe I'm wrong.[/quote]

1. I really doesn't matter where the stadium is (NY and NJ said no to public financing). There are finite number of seasonal jobs created and the tax revenue received from these job and the sale of any goods is insufficient to cover the amount of money taxpayers cough up before teams ask for a new stadium.

2. If the baseball team gets a stadium the football team will ask for one and vice verse. When owners ask for a new stadium it essentially amounts to asking for a ransom...Pay us or we will move and find someone else to pay us....I don't know about you but the idea of paying a ransom doesn't appeal to me, especially if I am not getting my money's worth.

3. People don't spend more money to go to games, they shift that money from other things like going out to dinner or the movies. This means the state isn't receiving tax revenue from these other businesses.

4. Studies after studies have shown the only people a new stadiums makes money for are the people building it, playing in it and team owners.

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[quote=saden1;1079656]1. I really doesn't matter where the stadium is (NY and NJ said no to public financing). There are finite number of seasonal jobs created and the tax revenue received from these job and the sale of any goods is insufficient to cover the amount of money taxpayers cough up before teams ask for a new stadium.

2. If the baseball team gets a stadium the football team will ask for one and vice verse. When owners ask for a new stadium it essentially amounts to asking for a ransom...Pay us or we will move and find someone else to pay us....I don't know about you but the idea of paying a ransom doesn't appeal to me, especially if I am not getting my money's worth.

3. People don't spend more money to go to games, they shift that money from other things like going out to dinner or the movies. This means the state isn't receiving tax revenue from these other businesses.

4. Studies after studies have shown the only people a new stadiums makes money for are the people building it, playing in it and team owners.[/quote]



You're right and wrong .


Baseball has nothing to do with Football stadiums ,it didn't in NY/NJ.



AS for # 3 you are 100% dead wrong ,have you been to a parking lot at Fed Ex ,have you seen what these people spend on tailgating ???People who buy season tickets have the money or figure a way ...maybe sell a game or two or go in as a whole family (as we did in NY,7 of us) .You make it sound like people will starve first to see a game and it's just not so .

#4) Again you are wrong ,if you have a good stadium and a good marketing team they can make money .Scroll down and see ,NJ makes money at Met Life ![url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MetLife_Stadium]MetLife Stadium - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1079372]I think it's going in NVA also. Not sure where but somewhere inside the 495 loop.

As for capacity, please, he is going to cram every seat he can in there. I would be surprised if it is less than 80K. Just b/c it would have a high capacity does not mean it has to be bad. FedEx is just a giant bowl - not much creativity in design. A little creative design work could enhance the experience and home field advantage even if the stadium has a high capacity.

Oh, and it will have a roof. Danny wants his Super Bowl.[/quote]

I cant think of anywhere in NOVA inside the Beltway that has enough space to handle a stadium let alone adding in the parking lots. IMO if this stadium is built in NOVA its either going to be out near Redskins Park or somewhere down near Stafford or Fredericksburg.

In the end the place it really belongs is on the old RFK site but I dont see that happening easily especially with (I hate to even say it) the name controversy going on.

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The stupid politicians in the District of Columbia have once again put themselves in a bad position. Somehow, they felt the need to excoriate Dan Snyder over the "racist" name of his football team when they didn't need to say anything at all about it. They did it to enhance their liberal credentials, I assume. Now they find out that Snyder is looking to build a new stadium and they want it in D.C. Whoops!

What to do? It seems that they'd be willing to have an undeclared moratorium on protesting the Redskins name until the stadium contract is signed and the team is headed back to D.C. I suppose they think that once they get the deal signed they can jump right back on the name controversy bandwagon so they won't look like the hypocrites they actually are.

Wrong! Dan Snyder is not as stupid as they are. The D.C. politicians are going to have to agree to some sort of tacit, if not contractual, acceptance of the Redskins name in order to get the stadium deal.

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[quote=Giantone;1079433]Not for the Met Life Stadium in NJ .


[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MetLife_Stadium]MetLife Stadium - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]


[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2391829]Giants, Jets revise billion-dollar stadium plan - NFL - ESPN[/url][/quote]Well, sort of.

[URL="http://www.wnyc.org/story/will-super-bowl-allow-new-jersey-recoup-money-spent-metlife-stadium/"]Questions remain over whether the benefits of hosting the Super Bowl outweigh the costs. The New York Times' Charles Bagli took a look at the numbers for an article in Friday's paper. He reports that the stadium cost $1.6 billion to build, and although it was privately financed, New Jersey taxpayers did foot the bill for about $250 million in transportation and infrastructure improvements.[/URL]

I know when municipalities annex areas, the homeowners in that area have to pay for the cost of utilities being run along their yards, to their neighborhood, even if they don't use them. The MetLife Giants/Jets stadium did get a pass on that.

Re: New Stadium for the Redskins being planned . . .
 

[quote=KI Skins Fan;1079954]The stupid politicians in the District of Columbia have once again put themselves in a bad position. Somehow, they felt the need to excoriate Dan Snyder over the "racist" name of his football team when they didn't need to say anything at all about it. They did it to enhance their liberal credentials, I assume. Now they find out that Snyder is looking to build a new stadium and they want it in D.C. Whoops!

What to do? It seems that they'd be willing to have an undeclared moratorium on protesting the Redskins name until the stadium contract is signed and the team is headed back to D.C. I suppose they think that once they get the deal signed they can jump right back on the name controversy bandwagon so they won't look like the hypocrites they actually are.

Wrong! Dan Snyder is not as stupid as they are. The D.C. politicians are going to have to agree to some sort of tacit, if not contractual, acceptance of the Redskins name in order to get the stadium deal.[/quote]

I would bet, not much cause I don't have much to lose :), that if it came down to elections, and one candidate was running on bringing the Redskins, name and all, to the RFK site, and one candidate was running on the name change issue, barring any other obvious fatal flaws in either candidate, that the one who promised to get the Skins back would win the vote by a wide margin.

In fact it might be a way to bring the name issue to resolution, because both sides would probably be out in force, and if the DC electorate went one way or the other, it would give the politicians, media, and others a definitive outcome to hang their hat on.

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I would like to see Snyder build the stadium in NVA, and specifically call out the anti-Redskin PC crowd when he does so.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1079965]I would like to see Snyder build the stadium in NVA, and specifically call out the anti-Redskin PC crowd when he does so.[/quote]

What does the name issue have to do with Northern VA?

I hope they build the stadium in DC. Both No. VA and Maryland are terrible locations due to the horrible traffic.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1079966]What does the name issue have to do with Northern VA?

I hope they build the stadium in DC. Both No. VA and Maryland are terrible locations due to the horrible traffic.[/quote]

Out of curiosity, how exactly does horrible traffic make Md. and Va. terrible locations, but horrible traffic somehow counts as a plus for DC.?

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[quote=Ruhskins;1079966]What does the name issue have to do with Northern VA?

I hope they build the stadium in DC. Both No. VA and Maryland are terrible locations due to the horrible traffic.[/quote]Thought it was clear I was talking about the PC crowd in DC, specifically elected leaders there. The onus should be on them if the new stadium isn't built in DC.

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[quote=Skinzman;1079969]Out of curiosity, how exactly does horrible traffic make Md. and Va. terrible locations, but horrible traffic somehow counts as a plus for DC.?[/quote]

I think Beltway traffic in Maryland and No. VA is the worst. I would imagine having the stadium in DC would likely mean more public transportation options compared to MD or No. VA.

[quote=HailGreen28;1079971]Thought it was clear I was talking about the PC crowd in DC, specifically elected leaders there. The onus should be on them if the new stadium isn't built in DC.[/quote]

Last time I checked, No. VA is pretty liberal too.

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[quote=Giantone;1079669]#4) Again you are wrong ,if you have a good stadium and a good marketing team they can make money .Scroll down and see ,NJ makes money at Met Life ![url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MetLife_Stadium]MetLife Stadium - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url][/quote]


I'm sorry. Exactly where in that link does it show NJ makes money from the stadium? Have you got a breakdown between the costs of maintenance vs the income they receive?

If you are pointing to the concerts as the revenue, I have to remind you that it's the artists/performer who nets most of that money, not the venue.

I'm almost 100% sure that NJ lost money during the Super Bowl.


[url=http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-05/in-stadium-building-spree-u-s-taxpayers-lose-4-billion.html]In Stadium Building Spree, U.S. Taxpayers Lose $4 Billion - Bloomberg[/url]

As per norm, Giantone doesn't know what he's talking about. Most cities lose out with new stadiums. The studies have been done.


I can post many articles and reports saying the same thing. It's all contradictory to what the NFL promises.

[url]http://web.williams.edu/Economics/wp/mathesonSuperbowl.pdf[/url]

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[quote=Ruhskins;1079972]I think Beltway traffic in Maryland and No. VA is the worst. I would imagine having the stadium in DC would likely mean more public transportation options compared to MD or No. VA.[/quote]

But those public transportation options for DC tend to begin in Va. and Md. due to the amount of people from both states that work in DC. It also only matters if the public is willing to use public transportation as its main source of getting there. People who can afford the cost of season tickets tend to want to drive themselves and not be caught up in waiting for a train that only runs at certain times. While I did not go to a lot of games at RFK, I did go to a few, and traffic was terrible. With much less people attending than would now in a stadium that will hold probably 25-30k more people than RFK did. Also, Most of the people that attend RFK are usually on the beltway at some point of the drive.


[quote=Ruhskins;1079972]Last time I checked, No. VA is pretty liberal too.[/quote]

While this is true, the majority of Va. state politicians, who have spoken on the subject, have come out in favor of keeping the name regardless of what side of the aisle they are on.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1079972]
Last time I checked, No. VA is pretty liberal too.[/quote]

right but leaders in DC and MD are publicly calling for the name to change.

meanwhile the democrat governor of VA (considered by many to be very liberal) said, publicly, that it wasn't his place to take a stance on the issue, his job has other responsibilities.

of the 3 localities VA has far and away supported the team more than the others.

there are political leaders in DC that have implied the redskins would HAVE to change their name to move back into DC or to rebuild at the RFK site.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1079973]I'm sorry. Exactly where in that link does it show NJ makes money from the stadium? Have you got a breakdown between the costs of maintenance vs the income they receive?

If you are pointing to the concerts as the revenue, I have to remind you that it's the artists/performer who nets most of that money, not the venue.

I'm almost 100% sure that NJ lost money during the Super Bowl.


[url=http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-05/in-stadium-building-spree-u-s-taxpayers-lose-4-billion.html]In Stadium Building Spree, U.S. Taxpayers Lose $4 Billion - Bloomberg[/url]

As per norm, Giantone doesn't know what he's talking about. Most cities lose out with new stadiums. The studies have been done.


I can post many articles and reports saying the same thing. It's all contradictory to what the NFL promises.

[url]http://web.williams.edu/Economics/wp/mathesonSuperbowl.pdf[/url][/quote]


AS I pointed out NY/NY didn't I did not say all and as always you are getting things mixed up again ,we were talking about financing the stadiums not infrastructure and up in NY/NJ it was the NY/NJ Metropolitan stadium authority that was responsible for the infrastructure .AS for making money the statement was made that the only people making money on New Stadiums were the" owners,builders and players" and I said that wasn't and still isn't true now I'll admit it might not be in the billions but NY/NJ MSA is making some money off the concerts and other events ,who do you think gets the parking money ?I guess you think that the restaurants bars and hotels made no money during the Superbowl that they additional traffic doesn't pay tolls on the turnpike ???

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[quote=NC_Skins;1079973]I'm sorry.


[url=http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-05/in-stadium-building-spree-u-s-taxpayers-lose-4-billion.html]In Stadium Building Spree, U.S. Taxpayers Lose $4 Billion - Bloomberg[/url]

As per norm, Giantone doesn't know what he's talking about. Most cities lose out with new stadiums. The studies have been done.

[/quote]

At what point did I say "all stadiums built" , your link is talking about over all including baseball and soccer . Not Met Life in NJ, show me that article where the taxpayers paid for that stadium and then you would be right ...but you are not, as always .

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[quote=tshile;1079975]right but leaders in DC and MD are publicly calling for the name to change.

meanwhile the democrat governor of VA (considered by many to be very liberal) said, publicly, that it wasn't his place to take a stance on the issue, his job has other responsibilities.

of the 3 localities VA has far and away supported the team more than the others.

there are political leaders in DC that have implied the redskins would HAVE to change their name to move back into DC or to rebuild at the RFK site.[/quote]

The governor may be liberal, but he was smart to sidestep the issue. On the other hand...

Re: New Stadium for the Redskins being planned . . .
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;1079962]I would bet, not much cause I don't have much to lose :), that if it came down to elections, and one candidate was running on bringing the Redskins, name and all, to the RFK site, and one candidate was running on the name change issue, barring any other obvious fatal flaws in either candidate, that the one who promised to get the Skins back would win the vote by a wide margin.

In fact it might be a way to bring the name issue to resolution, because both sides would probably be out in force, and if the DC electorate went one way or the other, it would give the politicians, media, and others a definitive outcome to hang their hat on.[/quote]

If this was the early 90's or even 2000 you might be right. D.C. has been gentrified. It's full of yuppie transplants and gay folks. I would imagine paying for a stadium and bringing the Redskins to town isn't high on their priority list.

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[quote=Giantone;1079989]At what point did I say "all stadiums built" , your link is talking about over all including baseball and soccer . Not Met Life in NJ, show me that article where the taxpayers paid for that stadium and then you would be right ...but you are not, as always .[/quote]

Just like FedEx-physical stadium privately financed, surrounding infrastructure funded by taxpayers

Re: New Stadium for the Redskins being planned . . .
 

[quote=NC_Skins;1079973]I'm sorry. Exactly where in that link does it show NJ makes money from the stadium? Have you got a breakdown between the costs of maintenance vs the income they receive?

If you are pointing to the concerts as the revenue, I have to remind you that it's the artists/performer who nets most of that money, not the venue.

I'm almost 100% sure that NJ lost money during the Super Bowl.


[url=http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-05/in-stadium-building-spree-u-s-taxpayers-lose-4-billion.html]In Stadium Building Spree, U.S. Taxpayers Lose $4 Billion - Bloomberg[/url]

[B]As per norm, Giantone doesn't know what he's talking about.[/B] Most cities lose out with new stadiums. The studies have been done.


I can post many articles and reports saying the same thing. It's all contradictory to what the NFL promises.

[url]http://web.williams.edu/Economics/wp/mathesonSuperbowl.pdf[/url][/quote]

It's pretty hard to argue with his tight logic.

In our world if you have 500 dollars to spend and you spend it all on tailgating you aren't going to spend it at the local restaurant. In Giantone's world people don't have finite discretionary income and you don't have to make an either/or decisions.

In our world when the billionaire baseball owner threatens to leave town unless the public finance his new stadium the billionaire football owner is likely to ask for the same deal. In Giantone's world baseball and football have nothing to do with each other.

In our world the stadiums mostly generate seasonally low wage jobs and the tax payer never recoups the money they put in to building it. In Giantone's world everyone makes money and that's that.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1080013]Just like FedEx-physical stadium privately financed, surrounding infrastructure funded by taxpayers[/quote]



Exactly!!!

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[quote=SmootSmack;1080013]Just like FedEx-physical stadium privately financed, surrounding infrastructure funded by taxpayers[/quote]


Cook paid 180 million and the tax payer paid 70 million. What infrastructure did tax payers pay for exactly? The road to enter and exit the stadium? Or perhaps I missed all the hip go-to spots near the stadium.

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[quote=saden1;1080021]Cook paid 180 million and the tax payer paid 70 million. What infrastructure did tax payers pay for exactly? The road to enter and exit the stadium? Or perhaps I missed all the hip go-to spots near the stadium.[/quote]Pretty clear that you have never been to Fed Ex ,good night .

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[quote=saden1;1080014]It's pretty hard to argue with his tight logic.

In our world if you have 500 dollars to spend and you spend it all on tailgating you aren't going to spend it at the local restaurant. In Giantone's world people don't have finite discretionary income and you don't have to make an either/or decisions.

In our world when the billionaire baseball owner threatens to leave town unless the public finance his new stadium the billionaire football owner is likely to ask for the same deal. In Giantone's world baseball and football have nothing to do with each other. .[/quote]


Can you read at all ????

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[quote=saden1;1080021]Cook paid 180 million and the tax payer paid 70 million. What infrastructure did tax payers pay for exactly? The road to enter and exit the stadium? Or perhaps I missed all the hip go-to spots near the stadium.[/quote]

That's a good question. I would like to see exactly what roads and other infrastructure that was built.

[quote]Cooke agreed to build the stadium contingent on the terms that the city would assume responsibility for the infrastructure and parking. - See more at: [url=http://www.stadiumsofprofootball.com/nfc/FedExField.htm#sthash.ym3Z1457.dpuf]FedEx Field, Washington Redskins football stadium - Stadiums of Pro Football[/url][/quote]

According to this, they had to pay for the parking. Does the county get parking fees or do they go to Danny? If the fees go to Danny, I have a huge problem with this.


Also, it looks like parking prices have gone up.

[url=http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/26230865/redskins-parking-fees-at-fedexfield-skyrocket]Redskins parking fees at FedExField skyrocket - DC News FOX 5 DC WTTG[/url]

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[quote=Giantone;1080032]Pretty clear that you have never been to Fed Ex ,good night .[/quote]

Really? I am pretty sure one of the reasons I wouldn't help Snyder if he was on fire is because he sold me obstructed view tickets. He didn't even have the decency to put big screen TVs in front of those seats to compensate. I hope that mofo combust one of these days.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1080043]That's a good question. I would like to see exactly what roads and other infrastructure that was built.



According to this, they had to pay for the parking. Does the county get parking fees or do they go to Danny? If the fees go to Danny, I have a huge problem with this.


Also, it looks like parking prices have gone up.

[url=http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/26230865/redskins-parking-fees-at-fedexfield-skyrocket]Redskins parking fees at FedExField skyrocket - DC News FOX 5 DC WTTG[/url][/quote]

LOL...what a deal.

Well, besides fedex parking he has full monopoly on the church and businesses next door. I remember parking a mile away in an office complex and still having to pay 30 dollars.

Re: New Stadium for the Redskins being planned . . .
 

[quote=Giantone;1080033]Can you read at all ????[/quote]

I read you signature and I found your posts wanting.

Re: New Stadium for the Redskins being planned . . .
 

[quote=saden1;1080021]Cook paid 180 million and the tax payer paid 70 million. What infrastructure did tax payers pay for exactly? The road to enter and exit the stadium? Or perhaps I missed all the hip go-to spots near the stadium.[/quote]

land, roads, power lines, sewer services. I don't think I ever said it was an equal amount of money paid by Cooke and his investors and the taxpayers

Re: New Stadium for the Redskins being planned . . .
 

[quote=SmootSmack;1080102]land, roads, power lines, sewer services. I don't think I ever said it was an equal amount of money paid by Cooke and his investors and the taxpayers[/quote]

I sated the facts and inquired about what tax payers got for their money. From the looks of it, not much. I would think the billionaire building his dream stadium should be on the hook for buying the land, building roads around it to make sure it's not a traffic nightmare, works out a deal with the power and sewer company to bring power sewer service to a stadium in the middle of nowhere.

Then again, if Paul Allen can get tax payers to pay 200 of the 300 million it took to build CenturyLink field the problem isn't the billionaire, it's the people and the politicians they elect.

Re: New Stadium for the Redskins being planned . . .
 

[quote=saden1;1080116]I sated the facts and inquired about what tax payers got for their money. From the looks of it, not much. I would think the billionaire building his dream stadium should be on the hook for buying the land, building roads around it to make sure it's not a traffic nightmare, works out a deal with the power and sewer company to bring power sewer service to a stadium in the middle of nowhere.

Then again, if Paul Allen can get tax payers to pay 200 of the 300 million it took to build CenturyLink field the problem isn't the billionaire, it's the people and the politicians they elect.[/quote]

Its been shown over and over again by study after study that these stadiums dont provide the benefit they say they will for the locality where they are built.

When I lived in Pgh back in the 90s and they wanted to replace 3 Rivers with what is now PNC Park and Heinz Field they held a public referendum in the city and surrounding counties on whether to raise taxes to build these stadiums. The vote came in 2 to 1 to not raise taxes. The city and counties quickly went to what they called Plan B which was Plan A (raise taxes for the stadiums) without the referendum. These taxpayer funded stadiums are a joke and there's no way I'd ever vote to give any of these free-loaders any money for a stadium when there are so many other pressing problems. If they say they will leave then I'd thank them for their time in the city and wish them well.

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PG County gets a 10% amusement tax on every ticket to every event in the stadium.

They get their own tax on sales of certain items too.

Have you done the math on that over 30 years? That's how long the lease is for, and you can bet any buyout of the contract is going to include covering that cost (regardless of who pays it.)

You guy sthink the money PG county put down for the stadium is a lot?

Run the numbers on the tax revenue they get just from football games. Then try to roughly guess how much they get from college games, concerts, and whatever else they host there ever year. Then multiply it by 30.

Re: New Stadium for the Redskins being planned . . .
 

[quote=tshile;1080125]PG County gets a 10% amusement tax on every ticket to every event in the stadium.

They get their own tax on sales of certain items too.

Have you done the math on that over 30 years? That's how long the lease is for, and you can bet any buyout of the contract is going to include covering that cost (regardless of who pays it.)

You guy sthink the money PG county put down for the stadium is a lot?

Run the numbers on the tax revenue they get just from football games. Then try to roughly guess how much they get from college games, concerts, and whatever else they host there ever year. Then multiply it by 30.[/quote]



You forgot the biggest detail of all. You forgot to subtract expenses (initial and reoccurring). Add up all the expenses on fire/rescue/police/road maintenance/ stadium maintenance/ etc... and subtract it from the revenue.